The days top stories from around the world, from politics and money, to sports and pop culture. Crime. Colluding about russians. You start analyzing the crime, the hacking is the crime. The hacking is the crime. The president its a sign the president s legal team is is trying move the goal posts on the probe as the investigation moves closer to President Trumps inner circle, hes trying to distance him from manafort. He was never involved in intimate Business Relationship with donald trump. The president s lawyer is doing the talking for the president on all things russia. All things Michael Chone and hes doing quite a lot of talk ing. Jake. Jeff, thanks so much. Lets talk to our experts. Laura coates, our former federal prosecutor, i want you to listen about what the crime might have been. I dont know if thats a crime. Colluding about russians. Start analyzing the crime, the hacking is the crime. The president didnt hack. Before we get to the moving of the goal posts going on here,
the issue here is if you bothered to read the indictments, Michael Flynn, Paul Manafort, going on trial this week. That was money and lying, its not cooperation with the russians. If im don jr. , Jared Kushner, im worried about money. Michael cohen talking about dirty money. Not necessarily worried about collusion. But the story that were hearing now is correct. Collusion is not a crime. That said f, if you sit down wi a russian and they offer you something of value, for example, interfering in social media lets make it, just for the sake of apologize. It would never happen in pennsylvania. Something of value from a foreign power. I wouldnt call that collusion. Id call it conspiracy. Lets think about this. So the first case we have up out of the blocks. Paul manafort. Paul manaforts case, mueller has said, hes presenting no evidence of any interaction with the russians whatsoever. This is a case about bank fraud. And money laundering. Thats the first case out of the block. But there are plenty of other cases involved that have to deal with it. There are 12 Russian Military processors. What is the connection between papadopoulos. Papadopoulos was so far in the orbit of this campaign. I can tell you, i was involved in this campaign in a more than just passing way. And papadopoulos and carter page were no longer to be seen. I think what people are having a hard time with with is last february of 2017, donald trump said we knew nothing about russia. There was nothing going on there. Now five americans have been charged with criminal charges. You have multiple russians charged. A dutch official charged. Theres more and r more coming out. This investigation is ongoing. I know its a favorite Talking Point of people who Support Trump that nothing has been found. It hasnt been concluded. Mueller has not concluded the investigation. If youre going to open, open big. You dont open, youre not going to open this has been going on for how many monmonth many m. The phrase i would use is go Big Or Go Home and in this case, mueller has not gone home and hes gotten over 300 different charnls that have been filed. I Wouldnt Conflate the issue of saying because there has not be a direct connection to donald trump, and by Robert Muellers team, does not mean there has not been clus between members of the Campaign Including people like Paul Manafort and rick gates and Michael Flynn and you have that con flags to say that nothing has happened. Paul manafort of the 35 witnesses, i mean, sure you look ed at them. Not one are are from the campaign. In that one case. You see this shifting of goal posts, you are still talking about how there was no collusion. But there are a number people,
juRudy Giuliani, darrell issa saying even if tlrks , there wa, i dont care, its no big deal. I believe it didnt happen. There is no, the Russians Meddled. Absolutely. Did the Russians Meddle in conjunction with somebody on the campaign . Maybe carter page was out in la la land some place. Right . But there was no orchestrated effort by the campaign which included the russians. I agree with a point youve raised. The idea of Paul Manafort, theres a great deal to lose. If its an unsuccessful trial, not because theres nothing there, but because people have hinged everything on somebody who was the Campaign Chairman or Donald Trumps campaign when they should, but doesnt mean theres nothing there. Just means so far jen, lease take another crack at giuliani talk iing about muellers investigation. Isnt done yet. You know how long these things take. Of course its done. If theyre looking at his tweets, its done. Obstruction by tweet on a president of the United States . I mean, first of all, the white houses official position is that tweets from President Trump who uses twitter like no one else in president ial history, that they are official statements and we have talked about this before. Potentially and official statement can be obstruction of justice. Not saying it is in this case, but it can be. Well look, i think this is always a Battle The Bhous has internationally about what President Trumps tweets mean and what they dont mean. Giuliani is like a bombastic surrogate. Hes clearly has no idea whats happening. Is not really speaking for the white house. Isnt really speaking for the investigation. So whether trumps tweets should be part of the obstruction case, i guess thats for mueller to decide. But theyre president ial statements. As an fbi official, do you think a tweet or a president ial
statement can be obstruction of justice or intimidation of witnesses or anything along those lines . I suppose so, but i think its unlikely. I think david hit the nail on the head. This is where i think the president is successful. He keeps talk iing about obstruction of justice. I dont think there will be a charge. If i had to bet in vegas, i dont think there will be charge about cooperation or conspiracy, the charges i suspect, the continued charges if there are more, will be related to money and the answer from and were see iing this in the Strategy Fm Giuliani and the president , the answer is to going to a bunch of middle class americans which i find stunning, financial fraud is sort of second rated. If you avoid tens of millions in taxes, not a Big Dealment Financial Fraud ought to be dusted off as insignificant. If you find that during the investigation, what do you say in Paul Manafort, its okay if you hid a bufshlg of money from the irs . I cant do that. Why can Paul Manafort do it. Im really surprised by that,
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this in court, not sure about that. There are a lot of observers, sport supporters of the president even who say if hes innocent, why does he act the way he does. Why is he constantly attacking the Special Counsel. Hes acting in their view, like somebody who has something to hide. Again, i think the president conflates two things. The investigation, russian meddling with attack on his legitimacy as president. I think he sees it as a front. The president was dually elected by the American People and he sees this by democrats and others to understood mine that. The president repeated wup of his Talking Point that is all of muellers investigators are angry. Hes a long time registered republican. He has asemibabled a team of 17 lawyers and dozens of fbi agents to help with this investigation. Nine of the lawyers donated to Democratic Candidates before 2017. Eight gave only the democrats what one has donated to democrats an republicans before. As we know, youre not allowed
when youre hiring people to ask them what their politics are or to look into who theyve given money to. I think the ultimate question here is is it impact how theyre doing their jobs. If not, it Doesnt Matter. Just like it Doesnt Matter if they had given to republican candidates in the past. This is about one thing. Its about questioning and delegitimizing the mueller investigation, which is an Ongoing Campaign by trump and his team. They know at some point, this is going to come to a conclusion. They need their supporters and people to rally behind them as this being a witch hunt, which is they they keep saying that and why they keep Throwing Mud Into The Pit here about whether or not this is a legitimate process. Does the fact there are prosecutors here who have made political donations, does that pother you, b troeuble you . I know some of thome them and my friends have been named in the press. These guys are serious as heart attack. So i think my experience, personal experience with them is great investigators. Let me flip the question for you. In the United States of america, we want to go into an investigation saying mr. Mueller, id like to determine who everybody voted for on your team and who they contributed to because we are going eliminate people, vowhoever voted. The only people who shacan participate in a political investigation are people who voted for the candidate . Doesnt sound like america to me. Doesnt matter whether mueller or rosenstein are affiliated. Unlike other countries, perhaps, you cant charge a Crime Baseded on a prosecutor. It has to go through a grand jury. They have to determine there are charges to bring back. If thats the case, their partisanship is not an issue and should not be held over Everything Else. Theres prosecutorial direction. The flip side is there has to be some republicans in the
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