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Would call their own shots. The president tweeted that states run by three democratic governors should be, quote, liberated, whatever that means. He attacked new yorks Governor Andrew Cuomo by name saying that cuomo should complain less and do more. This was governor cuomos response. First of all, if hes sitting at home and watch tv, maybe he should get up and go to work. How many times do you want me to say thank you . Thank you for doing your job . This was your role as president , okay . Well kick off Cnns Kaitlan Collins live at the white house. Kaitlan, some of these protesters in states objecting to the guidelines that both state and National Health Officials Say are saving lives, theyre also challenging republican governors. Here is one protest against Ohio Republican mike dewine from earlier this week. But President Trump is only encouraging protests against three democratic governors and pointedly, theyre in states that he wants to win in november. Reporter yeah, hes made no mistake about that. And certainly, jake, its notable because just yesterday the president was saying it is up to governors to make these decisions about when they feel its safe to reopen their states and now the president is encouraging these protesters who are pushing back at those stay at home measures. Some of them strict, that a lot of these governors have put in place. And the question is is it going to set up this broader clash where the president is encouraging these protesters to push back against these restrictions while these governors feel that they need to stay in place . After unveiling a plan to reopen the country that didnt include a National Testing strategy, President Trump is lashing out at states and telling them to expand testing on their own. Trumps phased approach at reopening the nation doesnt address the concerns he heard about testing from governors, business executives, and lawmakers in recent days. Despite that, trump said some states could reopen by the end of the month or even earlier. Its up to the governors. Reporter new york Governor Andrew Cuomo said his state wouldnt be able to fully reopen without federal help. Help on testing, because states cant do that. Reporter trump tweeted before cuomo even finished speaking, telling him to spend more time doing and less time complaining. And the president accused i am. Never thanking the federal government. Cuomo fired back almost instantly. First of all, itf hes sittig home watching tv, maybe he should get up and go to work, right . Reporter cuomo says hes been appreciative. How many times do you want me to say thank you . Im saying thank you for doing your job. This was your role as president. Reporter less than a day after trump told governors it was up to them when states reopened, he embraced protesters in three states who rallied against their governors stayathome orders. We want to come back may 1st. Reporter trump tweeted that minnesota, michigan, and virginia should be liberated. All three states have democratic governors and are considered battlegrounds for the november election. Jake, as you can see from the videos, a lot of these protesters are the president s own supporters. Theyre wearing his shirts, waving his flags, and he acknowledged yesterday that there are people in those groups that like him and that listen to him when he says when he tells them essentially guidance of what to do. He dodged a question yesterday, now hes tweeting that these states should be liberated. We should note one of the governors is responding, thats michigan governor Gretchen Whitmer, who said today she hopes the president s tweets do not incite more protests in her state and says anyone with a platform should be using it to encourage people, not the way the president is using his today. All right, kaitlan collins, thanks so much. Governors are announcing their next steps after President Trump released his reopening guidelines. I want to bring in cnns nick watt in los angeles. Nick, most governors make it clear they will need help from the federal government with testing and more in order to reopen. Reporter absolutely, jake. They need the help with testing because number one, theyre going to need to keep track of this virus once we start to reopen. And they also need testing to meet those guidelines laid down by the president , a flurry of governor activity today. We had newsom here in california advising other governors, dont play politics. Governor whitmer in michigan saying we will reengage our economy when its safe. Governor murphy in new jersey saying if youre mad, if you want someone to blame, blame me, it is on me. It is also increasingly clear today that we have looked pretty similar, 97 of us across the country under stayathome orders, pretty clear that moving forward we will begin to look very different in different places. This afternoon, in jacksonville, florida, theyre reopening beaches and parks. With some restrictions. Folks, this can be the beginning of the pathway back to normal life. But please respect and follow these limitations. Reporter the president says 29 states now in the ball game to open relatively soon. Perhaps utah. Definitely in the next couple of weeks we believe certain parts of the economy can be opened. Reporter utah has less than 3,000 confirmed cases. Massachusetts, more than 32,000 cases. Theres no doubt that massachusetts continues to see an uptick in new cases, tests, and unfortunately, fatalities. Reporter in texas, state parks will open monday, a week from now, stores can open for pickup only. But School Classrooms are closed for the remainder of the 20192020 school years. Reporter governors, not the president , will be calling the shots. We must get this right because the stakes are very high. When we open things up, can we expect a spike . We hope not. But it wont shock us if that occurs. What well see is an establishment, a venue, a locale. Reporter some saying were just not there yet. You have to develop a Testing Capacity that does now exist. We cannot do it without federal help. Reporter West Virginia wants to test every single resident and staff member in the states nursing homes. Mississippi just extended its stayathome order another week. I hoped and i prayed we would be there based on their metrics. Were just not there yet. Reporter reopening will be regional. Opening some states and not others, its a little bit like, you know, as somebody said to me, like having a ping section of the swimming pool. Reporter some neighboring states are coordinating a new bloc formed in the middle of the country. There is no vaccine yet, no proven therapeutics. But remdesivir, designed to fight ebola, apparently now showing promise in covid19 trials. Weve had a lot of our patients improving and going home. And i think that were all really pleased to see that. Its hard to know at this point if thats relate to the drug or not. Reporter lets not forget, there are still thousands of Health Care Workers on the front lines. We have a lot of sick patients. Reporter still, so many lives in the balance. And we have a lot of young patien patients. This patient is unfortunately on the verges being intubated. Were trying to save her. Reporter im at l. A. X. Today because the mayor of los angeles last night said that air travel in and out of the city had fallen by 95 . I didnt believe him. But i think hes right. Ive been here two hours and ive seen, i think, three planes in the sky. Interesting, going back to the president s guidelines, nonessential travel is a phase ii opening up. So california is actually doing pretty well on those guidelines. But by my back of the envelope reckoning, were still 24 days away from l. A. X. Getting back to anything near normal. Thats it for us here in los angeles. Now to lauren fox in washington, d. C. Who has some reporting on a phone call with the Vice President. Lauren . Reporter as more and more tension continues to build, as lawmakers are looking for when their states can be reopened, the Vice President had a phone call with Senate Democrats today. There was a lot of frustration boiling over on this phone call. Im told that senator angus king, an independent who caucuses with the democrats, was so frustrated with the explanation for when testing would be available and what dependency was going to be put on the states to make sure testing was available, he told the Vice President this was a dereliction of duty and he told the Vice President , according to the source, that, quote, i have never been so mad about a phone call in my life. He wasnt the only Senate Democrat getting frustrated. Senator tim kaine of virginia had concerns about the fact that the president was tweeting in what he said was inciting division at a time when the country should be coming together. Senator brian schatz told me he was so frustrated on this phone call because he just didnt understand what has really changed. He said, all these promises are getting made but they sound like the same promises that were made last week, last month, and the month before. All these frustrations really coming into sight as theres more and more pressure on the president and some states to try to put together a plan to actually move beyond the coronavirus. When that plan is going to be available, who is responsible for it. Senate democrats are getting very frustrated because they dont believe the president is taking leadership in this moment. Jake . Lauren fox, thank you so much. Coming up, new modeling showing the u. S. May have already seen the peak of the virus. Cnns dr. Sanjay gupta will join us next. China raising new questions after revising the death toll in the city where the virus originated. Stay with us. The lead with jake tapper brought to you by Tractor Supply company. [spoken] into a smaller life . Are your asthma treatments just not enough . Then see what could open up for you with fasenra. It is not a steroid or inhaler. It is not a rescue medicine or for other eosinophilic conditions. Its an addon injection for people 12 and up with asthma driven by eosinophils. Nearly 7 out of 10 adults with asthma may have elevated eosinophils. Fasenra is designed to target and remove eosinophils, a key cause of asthma. It helps to prevent asthma attacks, improve breathing, and can reduce the need for oral steroids like prednisone. Fasenra may cause allergic reactions. Get help right away if you have swelling of your face, mouth, and tongue, or trouble breathing. Dont stop your asthma treatments unless your doctor tells you to. Tell your doctor if you have a parasitic infection, or your asthma worsens. Headache and sore throat may occur. Could you be living a bigger life . Ask an asthma specialist about fasenra. Could you be living a bigger life . Its starting to people are surprising themselves the moment they realize they can du more with less asthma. Thanks to dupixent, the addon treatment for specific types of moderatetosevere asthma. Dupixent isnt for sudden breathing problems. It can improve lung function for better breathing in as little as 2 weeks and help prevent severe asthma attacks. Its not a steroid but can help reduce or eliminate oral steroids. Dont use if allergic to dupixent. Serious allergic reactions can occur, including anaphylaxis, which is severe. Tell your doctor right away about signs of inflamed blood vessels, such as rash, shortness of breath, chest pain, tingling or numbness in your limbs. Tell your doctor if you have a parasitic infection and before stopping any asthma medicines, including oral steroids. Du more with less asthma. Talk to your doctor about dupixent. You ever wish you werent a motaur . Sure. Sometimes i wish i had legs like you. Yeah, like a regular person. No. Still half bike half man, just the opposite. Oh, so the legs on the bottom and motorcycle on the top . Yeah. Yeah, i could see that. For those who were born to ride, theres progressive. Yeah, i could see that. When you think of a bank, you think of people in a place. But when you have the chase mobile app, your bank can be virtually any place. So, when you get a check. You can deposit it from here. And you can see your transactions and check your balance from here. You can save for an emergency from here. Or pay bills from here. So when someone asks you, wheres your bank . You can tell them heres my bank. Or heres my bank. Or, heres my bank. Because if you download and use the chase mobile app, your bank is virtually any place. Visit chase. Com mobile. We have some breaking news for you, new modeling for the institute for Health Metrics and evaluation which is often touted by the white house, shows the peak of the coronavirus hit the u. S. Two days ago and that vermont, West Virginia, montana and hawaii are states that could begin to relax some aspects of the social and physical distancing measures by may 4. However, other states including iowa, north dakota, south dakota, nebraska, utah, arkansas, and oklahoma, may need to wait until late june or early july according to the modeling. Joining me now is cnns chief medical correspondent dr. Sanjay gupta. Sanjay, good to see you, as always. As always, this is a model, just a projection, not fact. But the projection that the imhe found that the peak of the virus was already on april 19, is that encouraging news, is that something to hold on to . I think its definitely encouraging news. Some of these models have sort of tracked for a bit of time now, so theyre starting to get more confidence in these models. But when you read these reports carefully, you find a couple of things. One is theyre always going to change still, these models are going to change and they want to continue to be able to reevaluate this, even up until the day before one of these states may meet the criteria for reopening. But i think also, as part of these models theres a lot of assumptions. The assumptions, jake, which you and i have been talking about for some time is the testing has to be widely available in these places because they acknowledge that as soon as you start to reopen things, there are people who are otherwise not going to become infected who will become infected. They will start being out in the community. The virus is in the community. So there will be people who get infected. The key is to make sure that those people can be identified right away, jake, isolated, their contacts, the people they came in contact with, can be traced, and they can be put in quarantine. And that the hospitals can take care of people if people get sick. Those are the assumptions they put in. They also put a number on this. You and i talked about the guidelines yesterday, a 14day downtrend of cases, which is an important metric, but from where to where, i think a lot of people were asking. What they said as part of this report is that the estimated infections in the community has to be less than a million, no matter where you live, the rate of infection has to be less than one in a million to consider reopening as well. Thats a significant number, jake. Why did the projected death toll in this new model drop from 68,000 back down to 60,000 . I think there was a little bit of benefit really coming from Southern States in this model. I think one of the things the modelers noted was they were able to have evidence of better social physical distancing in a few Southern States than they predicted. As you know, there were several states in the south that enacted these physical distancing guidelines later, these stay stayathome orders later, and it was unclear just how much people were abiding by these. What they did was interesting, they used anonymous cellphone data, jake, and sort of got an idea of how likely people were to be sort of staying put but i looking at this anonymous cellphone data. I thought that was pretty interesting. But when they looked at that, they said it showed people had done a better job of staying home than predicted. I think that brought it back a bit. Vermont, West Virginia, montana, hawaii, have been hit much less hard by the virus. What are your concerns if they follow the lead of this model and prepare to reopen, those four states . I think the biggest concern is that there may be this sort of attitude of complacency, we dodged the bullet, things did not get that bad. Hopefully thats the case, everybody hopes thats the case. But the concern is that once you start to develop a cluster of cases, we saw this in many places around the country, jake, there would be evenings when you and i would talk, there would be a dozen or so cases, by the next day there might be a few hundred people who had been infected. So thats the biggest concern. When that starts to happen, its not linear growth, its logarithmic or exponential growth in some cases. So thats the biggest concern. Widespread testing means widespread testing, no two ways about it. That might mean that people who start to go to work get tested on a regular basis even at their place of work, that they have Community Centers to get tested. That may be one of the characteristics of the new normal, the term that everybody likes to use, Going Forward. We talk about physical distancing and masks and things like that, but there will be a need for people to get tested, its needed in those place before they can reopen. Many of those places still talk i dont know about those states in particular but theres many places around the country who say they still dont have the infrastructure in place to test and then trace. And thats one of the things i wanted to ask you about. I reached out to senator angus king, an independent senator from maine who was very frustrated with Vice President pence on that phone call that lauren fox reported on for us earlier in the show and said, what are you so frustrated about. He said, the states cant do this, they need the federal government to do the widespread testing. And he said its just a complete abdication of leadership. Based on your knowledge and how this has been done in the past during other pandemics, isnt this the traditional role of the federal government . I mean, isnt that why we have the centers for Governor Andrew Cuomo<\/a> by name saying that cuomo should complain less and do more. This was governor cuomos response. First of all, if hes sitting at home and watch tv, maybe he should get up and go to work. How many times do you want me to say thank you . Thank you for doing your job . This was your role as president , okay . Well kick off Cnns Kaitlan Collins<\/a> live at the white house. Kaitlan, some of these protesters in states objecting to the guidelines that both state and National Health<\/a> Officials Say<\/a> are saving lives, theyre also challenging republican governors. Here is one protest against Ohio Republican<\/a> mike dewine from earlier this week. But President Trump<\/a> is only encouraging protests against three democratic governors and pointedly, theyre in states that he wants to win in november. Reporter yeah, hes made no mistake about that. And certainly, jake, its notable because just yesterday the president was saying it is up to governors to make these decisions about when they feel its safe to reopen their states and now the president is encouraging these protesters who are pushing back at those stay at home measures. Some of them strict, that a lot of these governors have put in place. And the question is is it going to set up this broader clash where the president is encouraging these protesters to push back against these restrictions while these governors feel that they need to stay in place . After unveiling a plan to reopen the country that didnt include a National Testing<\/a> strategy, President Trump<\/a> is lashing out at states and telling them to expand testing on their own. Trumps phased approach at reopening the nation doesnt address the concerns he heard about testing from governors, business executives, and lawmakers in recent days. Despite that, trump said some states could reopen by the end of the month or even earlier. Its up to the governors. Reporter new york Governor Andrew Cuomo<\/a> said his state wouldnt be able to fully reopen without federal help. Help on testing, because states cant do that. Reporter trump tweeted before cuomo even finished speaking, telling him to spend more time doing and less time complaining. And the president accused i am. Never thanking the federal government. Cuomo fired back almost instantly. First of all, itf hes sittig home watching tv, maybe he should get up and go to work, right . Reporter cuomo says hes been appreciative. How many times do you want me to say thank you . Im saying thank you for doing your job. This was your role as president. Reporter less than a day after trump told governors it was up to them when states reopened, he embraced protesters in three states who rallied against their governors stayathome orders. We want to come back may 1st. Reporter trump tweeted that minnesota, michigan, and virginia should be liberated. All three states have democratic governors and are considered battlegrounds for the november election. Jake, as you can see from the videos, a lot of these protesters are the president s own supporters. Theyre wearing his shirts, waving his flags, and he acknowledged yesterday that there are people in those groups that like him and that listen to him when he says when he tells them essentially guidance of what to do. He dodged a question yesterday, now hes tweeting that these states should be liberated. We should note one of the governors is responding, thats michigan governor Gretchen Whitmer<\/a>, who said today she hopes the president s tweets do not incite more protests in her state and says anyone with a platform should be using it to encourage people, not the way the president is using his today. All right, kaitlan collins, thanks so much. Governors are announcing their next steps after President Trump<\/a> released his reopening guidelines. I want to bring in cnns nick watt in los angeles. Nick, most governors make it clear they will need help from the federal government with testing and more in order to reopen. Reporter absolutely, jake. They need the help with testing because number one, theyre going to need to keep track of this virus once we start to reopen. And they also need testing to meet those guidelines laid down by the president , a flurry of governor activity today. We had newsom here in california advising other governors, dont play politics. Governor whitmer in michigan saying we will reengage our economy when its safe. Governor murphy in new jersey saying if youre mad, if you want someone to blame, blame me, it is on me. It is also increasingly clear today that we have looked pretty similar, 97 of us across the country under stayathome orders, pretty clear that moving forward we will begin to look very different in different places. This afternoon, in jacksonville, florida, theyre reopening beaches and parks. With some restrictions. Folks, this can be the beginning of the pathway back to normal life. But please respect and follow these limitations. Reporter the president says 29 states now in the ball game to open relatively soon. Perhaps utah. Definitely in the next couple of weeks we believe certain parts of the economy can be opened. Reporter utah has less than 3,000 confirmed cases. Massachusetts, more than 32,000 cases. Theres no doubt that massachusetts continues to see an uptick in new cases, tests, and unfortunately, fatalities. Reporter in texas, state parks will open monday, a week from now, stores can open for pickup only. But School Classrooms<\/a> are closed for the remainder of the 20192020 school years. Reporter governors, not the president , will be calling the shots. We must get this right because the stakes are very high. When we open things up, can we expect a spike . We hope not. But it wont shock us if that occurs. What well see is an establishment, a venue, a locale. Reporter some saying were just not there yet. You have to develop a Testing Capacity<\/a> that does now exist. We cannot do it without federal help. Reporter West Virginia<\/a> wants to test every single resident and staff member in the states nursing homes. Mississippi just extended its stayathome order another week. I hoped and i prayed we would be there based on their metrics. Were just not there yet. Reporter reopening will be regional. Opening some states and not others, its a little bit like, you know, as somebody said to me, like having a ping section of the swimming pool. Reporter some neighboring states are coordinating a new bloc formed in the middle of the country. There is no vaccine yet, no proven therapeutics. But remdesivir, designed to fight ebola, apparently now showing promise in covid19 trials. Weve had a lot of our patients improving and going home. And i think that were all really pleased to see that. Its hard to know at this point if thats relate to the drug or not. Reporter lets not forget, there are still thousands of Health Care Workers<\/a> on the front lines. We have a lot of sick patients. Reporter still, so many lives in the balance. And we have a lot of young patien patients. This patient is unfortunately on the verges being intubated. Were trying to save her. Reporter im at l. A. X. Today because the mayor of los angeles last night said that air travel in and out of the city had fallen by 95 . I didnt believe him. But i think hes right. Ive been here two hours and ive seen, i think, three planes in the sky. Interesting, going back to the president s guidelines, nonessential travel is a phase ii opening up. So california is actually doing pretty well on those guidelines. But by my back of the envelope reckoning, were still 24 days away from l. A. X. Getting back to anything near normal. Thats it for us here in los angeles. Now to lauren fox in washington, d. C. Who has some reporting on a phone call with the Vice President<\/a>. Lauren . Reporter as more and more tension continues to build, as lawmakers are looking for when their states can be reopened, the Vice President<\/a> had a phone call with Senate Democrats<\/a> today. There was a lot of frustration boiling over on this phone call. Im told that senator angus king, an independent who caucuses with the democrats, was so frustrated with the explanation for when testing would be available and what dependency was going to be put on the states to make sure testing was available, he told the Vice President<\/a> this was a dereliction of duty and he told the Vice President<\/a> , according to the source, that, quote, i have never been so mad about a phone call in my life. He wasnt the only Senate Democrat<\/a> getting frustrated. Senator tim kaine of virginia had concerns about the fact that the president was tweeting in what he said was inciting division at a time when the country should be coming together. Senator brian schatz told me he was so frustrated on this phone call because he just didnt understand what has really changed. He said, all these promises are getting made but they sound like the same promises that were made last week, last month, and the month before. All these frustrations really coming into sight as theres more and more pressure on the president and some states to try to put together a plan to actually move beyond the coronavirus. When that plan is going to be available, who is responsible for it. Senate democrats are getting very frustrated because they dont believe the president is taking leadership in this moment. Jake . Lauren fox, thank you so much. Coming up, new modeling showing the u. S. May have already seen the peak of the virus. Cnns dr. Sanjay gupta will join us next. China raising new questions after revising the death toll in the city where the virus originated. Stay with us. The lead with jake tapper brought to you by Tractor Supply<\/a> company. [spoken] into a smaller life . Are your asthma treatments just not enough . Then see what could open up for you with fasenra. It is not a steroid or inhaler. It is not a rescue medicine or for other eosinophilic conditions. Its an addon injection for people 12 and up with asthma driven by eosinophils. Nearly 7 out of 10 adults with asthma may have elevated eosinophils. Fasenra is designed to target and remove eosinophils, a key cause of asthma. It helps to prevent asthma attacks, improve breathing, and can reduce the need for oral steroids like prednisone. Fasenra may cause allergic reactions. Get help right away if you have swelling of your face, mouth, and tongue, or trouble breathing. Dont stop your asthma treatments unless your doctor tells you to. Tell your doctor if you have a parasitic infection, or your asthma worsens. Headache and sore throat may occur. Could you be living a bigger life . Ask an asthma specialist about fasenra. Could you be living a bigger life . Its starting to people are surprising themselves the moment they realize they can du more with less asthma. Thanks to dupixent, the addon treatment for specific types of moderatetosevere asthma. Dupixent isnt for sudden breathing problems. It can improve lung function for better breathing in as little as 2 weeks and help prevent severe asthma attacks. Its not a steroid but can help reduce or eliminate oral steroids. Dont use if allergic to dupixent. Serious allergic reactions can occur, including anaphylaxis, which is severe. Tell your doctor right away about signs of inflamed blood vessels, such as rash, shortness of breath, chest pain, tingling or numbness in your limbs. Tell your doctor if you have a parasitic infection and before stopping any asthma medicines, including oral steroids. Du more with less asthma. Talk to your doctor about dupixent. You ever wish you werent a motaur . Sure. Sometimes i wish i had legs like you. Yeah, like a regular person. No. Still half bike half man, just the opposite. Oh, so the legs on the bottom and motorcycle on the top . Yeah. Yeah, i could see that. For those who were born to ride, theres progressive. Yeah, i could see that. When you think of a bank, you think of people in a place. But when you have the chase mobile app, your bank can be virtually any place. So, when you get a check. You can deposit it from here. And you can see your transactions and check your balance from here. You can save for an emergency from here. Or pay bills from here. So when someone asks you, wheres your bank . You can tell them heres my bank. Or heres my bank. Or, heres my bank. Because if you download and use the chase mobile app, your bank is virtually any place. Visit chase. Com mobile. We have some breaking news for you, new modeling for the institute for Health Metrics<\/a> and evaluation which is often touted by the white house, shows the peak of the coronavirus hit the u. S. Two days ago and that vermont, West Virginia<\/a>, montana and hawaii are states that could begin to relax some aspects of the social and physical distancing measures by may 4. However, other states including iowa, north dakota, south dakota, nebraska, utah, arkansas, and oklahoma, may need to wait until late june or early july according to the modeling. Joining me now is cnns chief medical correspondent dr. Sanjay gupta. Sanjay, good to see you, as always. As always, this is a model, just a projection, not fact. But the projection that the imhe found that the peak of the virus was already on april 19, is that encouraging news, is that something to hold on to . I think its definitely encouraging news. Some of these models have sort of tracked for a bit of time now, so theyre starting to get more confidence in these models. But when you read these reports carefully, you find a couple of things. One is theyre always going to change still, these models are going to change and they want to continue to be able to reevaluate this, even up until the day before one of these states may meet the criteria for reopening. But i think also, as part of these models theres a lot of assumptions. The assumptions, jake, which you and i have been talking about for some time is the testing has to be widely available in these places because they acknowledge that as soon as you start to reopen things, there are people who are otherwise not going to become infected who will become infected. They will start being out in the community. The virus is in the community. So there will be people who get infected. The key is to make sure that those people can be identified right away, jake, isolated, their contacts, the people they came in contact with, can be traced, and they can be put in quarantine. And that the hospitals can take care of people if people get sick. Those are the assumptions they put in. They also put a number on this. You and i talked about the guidelines yesterday, a 14day downtrend of cases, which is an important metric, but from where to where, i think a lot of people were asking. What they said as part of this report is that the estimated infections in the community has to be less than a million, no matter where you live, the rate of infection has to be less than one in a million to consider reopening as well. Thats a significant number, jake. Why did the projected death toll in this new model drop from 68,000 back down to 60,000 . I think there was a little bit of benefit really coming from Southern States<\/a> in this model. I think one of the things the modelers noted was they were able to have evidence of better social physical distancing in a few Southern States<\/a> than they predicted. As you know, there were several states in the south that enacted these physical distancing guidelines later, these stay stayathome orders later, and it was unclear just how much people were abiding by these. What they did was interesting, they used anonymous cellphone data, jake, and sort of got an idea of how likely people were to be sort of staying put but i looking at this anonymous cellphone data. I thought that was pretty interesting. But when they looked at that, they said it showed people had done a better job of staying home than predicted. I think that brought it back a bit. Vermont, West Virginia<\/a>, montana, hawaii, have been hit much less hard by the virus. What are your concerns if they follow the lead of this model and prepare to reopen, those four states . I think the biggest concern is that there may be this sort of attitude of complacency, we dodged the bullet, things did not get that bad. Hopefully thats the case, everybody hopes thats the case. But the concern is that once you start to develop a cluster of cases, we saw this in many places around the country, jake, there would be evenings when you and i would talk, there would be a dozen or so cases, by the next day there might be a few hundred people who had been infected. So thats the biggest concern. When that starts to happen, its not linear growth, its logarithmic or exponential growth in some cases. So thats the biggest concern. Widespread testing means widespread testing, no two ways about it. That might mean that people who start to go to work get tested on a regular basis even at their place of work, that they have Community Centers<\/a> to get tested. That may be one of the characteristics of the new normal, the term that everybody likes to use, Going Forward<\/a>. We talk about physical distancing and masks and things like that, but there will be a need for people to get tested, its needed in those place before they can reopen. Many of those places still talk i dont know about those states in particular but theres many places around the country who say they still dont have the infrastructure in place to test and then trace. And thats one of the things i wanted to ask you about. I reached out to senator angus king, an independent senator from maine who was very frustrated with Vice President<\/a> pence on that phone call that lauren fox reported on for us earlier in the show and said, what are you so frustrated about. He said, the states cant do this, they need the federal government to do the widespread testing. And he said its just a complete abdication of leadership. Based on your knowledge and how this has been done in the past during other pandemics, isnt this the traditional role of the federal government . I mean, isnt that why we have the centers for Disease Control<\/a> thats not just for georgia, even though its located in georgia, its for the whole United States<\/a> . I talked to lots of public Health Officials<\/a> including former head of the centers for Disease Control<\/a> who said that, you know, the idea of actually getting the testing done, completed, is a duty that falls on the shoulders of the federal government. I think its important to redefine for people, jake, what testing really means here. Testing in participa is the lab. Many labs have been set up in hospitals, public health, big commercial labs like quest. So the capacity has definitely increased. But as youve heard, jake, you may not have enough swabs in one place, you may not have enough of the medium to transport the swab to the lab. You may not have enough of the reagents in the lab. Thats the supply chain issue. Many of those supplies are coming from other countries around the world including china. How do you bring those supplies in . Its not the states negotiating directly with china or other places around the world. Its the country, its the federal government. So the Testing Capacity<\/a> has gone up, and i think maybe this is a sort of commingling of terms, but capacity can have gone up, but if you dont have the supplies because the supply chain has been disrupted, how do you fix that problem . If you dont have a swab, it doesnt matter that you have ten technicians waiting by to do the test. Youve got to have the swab. So therein lies a little bit of a problem, jake. And what senator king said to me was, states do not have the defense production act, they cant force companies to do things the way that president s can. Sanjay, thank you so much. Be sure to listen to dr. Guptas podcast, coronavirus fact versus fiction, wherever you access your podcasts. Do you remember all the people you came into contact with in the last two weeks . Stay with us. A lot has changed in the last few weeks. But one thing hasnt breakfast. And, if that feels like a little bit of comfort, its thanks to. 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The white house has announced that a major part of any reopening strategy will rely on whats called Contact Tracing<\/a>. Thats the way that officials can investigate where coronaviruspositive patients have traveled to determine who else may have been exposed. Cnns sara sidner reports Health Experts<\/a> say this tracing is critical to avoid a resurgence to cases and fatalities. This was painful. Reporter amy driscoll says coronavirus had a her in a vise grip that wouldnt let go for weeks. Every breath, every humidity, every raising your arms, rolling over in bed, every single thing is painful. Reporter less than two hours after arriving home from the hospital, her phone rang. It was the county Health Department<\/a>, asking lots of questions. Who have i seen in the last two weeks, where was i in the last two weeks, who was i in contact with, where do i work. Reporter the Health Department<\/a> was doing what is called Contact Tracing<\/a>. You have to trace every person who comes up positive. Trace means investigate. Investigate all those prior contacts. Reporter driscoll traced her steps. She had gone to work. Her boss and staff had to be contacted. She went to a restaurant for lunch. She went to her hair salon, they had to be contacted. She went to a Cleveland Cavaliers<\/a> game. All the family members who sat with her were contacted. This kind of Contact Tracing<\/a> is happening across the country and the world. Those suffering through the deadly covid outbreak in new york and those connected to the first major u. S. Outbreak in Washington State<\/a>, to california, the first place where a statewide stayathome order was announced. Experts say without Contract Tracing<\/a> and enough testing, america and the world cannot reopen safely. Were going to be at risk of resurgence of this disease, not just in the fall, but going into next year. Reporter so youre saying without Contact Tracing<\/a>, without testing a massive amount, we could find ourselves right back where we started . I think we could find ourselves very much at risk of another resurgence. Reporter but the u. S. Does not have enough people to do the tracing. State Health Officials<\/a> estimate there are about 2,000 people doing this work now, but Johns Hopkins<\/a> university warns we need at least 100,000. For now, Contact Tracing<\/a> is only as good as your memory. This is hard. I mean, before stayathome orde orders, can you remember all the people you had close contact with over a twoweek period, say, at the coffee shop . Or at the Grocery Store<\/a> . Or at a restaurant . Or at your Childs School<\/a> . And thats where big tech like google and apple are jumping in. They will soon have an app you can voluntarily download that works with Health Department<\/a>s so they can see detailed location data from your cellphone. But the public may be skittish about it due to privacy concerns. Contact tracing needs serious investigative work. Well need hundreds of thousands of people who would be put to work. Reporter the Health Department<\/a> tells driscoll that none of the people she was in contact with have symptoms so far. Amy driscoll says she has no additional testing so she doesnt really know whether or not she is still contagious or shedding the virus. Thats scary for her, she doesnt want to go out in the community. The cdc has started a pilot program, sending communities members into eight states to ramp up Contact Tracing<\/a>. The testing going on here in los angeles is really important, driveup testing. Its one of the ways theyre trying to deal with this. But also technology is so incredibly important, theyre trying just about anything to have an army of contact tracers so that we can return to some semblance of normalcy, jake. Sara sidner in inglewood, california, thank you so much. Leading experts say the u. S. Is anywhere from 12 to 18 months away from a vaccine that would be ready for the public to combat coronavirus. One doctor is working on a short Term Solution<\/a> that might act as a kind of bandaid. Dr. Robert gallo is one of the scientists, of course, who was credited with discovering hiv. He developed the first Antibody Test<\/a> for that. Hes leading in an effort to repurpose the polio vaccine in hopes of slowing down the outbreak. Joining me now is dr. Gallo, dr. Gallo, thank you for joining us. How effective do you think this vaccine be against the coronavirus . Enormously so. But i first want to say that this is with my colleague and especially driven by konstantin shimakov, a virologist. We know the information from the past, and its been kind of forgotten and sitting on the shelf. I would say its far more than a bandaid, but its different from conventional vaccines. I dont think anybody can give any data on any vaccine of this specific variety because you just dont know if theyre going to work. You have a vaccine when you have it, when its safe, proven, and effective, proven. We dont know when thats going to be. You may not ever have it. Sometimes antibodies are good, sometimes theyre not very good. So yes tell us how the polio vaccine would work. Yeah, its what we call the innate immune system, the alarm. When you get an infection or when a virus replicates like the oral polio vaccine replicates in you, its very safe. If youre previously vaccinated for polio, its completely safe. You stimulate what is the Emergency Response<\/a> that we inherited from lower forms like frogs, turtles, invertebrates. It includes things like youve heard of interferon, for example. Its your Immediate Reaction<\/a> that says, wow, i sense an rna molecule, the viruss genetic information, it shouldnt be here, and it can trigger a lot of activity that blocks the virus at the gate. It can be a major help and i think we have to get it out there fast. How close are you to getting it developed and available to the public . Availability is easy. Its in the storage of Companies Like<\/a> sanofi, biopharma and others. Theyre already beginning to go forward with the allocation. Well do a 10,000person beginning trial. Beyond that, we want to go really to people in the front lines. I think it will be fast tracked and were getting that kind of conversation with people within the government, you know, the fda knows about it, were Going Forward<\/a> with it. After getting that approval, and we hope everything will happen in weeks, not months, and that it will come out very quickly. Its really safe. So let me emphasize that. It should not have side effects as do some of the potent drugs or other things that are still experimental. This has been used on millions of people. Let me ask you, because weve heard obviously about the use of hydroxychloroquine as a drug to potentially help coronavirus patients. A new report shows that the experimental drug remdesivir might be helping speed up patients recovery times. Remdesivir was tested against ebola, it was not effective against that, but right now 2,400 patients are in a drug trial to see if it works against coronavirus. What do you think about remdesivirs potential effectiveness . I cant say for sure until i see published information and more about it. It targets the enzyme of the virus, the polymerase so it could be affected. After youre infected this is not prevention, im talking about mainly prevention. But i hope for the best. I havent seen enough to be very, very comfortable yet. But the word today from chicago hospitals including, i guess, the place where i spent my time, university of chicago, sounds much more interesting than i would have expected. So it seems encouraging, what else can i say . The hydroxychloroquine, less known, i think, and maybe theres contradictory reports on it right now. And again, you want to see certainly more information about it. With this, theres a lot of information. Dr. Robert gallo, we certainly wish you the best of luck with this. We hope it works. Thank you so much for your time today and thanks for the work you do. Thank you, thank you for having me on. Tens of thousands of Small Business<\/a> owners now left hanging out to dry after the federal loan program runs out of money. Can republicans and democrats Work Together<\/a> again in time to fix it . And a growing outcry in spain after children have not been allowed to go outside at all for more than a month. Stay with us. S wanted to be a teacher. 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This just in, democratic Washington State<\/a> governor jay inslee is calling President Trump<\/a>s twitter tirade, quote, unhinged. This comes after a series of tweets in which the president called for the liberation of michigan, minnesota, and virginia, whatever that means. Those are three states where protesters have been rallying against democratic governors stayathome orders. Inslee says the president s statements not only encourage violence and illegal acts but inslee says the president is putting millions of people in danger of contracting coronavirus. In money, the woman who ran the Small Business<\/a> administration for the Obama Administration<\/a> is now urging democrats in the senate to drop their demands and replenish the Small Business<\/a> loan program now. Karen mills told roll call, quote, things that have to be implemented quickly cant have a lot of bells and whistles or else there will be too many unintended consequences, one of which is delay and we dont have time to delay. I want to bring in cnn business anchor julia chatterley. Julia, Senate Democrats<\/a> say they want more funding for hospitals and local governments in addition to loans for Small Business<\/a>es. What are you hearing about negotiations . The money has run out. The money has run out. Im hearing theyre getting closer to a deal but its not going to come until next week, which is a problem in itself. For the paycheck protection scheme, im hearing the money could be more than 250 billion, more like 300 billion. And critically, auns you mentioned, there wont be more strings attached. Getting out the loans to people has been complicated enough, quite frankly. The compromise, and its wrong word but ill use it, is that there will be more money for hospitals, im hearing, perhaps as much as 100 billion. The money for states, though, will come later. The deal here clearly resonates and makes the point that all of these things are important, they all need money, but the Small Business<\/a>es, the alarm bells are ringing, its an emergency and its been one for the last two days. So a Sandwich Shop<\/a> owner in phoenix told us about his struggle. He said his name is josh garcia. He said he barely made his last payroll. He said it took him 13 days and six revisions to his loan application before he got his money this morning. He says that money will keep his business afloat for the next three months. Hes one of the fortunate ones, but ive been hearing from others who have not been able to get through and get the money, and theyll have to face some tough decisions over this weekend. Absolutely. To your point, he is one of the lucky ones. Many are still trying and right now cant even apply given that the money is out. The restaurant sectors are really important. The average cash buffer in this country for a restaurant is about 16 days. So some have less, some have more. But were already one month into this shutdown. I spoke to one of the countrys Largest Online<\/a> lenders this week, and he said, look, american businesses are fighters but theyre maxed out on credit cards, theyve borrowed from friends, crowdsourced in their communities, and time has run out. I spoke to karen mills, as you mentioned. She told me in the best Case Scenario<\/a> 20 of Small Business<\/a>es in this country will fail as a result of whats going on here. Every day counts and every day minneso means job losses. Ckaren mills saying to senat democrats, cut it out, get the money out the door. Florida had to add 100 computer servers and call centers to meet the demand. Vermonts governor issued 1,200 checks to those caught in the huge numbers. Governor phil scott of vermont says the Labor Department<\/a> has until saturday night to clear the backlog otherwise well have to cut checks to prepay people for the benefits that are due. There are 80,000 claims in that state alone since midmarch. Around 40 had issues. Thats been the challenge here. But my biggest fear, jake, i keep saying it, is gig economy workers. 23 million people, theyll have to build a new system to get them on board. This will be what im watching Going Forward<\/a>. Julia chatterley, thank you so much. World lead today, the uk announces a task force to accelerate vaccine development. In denmark, more restrictions being lifted allowing courts and some Small Business<\/a>es including driving schools and hairdressers to reopen. French president Emmanuel Macron<\/a> says the eu is facing its, quote, moment of truth. He called out chinas lack of transparency, saying there are things we do not know about what happened in china and it is up to the Chinese Government<\/a> to be honest and tell the world. The Chinese Government<\/a> of course is revising the total death toll in wuhan, the epicenter of this pandemic, increasing the number by 50 . Cnns david culver joins me now live from shanghai. David, this comes after all of the questions about how the Chinese Government<\/a> has handled this pandemic. What prompted these new numbers. Reporter jake, you and i have talked about this intensively. The wuhan Officials Say<\/a> theyre showing accountability to history, to the people, to the victims, as well as to insure open and transparent disclosure of information. But it comes as numbers around the world are continuing to rise. China, as you pointed out, facing increased scrutiny over their transparency or lack thereof. President trump tweeted about this today, saying that china doubled the number of deaths. Thats not actually true, they only changed within wuhan alone. City officials there adding that 50 increase. But where the president is likely right is in suggesting the actual number is probably far higher than even what theyre putting out now. Weve reported intensively on the claims of an early coverup, the censoring of information online, and some people are telling us that their loved ones were never tested yet were told they died of severe pneumonia. You have to wonder if thats just the city of wuhan or outside of that, will the numbers be revised once more. David culver in shanghai. In spain, children have not been allowed to leave their homes for five weeks, and understandably, kids and their parents and caregivers are getting a little restless. Theyve started a free the children movement. One echoed even by the mayor of barcelona. Cnns scott mclean joins me now. Scott, spain is the only european country is the only one that has this specific type of restriction on children going outside. Is there any plan to lift the restriction . Reporter jake, weve been asking that exact question to the Prime Ministers Office<\/a> today. So far we havent gotten a specific answer. Spain has one of the strictest lockdowns on planet earth. People here are not allowed to leave their houses to exercise or go for a walk. Only certain people are even allowed to leave to be able to their job. The state of emergency did make a specific exemption so people could leave to walk their dogs but no exemption for people to let their kids out to blow off some steam. You would be hardpressed to find anyone in madrid who has anything resembling a backyard. A petition is circulating online asking the government to give kids some leniency to go outside. Jake, Health Authorities<\/a> here say when restrictions are lifted, normalcy will not be the same as before. 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How does this moment compare to the aftermath of 9 11 for you as a new yorker trying to help out and as somebody watching how the city is coming together . Well, in 9 11, it was it feels the same. It felt the same, except this is much more its something you see in a movie. I never expected anything like this to happen, and happen so fast. A month and a half ago, we saw it coming, two months ago. But its unreal to see every big city in the world, in europe, everywhere, just sort of empty. You only see that in a movie, and its happening to us. I must say that i wish that we had people had acted, that the government had acted earlier. They had enough warning. Because we would not be at this stage of this pandemic, i think, if that had happened. Its just it just seems like thats what it was. But were weathering it, were going through it. Its not easy, and we dont know where its going to wind up. I want to ask you about a fellow new yorker i was going to say, andrew cuomo is doing a great job. Its so refreshing to see him speak and take charge of this thing, no matter what happens, even if we did get too many ventilators, too many hospital beds, we were proactive, he was proactive and made sure that if something did happen, god forbid, and it still might, god forbid, he took action. So im very proud of his behavior. I want to ask you about a different prominent new yorker in all this, dr. Fauci, originally from brooklyn. He was quoted in the new yorker talking about how somebody like him deals with public officials. He referred to the philosophy of the godfather, its nothing personal, its strictly business. In an interview with me a few days ago, when i asked why people in leadership positions didnt heed his calls for social distancing back in february, he quoted the irishman, saying it is what it is. I know that fauci is a big fan of yours. What do you think about the job fauci is doing . I think hes great. Hes a new york, an italianamerican, i understand him without him having to say that much. Hes trying to walk a fine line and be responsible. And it is what it is. Thats it, you know. We have to deal with it. I dont think we would have had to deal with it as badly as we are, but were in it now. So thats it. Well know next time. All right. Robert de niro, an honor to talk to you, sir, thank you so much and stay safe and healthy, we need you for when this is all over. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Tune in to cnn this sunday for state of the union. Ill talk to treasury secretary Steven Mnuchin<\/a> plus an exclusive with Senate Minority<\/a> leader Chuck Schumer<\/a> and governors larry hogan of maryland and Gretchen Whitmer<\/a> of michigan. Stay safe, stay healthy, stay at home. Our coverage continues now. This is cnn breaking news. Welcome to our viewers here in the United States<\/a> and around the world. 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