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CNNW The Lead With Jake Tapper April 3, 2015

Sped the plane up before slamming into a mountain with 149 innocent lives on board. What other secrets are in this newly discovered black box . And the National Lead. He says his boat was dead in the water and flipped three times, but he held on broken shoulder and all. The amazing story of a fisherman found after 66 days lost at sea. But some skeptics out there wonder if this is a fishtale. Good afternoon. Welcome to the lead. Im jake tapper. We begin today with the world lead. Depending upon whom you ask in washington, d. C. Right now, this is either an offramp from a path to war or its the hov lane. One day after negotiators in switzerland announced a preliminary agreement between the u. S. And other major world powers with iran over its Nuclear Program, irans president vowed that iran can quote, cooperate with the world despite what many would say is a decadeslong track record of doing the exact opposite. Of course the country with perhaps the most to lose if it turns out that iran has played the world is israel. Prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu repeating today the concern he expressed in front of the u. S. Congress not long ago, saying this framework would quote, threaten the very survival of his country. Lets talk about this. Joining me is the u. S. Energy secretary, earnest monice one of the high level negotiators at the table with iran. Mr. Secretary, its an honor. Thank you for being here. Here is president obama at a debate in 2012. The deal well accept is they end their Nuclear Program. Its very straightforward. Now, this deal does not end their Nuclear Program. They get to keep thousands of centrifuges, some of their stock pile of uranium fuel and they continue to enrich uranium so this isnt ending the Nuclear Program as he promised. What it ends is all the pathways the a bomb. There are multiple pathways uranium pathways plutonium pathways covert pathways. What we have agreed to we are very confident will let us see any violation quickly, give us plenty of time to respond and effectively close off those pathways. We are much better off with this deal than we would be without it. I want to also play this clip from that same debate. Our goal is to get iran to recognize it needs to give up its Nuclear Program and abide by the u. N. Resolutions that have been in place. The u. N. Resolutions. Heres one of them. From 2006 adopted by vote 141 demanded that iran suspend all enrichment related and reprocessing activities including research and development. This framework doesnt honor the promises that the president made to the American People. First of all, the processing pathway is in effect closed off. Not the research and development. There will be ongoing r d, substantially modified from their plans, and quite significant caps on what they are doing. Again, the key is that the four pathways identified to a bomb we have blocked all of those pathways for a considerable period of time. This is going to be a time of building up we hope of building up some level of confidence in the World Community that iran is in fact committed to only peaceful uses of Nuclear Energy. We dont have to spend the whole time talking about the fact that this deal doesnt meet the promises the president made but can you explain why you were not able to reach them . It was just impossible . The iranians wouldnt go along with what the president promised an end to the Nuclear Program . The iranians again have building up a program with nuclear power. They are committed to Nuclear Energy in their view. The goal here is in the very long term and it will be quite awhile if they demonstrate and earn the trust and confidence of the international community, then they can behave as what you might call a normal Nuclear Energy country within the framework of the Nuclear Nonproliferation treaty enhanced by the Additional Protocol which means additional transparency in what they are doing. The iranians put out their own talking points. The white house put out theirs. Iran has put out theirs in farsi. Heres a translation. One part says quote, none of the Nuclear Facilities or related activities will be stopped, shut down or suspended and Irans Nuclear activities in all of its facilities will continue guaranteeing the continuation of the enrichment program. Guaranteeing that the iranians will continue to enrich uranium. Can you not see why israel and saudi arabia and other countries that dont want iran to have Uranium Enrichment Program permitted would not like this deal . Again, the issue of their having some level of enrichment has been decided for quite some time. The issue here is we have had a twothirds reduction, a 97 reduction in the stock pile of uranium. Its a huge issue. In addition to minimizing enrichment levels. So again, we committed to having essentially an instantaneous shift from a current twomonth breakout time two to three months perhaps, to at least a year for at least ten years. This is providing security for us and we believe for sure our friends and allies. But if this was the deal that could be achieved why was president obama in 2012 promising such a stronger deal for the west than what was able to be achieved . The issue is where we are today and what we can do to assure our security and that of or friends and allies. This deal i think so far, the reactions to it have been that it is really passed any expectations in terms of its specificity. This is not leaving big loopholes. Its a specific set of commitments that will be enshrined in the next three months leading to the agreement and it enhances all of our security. The framework of the deal was silent on the fate of some americans being held prisoner in iran. A journalist a christian pastor former u. S. Marine plus of course missing fbi agent robert levenson. Whats your message to their families . I realize you are the energy secretary, not secretary of state, but you are part of the negotiating team. Nou you know this came up. What is your message to the families who were hoping that this was the last chance that they could get their loved ones home . First of all, secretary kerry did indeed i can assure you, carried through on that commitment. What i want to emphasize is this negotiation was intentionally restricted to the nuclear issue. Get the nuclear bomb issue off the table, we hope for a long time. That has other implications. For example, things like arms embargoes, Ballistic Missile sanctions, those stay in place. Strictly focused on the nuclear issues. Secretary, we appreciate your coming. Thank you so much. Lets hear from the other side of this. Republican senator tom cotton of arkansas from the Armed Services committee, veteran of the wars in iraq and afghanistan, one of the strongest critics of this framework deal, joins me now. Senator cotton your reaction to what the secretary just said. Jake he is an imminent nuclear physicist, one of the leading Nuclear Physicists in our country but this is not his deal. This was president obamas deal. He was acting on president obamas direction. What we saw yesterday was not a deal, not a framework, just a detailed list of american concessions that puts iran on the path to a Nuclear Weapon. Whether they follow the terms announced yesterday or whether they violate the terms announced yesterday. Thats dangerous for america, dangerous for the world. You heard president obama say yesterday that the options are this deal or the status quo or war. Whats your take . The president likes to accuse his opponents of making false choices but thats the ultimate false choice. What is the option here . This is the deal on the table. First we have to remember how we got here. The president let iran off its knees after sanctions had driven them to the negotiating table to begin with in 2013. One of the very key deals or key points not announced yesterday is when sanctions will be relaxed. The president and secretary kerry said it will be phased but irans leaders say it will be immediate. Thats why this deal may still not be consummated by june. But the alternatives to this deal is a better deal with continued pressure through the credible threat of military force. And more sanctions. And if necessary, having to take military action. So you think war, military action would be preferable to this deal . Jake the president again likes to present a false choice. You just talked about military action though. Theres lots of kinds of military action. December 1998 bill clinton waged four days of aerial and naval bombardment of iraq specifically against their weapons of mass destruction program, because they werent following u. N. Security Council Resolutions and they were interfering with u. N. Weapons inspectors. Exactly what iran has been doing, and much worse. Theres a big difference from what you saw so you would support theoretically air strikes against their Nuclear Facilities over taking this deal . Thats exactly what Samantha Powers said a couple weeks ago. Thats what the president has said all along. The difference is that we need to be serious about the credible threat of military force. Again, theres a big difference between what say i saw in iraq in 2006 100,000 troops with heavy mechanized armor and targeted aerial and naval bombing. That has to be a credible threat thats still on the table. Otherwise our diplomacy will not be effective. Like all americans, i want to see a negotiated settlement but i want to see a negotiated settlement that stops iran from getting a Nuclear Weapon not just today and tomorrow or during this administration but 10 and 15 years from now. Whats your argument to those who say look we tried it your way during the Bush Administration there was no agreement ever reached, there were sanctions, iran was ostracized and guess what that happened during the bush years, they developed most of this Nuclear Program. And your approach only leads to them continuing this development. Its actually accelerated over the last six years in the obama administration. In part because president obama as the secretary said has separated their Nuclear Program from their behavior. Remember, the president s own state Department Says iran is the worlds leading sponsor of state terrorism. As you pointed out as the editor of the Washington Post pointed out, they are holding hostage a Washington Post reporter and an american preacher for spreading the gospel of jesus christ an american marine. They are not a normal nation. We cannot treat them as a normal nation. We certainly cannot allow them to be a Nuclear Threshold state. The president has said that if congress stops this Deal Congress and the United States will be the ones who lead to a path other than a peaceful negotiation of this problem. I would disagree. I would say that we are trying to stop iran from getting a Nuclear Weapon. There are grave reservations about the path the president has taken us down on both sides of the aisle. Just 18 months ago, when i was still in the house of representatives i voted with 400 other members of congress to impose new sanctions on iran. The president strongarmed the senate not to implement those sanctions. Moreover, just a couple weeks ago, the house of representatives said any deal must block all paths to a Nuclear Weapon. 370 members of the house of representatives signed that. Senator, im sure you agree that intelligence estimates say that the breakthrough period breakout period between iran deciding they are going to build a nuclear bomb and them having a nuclear bomb, is two to three months. What can be done in two to three months . Isnt this better isnt creating a breakout period of a year as this deal supposedly would do better than allowing them to have this two to three month breakout period which exists right now . Nothing much can be achieved in two to three months of sanctions. Again, thats one reason why we shouldnt have been negotiating from a position of weakness. We shouldnt have relaxed the sanctions. We should have increased them as the house tried to do 18 months ago so we could negotiate from strength. President obama has imposed harsher sanctions on iran than anyone else in the history. Sanctions against which he lobbied before the senate implemented them 990. What im saying is the president lobbied hard against new sanctions in 2013 and 2014 that would have only increased his bargaining leverage. But in any event, the terms announced yesterday, the former Deputy Director of the u. N. Nuclear watch dog, one of the worlds most respected experts in Nuclear Proliferation and arms control and inspection has said it wouldnt allow iran to get Nuclear Materials sufficient for a bomb in a matter of months if not weeks. So these terms are not improving anything. They are only cementing the status quo or making it even worse and therefore more dangerous. Whats next for the senate . What are you going to do . Im going to do everything i can to stop these terms from becoming a final deal. Iran may not accept them in the first place because iran has continued to string along our negotiators because in the end, the Supreme Leader of iran may not want to accept any deal with the United States. Iran is committed to the death of america. He was just chanting that publicly in tehran a couple weekends ago. But i am going to work with my colleagues in the senate and house of representatives to do everything i can to ensure there is no final deal along these terms. Such as what . Take away the president s ability to waive the sanctions which is in the law . And impose new sanctions and ensure that congress has a final up or down vote as a clear majority of the American People believe we should have. Senator tom cotton republican of arkansas hope you have a good peaceful easter with your family. We wish the same to the secretary. In other world news its amazing investigators were able to find it in the first place. 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