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There, going back to i think its called celtx secular normalization im all for a secular gang. Thank you all for being here and thank you for spending part of your day with us. Lets see it right back here next week hello everyone and welcome to the amanpour, hour. Heres where were headed this week the clandestine conflict between iran and israel erupts into the open could it get any worse my intel briefing from britains former spy chief said john sores, we need to recognize that this shadow war between israel, iran has going on for a good number of years now. Also this out, this looks like something youd see out of hitlers germany why are maga Republicans Parroting plutons propaganda . Its so outlandish. Its so wrong. And in many ways, then check president petra pawel wounds the United States that are lost for ukraine means a loss for the whole of europe and us assistance who has helped to Ukraine Cannot be replaced. Also this hour, the ukrainian maestro at the met on unity through music, fighting for the freedom makes us to feel Everything Deepa, ever sink more emotionally. Plus y an election in india is so crucial to americas relationship with china. And from my archive, the nuclear deal, trump and netanyahu pulled out of that heightens the day singer in the middle east today welcome to the program, everyone, im christiana one poor in london, and we begin with the wider war that nobody wants the United States has not been involved in any offensive operations what were focused on, what the g7 is focused on. And again, its reflected in our statement and in our conversation is our work to deescalate tensions after being warned by its allies to avoid further escalation, the us says, israel carried out a strike inside iran on friday iran downplayed the impact of what appears to be a fairly limited strike after its air defenses intercepted three drones with no reports of a Missile Attack. And iranian official told reuters there was no plan to respond at this point. All this came less than a week after iran launched an unprecedented attack on israel in response to a strike on its Embassy Compound in syria former israeli general tommy or hyman, who once was head of intelligence for the idf, told me israel had miscalculated on both hamas and iran i think the intelligent they idf intelligence was wrong in the october for not detecting the hamas intention and it was wrong about assuming what will be the iranian response. Those are two mistakes, no doubt about it with israel and he runs decades as long shadow war now playing out in the open. The rules of the game in the middle east are being rewritten. I spoke with britains former top spy about the situation just before fridays strike. So john suarez, welcome back to our program. Thank you very much, chris, here what do you think at the end of this very, very tense week, josep borrell, as all the leaders are meeting to try to figure out in europe and whats happening has said that we are on the edge of a cliff. Do you agree . I think id maybe slightly overstating it is a very tense time at the moment after the israeli strike in damascus and the very heavy iranian response, we need to bear in mind that iranian response was a failure therell be disappointed in tehran that a tiny fraction only of their a barrage of missiles and drones only a very few got through. I didnt really cause any damage at all to israel. I think Prime Minister netanyahu is feeling pretty comfortable at the moment just two or three weeks ago we were all talking about the disasters in gaza, the failure of the relative thats a failure of the israeli offensive. There and the bombing of the humanitarian convoy. Hes changed the subject. So what do you think is a manageable next step if there is such a thing, first of all, we need to recognize that this shadow war between israel, iran has been going on for a good number of years now the latest round of this was the israeli strike in damascus, which took a lot of people by surprise, including the United States administration. I think it shot the iranians as well because it was a sort of escalation to attack a designated diplomatic building, even though it was being used as a headquarters the revolutionary yards, i think israel made a strategic misjudgment. They thought they could live alongside a hamascontrolled gaza seven october demonstrated they could not, while theyre living alongside a hizballah controlled lebanon theyre living alongside popping iranian controlled syria, but a syria in which iran has a substantial foothold now, i dont think the Israeli Security chiefs, the people i used to work there mossad and shin bet and so on will be ready to tolerate this indefinitely and theyll say, if not, now, then when. But i think the politics point to a gradual step forward rather than a major escalation. And i just wonder your Security Interlocutors over the years, many of them have publicly said that actually israels most existential threat is the continued lack of a political resolution that would bring security between israel and the palestinian. Do you think now is you look at this morass that theyre in in gaza that that option is still on the table for for israel, there has to be an option for a political solution. There was a Common Ground between Prime Minister netanyahu and hamas in that neither wanted a twoState Solution. They both wanted a one State Solution. But hamas wanted one State Solution with no israel. And israel wanted a one State Solution, but no palestinians and i think either course is a recipe for really serious problems. So we gotta get back to the concept of a twoState Solution. I think it is conceivable. It is possible to get there so that has to be addressed. But israel does have to also address its direct security is security demands you say theres general is saying you have to finish the job in gaza. Im not so sure about that, actually, i think israel succeeded in reducing gaza to rubble. That a success. It will exactly. Thats not exactly a success. They havent secured the release of the remaining hostages were still live. They havent killed the hamas commanders. Theyve caused no mass mountains, humanitarian suffering. Frankly, i think from the israeli point of view, they can change the subject. They can switch to iran and hizballah and just call it a day in a really in gaza, i think that is conceivable. But the alternative christiane is if the israelis do go back into, in a big way into raffa to take on the last of the hamas battalions. Yes, theres a Security Logic to it, but will they actually achieve any more than they achieved already . Im very skeptical. I think hamas will be able to reconstitute its military forces. Therell be plenty of volunteers, four hamas battalions emerging out of this aza, this conflict, and then the only real answer to both gaza and the west bank is to have a, a, an authority of palestinian leadership, which takes responsibility for those territories in the concept of a context of working towards a palestinian state, which lives alongside a secure and Peaceful Israel now, onto the other major or maybe unloved war, right now on ukraine. Yeah, our ukrainian sky. And the sky of our neighbors deserve the same security. And i thank everyone who also perceives our need for security as a need for equal security for all, because all lives are equally valuable and he made the obvious point that of course theyre not nature but noise, noise, israel, nato. So this stuff can be done. Now, i dont know your view on that, but your view on The Americans who, as we speak are getting ready to bring this aid bill finally to the floor of congress. Ukrainian armed forces have done a remarkable job holding the russians have baby, initially pushing them back. But the logic of a a war between a major country with 140 Million People and a Big Industrial base. Again, its a mediumsized country thats beginning to tell and what has kept ukraine going has been International Support is being above all, Financial Support from the europeans and even more critically, Military Support mainly from the United States. And sadly, the delay in approving further Military Support a budget for support for ukraine has enabled russia to get on the front foot in ukraine, its meant the Ukrainian Forces have been much more cautious about using what limited material they have at the moment, i think the i hope the vote in the house will be successful. The money will be approved. I think it will be give a very big boost two to zelenskyy and so the whole of americas ally, allies around europe. And it will be a big setback for president putin. You can hear some of the maga republicans literally spouting russian propaganda, nazis this, i mean, its really like word for word, bertins playbook and is disinformation machine. Theres frequent pictures all over anybody can find them of nazis here they are i mean, these people are literally speaking from putins playbook you know, the issues around trump and his affinity for, for putin. I want to ask him finally jd vance was a senator very close trump ally is essentially now writing its going to have to give up its territory to russia. And were just going to have to move forward. That plus, ukraine, russia doesnt matter as much to us as israel well. First of all, i friend the series, misjudgment to say that russia doesnt matter. Russia is the biggest single threat to European Security and North Atlantic security. I know china is a big strategic threat and it is the most important competition for the next for the rest of the century. But if youre looking at the next decade or two, the Real Security threat comes from russia it was flat wrong to think in terms of russia not being a threat. You have to recognize that russia is led by a very autocratic, allpowerful figure who has gone into his head that somehow ukraine is should be part of russia. He is undermined all the principles of the United Nations charter and is quite clearly seemed to be doing that so weve got to defend ourselves against him and the vote in the house representatives to renew support for ukraine is going to really important in this so john, so thank you very much indeed. Thank you, christiane coming up later on the show, trumps former Defense Secretary on the danger of maga, republicans buying into putins propaganda then 1 billion people decide the future of one of americas most important allies but first, the european president , taking matters into his own hands to restock ukraines critically low ammunition supplies great teammates trust each other. Were going to do a trust falls stand up, you close your eyes. Ill say before trust what youre suddenly up doc i told you it was a dummy the right mattress makes everything clear i know how to repair my relationship with my father. The right Mattress Matters will find yours. Its the friends and family sale. 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You probably have heard that the Defense Secretary and United States, lloyd austin has said that russia is beginning to make incremental gains. Its moving onto the front foot and its beginning to really presses advantage. Now that for instance, ukraine doesnt have the max hurricane aid, how much of a difference will it make for you and your effort and for ukraine . If the house passes this aid bill on saturday night, while we all hope that this bill will be passed on saturday because us assistance who has helped to Ukraine Cannot be replaced placed europe is doing increasingly more and more european nations are taking responsibility. But the United States still provide at least 50 of it. So thats why we all count on, wright american decision. What do you make of some of the senators even . Im. Not just the Congress People who are in this sort of trump what we call the maga group of of trump republicans in congress, senators like jd vance of ohio who has been ever since the munich security conference, essentially making a case that ukraine doesnt matter essentially that it should just surrender and give land to russia i believe that ukraine is equally important for europe as it is for United States and the rest of the world. Because its not just about the defense of sovereign country and its territory its about the principles. These principles matter for the United States. The same way as for us. If russia succeeds in ukraine then the whole Transatlantic Community will not be trusted anymore because we are talking about protecting our values but we are not doing enough to protect them in practice. If russia prevails with its attitude to pushing its interests, my force all countries that are watching will be inspired. Starting with china number of countries in africa middle east an asia. I believe that it is a crucial, important that we all deliver all necessary assistance to ukraine four to prevail and to push on russia back. And now you can see that theres a whole, another war on our dales doorstep, potentially iran, israel, obviously see the war thats been going on in israel and gaza. So i want to ask you to reflect on what happened when allies came to the aid of israel to the defense of israel in the face of Iranian Missile barrage israel is not a nato country. And that was noticed and commented on by the Ukrainian President , whos asking, well, weve been asking you to secure our skies and to help us also defend against these russian and iranian by the way projectiles. Heres what he said. Well, after yesterdays attacking me, i want to ask you a question israel, part of nato, who are not, but a mod. This shows the answer theyre the israel is not a neutral country the nato allies, including natal countries, have been defending israel, daqqa, but they showed the Iranian Forces that israel was not alone but it seemed to cars. And this is a lesson continent. This is a response to anyone on any continent who says, you need to assist ukraine very carefully, so you dont engage name countries in the war as a former Chief Of Staff of your armed forces, a former nato general and senior official. What do you make of that . I mean, there is a doublestandard, right . On one hand, i fully understand president zelenskyy frustration on the other hand, if that iranian attack was not not pushed back, if there was no coordination among a number of actors to prevent serious damage in israel i think that was an afford to prevent another war. Because if that attack was not announced upfront, if that cost a lot of damage and casualties, we might have seen the outbreak of a new war no one, once such a new war to happen in such a difficult environments such as middle east, ms present. Finally this new war, there was already the war going on between israel and gaza. Have these taken significant attention away from defending ukraine or can the alliance do both things at the same time . I think we dont have the luxury to take the crisis one by one. If they happen at the same moment, we have to deal with both at the same time. And the principles are still the same. We should condemn the aggression, but we should also do our best to avoid civilian casualties and to bring the parties to the table as soon as possible. President petr pavel of the Czech Republic. Thank you so much for being with us. Thank you for the opportunity still to come on the show. 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India knows it, which is why the west has been willing to turn an, a blind eye on human rights abuses, freedom of the press, and its treatment of religious minorities. Cnns will ripley, is there and explains just whats at stake indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi seems virtually unstoppable as india heads to the polls modi is widely expected to win a commanding majority of indias nearly 1 billion are eligible voters. The biggest democratic election in the history of mankind modis own path from poverty to politics as part of his appeal for a lot of people here in india. His official biography says hes the middle son of a chai wallah, a tea seller Humble Upbringing that he says helps them understand the problems plaguing everyday people modi says his programs put more food on their tables and his Economic Reforms have attracted billions in foreign investment, raising indias global profile ive been doing aong time, but i dont ever remember anybody getting a warmer welcome man right here from the white house to the kremlin World Leaders cant seem to get enough for modi back at home. Hes blurring the line between religion and politics ram jar thigh rom, heart of god, hotter thats modi presiding over the dedication of a temple dedicated to hinduisms lord ram, built on the site of a mollusk muslim mosque that demolition triggered deadly religious riots more than three decades ago modi projects himself as head priest, protector, and creator of a hindufirst nation, a nation some say marginalizes muslims he had been fully creates a cult of his own personality many worship modi himself, almost like living god. That devotion runs deep in the ancient city of varanasi, where religion is woven into the fabric of life, like the rickshaw is weaving in and out of traffic i met this local shopkeeper. Im will who says he loves modi like family. What makes him different from others . What he feels he has done when you hear him speak do you feel like hes speaking to you and your life because he is his pixel with heart. The heart of a very smart politician. Modi was not born born here. He chose to represent this hindu Spiritual Center but not everyone is a believer. Have you ever seen this city so divided, so polarized . This is what we call it as nadh the religious center. It is basically a Spiritual Center. So this unique fabric, fabric has a strained condition law. And we have a fear that this Fabric Metric thats what happened back in 2002 when modi was Chief Minister of the Western State of gujarat religious riots there killed more than one people, mostly muslims. Modi was accused of not doing enough to stop the violence. The us effectively banned modi from stepping foot on us soil a ban lifted when he became Prime Minister in 2014 clear modi of respondents its ability. Now, many Sayod Stoking the fires of religious tensions. The false film that came to my mind was scary scared yeah, its getting i sat down with sana survives. She was celebrating the end of ramadan with her family. That is the freedom of Somebody Just reading a skullcap. Mining is own business, Buying Martin whatever he wants to and then heading home dying on the way a fear shared by many muslims in modis india, wondering if this is the end of a secular indian government. And will it mean the end of their religious and civil rights . Will ripley, cnn varanasi, india still to come the Nuclear Deal Trump and netanyahu dismantled making the middle east more dangerous today. But first, the ukrainian maestro with a message of solidarity for her countrys struggle against putin great teammates, crossing each other. Were gonna do a trust falls, stand up, you close your eyes. Ill say before trust what we suddenly up doc you. I told you there was a dummy. Only Purples Gel Flex Grid passes the by no other matters. Cradles your body and simultaneously supports your spine. Memory foam doesnt come close, get your best sleep guaranteed right now, safe up to 400. 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Sunday, april 28 bit nine on cnn welcome back to the program and we turn the spotlight now onto a symbol of artistic defines and historic achievement. The First Ukrainian my stroke at new yorks metropolitan opera, Oksana Linear is a Classical Music trailblazer with a passion for conducting thats been shaped by her life and the war in her homeland since putins invasion, you neve has used her platform to criticize the kremlin and promote ukraines cultural heritage. I met her last week at the new york metropolitan opera, where she currently leads puccinis to run dot Oksana Linear. Welcome to the program. Thank you very much. What does it mean to you to be the First Ukrainian conductor to step onto the metropolitan stage. It is absolutely exciting. I feel very honored to be the First Ukrainian conduct a in 141 years of metropolitan cia to history and to be a part of this legendary and historical differently production of toronto and what does it mean to you given the fact that theres a horrible war raging in your homeland to you to be here. And what do you hope . The audience and even the choir and the performers to take from this moment in history yes, the steady boulevard makes us suffer with all together. People in ukraine even though i am abroad. But my family is ukraine on my friends, on my colleagues are in ukraine. My first term dot i conducted the National Opera odesa, and of course on the my db2 tonight, of course, i was thinking i was thinking about this incredible experience and about zed terrified conditions which now all musicians are suffering this and i have to say that fighting for the freedom makes us to feel Everything Deepa ever sink more emotionally. And i would like through my music, through my arts, make people also to understand because arts is about humanity. And i would like with our arts also to educate and to do some impacts of the future generations. Move. And you said odesa and we all know there was a Missile Attack by russia on odesa, very close to the opera house. There. Yes. And it was on second match exactly on the day when i conducted here my 2nd night of to run dot. And of course, i was conducting and i had tears in my eyes and for example, in my future concert, i already commissioned the piece, two ukrainian composite of gaining 4k in and im going to premiere this in denmark. And its vocal five interrupted ruler bias dedicated to five infants and children who died in that night. What would you like your audiences . To know about your country . Now, i just want to say that the war, it is not about politicians, about territory, about to see the news in the tv. The war is about human, about people, about families, about loss, childhood and it is terrible to see every day it can happen more and more innocent people are dying because russia is doing that terrified action just to bomb civilian cities and i just would like to say, thank you especially also to all americans. Than people for your help to ukraine, because i think that american can understand what this such important values is freedom. And i just want to say thank you for your solidarity and want to say is please dont lose the hope also to continue to help us and actually this war has shown the world much more ukrainian culture, dance, music, art. Its an interesting byproduct of this terrible war. Oksana. Thank you so much indeed. Thank you so much Oksana Is Tour On Dot Runs at the met until june 7 when we come back with turmoil in todays believes, could the 2015 Iranian Nuclear deal have lowered the regional temperature now . 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Israel and iran are in a face off with no direct globally bag forums for discussion was the 20 Iran Cle Classic Arms Control Agreement reached under the Obama Administration that contained Irans Nuclear program under intrusive International Inspections in exchange for billions in functions relief. But since donald trump abandon the deal back in 2018, at israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahus urging iran has been enriching near weaponsgrade uranium and surging ahead with its Ballistic Missile program from my archive this week, we revisit my conversations with all the Key Stakeholders at the center of what had been a landmark deal, a vital reminder of how negotiated agreements actually made that region more stable, even if only for a few years the object of this exercise is to ensure that Irans Nuclear program will always remain peaceful. And to remove all the restrictions that have been imposed on iran in our view, unjustified the inspectors will have access throughout the entire supply chain going all the way back to Uranium Production through Centrifuge Manufacturing to actually operating facilities. It says for the first time, the most serious interaction at the highest level between iranians and american based on what i know the deal, if they get the deal are trying to get i think it would be far better than not having we have welcomed the nuclear d. So your word against it . Of course not. What we would like to be sure of is that when we read the fine print, once that deal is signed hopefully next month that though thats fine, print will be reassuring lets face it, we wouldnt be where we are today with International Sanctions cetera if there were not. Significant suspicions, shall we say about earlier activities, ilan cannot be trusted. I have heard of those words about he landed phobia. This is the most justified phobia in the world Time And Again, people have been predicting for the past 20 years is that iran was a year away from Making A Bomb Prediction has been proven wrong Time And Again Supreme Leader as i can tell you, given the permission for my government to freely negotiate on these issues so you do have that authorization . Yes. The eye light is behind that deal or rather easing klein, he supports the deal on the other hand, you must read allies that the only Important Group that whole heartedly do support the law of the and all of them have actually risen against the, against the deal. If the United States doesnt solve this problem with you ron ron has no incentive to talk about anything else. This is the most important issue. No deal is better than a bad deal. But the world will be better off if arise. Hello, the United States can find the agreement that satisfies everybodys tests the prevailing Expert Opinion is that if successful set of Military Strikes would only delay the onset of a Weapon Capability for a couple of years if you can put it all ten years the world could turn upside down 15 times in ten years and iran could be a different place to middle east could be a different place. We want to this issue and we will do our best provided that our partners are prepared to walk this road with us for a period of years according to the Un International nuclear agency, iran followed the letter of that agreement and the tensions in that region were much much less a very rare thing happened. All five members of the un council, including china, including russia worked with United States, britain, and france to manage that and support that deal. Its never happened since and as bill clinton told me, the middle east could have been an entirely different place today. 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I think were already seeing things on the battlefield begin to shift a bit in terms of in russias favor, we were seeing them make incremental gains, were saying ukrainians be challenged in terms of main are holding all the line, not as congress on the Donald Trumps direction has so far tried to sink military aid for ukraine. I asked his former Defense Secretary, mark esper, whether he believes the gop holdouts had fallen victim to put putin propaganda i want to, as reagan republican, what you make of people like Marjorie Taylor greene says, is antisemitic to make israeli aid contingent on funding ukrainian nazis. These should be separate bills. Im just focusing on her language because that is literally an intravenous feed of russian disinformation directed straight at them to stop them from sending those weapons. Are you concerned that theyre basically doing putins bidding . Weve got concerned about that language. Its just its so outlandish and its so wrong. And in many ways, look when we, we the United States are the leader of the free world. If we dont lead, the vacuum will be created and either russia or china or both to authority. Tour in states will step in and over time tried to break down on the international rules, order and norms and install their own values. And thats not the world we want to live in so now, is a moment for leadership and i think we have to step up in both cases in all cases, actually ukraine, the middle east, and then taiwan and support our friends and allies. And do the right thing and stop with this. With this type of the talk its inconsistent, not just with president reagan, but with really the history of the gop. And frankly us foreign policy. Now going back, at least since the end of world war ii, and the House Speaker mike johnson has said, he is now ready to do the right thing, even if it cost him his job. And you can watch the rest of our conversation at all. My interviews that amanpour. 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