That was substantive devastating for President Trump. The former special counsel in testifying that he did not exonerate or clear him of obstruction of justice despite trumps clap, underlined that the trump team on well come russian help. Asked about then the exuberant extolling of wikileaks, mueller said the president gave hope or some booth to a crime. Asked if the president was not 2r50u68 in the written answer being contacts with the russians, mr. Mueller said generally yes, the president was untruthful. On the substance it all painted an ugly picture, but mr. Mueller was a reluctant witness. On occasion a shaky one, and the hearings do not seem to be the momentous turning point that many House Democrats were hoping for, and as indicate lan cal loins reports for you, the you want and his allies are claiming victory. Reporter President Trump is brushing off damning assertions by Robert Mueller and touting his testimony as a victory instead. Phony cloud, thats all it was. Reporter visiting the new defense secretary at the pentagon today, as soarses say had hes clearing vindication. Excuse me, its might time. Reporter one day after the testimony felt short what was democrats were hope for and exceeded republicans expect ailing, 78 in washington are left wondering what is next . And House Speaker nancy pelosi says he wont discourage her caucus on impeachment. I never have done that, never, never have done that. Reporter but democrats are now being forced to confront the only way to beat trump may be at the ballot box in 2020. The clock is ticking. Reporter the white house is working to weaponize the outcome of muellers testimony. The real culprits have not been investigated yet. Reporter though questions reese main how triumphant the president should be. Hes repeatedly claimed the report exonerated him. Ive been totally exonerated. Reporter an assertion that mueller rejected. Thats not what the report said, is it . Correct, thats not what the record set. You could charge the president with the obstruction of justice after he left office . Yes. Reporter that sources say is irritating the president. Let me just tell you, the fact that you even asked that question, youre fake news. Now, jake, one might look at the facts of what happened yesterday and wonder how the white house can view that as a win, with mueller but people inside the white house believe they were able to effectively slow this drumbeat of beech hadnt, and with Congress Going into recess later today, they are hoping that will slow down even further. Lets chew over all of this, kiersten, theyre not focusing attentioning to the grand jury evidence, and trying to force some of the key witnesses like don mcgahn and others to testify, but lets be frank. If muellers own testimony and reports cant get a majority of the democrats to support impeachment, will anything . I think don mcgahn could be an even more interesting person to have testify. This guildup with mueller, i think it should have been expected that it wasnt going to be exactly scintillating testimony, but you look at somebody like don mcgahn, that would be more akin to what happened with the nixon impeachment. Things started to move when they heard from people like john dean, you started seeing people shifting more towards wanting impeachment. I dont think mueller was ever going to deliver that. If you did start impeachment hearings and got somebody like a don mcgahn under oath talking, it does have the po pinch ale to change things. David, youre a consultant to the trump campaign. Focusing on pennsylvania or no . Im trying to help out where i can. So do you agree with that . Do you agree that don mcgahn might change things around in the house . So i think we keep saying the movement of the goal post, wait until this mueller part comes occupy firms its the bombhell of bombshells. The report comes out crickets. Wait until he comes on the hill and testifies. He testifies crickets. I think the speaker is have smart, shes a very smart woman. She looks around, she says i have 30plus members in seats that were trump districts, and i will not be speaker if we start impeachment proceedings come two years ago from now. Thats my thinking on that. Do you think if thats what nancy pelosi is thinking, its a minority, Something Like 93, Something Like that. Its still a minority. If she wanted impeachment, she would be pushing people to come out. Im sure there are people that support it, but dont see an advantage coming out now. Why isnt she supporting it . Theres a thinking among the democrats that impeachment could end up working in President Trumps favor. I think maybe the democrats have missed their moment. They waited too long before making this case to the public in a very overt way. Didnt necessarily have to wait for the president to sign off. Why couldnt they have brought up cory ey lewandowski. Which i think for my money is the beepisode in the entire series of the Mueller Report, is the Corey Lewandowski episode. He tells lewandowski, according to lewandowski, to restrain what theyre looking into it, and then tells lewandowski, if he doesnt meet with you, that im going to fire him. And the president dictates a farce cal speech that he wants the attorney general to read and lune douse can i takes it home, sticks it in a safe where he keeps it for months. The whole story is just ripe for reenactment, but anyway, they could have found a way to do that. They may have missed that movement. In history, i think democrats will look very bad in history for not having taken the majority that they won off of opposing donald trump, and then using that majority to oppose donald trump and hold him accountable for what it is he did. What do you think . The russia fatigue is real, but the democrats should make a listen, were just going to beat him at the ballot box. I think theres compelling substance from the mueller testimony yesterday, but the democrats have to put it together. Its like theyre hoping someone to give us an easy way out of this. That is not going to happen. So pivot from what you learn from the Mueller Report and make this a referendum on Donald Trumps character. There are so many examples of the lying, the attempted obstruction of justice, the signal boosting of illegally obtained russian information. If you cant make an argument out of that, go home. I dont think they can. I think thats the problem. I dont think they can. Is this about communicators . They have just shown us how theyre going to handle it, and they have mishandled it. Even if you look at the testimony i heard a lot of people complaining about the republicans and how aggressive they were with mueller. Thats exactly what youre supposed to do, right . Theyre doing what theyre supposed to do. I found it obnoxious, but it was effective, right . They actually were getting him to stumble, he was confused. Thats what youre supposed to be doing. The democrats instead of coddling him should have been prosecutoring this, coming in, instead of with this ridiculous lets reenact something that was already in the report and were going to reread it to everybody, what was the point of that . Yesterday what we saw, then Mitch Mcconnell stanls in the way of two Election Security bills coming out of senate. He said they were partisan whatever, then offer a republican bill, for Election Security. Why isnt rick scott for democrats to have rick scott on a frying pan every day. We know the russians penetrated that States Election machinery. And rick scott did not vote for this bill, and he hasnt offered another bill he ought to put forward to protect elections . That to me is malpractice. Very quickly, david. Does President Trump think that impeachment would work to his benefits . I dont know what the president thinking one way or another, i havent had a discussion, but in the husting, you look back at the clinton administration, the clinton years. Bill clinton was impeached, and it sure didnt work well its a totally different situation. No, no, it isnt. The politics of it remain of same. They dont. The base of this party and the base of the Democratic Party but its different. The politics dont work. The democrats have never explained the why for impeachment. Every time we have a scenario, we never discuss the why. That is the problem. Remember this, bill clinton went on television and accepted responsibility for what he did wrong. Donald trump has never accepted responsibilities. We have to move on, and i want to ask a key lawmakers and wants impeachment what the next move should be . Maybe ill ask your question why, amand that. Thats next. President trump appears in front of a photoshopped president ial seal seeming to mock him as a pun pet of russia. 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Even if you were to be of the opinion that he actually didnt get to go all the way through with it, because don mcgahn didnt follow through, the intent to obstruct justice is a crime as well. Beyond that, you had his Campaign Chair and Campaign Deputy meet with a russian operative associated with the gru to hand over all kinds of polls data, not just once or twice, but over the course of 2016, to assist them in promoting the Internet Research agencys efforts with facebook and twitter. This was an effort to coordinate with the russians to intervene in the elect. I think they are very compelling, and we should be required at this point in time to take action. If we dont take action come september 1st, we should you shut it down. I feel strongly that we should, but i think were running out of time. It is true that Paul Manafort handed over polling information. I dont know that its definitive as to the reason why he did it. I dont think mueller was ever able to make a connect between handing over that polling data, but i have to move on. Political, in terms of impeachment, the majority of House Democrats disagree with you. Only a handful have come out. I think maybe once since the testimony ended. If your colleagues are not in favor now, what makes you think any will change their minds in the future. Weve had mueller testifying. What mower could change minds . Theres 94 members that have come out publicly. Theres easily another 20 to 30 that would, given the opportunity to do so. Theyre holding back, in part out of the respect to the speaker. But i would say that after going home and spending five weeks in their constituencies, if that doesnt motivate them to do it, i think we need to shut it down, because frankly none of the other work were doing is getting any traction whatsoever. We have passed over 100 bills that have been taken over to the senate where theyre lying dormant, one of which is on security of election systems. And i think im beginning to think there is an interest by some within the administration starting at the very top to allow the russians to continue to interview, because it worked out well for them in 2016. Why do you think that . Why do you think theres an interest in the Trump Administration allowing the russians to intervene . What evidence do you have for that charge . Im basing it just on the fact that they have not indicated any interest in really delphing down into this Election Security issue. There are many hackers that have hacked into election machines at defcon, which takes place in vegas every year. The president still says its a russian hoax, even when director mueller made it clear there was nothing like a hoax. In fact its a red flag that is going up, trying to alert us that we have a huge problem on our hands. So im you have of the opinion now enwe move forward ar move forward directly, or we shut 2 down. This is not productive. Take a listen to the chairman of the intelligence committee, adam schiff, speaking on cnn this morning. Does the country benefit through an impeachment if it would be unsuccessful . We know in the senate it wouldnt be successful. So im not there yet, but im keeping an open mind. The senate will control the senate through the next election. Why impeach the president if its going to fail in the senate . Because we have an obligation under the constitution of the United States to operate independently one branch or another, or one house or another. I think the American People have a right to know, and the only way theyll find out true will you if the don mcdans of the world are forced to come before the committee and testify. Outside of that, we are losing that fight. Congresswoman jackie speier, thank you for your time. Thank you. Puts the u. S. 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