The fbi says they still do not know who did it, but the sony studios hacking has produced more drama than their film. So what alist actress was written off in an internal email as a minimally talented spoiled brat . Captions by vitac www. Vitac. Com good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to the lead. Im jake tapper. Fallout from the torture report and first well go to the money lead and the markets which have just closed, free falling. The dow down more than 250 points today. Lets go to allisison kosik. Shes live at the stock exchange. Allison, this is three days in a row that stocks have slipped. Whats going on . Guess who you can blame . You can blame oil prices. In fact, oil getting crushed, closing below 61 is a barrel and closing down Energy Stocks and taking the rest of the market with it. A couple of reports that came out sparked the selloff and not only with oil, and the latest Weekly Oil Report showing us a surprise jump in u. S. Crude supplies and opecs monthly report came out today forecasting that there will be less demand for oil and this is a situation of supply 101. If theres more supply, prices will fall and its all leaving investors wondering what it means for the Global Economy. Drivers are enjoying lower prices. Whats the worry about . You have oftors wrestling with a lot of questions like whats really behind this decline in oil prices . Is it mostly because of more supply of oil or lack of demand because of Economic Activity slowing down in europe and asia. So what you really saw happen today was really this fear creep in as concern grows that the culprit of Falling Oil Prices is less demand because of slowing economies and oil may wind up being a leading indicator of whats to come for the Global Economy and it frankly, spooked investors today, jake. Alison kosik in new york. Now to the national lead. If tuesdays torture report caused something of an earthquake. Today were feeling the aftershocks. Troops, american troops around the world and National Security officials and Law Enforcement here at home bracing for retaliation to the grim revelations in the report, today on twitter and message board, radical islamists calling for attacks against americans and westerners everywhere. The Site Intelligence Group which monitors jihad is on the web claims that the report has ignited an overwhelming response, but we should note those calls for violence have not yet spilled on to the streets. While the white house today steadfastly refused to say if torture at any time worked, the program did produce real intelligence, intelligence that helped stop terror plots. Intel jens that could not and would not have been obtained any other way. Of course, want everyone agrees. A democratic member of the Senate Intelligence committee did not hold back. Senator mark udall again calling for john brennan to resign before going after the Obama Administration for cooperating only when forced. In nearly a 50minute diatribdi he said the company is still lying to the american people. So while the study clearly shows that the cias detention and Interrogation Program itself was deeply flawed, the deeper more endemic problem lies in a cia assisted by a white house that continues to try to cover up the truth. Here now to talk about the report, republican senator from arizona, john mccain. Hes also the Ranking Member of the Senate Arms Services committee and author of a brand new book. 13 soldiers, a personal history of americans at war. Thanks for joining us as always. Youre one of the few republicans in the Senate Backing this report passed largely by democrats in the Intelligence Committee. More importantly, as a former vietnam p. O. W. , youre the only person in the senate who has actually experienced torture. What do your republican colleagues do not get . Well, i think they are concerned that this information could somehow harm american interests. They believe that the information has been biassed to some degree. They make the complaint that there was no no people were interviewed. Some of the concerns were legitimate. Obviously, we would have liked to have seen bipartisan agreement and even the most steadfast opponents admit that things that we outlawed and the legislation of mine and the detainee treatment act that outlawed this kind of behavior and it was already in violation of the geneva conventions not only that we observe, but we largely wrote. Right. So why do you think there have not been any repercussions for the people who did this . For instance, there is a cia operative mentioned in the report who killed a detainee in custody . Do you think that operative should be punished . I dont know, jake. I dont know enough about the circumstances and all of that, and i am not on the Intelligence Committee. All i know is the fundamental principle that this issue is not about them. Its about us. Its about what kind of nation we are and what our standards of behavior are and theyre not of isis who we see cutting off peoples heads in the most gruesome manner. So its hard for me to get into the details of who should be held responsible and who shouldnt. What i want to do is make sure that we never do it again because it diminishes us as a nation and it diminishes us morally. Senator bob kerry, former senator democrat from nebraska said that congress is letting itself off the hook, that there were members of congress, the Senate Intelligence committee and the house Intelligence Committee who have been briefed on these methods and the suggestion has been made by many of the cias defenders out there that congress is acting all shocked when basically congress had an idea that a lot of the stuff was going on. What do you think about that . Well, i dont know what to think because i dont know what they know and what they didnt know, but i will tell you this, the Vice President of the United States came to see me and then director of the cia, general hayden came to see me also and i steadfastly said no. I do not agree and do not support in any way using these, quote, techniques, unquote. Now, the argument that torture is immoral which is the argument youre making is a strong one, whats more dispute side whether or not its effective in 2011, as you know, the director of the cia leon panetta at the time wrote, some of the detainees who provided information had been subjected to enhanced interrogation techniques and whether they were the only timely and effective way when it came to the information to detention and capture of bin laden cannot be established. I know that when then director of the cia cant establish it then its pretty hard to do. I do know that from any experience with this kind of treatment that if someone is subjected to enough physical pain that person will say whatever is necessary in order to make that pain stop and thats why theres also a wealth of misinformation that comes out of people who are being subjected to it. And i dont again, im not on the Intelligence Committee and i dont know the details and i do know if you water board somebody 183 times, thats awfully hard to explain. And i know not the waterboarding, but the idea of torture is something that you know first hand from your time in vietnam. Senator john mccain, thank you very much. Thank you for your service, sir. Thank you, jake. There is the other side of the torture debate and enhanced inter gagsz techniques were legal and they saved american lives. One man who is defending the cia today is john rizo, the former lawyer who advised the cia on its practices at the time. 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Sleep trains interest free for 3 event is ending soon. Your ticket to a better nights sleep im jake tapper and well continue our coverage of the world lead in the sprawling Senate Report that makes homers look diminutive. John rizzo is mentioned more than 200 times in the report and hes sitting across from me now. Hes the author of company man, 30 years of controversy and crisis in the cia and hes here to give the case for what the cia did during the era covered in this report. Thank you for being here. Good being here. You are mentioned 228 times including footnotes. In one of them which got some headlines, it is an internal memo that you wrote in july 2003 in which you say, quote, the white house is extremely concerned secretary of state powell would blow his stack if he were to be briefed on whats been going on. It certainly seems to suggest that the enhanced interrogation techniques or in some cases you acknowledge that those abuses became torturous, that that was kept from key members of the administration. Yeah. I mean, i saw that email the first time in, what . 11 years last night. Yeah. Now i do remember it and obviously it was my email and i wrote it and that was the sentiment expressed by some white house lawyers at that time. Isnt that messed up, though . Why would anyone want to keep it from the secretary of state . Well, look, the cia a program like this, we dont advocate keeping secrets from the secretary of state. If it were our druthers, we want as many people in the boat with us. That was certainly not cias concern or preference to keep anyone, especially the secretary of state out. Did you push back at all . Did you say we need to have as many people onboard . This is a policy change were doing . We did. Im going on memory here. The email refreshed some of it, but as i recall, we went back and said weve always briefed secretary of state on covert action programs and in fact, secretary powell was briefed and as it turned out he did not blow his stack. I want to ask about another quote. This is an interesting one. In june 2003 president obama released a statement in support of victims of torture. The president said the u. S. Was committed to the worldwide elimination of torture and called for prosecuting all acts of torture and says that american detainees and prisoners are treated humanely. The very next day according to this report you called the white house lawyers to express concern and to maybe get a reaffirmation that the techniques by the cia are okay. Isnt that an acknowledgement that the u. S. Was engaging in torture . No. I think its what any, i suppose, responsible lawyer in my position who has a client, the cia. Yeah. Wants to protect his client and ebb sure that the client is on solid legal ground, and when i saw that statement, frankly, i saw the word humane. By that time i had the justice memo saying the program did not constitute torture, but honestly, jake, the word humane, im not schooled in these kinds of its humanely that it was more than the torture. Thats why i went back just to make sure that the white house wasnt putting us in a vulnerable position or saying something that would, frankly, leave cia out in the lurch. Thats why i did that. The report also says that of the 119 known detainees, at least 26 were wrongfully held and did not meet the detention standard and that included cia informants and an intellectually challenged man. That makes it sound like the cia was not only torturing bad guys like ksm or abu zubaida, but inon sent people. Youre using the word torture and i would dispute that the people in enhanced Interrogation Program, that was harsh, brutal tactic. Youre not disputing that the forcefeeding people rectally is torture. No, absolutely not. Those were abuses. The system was not perfect. There were abuses along the way. Its more than abuses. They were abhorrent. Im not going to contest that. It sounds like innocent people, not just bad guy, innocent people were subjected to this torture or enhanced interrogation methods. No. I can tell you, no innocent people were exposed to under the enhanced Interrogation Program. I think, again, what this report might be alluded to, there were other categories of prisoners and not in the enhanced Interrogation Program. It was among those prisoners that there was unfortunately some abuse and they were not in the socalled black sites they were in other facilities, but, sure. I will not i will not dispute the fact that there were abuses, some very serious abuses which we, the cia, when we found out our people had gone beyond the limit reported them to the department of justice for possible criminal action. None of those people were punished . They all stayed on the cia payroll. No, i dont think thats true. Is that in the report . I have not seen that. I havent seen any evidence that anybody who was responsible for what some people were war crimes and you will acknowledge were not permitted even people who permitted the waterboarding did not permit the rectal rehydration. I havent seen any evidence that any of those people were punished. In fact the only person i know that was punished in the cia is the guy who leaked information from the torture is john kir yack on who is in prison for leaking and not torture. He was the subject of a separate segment. There were several cia employees who went over the line, who were punished administratively, asked to resign, sanctioned one way or the other, and the fact that you havent seen that is im just materieling you that thats what happened. There was one employee, a contractor, actually who was criminally prosecuted for assault. So so, the notion that people got away scotfree with committing these abuses is just mistaken. Were almost out of time, but i do want to ask you, when you read this report and you go back to that day, those days, i know that the cia was under tremendous pressure and i know the cia was doing that people felt needed to be done to save lives and i understand the context and i understand that congress and the public were not so outraged at the time they wanted to be protected, but when you look back at the abuses and things that you acknowledge were abuses, are you embarrassed . Does it bother you . Well, im embarrassed and still disgusted with my colleagues who abide by the abuses, but the abuses were occasional. They were not the defining feature of the program. The program went on for seven years. How can you how can you say that waterboarding is not torture . Im really confused by that because it just seems its a mock execution. The person cant breathe. Why is it not torture . Well, listen, a lot of people feel that way, and i understand that, of course, thats torture. Jake, im a lawyer. Torture is legally defined in the u. S. Statute. At the time i had mercifully had never had exposure to the torture statute because the cia had never done anything that even came close. I went to the department of justice in a time of Great National crisis. They issued memos back to me called the torture memos. Those memos and theyre all public now concluded after laying out specifically what the techniques were going to be that they did not meet the torture standard. I accepted that as a legal determination and i believe back then, and i believe it today, the program, the authorized program and the actual techniques that were authorized, i do not believe they were harsh, they were brutal. I still do not believe they reached the legal threshold of torture. All right. John rizzo, thank you so much. I appreciate you coming and answering the questions as uncomfortable as they might have been. Thats fine. Slow motion images, dramatic mus music, isis is out with more videos. Exactly what can american intelligence gain from this propaganda, well ask one man who tracks the terrorist group. And the question of the year still unanswered, what in the world happened to Malaysia Airlines flight 370 . Well, well tell you about a new rule that could help prevent another case like it. Hello. Im an idaho potato farmer and our big idaho potato truck is still missing. So my buddy here is going to help me find it. Here we go. Woo who, woah, woah, woah. 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