Could have survived, its our daughter. Just like every flight 17 family, they dont know the for sure if their loved ones body has been recovered. Their frustration, even their flickering hope that somehow, shes alive. Hello, im jim sciutto filling in again for jake tapper and beginning today with our world lead. Two major stories calling into question how much of the world is actually safe to fly over anymore. With trauma still fresh after a passenger plane was shot out of the sky over ukraine, the u. S. Government is now banning all flights to and from israels main airport for 24 hours. The reason one of the thousands of rockets launches by hamas from gaza struck about a mile from Ben Gurion Airport near tel aviv. Hamas controls gaza. Israels socalled iron dome is highly effective against the rockets but not foolproof. We dont want to the equate hamass rocket capabilities with the sophisticated Missile System that shot down flight 17 or the Technology Israel is using to battle hamas, but if one of those rocks met a passenger airplane even on the ground, it could feel like flight 17 all over again. Israel gets more tourists from the United States than anywhere else in the world. More than 26,000 last year alone. Wolf blitzer is standing by live in jerusalem. Wolf, as American Airlines canceled flights there, now other International Carriers, i wonder if people in israel, americans and others are feeling trapped because they cant fly out. Well, theyre not feeling trapped yet. Teleal, the Israeli National airline are flying to europe, to asia, theyre flying to the United States. Not all of the International Carriers have canceled flights. Theres some till operating. But youre right, a lot of morning european airlines, the threeu. S. Airlines have all canceled flights at least for 24 hours. Well see what happens then. Look, there had been a serious cutback in tourism over the past couple weeks in any case as rockets and missiles came in from gaza. The sirens were going off. All of a sudden, a lot of trips to israel were canceled. Hotels opened up, flights became vacate to begin with. Now its only intensifying. Dont forget, this happens a day after the state department issued a travel advisory warning that u. S. Citizens should go to israel only if its really essential, not essential travel to israel and the west bank they said is not recommended, certainly no travel to gaza is recommended. So this is a bad time as far as the travel industry in israel is concerned. The tourism industry. Its a win if you will, and israelis are pointing out theyre pretty angry about this faa decision and the decision of the u. S. And international airlines. They say its a win for hamas. Last week hamas was warning international aircraft, dont come to israel or tel aviv. Youll be in danger. The israelis said dont worry, there wont be any danger. Now they got lucky, hamas with one rocket hitting a mile or so from ben pooh gurion and causing airlines to reconsider their flights for now. I do think, jim, that what happened to the Malaysia Flight 17 certainly is in the back of the minds if not the front of the minds of a lot of aircraft airliners and the faa. They want to err on the side of caution. With rockets coming in near Ben Gurion Airport, they said maybe its best for u. S. Carriers and others not to fly in. I wonder what kind of threat do these missiles which are clearly much less sophisticated than the system that brought down the malaysian flight, what kind of threat do they pose to a plane . Are they guided or would it have to be in effect a lucky strike . It would have to be a very lucky strike. Hamas over the past few weeks launched more than 2,000 rockets and missiles into israel. When israel detects them going towards a populated area or sensitive area, this he launch their iron dome antiMissile System that, would about 85 to 90 of the time. If its going to an open field area, they dont bother with the iron dome. In this particular case, that rocket was going, as you correctly point out, towards Ben Gurion Airport, clearly a target of hamas. They got lucky the dome didnt pick it up and it destroyed one house nearby. It caused some jitters for delta. That flight 468 from new york, jfk to tel aviv was on the way. As it was passing greece, it made a quick u turn back to paris and didnt come to tel aviv. Now we know why. Theyre shutting down that airport has long been a goal of hamas. Something of a step forward there from their perspective i imagine declaring victory. Wolf blitzer, well see you at the top of the next hour for the situation room. Turning now to flight 17 and the victims families in the middle of an excruciating way to learn if their loved one remains have even been found. Officials now say at least 200 bodies have been recovereded but 298 people were on board. Sorting out the victims identities and forensic testing of bodies will have to wait till theyre finally returned to the netherlands where this flight originated. The flight first transport of those bodies is expected to arrive there tomorrow. The remains have been in kharkiv ukraine, they were moved there by train from the crash area which is in a region of Eastern Ukraine controlled by prorussian rebels. Our Senior International correspondent Nick Paton Walsh is in kharkiv, ukraine where the grim journey is about to continue. Nick, how many bodies were on the train and the timeline when theyre finally going to be identified to give families really the closure theyve been waiting for . Jim, lets deal first of all with the numbers. We dont know the definitively how many bodies that were on the train that arrived at the railway station. The bodies in the words of one official being repackaged so they can be transported back to amsterdam. The rebels have suggested about 282 intact bodies were on that train. And 87 body parts. Those are figures echoed by a Malaysian Security official on the train himself who spoke to me earlier. Heres where the confusion begins. Dutch Officials Say they have a reliable source saying only about 200 were put on that train. They so far think thats the number they may eventually find. They havent been through all five rev rated carriages, only managed to unpack the first and moving onto the second. But theres a potential discrepancy there. The real difficulty here when you have an air crash, peoples remains sadly scattered over a huge area and even in well advanced countries its hard to comb through fine enough to get all the remains together and work out who was who. This is the difficulty in the days ahead. They have to move all these bodies back to amsterdam. That will take till friday, the first leaving tomorrow 11 00 local time flying back to amsterdam. They have to wait till friday and then begin intense testing to work out whos who. There could be suggestions not all of them were on that train. That could be the real fear for relatives waiting anxiously for news. Unless air crashes you have to accept the possibility that some of the remains are not intact. I wonder where you are, nick, as us see this. Just in the way the bodies are being treated, the way theyre being transported, the condition they are as transported in the bags. Do you have a sense theyre being treated both carefully and most importantly for families respectfully from what youve seen . Well, ive not been to the crash site myself but there were suggestions owing to the fact there is a civil war raging there. They may not have been given all the dignity normally afforded in peacetime. Speaking to the official who traveled on the train, he spoke of in his mind a good atmosphere. He didnt feel threatened by separatist militants before or after. When they arrived all full measures can be given to give them as much dignity as possible. The dutch flying coffins in from amsterdam and putting what they have into the coffins for the flight. A lengthy labor intensive process perhaps designed to compensate for what happened near the crash site and how awkward and in many ways tragic that must have been for those who observed it. When a crash like this happens, the wreckage scattered over a 14 kilometer area. Thats why its so hard for investigators to answer how many bodies theyve managed to recover because they may not get access back to the crash site. Theres a war going on here at the same time. Nick paton walsh on this next grim sad stage in the coverage of mh17. Thanks very much. In the wake of a passenger plane being shot out of the sky and this news that airlines are suspending operations into and out of tel aviv and israel, a lot of travelers are probably asking is it safe right now to fly over any troubled region in the globe. I want to mike in michael chertoff. He now, would in the private sector as the executive chairman and cofounder of the chertoff group. Thank you for joining us very much. As you look at the response in israel to this one rocket getting close to the airport, is it your sense that the two incidents are connected . That israel, American Airlines would not have taken this step had there not been the shootdown of mh17 a few days ago highlighting the danger of air strikes against civil aeration . Jim, i think it was the prudent thing to do, and i think they probably would have done it anyway. Im sure the message was not lost that when a missile hits a plane, even if its kind of a rarity, its horrible consequence. So i think that in a sense the Malaysia Airline incident must have reinforced the importance of being better safe than sorry. No question. I think travelers would appreciate that. In fact, lots of questions in Eastern Ukraine why other airlines werent making the same decision that some made to not fly over that region. I wonder now, if you were in the Obama Administration as you were in the bush administration, the sad fact is, there are many war zones across the world. Many of which aircraft regularly fly over. They regularly fly over syria, iraq, afghanistan. What kind of conversations would you be having with the president now with the faa, and what would you recommend to the president . Would you recommend we look at this flight path were showing right now showing all these planes going over war zones and saying we have to rethink this . Well, lets separate two kinds of missile threats to aircraft. One is what we saw over the ukraine which was a quite sophisticated missile with a range that exceeded 30,000 feet. And thats obviously something thats capable of bringing down an aircraft at cruising altitude. That is not normally what one sees in the hands of terrorists. There have been a couple of occasions in the last 20 years where for some reason or another, it was an accident and a plane was brought down. But i would not think thats the really serious issue here. I think the bigger issue is what do you do about parts of the world where the airport itself is the in an insecure area. That means a plane coming down to land or taking off or the airport itself might come under attack by a less sophisticated weapon. There are less sophisticated weapons in the hands of terrorists. We know there are shoulderfired antiair missiles that got out from gadhafis libya and spread about in other parts of the world. My focus would be more on the destination city and the safety of that airport than it would be cruising altitude. You bring up a good question there because until last thursday when mh17 was taken down by this sophisticated High Altitude surfacetoair missile, what you just described was the focus of officials. The shoulder fired missile, getting a plane on takeoff and landing, a rocket coming close to the airport, not something that could hit at High Altitude. Other security analysts made the point to me these longrange surfacetoair missiles are not just in Eastern Ukraine. The syrians have them. Its possible isis could get their hands on Something Like that. Did mh17 put us in a new era of the threat to Civil Aviation with the possibility that others could get their hands on this kind of Missile System . Well, it suggests anytime youre dealing with an ungoverned state that has access to very sophisticated missiles like High Altitude antiaircraft missiles, do you have an increased risk. I want to put it in perspective. Its still much less than the risk that we face when were dealing with an area that has an insecure airport where there are many more different kinds of threats to aircraft. While i think obviously if youre flying over syria, youre flying over lebanon where hezbollah has missiles, you want to bear that in mind. The larger issue will be those parts of the world where the airport itself is situated in a dangerous location. And you make a good point. I dont want to exaggerate the threat to viewers either. There are threats and there are threats. Clearly in some of these war zones, theres a much greater threat than elsewhere. In light of what we learned after the situation in Eastern Ukraine, some airlines are in fact changing flight patterns and avoid that area now. What would you recommend to americans who are taking an International Flight in the coming days . Should they look at the map and say perhaps ask their airline if they have any concerns over some of the countries theyre flying over or should they rely on regulators to make rem additions to the airlines . You know, i think we should note the faa had anticipated the problem in ukraine and had recommended Airlines Avoid it. You know, obviously people are going to be concerned and interested. I dont know that i would pepper the airlines with questions because i know, im quite confident and frankly i do work with the Airline Industry that they are very, very focused on this issue. What i would think travelers should ask themselves is about the destinations theyre going to. Because thats where some of the security is not in the hands of the airline. Its not in the hands of the u. S. Government. Its in the hands of the host country. Weve seen attacks on airports in karachi, pakistan, fighting around tripoli and, of course, weve seen rockets aimed at tel aviv. Thats suggests thats where the greater vulnerability is and where frankly i would focus my attention as a traveler. Thats fair advice. Thats where the homeland begins, which is even where americans travel. Thanks very much, mr. Secretary. Coming up on the lead, theyve been suspect number one since flight 17 went down. Why have prorussian rebels been allowed to basically camp out at the campsite without any International Intervention . Plus, did a couple of reporters just find evidence of what brought down the plane . Well have the answer after this. Ate to severe Crohns Disease is tough, but ive managed. I got to be pretty good at managing my symptoms, except that managing my symptoms was all i was doing. When i finally told my doctor, he said my crohns was not under control. 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We still dont know the for sure who is just behind this crime, those same separatists are parcelling out evidence bit by bit to investigators, he even the bodies. There were fears theyve tampered with the wreckage and with so many questions, just when will the u. S. , ukraine and the world do more to change that . From leaders in australia. What we have seen is evidence tampering on an industrial scale. To the uk. Compounded by sickening reports of looting of victims possessions and interference with the evidence. To ukraine where mh17 now lies scattered in pieces. This is barbarian style. International outrage is mounting. Fury at the thought of a commercial airliner being shot out of the sky and at the prorussian rebels now lording over the wreckage. What exactly are they trying to hide . So far though aside from voicing anger, no country has taken significant action to wrest control of the site f