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John lennon was shot by an unknown at this time white male. The world has reacted with immense shock and grief to the first Rock And Roll assassination. It was like in one moment the 60s and the 70s got murdered. In his life hes given more love than most men and women on the face of this earth. Were here to prove that love is not dead, even though john is. You start the decade with the death of a beatle. You dont really know where youre going to go from that point. You know, culturally or musically. For a while it seemed there was nothing new on the horizon. Announcing the latest achievement in home entertainment. The power of sight. The power of sound. Stereo. Mtv. Music television. We all are so excited about this new concept in tv. Well be doing for tv what fm did for radio. Dont stand so close to me why do you think were so popular over there . Well, theres a tradition that goes back over the past 20 years from the days of the beatles and the Rolling Stones where british bands seem to be better at it than americans. The police have sold 4 million albums in one year. Rolling stone chose them as best new band of the year. Taking note of the swirling, Dreamy Soaring Quality of the sound. Giant steps are what you take walking on the moon it was incredible to see them. And i couldnt believe what i was hearing out of three people. I was shocked. I once read that you were called the pink floyd of the 80s. What do you think of that . Were not at all. Were the cure of the 80s. The holy trinity of i like whats happening at dance places now, over the last year or two. I think the music is becoming very healthy. This golden opportunity features steel titanium and carbon fiber. Raw elements made exhilarating. By lexus. Experience uncompromising performance at the Lexus Golden Opportunity Sales event before it ends. Choose from the is turbo, es 350 or nx turbo for 299 a month for 36 months if you lease now. Experience amazing at your lexus dealer. vo it would be great if Human Beings Were Great At Being human. And if all of mankind were made up of kind women and kind men. It would be wonderful if common knowledge was knowledge commonly known. And if the light from being enlightened into every heart was shown. It would be glorious if neighbors were neighborly. And indifference a forgotten word. It would be awesome if we shared everything and being greedy was absurd. It would be spectacular if the golden rule was golden to every man. And the good things that we ever did was everything that we can. vo 2 treating others like wed like to be treated has always been our guiding principle. Hi. Lookthe whole fam. Hooked they sure did guywhousedtoaskifyoucould hearhimnowwithverizon . Or just paul. Weve been up here for ages. You should switch to sprint like i did. Nowadays, every network is great but with sprint, youre not paying a ton for unlimited or overages. Thanks, paul. Works for me daddy, can we switch to sprint . I dont feel too good. Dont get hooked by verizon and let a 1 difference in Network Reliability cost you twice as much. Switch to sprint unlimited 22. 50 per month per line for four lines. For people with hearing loss, visit sprintrelay. Com stir up a rich creamy flavor. It can inspire you to stir up other things, too. Like a new friendship. Stir up commitment. With coffeemate ice cream flavors. Culture. It changed the entire dynamic of what you had to do as far as promotion was concerned. You had to be a Performance Artist as well as a musician. The intelligent ones recognized that its a marriage between the visual artist and the musician at this point. Monkey dont you know youre going to shock the monkey the man or the woman who finds the right combination will take it all. Lets dance put on your red shoes and dance the blues when david and i decided that we were going to work together, it was pretty clear to me that david wanted to make a commercial album. Now im going to go make a pop record. But it was going to be his version of pop. My songs always tend to be impressionistic or even have a surreal quality to them. And on this album is the first time ive really tried to adapt to a didactic kind of approach to songwriting. If you should fall into my arms tremble like a flower artists in the 80s, david bowie for that matter, realized if you wanted to make it you needed to be on mtv. But theres one group thats not happy with mtv. Many black artists who have been told their music doesnt fit the format. Thats whats happening. Were being sat in the back of the bus television style. And if pittman gets away with this and there are other cable shows that do it theyre going to try it. Mtv doesnt exclude black acts. What mtv does exclude is music that is not Rock And Roll. Mtv came out with no consideration on how to infuse black music into their mix. Im just floored by the fact there are so few black artists featured on it. Why is that . We have to try and do what we think not only new york and los angeles will appreciate but also some town in the midwest that will be scared to death by prince or a string of other black faces. Interesting. Okay. Thank you very much. When are we going to see anybody of color on mtv, because you said music television. When are you going to start covering all genres of music . Music shouldnt have color. I dont believe in that. I dont want it labeled black or white, i want it labeled music. [ cheers and applause ] [ billie jean ] 1983, motown has this big tv special, motowns 25th anniversary. At that time thriller is out and thriller is doing well. But Michael Jackson couldnt get billie jean on mtv. She was more like a beauty queen from a movie scene when the rest of the world was going crazy and he cant get on mtv . Michael jackson . Come on. When he does that moonwalk, if you were sitting on the couch by the end of it you were on the floor in front of the tv. You couldnt believe what you were seeing. I would say the moonwalk was really one of the first viral moments that affected rock history. The next week thriller started selling a million copies a week. I like Michael Jackson because hes bad, he knows how to dance. Hes so sexy and so gorgeous. Hes exciting Michael Jackson is the man of the 80s. Mtv starts to get pressure from cbs records, which was Michael Jacksons label. Rock and roll in itself was really the thing that broke a lot of rules. When youre very successful, you try to make your own rules occasionally. As the story goes, cbs essentially said we will pull every other artist we have on mtv if you dont play this. They had to be essentially blackmailed into doing it. It doesnt matter whos wrong or right just beat it he was the artist that mtv really needed. They didnt know they needed him, but boy, when we started to see those Michael Jackson videos, it was just unbelievable. Then there was the domino effect. Suddenly you see prince videos from Warner Brothers do the same thing. Tonight were Gonna Party Like its 1999 prince wasnt just materializing out of nowhere. Where was he before this video was done . Prince was a huge star on black radio stations. I mean, people he had a Underground Cult Following and he was a very sexy, hot performer. The sweat of your body covers me can you, my darling, can you picture this prince loved the idea that he was taking his Punk Funk Music and turning it on to a white audience, and that wouldnt have happened if not for mtv. This is what it sounds like when doves cry when i was younger, i always said that one day i was going to play all kinds of music and not be judged for the color of my skin but the quality of my work. Only want to see you only want to see you in the Purple Rain Prince had a great androgyny. He blurred the gender line. He sings, he writes, he plays. Every time i see him its just like, really . Okay, i quit. When he plays guitar, its just part of his body in a way that ive never really seen before. And its not contrived. Its just its just happening. What was his music . Was it r b . His music was just straight down the middle mainstream grab you by the throat and balls pop. We go down to the river and into the river we die at this point a lot of it is about being there, which is why we havent done too much of the video thing. A lot of it allows too much distance. Like what our band is about is about breaking down distance. At night i wake up bruce was all about credibility and intelligence and integrity. So how would he translate his music and his attitude toward the world to what seemed like this frivolous world of the music video . Bruce is not going to be next to a winking model on a sailboat. You cant start a fire you cant start a fire without a spark this guns for hire he ends up doing essentially a Concert Video starring a then unknown courteney cox. Its like this weird recreation of something that organically happens in a Bruce Springsteen concert. Born in the usa if there was an artist in the 80s who transcended the music video hes the guy. Hes the guy that didnt need to do great music videos to still be a great artist. Hes Bruce Springsteen. It was great music. Born in the usa hi leaving a career to follow a calling takes courage. A personalized Financial Strategy can give you confidence to take the next step. Hi guys aw yeah see how access to j. P. Morgan Investment Expertise can help you. Chase. Make more of whats yours. Chase. Scuse me. Mind if i sit here . Not if you want your phone to work. Let me guess, cant livestream your lobster roll. And my mobile pay isnt connecting and i just got an unlimited plan. Right plan, wrong network. You see, verizon has americas largest, most reliable 4g Lte Network and now unlimited plans start at 40 per line, you know what im saying . Oh, this is your seat. Definitely. Yep. Just tucking it in. I wasnt gonna pull it out. Introducing unlimited for all. All the data you want on the network you want. Now starting at 40 per line for four lines. Its time for the biggest sale of the year with the new sleep number 360 smart bed. It senses your every move and automatically adjusts on both sides to keep you effortlessly comfortable. And snoring. Does your bed do that . The new 360 smart bed is part of our biggest sale of the year where all beds are on sale. And right now save 50 on the labor Day Limited Edition bed, plus 36 month financing. Ends monday it is unlikely they are going to abandon their Nuclear Program. You are behind a rock and a hard place if youre President Trump. How do you deal with this . There are options, but it seems like the options they are pursuing now are having the alternative effect. What it seems like they have to do is just try to put more pressure on china as seems to be one of the only leverages they have now. And at that point, not to cut you off, but i want to welcome our viewers in the United States and everyone watching from around the world. You are joining us for Breaking News out of north korea. Speaking to ian in seoul. Lets bring you up to speed with what we know now. There are reports of an earthquake in north korea not long after pyongyang claimed to have a Nuclear Weapon. The u. S. Geological survey said it was a 6. 3 magnitude explosion. It is unclear if this was actually a nuclear test. We want to be clear. We do not know this as a fact. It has not been confirmed yet. What we can tell you is that south korean Officials Say they believe the tremor was manmade. North korean state media said they had a Hydrogen Bomb and ran these images you are looking at now on screen. They put these out, Purporting To Show kim jongun inspecting the device. Lets go now to will ripley who joins me now on the line from tokyo. Will, you are just back from north korea. As you say, you are just waking up in tokyo now. You were in north korea the last couple of days. When you were there, was there any indication that there was a nuclear test on the horizon . Well, all last week when we were reporting for north korea we reiterated that it was around this time last year they conducted their fifth nuclear test. That nuclear test happened shortly before the end of the joint Military Drills between the u. S. And south korea which always infuriate the north korean government. This infur yated them for a long time. A week before the drills ended last week they conducted their fifth Nuclear Tests. The drills this year ended on thursday. While we saw that provocative launch over japan, north korea didnt give any warning of an impending nuclear test. What they have done is put out messaging over the past couple of days talking about their Nuclear Program and how it is increasingly advanced and urging the United States to shift the longstanding position of not acknowledging north korea as a Nuclear Weapons state. This is something north korea is demanding as a precondition for any kind of discussion with the United States and its allies. That the notion that north korea throw away its Nuclear Program, be taken off the table. North korea says it wont happen no matter what sanctions or diplomatic pressure is on them. They believe they have made too much progress and they believe these weapons are the leverage that will guarantee down the road longterm a better future, a better life for the north korean people. The north koreans will come to the diplomatic table from a position of strength as opposed to what the United States would like to see which is a crippled north korean regime becoming financially desperate enough to have discussions and perhaps throw away the Nuclear Program. We got in there last week. There were a number of discussions. They said time and again thats not going to happen. What the latest test demonstrates is an increase in their abilities. The earthquake that was created by last years explosion around this time was 5. 3. This is a 6. 3 magnitude explosion. It is a much larger Nuclear Device they tested. They also put out a picture of north koreas Supreme Leader kim jongun standing next to what looks like and what north korea claims is a miniaturized Nuclear Warhead being loaded on a ballistic missile. North korea said they have an increasing capability and they are calling on the u. S. To change their position on acknowledging north korea as a Nuclear Weapons state. Then perhaps there could be talks on north koreas terms. I thought when i was in pyongyang a couple of days ago perhaps that meant that the situation would deescalate and this would go into a Holding Pattern for a while. Clearly after the bomber and Fighter Jet Fly over on the Korean Peninsula north korea has upped the ante in a big way. They are not concerned about sanctions or international condemnation. They are going all in on this strategy to show the world that they are becoming increasingly advanced with the nuclear arsenal. They put out a News Bulletin in the past 12 hours saying these warheads are 100 home made. Which means they say they have all the materials they need to build these Nuclear Weapon s inside north korea now. They dont need to trade with other countries to build these weapons. They say you can try cutting us off but we can build as many as we want. If you continue this policy well continue building more and more weapons and become more of a threat to the International Community including the mainland u. S. Will, the point you made about having the capabilities to build the components for the Nuclear Ballistic devices internally was one that struck me as i read the reporting put out by k cna, the state media. Looking at a north korea thats gone past the point of any return. Essentially if what they are claiming is true, if they are completely willing to ignore sanctions and the threat of more significant action, at this point you have to ask whats left on the table in terms of a means for bargaining with north korea. The United States has leverage in bargaining with north korea. North korea has long wanted normalized relations with the United States. They have wanted a more normalized relationship with much of the International Community. What north korean officials have been telling me for years, this last trip was my 14th trip to north korea over the last three years. Every single trip they used the same terminology. They say the United States has, in their eyes a hostile policy. They would like that to change. From the United States perspective this is difficult. What north korea has done by testing these Nuclear Devices and launching missiles is in flagrant violation of Rock And Roll<\/a> assassination. It was like in one moment the 60s and the 70s got murdered. In his life hes given more love than most men and women on the face of this earth. Were here to prove that love is not dead, even though john is. You start the decade with the death of a beatle. You dont really know where youre going to go from that point. You know, culturally or musically. For a while it seemed there was nothing new on the horizon. Announcing the latest achievement in home entertainment. The power of sight. The power of sound. Stereo. Mtv. Music television. We all are so excited about this new concept in tv. Well be doing for tv what fm did for radio. Dont stand so close to me why do you think were so popular over there . Well, theres a tradition that goes back over the past 20 years from the days of the beatles and the Rolling Stones<\/a> where british bands seem to be better at it than americans. The police have sold 4 million albums in one year. Rolling stone chose them as best new band of the year. Taking note of the swirling, Dreamy Soaring Quality<\/a> of the sound. Giant steps are what you take walking on the moon it was incredible to see them. And i couldnt believe what i was hearing out of three people. I was shocked. I once read that you were called the pink floyd of the 80s. What do you think of that . Were not at all. Were the cure of the 80s. The holy trinity of\r i like whats happening at dance places now, over the last year or two. I think the music is becoming very healthy. This golden opportunity features steel titanium and carbon fiber. Raw elements made exhilarating. By lexus. Experience uncompromising performance at the Lexus Golden Opportunity Sales<\/a> event before it ends. Choose from the is turbo, es 350 or nx turbo for 299 a month for 36 months if you lease now. Experience amazing at your lexus dealer. vo it would be great if Human Beings Were Great At Being<\/a> human. And if all of mankind were made up of kind women and kind men. It would be wonderful if common knowledge\rwas knowledge commonly known. And if the light from being enlightened into every heart was shown. It would be glorious if neighbors were neighborly. And indifference a forgotten word. It would be awesome if we shared everything and being greedy was absurd. It would be spectacular if the golden rule was golden to every man. And the good things that we ever did was everything that we can. vo 2 treating others like wed like to be treated has always been our guiding principle. Hi. Lookthe whole fam. Hooked they sure did guywhousedtoaskifyoucould hearhimnowwithverizon . Or just paul. Weve been up here for ages. You should switch to sprint like i did. Nowadays, every network is great but with sprint, youre not paying a ton for unlimited or overages. Thanks, paul. Works for me daddy, can we switch to sprint . I dont feel too good. Dont get hooked by verizon and let a 1 difference in Network Reliability<\/a> cost you twice as much. Switch to sprint unlimited 22. 50 per month per line for four lines. For people with hearing loss, visit sprintrelay. Com stir up a rich creamy flavor. It can inspire you to stir up other things, too. Like a new friendship. Stir up commitment. With coffeemate ice cream flavors. Culture. It changed the entire dynamic of what you had to do as far as promotion was concerned. You had to be a Performance Artist<\/a> as well as a musician. The intelligent ones recognized that its a marriage between the visual artist and the musician at this point. Monkey dont you know youre going to shock the monkey the man or the woman who finds the right combination will take it all. Lets dance put on your red shoes and dance the blues when david and i decided that we were going to work together, it was pretty clear to me that david wanted to make a commercial album. Now im going to go make a pop record. But it was going to be his version of pop. My songs always tend to be impressionistic or even have a surreal quality to them. And on this album is the first time ive really tried to adapt\rto a didactic kind of approach to songwriting. If you should fall into my arms tremble like a flower artists in the 80s, david bowie for that matter, realized if you wanted to make it you needed to be on mtv. But theres one group thats not happy with mtv. Many black artists who have been told their music doesnt fit the format. Thats whats happening. Were being sat in the back of the bus television style. And if pittman gets away with this and there are other cable shows that do it theyre going to try it. Mtv doesnt exclude black acts. What mtv does exclude is music that is not Rock And Roll<\/a>. Mtv came out with no consideration on how to infuse black music into their mix. Im just floored by the fact there are so few black artists featured on it. Why is that . We have to try and do what we think not only new york and los angeles will appreciate but also\rsome town in the midwest that will be scared to death by prince or a string of other black faces. Interesting. Okay. Thank you very much. When are we going to see anybody of color on mtv, because you said music television. When are you going to start covering all genres of music . Music shouldnt have color. I dont believe in that. I dont want it labeled black or white, i want it labeled music. [ cheers and applause ] [ billie jean ] 1983, motown has this big tv special, motowns 25th anniversary. At that time thriller is out and thriller is doing well. But Michael Jackson<\/a> couldnt get billie jean on mtv. She was more like a beauty queen from a movie scene when the rest of the world was going crazy and he cant get\ron mtv . Michael jackson . Come on. When he does that moonwalk, if you were sitting on the couch by the end of it you were on the floor in front of the tv. You couldnt believe what you were seeing. I would say the moonwalk was really one of the first viral moments that affected rock history. The next week thriller started selling a million copies a week. I like Michael Jackson<\/a> because hes bad, he knows how to dance. Hes so sexy and so gorgeous. Hes exciting Michael Jackson<\/a> is the man of the 80s. Mtv starts to get pressure from cbs records, which was Michael Jackson<\/a>s label. Rock and roll in itself was really the thing that broke a lot of rules. When youre very successful, you try to make your own rules occasionally. As the story goes, cbs essentially said we will pull every other artist we have on mtv if you dont play this. They had to be essentially blackmailed into doing it. It doesnt matter whos wrong or right just beat it he was the artist that mtv really needed. They didnt know they needed him, but boy, when we started to see those Michael Jackson<\/a> videos, it was just unbelievable. Then there was the domino effect. Suddenly you see prince videos from Warner Brothers<\/a> do the same thing. Tonight were Gonna Party Like<\/a> its 1999 prince wasnt just materializing out of nowhere. Where was he before this video was done . Prince was a huge star on black radio stations. I mean, people he had a Underground Cult Following<\/a> and he was a very sexy, hot performer. The sweat of your body covers me can you, my darling, can you picture this prince loved the idea that he was taking his Punk Funk Music<\/a> and turning it on to a white audience, and that wouldnt have happened if not for mtv. This is what it sounds like when doves cry when i was younger, i always said that one day i was going to play all kinds of music and not be judged for the color of my skin but the quality of my work. Only want to see you only want to see you in the Purple Rain Prince<\/a> had a great androgyny. He blurred the gender line. He sings, he writes, he plays. Every time i see him its just like, really . Okay, i quit. When he plays guitar, its just part of his body in a way that ive never really seen before. And its not contrived. Its just its just happening. What was his music . Was it r b . His music was just straight down the middle mainstream grab you\rby the throat and balls pop. We go down to the river and into the river we die at this point a lot of it is about being there, which is why we havent done too much of the video thing. A lot of it allows too much distance. Like what our band is about is about breaking down distance. At night i wake up bruce was all about credibility and intelligence and integrity. So how would he translate his music and his attitude toward the world to what seemed like this frivolous world of the music video . Bruce is not going to be next to a winking model on a sailboat. You cant start a fire you cant start a fire without a spark this guns for hire he ends up doing essentially a Concert Video<\/a> starring a then unknown courteney cox. Its like this weird recreation of something that organically happens in a Bruce Springsteen<\/a> concert. Born in the usa if there was an artist in the 80s who transcended the music video hes the guy. Hes the guy that didnt need to do great music videos to still be a great artist. Hes Bruce Springsteen<\/a>. It was great music. Born in the usa hi leaving a career to follow a calling takes courage. A personalized Financial Strategy<\/a> can give you confidence to take the next step. Hi guys aw yeah see how access to j. P. Morgan Investment Expertise<\/a> can help you. Chase. Make more of whats yours. Chase. Scuse me. Mind if i sit here . Not if you want your phone to work. Let me guess, cant livestream your lobster roll. And my mobile pay isnt connecting and i just got an unlimited plan. Right plan, wrong network. You see, verizon has americas largest, most reliable 4g Lte Network<\/a> and now unlimited plans start at 40 per line, you know what im saying . Oh, this is your seat. Definitely. Yep. Just tucking it in. I wasnt gonna pull it out. Introducing unlimited for all. All the data you want on the network you want. Now starting at 40 per line for four lines. Its time for the biggest sale of the year with the new sleep number 360 smart bed. It senses your every move and automatically adjusts on both sides to keep you effortlessly comfortable. And snoring. Does your bed do that . The new 360 smart bed is part of our biggest sale of the year where all beds are on sale. And right now save 50 on the labor Day Limited Edition<\/a> bed, plus 36 month financing. Ends monday \rit is unlikely they are going to abandon their Nuclear Program<\/a>. You are behind a rock and a hard place if youre President Trump<\/a>. How do you deal with this . There are options, but it seems like the options they are pursuing now are having the alternative effect. What it seems like they have to do is just try to put more pressure on china as seems to be one of the only leverages they have now. And at that point, not to cut you off, but i want to welcome our viewers in the United States<\/a> and everyone watching from around the world. You are joining us for Breaking News<\/a> out of north korea. Speaking to ian in seoul. Lets bring you up to speed with what we know now. There are reports of an earthquake in north korea not long after pyongyang claimed to have a Nuclear Weapon<\/a>. The u. S. Geological survey said it was a 6. 3 magnitude explosion. It is unclear if this was actually a nuclear test. We want to be clear. We do not know this as a fact. It has not been confirmed yet. What we can tell you is that south korean Officials Say<\/a> they believe the tremor was manmade. North korean state media said they had a Hydrogen Bomb<\/a> and ran these images you are looking at now on screen. They put these out, Purporting To Show<\/a> kim jongun inspecting the device. Lets go now to will ripley who joins me now on the line from tokyo. Will, you are just back from north korea. As you say, you are just waking up in tokyo now. You were in north korea the last couple of days. When you were there, was there any indication that there was a nuclear test on the horizon . Well, all last week when we were reporting for north korea we reiterated that it was around this time last year they conducted their fifth nuclear test. That nuclear test happened\rshortly before the end of the joint Military Drills<\/a> between the u. S. And south korea which always infuriate the north korean government. This infur yated them for a long time. A week before the drills ended last week they conducted their fifth Nuclear Tests<\/a>. The drills this year ended on thursday. While we saw that provocative launch over japan, north korea didnt give any warning of an impending nuclear test. What they have done is put out messaging over the past couple of days talking about their Nuclear Program<\/a> and how it is increasingly advanced and urging the United States<\/a> to shift the longstanding position of not acknowledging north korea as a Nuclear Weapons<\/a> state. This is something north korea is demanding as a precondition for any kind of discussion with the United States<\/a> and its allies. That the notion that north korea throw away its Nuclear Program<\/a>,\rbe taken off the table. North korea says it wont happen no matter what sanctions or diplomatic pressure is on them. They believe they have made too much progress and they believe these weapons are the leverage that will guarantee down the road longterm a better future, a better life for the north korean people. The north koreans will come to the diplomatic table from a position of strength as opposed to what the United States<\/a> would like to see which is a crippled north korean regime becoming financially desperate enough to have discussions and perhaps throw away the Nuclear Program<\/a>. We got in there last week. There were a number of discussions. They said time and again thats not going to happen. What the latest test demonstrates is an increase in their abilities. The earthquake that was created by last years explosion around this time was 5. 3. This is a 6. 3 magnitude explosion. It is a much larger Nuclear Device<\/a> they tested. They also put out a picture of\rnorth koreas Supreme Leader<\/a> kim jongun standing next to what looks like and what north korea claims is a miniaturized Nuclear Warhead<\/a> being loaded on a ballistic missile. North korea said they have an increasing capability and they are calling on the u. S. To change their position on acknowledging north korea as a Nuclear Weapons<\/a> state. Then perhaps there could be talks on north koreas terms. I thought when i was in pyongyang a couple of days ago perhaps that meant that the situation would deescalate and this would go into a Holding Pattern<\/a> for a while. Clearly after the bomber and Fighter Jet Fly<\/a> over on the Korean Peninsula<\/a> north korea has upped the ante in a big way. They are not concerned about sanctions or international condemnation. They are going all in on this strategy to show the world that they are becoming increasingly advanced with the nuclear arsenal. They put out a News Bulletin<\/a> in the past 12 hours saying these\rwarheads are 100 home made. Which means they say they have all the materials they need to build these Nuclear Weapon<\/a> s inside north korea now. They dont need to trade with other countries to build these weapons. They say you can try cutting us off but we can build as many as we want. If you continue this policy well continue building more and more weapons and become more of a threat to the International Community<\/a> including the mainland u. S. Will, the point you made about having the capabilities to build the components for the Nuclear Ballistic<\/a> devices internally was one that struck me as i read the reporting put out by k cna, the state media. Looking at a north korea thats gone past the point of any return. Essentially if what they are claiming is true, if they are\rcompletely willing to ignore sanctions and the threat of more significant action, at this point you have to ask whats left on the table in terms of a means for bargaining with north korea. The United States<\/a> has leverage in bargaining with north korea. North korea has long wanted normalized relations with the United States<\/a>. They have wanted a more normalized relationship with much of the International Community<\/a>. What north korean officials have been telling me for years, this last trip was my 14th trip to north korea over the last three years. Every single trip they used the same terminology. They say the United States<\/a> has, in their eyes a hostile policy. They would like that to change. From the United States<\/a> perspective this is difficult. What north korea has done by testing these Nuclear Device<\/a>s and launching missiles is in flagrant violation of International Law<\/a>. So for a long time the United States<\/a> government has said why would we reward a country thats\rviolating International Law<\/a> repeatedly and flagrantly and by acknowledging them as a Nuclear Weapons<\/a> state or being willing to have discussions, give them concessions. There are people in the United States<\/a> that feel any assistance, any aid given to north korea has only gone to further strengthen their development of the nuclear arsenal. There is another viewpoint they have come so far with these weapons that if the world continues its strategy thats proven to be a failure and in fact Vladimir Putin<\/a> just a couple of days ago said he believes putting pressure on north koreas rhetoric, sanctions he believes will make the situation more dangerous. North korea has shown the world that despite round after round, round seven of u. N. Security sanctions was passed. Despite all of that. Despite attempts to cut them off they have found ways to get\raround the sanctions to continue bringing in money through any means necessary and possible. And they have continued to advance. More quickly than analysts believed they would. Now you have yet another apparent nuclear test at the Nuclear Test Site<\/a> creating an explosion so powerful it could be felt across the border in china. You have north korea saying they are not worried about what china will do. They are not worried about the United States<\/a> is going to do, japan or south korea. They are going to do what they see as necessary to protect their National Sovereignty<\/a> and more importantly for them to continue to have leverage over the rest of the world. They have essentially created a scenario where even though the United States<\/a> is far more wealthy and far more powerful north korea has something that the United States<\/a> is going to be hardpressed to find a response to. Military analysts would say a Military Option<\/a> against north korea would be far too dangerous. The humanitarian consequences would be catastrophic. What option does it leave the United States<\/a> . The United States<\/a> needs to talk with north korea. A lot of people in washington dont like to reward them for bad, illegal behavior. If they dont others say this is going to continue to escalate and become more dangerous. North korea is not stopping nuclear development. Will ripley joining us on the line with great insight. We appreciate it. Stand by for us. Well come back to you for your expertise. We want to take a minute and bring in colonel Rick Francona<\/a> from oregon, a cnn Military Analyst<\/a> and retired lieutenant colonel. Thank you for being with us. As will just said is it time for\rthe u. S. To speak to north korea and to come to the table without the expectation that this is a state that can be denuclearized . Is it time to let go of the idea especially in light of everything we have heard in the last couple of hours . The possible nuclear test and the sense that they may have, indeed, been able to conquer hydrogen technology, Hydrogen Nuclear<\/a> technology. If you listen to the statements made by Secretary Of Defense Mattis<\/a> and secretary of state Rex Tillerson<\/a> we are getting to that point. They have to keep up the standard u. S. Position that we will not discuss things with north korea until they disavow themselves of a Nuclear Program<\/a>. Most people realize and will gave an excellent rundown. I dont think there is a chance the north koreans will give up this program. This is in their constitution. They believe it is in their Strategic National<\/a> interest. They believe it is the only thing that keeps them from being\rover taken, attacked by the United States<\/a>. Whether thats true or not isnt important. It is their perception. It is the perception of their people. Thats what they believe. That they have to have the Strategic Nuclear<\/a> deterrent to keep themselves in power. As long as thats the case, i dont see anything thats going to make them want to discuss giving up their Nuclear Weapons<\/a>. Whats the option . The United States<\/a> has to determine how to live with a Nuclear Armed<\/a> north korea. We have lived with others in the past russia and the chinese. We have been able to develop a Deterrent Posture<\/a> with them. Mutually assured destruction. The north koreans know any attack on the United States<\/a> would be met with overwhelming Military Force<\/a> leading to the end of the country. Kim jongun doesnt want to use a weapon. He wants to own them because he believes that gives him leverage. Thats what makes him a viable world power. Colonel francona, has the\rnorth korea leader backed the u. S. President into a corner . I say that in light of President Trump<\/a>s statements of fire and fury, if north korea continues to escalate threats and carry out provocative actions. Well, what now . What now from President Trump<\/a> . President trump drew a line which north korea swiftly jumped over. What now for the president . If you look you go back in history. We have been dealing with this problem for years, for decades. It was always kick the can down the road. They dont have the technology. They are not ready yet. We still have time. Well, we dont have time anymore. The koreans ramped up this program. They have acquired these capabilities much faster than most people thought they could. Now we are faced with the end game. We have to do something. So its not that they backed President Trump<\/a> into a corner. They backed the United States<\/a> into a corner. They have done this successfully for each president ial administration. Now there is no more road to kick the can onto. We are where the rubber meets the road. Something needs to happen. We have to determine what our policy will be rather than saying we have time. We dont have time. Are you surprised by how quickly they are moving with their Nuclear Program<\/a>, how quickly the tests are ha iin ha. How are they doing it . They put their entire National Resources<\/a> into it. This is their number one priority. Every resource they have, all of the top scientists in the country are working on these programs. We have concurrent programs. You have the Nuclear Weapons<\/a> and the ballistic missiles. They are both important. These technologies combine into\ra capability they want. We are almost there. In fact, if what kim jongun demonstrated today is real, they have achieved that combination of the two technologies. And so am i surprised . You know, the north koreans are good engineers. I have seen a lot of their equipment over the years. We have gotten our hands on some of it. Its well made, well engineered. Am i surprised they have the capability to do it . Not really. I am surprised at the speed which they are developing. The timeline is compressing so fast. As i say, they are developing capabilities faster than we are coming up with policies to deal with it. Yeah, very true. Colonel, please stay with us. We want to keep your valuable insight. We are going to hit pause for a second. Adam mountain joins us from washington. Thank you so much for joining us. Lets get your reaction to what could well be north koreas\rsixth nuclear test. It does look like it was a sixth nuclear test. The magnitude was higher than previous tests. Earlier tonight north korea released photographs of what it said was a twostage thermoNuclear Weapon<\/a>, an advanced system. It said the warhead could fit in an icbm. In fact, that it was loaded into an icbm they say is capable of reaching the continental United States<\/a>. We cant verify all of the details they released in the statement. This appears to have been a very large test. They have boosted the yield of their weapons. We need to take that capability seriously. Take it seriously and respond how from the u. S. Perspective . Well, the interesting thing is a thermoNuclear Weapon<\/a> doesnt necessarily mean deterrence is impossible. You can devastate a city with a hiroshimastyle bomb like the one we dropped. We already knew the north koreans had that. This would up the yield. It would be capable of greater devastation and damage. But the facts about deterrence, what the United States<\/a> and allies need to do to prevent north korea from using a Nuclear Weapon<\/a> are roughly the same. We expect that north korea doesnt want to utilize a weapon Out Of The Blue<\/a> to attack the u. S. Homeland. We think they would want to use one if it felt the regime was facing i vags. The First Priority<\/a> is to reestablish a strong defensive posture on the peninsula to ensure the weapons are never used. What does that look like . I mean, there is already the construction of the t. H. A. D. Antimissile system in south\rkorea. What are you talking about . Strengthening Defense Pacts<\/a> between the u. S. And allies, japan and south korea . Break it down for us. The Trump Administration<\/a> has not mounted a firm and visible response that north korea has tested missiles at an accelerated pace throughout the spring or this icbm which was a critical time for the United States<\/a>. One thing we should be looking at is what are the new Military Capabilities<\/a>, defensive Military Capabilities<\/a> that could help to prevent north korea from agresing. Agresing against allied forces. One thing that concerned me tonight was the statement that kcna released with the photographs saying this Nuclear Warhead<\/a> was capable of variable\ryield. They could dial down the yield to a lower yield which suggests that north korea is not just thinking about having a capability to retaliate against American Cities<\/a> in the event of invasion, but in fact they are thinking about how to use the Nuclear Weapons<\/a> for blackmail, potentially to use them in a wider range of circumstances and situations. The priority now should be to abandon this foolser rand to draw out of the Free Trade Agreement<\/a> announced today. Stand tough with allies and make sure we have the capabilities necessary to deny north korea from any kind of aggression. At low levels of escalation and at the nuclear level. Adam, let me ask you this question which people are divided on. Where do you stand on this point of the u. S. Saying that talks with north korea will not\rproceed unless north korea expresses the willingness or takes action to freeze its Nuclear Program<\/a> and ultimately denuclearize. Is that a fools errand . I think denuclearization is an important longterm goal. Is it realistic . I think we should think of it as a longterm goal, not as a shortterm solution. The shortterm priorities are in deterrence and defense, strengthening american alliances. If they focused too much On Denuclearization<\/a> they are starting to overlook the nearterm imperatives. The other important thing that happened is talks could stand a reasonable chance of promoting stability on the peninsula. You have to abandon this insistence on going for broke with denuclearization in order to get there. In august the United States<\/a> and north korea said they restrained\rthemselves from taking provocative action. North korea in slowing the missile tempo, the United States<\/a> in refraining from flights. Unfortunately neither of these Restraint Messages<\/a> got across. There was miscommunication. Neither side was willing to take the first step in solidifying that regime of restraint. If we are going to maintain deterrence and want any hope of slowing Missile Tests<\/a> theyve got to have the direct talks that are focused on arms control and the peninsula. Before i let you go, we have to talk china. This administration has placed a great amount of faith in chinas ability to rein in north korea. Not just this administration. Past administrations have also made the point because it is true china is the norths biggest Trading Partner<\/a> and have significant leverage that has not led to north korea changing its actions. What is your expectation in terms of a response from beijing in light of this possible sixth nuclear test and after the sanctions passed by the u. N. That china signed on to enforce vigorously. China does sign on to a new u. N. Sanction when there is a missile test, especially a nuclear test. We can expect they will reconvene the council and push for a tough new resolution. We should be skeptical of whether or not that economic Pressure Forces<\/a> the north korean regime to behave in ways that we want. Whether it has the effects we desire or whether its just a way of looking tough for the International Community<\/a> and domestic audiences. What are the things we need to explore over the long run . If we can step back from denuclearization, stop manufacturing a crisis in the near term, whether china would help us deter north korea. Remember the primary interest is stability on the peninsula. If they start to understand that north korea is destabilizing to the region they may be willing to coordinate with us in deterring north korea from aggressing. General dunfords Veft To Beijing<\/a> in the north of china this month or earlier in august was a good sign that this coordination could occur. Thats something we need to explore. We cant get there if we are still going for broke On Denuclearization<\/a>. All right. Adam joining us there. We appreciate it. Thank you for the insight and analysis. Its absolutely been fascinating to get your thoughts on this evening. Thank you. Thank you. I want to bring in ian lee who joins me now from seoul, south korea. Whats the latest from where you are. Are we getting any more reaction to this possible sixth nuclear\rtest by north korea . What are you hearing . The National Security<\/a> council is meeting here in seoul. They will be discussing this earthquake. We heard the Joint Chiefs Of Staff<\/a> are investigating whether it was, in fact, a nuclear test. All signs have been pointing to the fact that this does appear to be a nuclear test. They have increased the alert level for the military in south korea. They are also increasing the surveillance of the north to determine what exactly happened and see whats going on there. Its an interesting thing to point out that in 2016 when that nuclear test happened in north korea it was a 5. 3 on the Richter Scale<\/a>. Now we are seeing this one today is a 6. 3. How the Richter Scale<\/a> works every point up is ten times for powerful. Thats not to say whatever caused this earthquake is ten times more powerful than the last one. It just says according to the Richter Scale<\/a> this earthquake is ten times more powerful than the previous one in 2016. So thats something to give the experts insight into what exactly happened. But we are also monitoring north korean state television. They usually come out fairly quickly with some celebratory statement saying they have carried out a nuclear test. So we are watching closely to see when and if they do that. But right now things are tense at least for the government here because they are monitoring, trying to figure out, scrambling the National Security<\/a> Council Meeting<\/a> now. We will be waiting to hear what they have to say once they are out of the meeting. Ian, want you to put\rsomething in context for me. If this was a nuclear test, again, we want to stress to the viewers who may just be joining us. There was this explosion according to the usgs it was 6. 3 on the Richter Scale<\/a>. It has not been confirmed that it was a nuclear test. But if, indeed, thats what took place in north korea the sixth one. I mean, to what degree does this change our assessment of the threat posed by north korea to those in the region and the u. S. . Well, this just shows that from what the Richter Scale<\/a> says from the magnitude of this earthquake that it appears to be a larger device if it was, in fact, a Nuclear Weapon<\/a>. The interesting thing earlier today just in the last 24 hours north korea came out and said they have the capabilities of putting a Hydrogen Bomb<\/a> on an\rintercontinental ballistic missile. Thats something experts thought north korea was months if not years away from achieving. But now according to state media who showed pictures of north Korean Leader<\/a> kim jongun at their Nuclear Facility<\/a> inspecting this nuclear bomb and how it would be put on an icbm, thats very significant because previously we knew north korea could strike the region and could strike the United States<\/a> with a missile. But they hadnt been able to put a Nuclear Device<\/a> on the missiles. Now they say they are capable of doing that. That comes as what appears to be a test of a Nuclear Weapon<\/a>. Thats a strong show of force from the north koreans. It comes as President Trump<\/a> had a Phone Conversation<\/a> with the japanese Prime Minister<\/a> abe talking about what they could do to put pressure on north korea. They talked about diplomatic isolation. They talked about economic\rsanctions. As we have heard from will ripleys reporting in north korea, that doesnt seem to have an effect. In fact, it has a reverse effect where it galvanized them to achieve their goal of having an advanced Nuclear Program<\/a> for what they say is a deterrent to what they perceive as Western Aggression<\/a> which the United States<\/a> and south korea says is laughable because they say the only thing they are doing is defensive measures. These drills we saw this last week, they say they are just defensive measures as a show of force. But they say all the drills that are conducted, all the military exercises conducted between the two countries, they are a defensive posture. Thats not seen as that way in north korea. So you have a lack of understanding really with the United States<\/a> just having the reverse effect. Really now were watching what china has to say about this latest development. Really, they are the big player in the region that we havent\rheard from. China, thats where eyes are are going to be looking at, too, to see what their response is to this latest perceived nuclear test. Stand by for us. I want to bring in Rick Francona<\/a> whos joining us there from oregon. You heard in this moment as we wait for confirmation as to whether or not this was a nuclear test, all eyes will be on china. If the moment comes and it is indeed confirmed. What are your expectations of beijing . Thats the issue right now. Everyone has been rely on the chinese. Hoping the chinese would be the solution to this problem. It doesnt appear theyre going to be. We heard this in the past. Were going to rely on china to put more pressure on north korea. As weve heard, it just does not appear that any pressure we put\ron north korea, any pressure that china puts on north korea is going to have the desired effect. This is north koreas primary objective is to develop this Deterrent Capability<\/a> and theyre going to do it regardless of what it costs them, because they believe that once they do that, then they will have leverage against any kind of sanctions or pressure from the outside. So you know, theyre going to be playing a long game. I dont think china will do much for us. They macon dem the test, but i dont think this is going to be a game changer. I want to be clear when it comes to the situation on china. Is it your belief that its more a case of china doesnt want to do more . At the end of the day, you know, it is well documented that north korea uses chinese banks, gets\roil from china. Its an economic relationship thats so interwoven, if china really did put the pressure on north korea, they could effect change. Is that wrong headed thinking . No, no. I just dont think the chinese will do it. Its not in their interest. Theyre looking at north korea. They think we dont like whats gong on there. But if we take action, the level of that action will cause such angst and such problems in north korea that we may see a refugee crisis, internal strife. Thats something the chinese Dont Want To Dale<\/a> with. They dont like north korea and what its doing right now, but they like a stable north korea. This administration has been accused of not speaking with one voice or being on the same page when it comes to north korea. The likes of Rex Tillerson<\/a> have erred on statements of were not seeking regime change. Diplomacy is not off the table. Do you think discordance has kind of given a message to north korea that they could proceed with this possible test and with continued testing of missiles . They hear one thing from the president and then they hear Something Different<\/a> from the secretary of state and the secretary of defense. Those three will tell you theyre all on the same page, but when youre reading what theyre saying and youre a north korean analyst with not all the understanding of the nuances of american politics, you may think that theres division there. And that might embolden you. Now is the time for continue with the program and to achieve that goal before they get their act together. Is now the time for more Hash Rhetoric<\/a> from President Trump<\/a> of the fire and fury strain that we heard a couple of weeks ago, if this was indeed a sixth test. Is this the moment where that kind of response is necessary. Are you for one saying if theres a sixth test that needs to be dialled back and Behind The Scenes Backdoor Interaction<\/a> or, i wont say negotiation because there isnt one. But at least attempts to reign in north korean need to be stepped up. I favor the backdoor approach. I dont think this public titfortat really gets us anywhere. It just ratchets up the rhetoric and it destabilizes what stability is in the region. But it also destabilizes our allies around the world. I want to go back to adam for a second. Hes still with us from d. C. I want to ask him, adam is a Senior Fellow<\/a> with certain for american progress. Let me give you a full introduction once again, adam. To that point, is now the time for more fierce rhetoric from this administration, do you want to see more of that . Would that have any positive effect if indeed this was a sixth nuclear test . Theres no evidence that american rhetoric affects north koreas propensity to test whatsoever. Throughout the spring donald trump and his administration have tried to ramp up the rhetoric. You heard these fire and fury threats and a variety of others. Hr mcmaster, for example, said that north korea cannot be\rdeterred. The implication is that he would want to strike before north korea really consolidated this icbm capability. Those statements are not helpful. They have not kept north korea from testing and i see no rejoon for doing so in the future. All they do is manufacture a dries sis, to try to ramp up the pressure and north korea just feeling it. Adam, talk to us about the propaganda value, if you will, of such a test. Within north korea itself, the value to kim jongun. As you heard from the reporting, north korean citizens are enthralled by these Nuclear Tests<\/a> and Missile Tests<\/a>. Each one is treated like a National Triumph<\/a> of. So every test does strengthen the leaders hand with his\rpopulation. But also within the kabal of leaders, generals, Military Officers<\/a> that surround him. Theyre important for him to maintain control. So following your line of thinking, kim jongun needs these tests for his own internal survival and cohesion of this country. Right. And thats one more reason we should be skeptical that any kind of rhetorical statement from the United States<\/a> could cause him to give them up. Why moving Aircraft Carriers<\/a> into the region or b1 bomber overflights could force north korea to fold and acquiesce to american pressure and volunteer to eliminate their nuclear arsenal. Theyre simply too important for the survival of the regime. Theyre too valuable internally. And theyre useful for sending a deterrence signal to the United States<\/a> and its allies. These are not capabilities that north korea is going to want to give up easily. 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