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Experts that reopening of the economy will put the nation right back where it was in midmarch when cases were rising in some parts of the countries that patients were dying on gurneys in hospital hallways. So lets begin this hour over at the white house. And our correspondent there kaitlan collins. And sobering numbers coming out today. What is the white house saying about this . Reporter well, theyre trying really to distance themselves from the projections by saying this is not a d a document that came from the west wing and formally presented to the Coronavirus Task force and the task force has not met in person as they are scaling back the number of meetings that theyre having but this modeling is not reflective of the data that task force has been looking at. So they are trying to put distance but not denying the authenticity of the projections that youre seeing and you wonder how much theyre taking it into account. You saw the president last night revise the death toll of what he had been saying. I think two and a half three weeks ago when he said the death toll could be as low as 50,000 but last night he said it could go up from 75,000 to 100,000 as he was seeming to get more realistic about what the numbers are looking like. And despite, that they continue easing restrictions and reopening in the face of the sobering numbers in this document. And one of them that is most striking is not only just the death and how much those could increase but the number of new cases per day where this document has it going from 25,000 a day as it is now to maybe even potentially 200,000 by the end of this month, early next month. So that is striking to see and of course this goes as youre continuing to see the president s economic aides want to get the economy reopened while the Health Experts have been incredibly cautious saying they are just too concerned about what could happen if too many states open just too quickly, brooke. Kaitlan, thank you very much. I want to go straight to the good doctor here. Our cnn chief medical correspondent dr. Sanjay gupta is with us with dana bash. But sanjay, straight to you, again, when you hear 3,000 deaths daily and that would put us back to where we were in midmarch, what do you make of these numbers and do we even know how they arrived at these numbers . Yeah, well, like you, brooke, i hate hearing numbers like this. But this is not surprising. Weve seen these models for some time. A lot of attention has been focused on the one model out of the university of washington which is talked about death tolls around 60,000 70,000. And there have been models including from the federal government that projected sadly death tolls much higher. I think there is two things that really jump out and we havent seen the report itself, were just seeing some of the current projections but the earlier report are in line with this. Two things. One is that the mitigation efforts, the stayathome orders have had an impact. But seemingly what theyve done is theyve brought things down to a lower level of daily infections. It did not sort of create this back end of the curve that we were sort of thinking would happen, that we would be able to contain this. It just got this slowing down to a certain level. So it had an impact but not as great an impact as we hoped. Because even 1,700 people dying a day is obviously staggering to think about. The second thing, which i think, brooke, is no surprise, we talked about this on friday, places are starting to reopen. So the whole idea that youre going to see an increase then in the number of people who become infected, the number of people who are hospitalized and may die is sad but true. I just want to show if i can, if we have this flattening the curve graphic that we showed so many times a few weeks ago, if you look at the flattening of the curve, if you look at the volume under both curves, the one that has the bigger peak and the flatter peak, theyre about the same, right. It was just a question of sort of spreading out the pace at which people became infected and to some degree weve been able to do that. But as we start to reopen, that pace will pick up and the number of people who will become infected that other wise wouldnt have will increase. So this is not the news people want to hear but it is the honest news, brooke. So, just so im following you, because youve also made the point you live in georgia georgia is reopening and so many states are reopening and the point youve made is we wont know the data in terms of infections or worse for another couple of weeks. So if we take this number 3,000 deaths a day or 200,000 cases a day, does that factor in the next couple of weeks of the states reopening . Yeah. That is a great question, brooke. Because i think it was really interesting to me when i looked at the university of washington model, the ihme model, that was starting to go up without even factoring in the reopening. So there was also the sense that the for whatever reason, maybe people werent being as diligent about staying at home, even in places where they should have been. We dont know what the reason is. But even before reopening, the numbers were already starting to creep up. So this is starting to take into account some of this. But this is not taking into full account of the dozens of states that are reopening. So, again, i take no joy in saying this, but i think that the numbers that were looking at as stark as they are may be even higher in terms of the projections once we start to take into account all of the states opening. And we want to avoid that explosive growth that we saw in midmarch. That is when the hospitals were really taxed, brooke. When people were complaining they didnt have enough personal protective equipment and worried that people otherwise who may have been cared for may have been dying preventible deaths and we dont want to be in that situation again and that is what the projections are clearly warning us about. We have to listen. People are taking victory laps or spiking the football, whatever you want to call it. We are not out of this yet. And again i take no joy in saying that and ill get tons of hate mail and as i always do but we have to tell people the truth right now because there is a path out of this if we are very, very clear about what is happening right now. No, youre a truthteller and we respect you for that. And one more piece of information that just came in, the key coronavirus model said it will revise projections to nearly 135,000 u. S. Deaths, almost double the previous prediction. And the institute for Health Metrics at the university of washington cites relaxed social distancing and increased mobility, so that is precisely to the point you were just making. Yeah. Look, if you look at numbers and do the quick math, and i hate to speak about that in such clinical terms, especially youve dealt with this firsthand but you talk about 200,000 people saying may become infected every day. Every day. Right now were just over a Million People. So now theyre saying it could be 200,000 people infected every day and up to 3,000 deaths a day. That is what theyre saying. That is a 1. 5 mortality. We talked about this since january. The flu is around. 1 . If were talking about something that is 10 to 15 times more lethal that makes the case that the best we can do until we have to outpace this thing but getting a good therapeutic or vaccine and we will but something that lethal in the interim makes the case we have to do everything we can right now staying home, washing hands, weari Wearing Masks and it shows youre a good courteous human being and it is the best that we have. Well get through. It but right now it is the best we have. And dana, let me bring you this in. It is the white house projecting the numbers privately yet no the president very publicly is pushing to reopen, even saying states like virginia arent opening fast enough. Will this have an impact on how the white house moves forward. Unclear. And that is the honest answer at this point. The other side of this, inthat n yeah was alluding to, with that grim and pragmatic medical view of the situation going forward, is the way that people are suffering economically. And i know sanjay knows this and recognizes this as do all other medical professionals making these really stark recommendations to continue to stay home and use preventative measures. But the president , what he is saying, what he said last night at the town hall and continues to say more and more is based on the pressure that he is getting, not just from his base, not just from red states but even more broadly now, that the economy is already so dire and could be in a place that none of us could even imagine since the depression times. If he doesnt start to reopen. And ill just tell you, just before coming on with you, brooke, i was talking to Chris Christie and his recommendation was weve got to start to reopen, do it carefully and slowly but that leaders in this country have to just say, point blank, people are going to die. And its the price that Society Needs to pay to restart the economy. And he said it in characteristically blunt terms. Unclear if the president will do that. But that for sure is the kind of thing that the president and other leaders are hearing privately in one ear as theyre hearing what sanjay was saying in the other. Yeah. I appreciate all of this analysis. Dana, thank you and sanjay and thank you your daughter for sending me the mask. I wear it everywhere we go. Welcome back b. B. Thank you. Love you d. B. Listen, six feet may not be enough. Icles from a heavy cough could travel up to twice that distance. We have those details ahead. And a potential gamechanger in tracking the spread of the virus. One drugmaker claims it has an Antibody Test that is nearly 100 accurate. Could be great news for everyone. And masks are a simple and effective way of stopping the sprez of the coronavirus. So why are people threatening violence after being told to wear them . Hey, can i. Safe drivers save 40 guys guys safe drivers save 40 safe drivers save 40 safe drivers save 40 thats safe drivers save 40 . It is, thats safe drivers save 40 . Hes right there. Its him safe drivers do save 40 . Click or call for a quote today. Many of lifes moments in thare being put on hold. Are staying at home, safe drivers do save 40 . At carvana, we understand that, for some, getting a car just cant wait. To help, were giving our customers up to 90 days to make their first payment. Shop online from the comfort of your couch, and get your car with touchless delivery to keep you safe. And for even Greater Peace of mind, all carvana cars come with a sevenday return policy. So, if you need to keep moving, were here for you. At carvana the safer way to buy a car. I know that every time that i suit up, there is a chance that thats the last time. 300 miles an hour, thats where i feel normal. I might be crazy but im not stupid. Having an annuity tells me that im protected. During turbulent times, consider protected Lifetime Income from an annuity as part of your retirement plan. This can help you cover your essential monthly expenses. Learn more at protectedincome. Org. Noticks and fleas . O simplifies protection. See ya heartworm disease . No way simparica trio is the first chewable that delivers all this protection. And simparica trio is demonstrated safe for puppies. Its simple go with simparica trio. This drug class has been associated with neurologic adverse reactions, including seizures; use with caution in dogs with a history of these disorders. Protect him with all your heart. Simparica trio. Welcome back. On this monday afternoon, ibrooe baldwin. As were learning about the cases, 40 states will have started reopening businesses in some way by the end of the week and among them the state of florida where phase one begins today. Cnns randi kaye is life there in west palm beach. And a Million People, a million have filed for unemployment thus far in florida. So the governor is feeling the pressure to get stores and services open. But it is still with social distancing, right . Reporter supposedly. People are certainly beg beiingd to social distance. In miami beach they closed a park and issued 8,000 violations for not social distancing and wearing face masks as it required there. But as you mentioned, this is phase one. It is a learning experience apparently. More beaches are opening today. Including popular ones in clearwater and destin and pensacola and state parks are opening and restaurants have limited capacity and retailers have opening to 25 capacity. Some thing are still closed like some of the museums are closed here, the movie theaters are closed, the salons and the spas and also three major counties in south florida, including palm beach and broward and miamidade because they were the hardest hit counties. That is about 30 of the states population so a highly populated area. About 6. 2 Million People living there. But as you mentioned, social distancing is key. Which is why we wanted to know how far does a cough travel. So we went to a florida lab to find out. Heavy cough. Three, two, one. Reporter inside of this lab at Florida Atlantic university to engineer professors are measuring the power of a cough. Three, two, one. Reporter using a dummy they fill the mouth with a mix of glycerine and water and with a pump force the dummy to cough. Then wait to see how far the droplets travel. They fill the air. Visible with the green laser light. Simulating what happens when we cough. It generates particles on the order of 10 to 20 microns which is close to the roughly the smallest droplet size when we cough. Take note how quickly this droplet spread. Reporter the droplets expelled traveled 3 feet almost immediately. Within five seconds the droplets were at six feet. Then nine feet in just about ten seconds. Remember, nine feet is three feet beyond the recommended social distancing guidelines. Already reaching roughly 9 feet now. And still moving farther slowly. Reporter the fog of droplets lingers in air but kept moving forward taking another 30 to 40 seconds to float another three feet. It is getting closer to 12 feet now. Reporter yes, he said 12 feet. Over and over again the simulated droplets blew past the six foot mark and often doubling that distance. That is past three feet already. Approaching six feet. And it looks like it has crossed six feet. And now it has slowed down. How long might they linger at nine feet and 12 feet. At nine feet, they could linger for two to three minutes. Okay. But the the concentration is less than what it would be at six feet by a factor of eight. The professors say the drop lesses are less dense the further they travel but still hang in the air. Still with the ability to carry disease. And watch this. Even when we put a simple mask on the dummy, particles still disburse from the sides of the mask though they didnt travel very far. If youre not wearing a mask youre supposed to cough into your elbow but if you cough into your hand, that is what happens. Lets turn out the lights and ill simulate a cough. You could see the droplets spray in all directions. This may not travel as far, three feet or so, but they spray everywhere and they could linger in the air for possibly as long as three minutes. Intensity of the cough matters. So we tested a gentle cough, too. The lighter quacough went three feet but the question remains is how close is too close. Do you think based on what woof seen in the lab six feet is enough for social distancing. Six feet is a minimum distance to keep. But further is better. Further is better. Reporter so we shot that inside in a small lab. But outside is a very different story with a slight breeze im feeling today the professor said the cough would go up and the droplets disburse to the side and maybe travel three or 4 feet but what got me is how long it hangs in the air. They said several minutes as you heard there. So if you walk into a elevator or a restaurant now that theyre starting to open and somebody coughed, just a few minutes before that and you dont know it, those droplets are still in the air and they could get you. Now that was incredible to see that demonstration. I just had no idea how far a cough could potentially travel. Randi kaye, thank you so much for doing that. Just to show us. Appreciate it. Great to see you. One drugmaker said it now has an Antibody Test that is nearly 100 effective so well talk to a emergency room doctor and ask if that is a gamechanger and the most promising treatments so far for coronavirus patients in the icu. So stand by. Drug giant roche has received emergency authorization from the fda for the new coronavirus Antibody Test. It is a test that the company said catches 99. 8 of people infected and detects 100 of the people who have not been infected. Elizabeth cohen has more on how the white house has tightened the rules on the Antibody Tests. Reporter on monday the Trump Administration walking back a policy they instituted in midmarch. Trump said to fight covid19 they were going to change some of the rules and regulations so in midmarch the u. S. Food and Drug Administration told Test Developers who were making Antibody Tests, hey, you could market your tests and you dont have to prove that they work. So what happened is that the market was flooded with, quote, crappy tests. The word crappy being used by a major public lab association. Many of the tests didnt work. Now the fda saying if you want to sell an Antibody Test in the United States, you first have to prove that it works. Brooke. Elizabeth, thank you. And i want to talk more about the Antibody Tests. Dr. Crist fear seymour is from the university of Pittsburgh Medical Center and a researcher who has been involved in the Clinical Trials to test coronavirus therapy. So doctor, thank you so much for being on. And speaking from an experience and having been sick, looking for a reliable Antibody Test, do you take this company at its word when they say it is 99 accurate . I think so. And thanks for having me, brooke and were glad youre feeling better. This is really exciting news. We for months heard about tests that might not be accurate and now to be able to understand if a patient is actually had coronavirus and perhaps not known it, has great implications for Coronavirus Task<\/a> force and the task force has not met in person as they are scaling back the number of meetings that theyre having but this modeling is not reflective of the data that task force has been looking at. So they are trying to put distance but not denying the authenticity of the projections that youre seeing and you wonder how much theyre taking it into account. You saw the president last night revise the death toll of what he had been saying. I think two and a half three weeks ago when he said the death toll could be as low as 50,000 but last night he said it could go up from 75,000 to 100,000 as he was seeming to get more realistic about what the numbers are looking like. And despite, that they continue easing restrictions and reopening in the face of the sobering numbers in this document. And one of them that is most striking is not only just the death and how much those could increase but the number of new cases per day where this document has it going from 25,000 a day as it is now to maybe even potentially 200,000 by the end of this month, early next month. So that is striking to see and of course this goes as youre continuing to see the president s economic aides want to get the economy reopened while the Health Experts<\/a> have been incredibly cautious saying they are just too concerned about what could happen if too many states open just too quickly, brooke. Kaitlan, thank you very much. I want to go straight to the good doctor here. Our cnn chief medical correspondent dr. Sanjay gupta is with us with dana bash. But sanjay, straight to you, again, when you hear 3,000 deaths daily and that would put us back to where we were in midmarch, what do you make of these numbers and do we even know how they arrived at these numbers . Yeah, well, like you, brooke, i hate hearing numbers like this. But this is not surprising. Weve seen these models for some time. A lot of attention has been focused on the one model out of the university of washington which is talked about death tolls around 60,000 70,000. And there have been models including from the federal government that projected sadly death tolls much higher. I think there is two things that really jump out and we havent seen the report itself, were just seeing some of the current projections but the earlier report are in line with this. Two things. One is that the mitigation efforts, the stayathome orders have had an impact. But seemingly what theyve done is theyve brought things down to a lower level of daily infections. It did not sort of create this back end of the curve that we were sort of thinking would happen, that we would be able to contain this. It just got this slowing down to a certain level. So it had an impact but not as great an impact as we hoped. Because even 1,700 people dying a day is obviously staggering to think about. The second thing, which i think, brooke, is no surprise, we talked about this on friday, places are starting to reopen. So the whole idea that youre going to see an increase then in the number of people who become infected, the number of people who are hospitalized and may die is sad but true. I just want to show if i can, if we have this flattening the curve graphic that we showed so many times a few weeks ago, if you look at the flattening of the curve, if you look at the volume under both curves, the one that has the bigger peak and the flatter peak, theyre about the same, right. It was just a question of sort of spreading out the pace at which people became infected and to some degree weve been able to do that. But as we start to reopen, that pace will pick up and the number of people who will become infected that other wise wouldnt have will increase. So this is not the news people want to hear but it is the honest news, brooke. So, just so im following you, because youve also made the point you live in georgia georgia is reopening and so many states are reopening and the point youve made is we wont know the data in terms of infections or worse for another couple of weeks. So if we take this number 3,000 deaths a day or 200,000 cases a day, does that factor in the next couple of weeks of the states reopening . Yeah. That is a great question, brooke. Because i think it was really interesting to me when i looked at the university of washington model, the ihme model, that was starting to go up without even factoring in the reopening. So there was also the sense that the for whatever reason, maybe people werent being as diligent about staying at home, even in places where they should have been. We dont know what the reason is. But even before reopening, the numbers were already starting to creep up. So this is starting to take into account some of this. But this is not taking into full account of the dozens of states that are reopening. So, again, i take no joy in saying this, but i think that the numbers that were looking at as stark as they are may be even higher in terms of the projections once we start to take into account all of the states opening. And we want to avoid that explosive growth that we saw in midmarch. That is when the hospitals were really taxed, brooke. When people were complaining they didnt have enough personal protective equipment and worried that people otherwise who may have been cared for may have been dying preventible deaths and we dont want to be in that situation again and that is what the projections are clearly warning us about. We have to listen. People are taking victory laps or spiking the football, whatever you want to call it. We are not out of this yet. And again i take no joy in saying that and ill get tons of hate mail and as i always do but we have to tell people the truth right now because there is a path out of this if we are very, very clear about what is happening right now. No, youre a truthteller and we respect you for that. And one more piece of information that just came in, the key coronavirus model said it will revise projections to nearly 135,000 u. S. Deaths, almost double the previous prediction. And the institute for Health Metrics<\/a> at the university of washington cites relaxed social distancing and increased mobility, so that is precisely to the point you were just making. Yeah. Look, if you look at numbers and do the quick math, and i hate to speak about that in such clinical terms, especially youve dealt with this firsthand but you talk about 200,000 people saying may become infected every day. Every day. Right now were just over a Million People<\/a>. So now theyre saying it could be 200,000 people infected every day and up to 3,000 deaths a day. That is what theyre saying. That is a 1. 5 mortality. We talked about this since january. The flu is around. 1 . If were talking about something that is 10 to 15 times more lethal that makes the case that the best we can do until we have to outpace this thing but getting a good therapeutic or vaccine and we will but something that lethal in the interim makes the case we have to do everything we can right now staying home, washing hands, weari Wearing Masks<\/a> and it shows youre a good courteous human being and it is the best that we have. Well get through. It but right now it is the best we have. And dana, let me bring you this in. It is the white house projecting the numbers privately yet no the president very publicly is pushing to reopen, even saying states like virginia arent opening fast enough. Will this have an impact on how the white house moves forward. Unclear. And that is the honest answer at this point. The other side of this, inthat n yeah was alluding to, with that grim and pragmatic medical view of the situation going forward, is the way that people are suffering economically. And i know sanjay knows this and recognizes this as do all other medical professionals making these really stark recommendations to continue to stay home and use preventative measures. But the president , what he is saying, what he said last night at the town hall and continues to say more and more is based on the pressure that he is getting, not just from his base, not just from red states but even more broadly now, that the economy is already so dire and could be in a place that none of us could even imagine since the depression times. If he doesnt start to reopen. And ill just tell you, just before coming on with you, brooke, i was talking to Chris Christie<\/a> and his recommendation was weve got to start to reopen, do it carefully and slowly but that leaders in this country have to just say, point blank, people are going to die. And its the price that Society Needs<\/a> to pay to restart the economy. And he said it in characteristically blunt terms. Unclear if the president will do that. But that for sure is the kind of thing that the president and other leaders are hearing privately in one ear as theyre hearing what sanjay was saying in the other. Yeah. I appreciate all of this analysis. Dana, thank you and sanjay and thank you your daughter for sending me the mask. I wear it everywhere we go. Welcome back b. B. Thank you. Love you d. B. Listen, six feet may not be enough. Icles from a heavy cough could travel up to twice that distance. We have those details ahead. And a potential gamechanger in tracking the spread of the virus. One drugmaker claims it has an Antibody Test<\/a> that is nearly 100 accurate. Could be great news for everyone. And masks are a simple and effective way of stopping the sprez of the coronavirus. So why are people threatening violence after being told to wear them . Hey, can i. Safe drivers save 40 guys guys safe drivers save 40 safe drivers save 40 safe drivers save 40 thats safe drivers save 40 . It is, thats safe drivers save 40 . Hes right there. Its him safe drivers do save 40 . Click or call for a quote today. Many of lifes moments in thare being put on hold. Are staying at home, safe drivers do save 40 . At carvana, we understand that, for some, getting a car just cant wait. To help, were giving our customers up to 90 days to make their first payment. Shop online from the comfort of your couch, and get your car with touchless delivery to keep you safe. And for even Greater Peace<\/a> of mind, all carvana cars come with a sevenday return policy. So, if you need to keep moving, were here for you. At carvana the safer way to buy a car. I know that every time that i suit up, there is a chance that thats the last time. 300 miles an hour, thats where i feel normal. I might be crazy but im not stupid. Having an annuity tells me that im protected. During turbulent times, consider protected Lifetime Income<\/a> from an annuity as part of your retirement plan. This can help you cover your essential monthly expenses. Learn more at protectedincome. Org. Noticks and fleas . O simplifies protection. See ya heartworm disease . No way simparica trio is the first chewable that delivers all this protection. And simparica trio is demonstrated safe for puppies. Its simple go with simparica trio. This drug class has been associated with neurologic adverse reactions, including seizures; use with caution in dogs with a history of these disorders. Protect him with all your heart. Simparica trio. Welcome back. On this monday afternoon, ibrooe baldwin. As were learning about the cases, 40 states will have started reopening businesses in some way by the end of the week and among them the state of florida where phase one begins today. Cnns randi kaye is life there in west palm beach. And a Million People<\/a>, a million have filed for unemployment thus far in florida. So the governor is feeling the pressure to get stores and services open. But it is still with social distancing, right . Reporter supposedly. People are certainly beg beiingd to social distance. In miami beach they closed a park and issued 8,000 violations for not social distancing and wearing face masks as it required there. But as you mentioned, this is phase one. It is a learning experience apparently. More beaches are opening today. Including popular ones in clearwater and destin and pensacola and state parks are opening and restaurants have limited capacity and retailers have opening to 25 capacity. Some thing are still closed like some of the museums are closed here, the movie theaters are closed, the salons and the spas and also three major counties in south florida, including palm beach and broward and miamidade because they were the hardest hit counties. That is about 30 of the states population so a highly populated area. About 6. 2 Million People<\/a> living there. But as you mentioned, social distancing is key. Which is why we wanted to know how far does a cough travel. So we went to a florida lab to find out. Heavy cough. Three, two, one. Reporter inside of this lab at Florida Atlantic<\/a> university to engineer professors are measuring the power of a cough. Three, two, one. Reporter using a dummy they fill the mouth with a mix of glycerine and water and with a pump force the dummy to cough. Then wait to see how far the droplets travel. They fill the air. Visible with the green laser light. Simulating what happens when we cough. It generates particles on the order of 10 to 20 microns which is close to the roughly the smallest droplet size when we cough. Take note how quickly this droplet spread. Reporter the droplets expelled traveled 3 feet almost immediately. Within five seconds the droplets were at six feet. Then nine feet in just about ten seconds. Remember, nine feet is three feet beyond the recommended social distancing guidelines. Already reaching roughly 9 feet now. And still moving farther slowly. Reporter the fog of droplets lingers in air but kept moving forward taking another 30 to 40 seconds to float another three feet. It is getting closer to 12 feet now. Reporter yes, he said 12 feet. Over and over again the simulated droplets blew past the six foot mark and often doubling that distance. That is past three feet already. Approaching six feet. And it looks like it has crossed six feet. And now it has slowed down. How long might they linger at nine feet and 12 feet. At nine feet, they could linger for two to three minutes. Okay. But the the concentration is less than what it would be at six feet by a factor of eight. The professors say the drop lesses are less dense the further they travel but still hang in the air. Still with the ability to carry disease. And watch this. Even when we put a simple mask on the dummy, particles still disburse from the sides of the mask though they didnt travel very far. If youre not wearing a mask youre supposed to cough into your elbow but if you cough into your hand, that is what happens. Lets turn out the lights and ill simulate a cough. You could see the droplets spray in all directions. This may not travel as far, three feet or so, but they spray everywhere and they could linger in the air for possibly as long as three minutes. Intensity of the cough matters. So we tested a gentle cough, too. The lighter quacough went three feet but the question remains is how close is too close. Do you think based on what woof seen in the lab six feet is enough for social distancing. Six feet is a minimum distance to keep. But further is better. Further is better. Reporter so we shot that inside in a small lab. But outside is a very different story with a slight breeze im feeling today the professor said the cough would go up and the droplets disburse to the side and maybe travel three or 4 feet but what got me is how long it hangs in the air. They said several minutes as you heard there. So if you walk into a elevator or a restaurant now that theyre starting to open and somebody coughed, just a few minutes before that and you dont know it, those droplets are still in the air and they could get you. Now that was incredible to see that demonstration. I just had no idea how far a cough could potentially travel. Randi kaye, thank you so much for doing that. Just to show us. Appreciate it. Great to see you. One drugmaker said it now has an Antibody Test<\/a> that is nearly 100 effective so well talk to a emergency room doctor and ask if that is a gamechanger and the most promising treatments so far for coronavirus patients in the icu. So stand by. Drug giant roche has received emergency authorization from the fda for the new coronavirus Antibody Test<\/a>. It is a test that the company said catches 99. 8 of people infected and detects 100 of the people who have not been infected. Elizabeth cohen has more on how the white house has tightened the rules on the Antibody Test<\/a>s. Reporter on monday the Trump Administration<\/a> walking back a policy they instituted in midmarch. Trump said to fight covid19 they were going to change some of the rules and regulations so in midmarch the u. S. Food and Drug Administration<\/a> told Test Developers<\/a> who were making Antibody Test<\/a>s, hey, you could market your tests and you dont have to prove that they work. So what happened is that the market was flooded with, quote, crappy tests. The word crappy being used by a major public lab association. Many of the tests didnt work. Now the fda saying if you want to sell an Antibody Test<\/a> in the United States<\/a>, you first have to prove that it works. Brooke. Elizabeth, thank you. And i want to talk more about the Antibody Test<\/a>s. Dr. Crist fear seymour is from the university of Pittsburgh Medical Center<\/a> and a researcher who has been involved in the Clinical Trials<\/a> to test coronavirus therapy. So doctor, thank you so much for being on. And speaking from an experience and having been sick, looking for a reliable Antibody Test<\/a>, do you take this company at its word when they say it is 99 accurate . I think so. And thanks for having me, brooke and were glad youre feeling better. This is really exciting news. We for months heard about tests that might not be accurate and now to be able to understand if a patient is actually had coronavirus and perhaps not known it, has great implications for Public Health<\/a> as well as for us as individuals. So surely there will be this rush on this particular Antibody Test<\/a>, right . People wanting to get it to see if theyre immune. Who will be able to get it, how will they priorityize this . I think first of all Health Care Workers<\/a> are likely to be the ones tested. Initially. Because it is so important that our nurses and our physicians are able to understand whether they might not have known that they had the disease and perhaps theyre better. But we expect that this test and others like it, there are many that were approved will be used quite broadly as one piece of the puzzle to get us back to normal. Of course. And the ceo of the company who make this is particular test says people who test positive should still be careful and social distancing. What would your advice be to someone who finds they do have coronavirus antibodies . Sure, well, at least the data weve seen so far would suggest that the antibodies are present, the patient has likely had coronavirus at some point in the past. But the immunology of covid is complex and we dont know. Patients may make antibodies early and some may make them late and it is unclear how long they stick around for in the body and were not certain whether that means theyre protected from a new infection. You have talked about the various complications that youre seeing in coronavirus patients, ranging from blood clots to lung issues and we have talked here on cnn and of course it is dr. Fauci talking about this drug remdisivir as a potentially having hope for speeding up the time in which somebody is sick. What do you think is the most promising treatment right now . Sure. Well, that is a great question. What i could tell you is that there are so many treatments being proposed. Not more than patients but more than weve ever seen for a condition like this. And what we need is more Clinical Trials<\/a>. The remdisivir data that was discussed this past week is also super exciting. But that is one report about one drug. Were seeing all kinds of complications in coronavirus patients, there could be blood clotting as you mentioned, severe lung injury that lasts for weeks, we think that it is going to be a sort of a cocktail of medications that work at different mechanisms of the disease to ultimately improve outcomes. And lastly, dr. Seymour, what is the most surprising thing youve seen with the patients, most underreported . Yeah, well, it is almost a human point but there is a resilience that weve seen in our patients. We hear anecdotes about folks surviving who we thought at all costs would either never wake up or never survive their stay on the ventilator. I think the Health Care Workers<\/a> who have worked so hard and sacrificed their own time and even put themselves at risk to save their lives has been remarkable and were starting to see the benefits of that, inside of the icu and outside of it as well. Well live it resilience. Thank you for everything youre doing. We appreciate it. Thank you for having me. Trump said states are heading in the right direction when it comes to coronavirus cases. And well fact check that. And now a back off of mandatory face masks after employees have been verbally harassed and threatened with physical violence. Heres the thing about managing multiple clouds for your business. When youve got public clouds, and private clouds, and hybrid clouds things can get a bit cloudy for you. But now, theres the Dell Technologies<\/a> cloud, powered by vmware. A single hub for a consistent operating experience across all your clouds. That should clear things up. Many of lifes moments in thare being put on hold. Are staying at home, at carvana, we understand that, for some, getting a car just cant wait. To help, were giving our customers up to 90 days to make their first payment. Shop online from the comfort of your couch, and get your car with touchless delivery to keep you safe. 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Attorneys to be on the look out for Health Restrictions<\/a> that could interfere with Constitutional Rights<\/a> and people who cheered that because they do want to go back to church ands t that y talked about and there are fear they are encouraging people to do something unsafe at the time when some states are going up. Well there not too many states that i know of that are going up. Almost everybody is heading in the right direction. Lets go to daniel dale with me now on Fact Checking<\/a> the president. So what is the accuracy of what the president just said . Well, brooke, it is just not accurate. Lets acknowledge that the president was vague here and acknowledge there are different ways to slice and dice different coronavirus data. In fact trumps own former fda chief Scott Gottlieb<\/a> tweeted that we have 20 different states where the number of newly reported cases is increasing from Johns Hopkins<\/a> university and in the middle of the country, not just new york or the north east where the number of new cases is increasing. Now it is important to say some of the increase might be because theyre conducting more tests but other data suggested it is not an increase in testing resulting in the worsening of the numbers. You see in minnesota, for example, theyre seeing a worsening in hospitalization numbers, their icu numbers, this is not just more testing this is worsening in a substantial chunk of the United States<\/a>. The president was asked about whether he could have done more earlier to stop the spread of covid19 and here is what he had to say. It is quick and he mentioned dr. Fauci. Everybody even tony fauci was saying it will pass, not going to be a big deal. Not going to be a big deal. Is that what dr. Fauci said. That is not what fauci said. So trump appeared to be pointing as other conservatives had to the comments he made on the today show in late february. Listen to that clip of what fauci said. At this moment there is no need to change anything if youre doing on a daybyday basis. Right now the risk is still low but this could change. Ive said this many times even on this program. This could be a major outbreak. I hope not. Or something that is reasonably well controlled. At the end of the day, this will ultimately go down, hopefully, we could protect the American Public<\/a> from any serious degree of morbidity and mortality. That is the reason why weve got to do the things that we have in our plan. So its fair for people to ask why fauci was telling people they didnt need to change yet. You could make an argument he wasnt severe enough in his warning but he didnt say it is no big deal. That is just inaccurate. What about how the president was asked about the race for a vaccine and he compared it to the efforts to create an aids vaccine. Here he was. We will be aids free within eight years. We started ten years. Shut have started in the previous administration. They did nothing. It started with my administration. And you call out specifically the comments as egregious. It is an egregious lie, brooke. Hes been saying this over and over again. It is not true that he started the effort to eradicate hiv aids in the United States<\/a> and the Obama Administration<\/a> spent more than 5. 5 billion per year on the three main domestic antihiv aids alone and there was billions more and also passed the Affordable Care<\/a> act that expanded care to to more people who needed medicaid as well as protected people with preexisting conditions and introduced a comprehensive antiai antiaids strategy that the Trump Administration<\/a> credited before they released their own plan. I spoke to one expert in the field for decades who called this outrageous and not true. Im so glad you were able to fact check that. It is important to present the facts when we listen to him. Daniel, thank you very much. One city is backing off the order that people wear masks at restaurants and stores after Business Owners<\/a> are verbally abused, even threatened with a gun in one case. Well talk to the city manager next. And breaking news out of france. Doctors in paris say they have found evidence that a patient treated in December December<\/a> had coronavirus. Which means this was circulating in europe much earlier than we thought. Now, simparica trio simplifies protection. Ticks and fleas . See ya heartworm disease . No way simparica trio is the first chewable that delivers all this protection. And simparica trio is demonstrated safe for puppies. Its simple go with simparica trio. This drug class has been associated with neurologic adverse reactions, including seizures; use with caution in dogs with a history of these disorders. Protect him with all your heart. Simparica trio. Just into cnn, california will begin reopening this friday. California governor gavin newsom announcing that retail shops and florists and book stores could finally open stores. Guidelines will be released on thursday and businesses will be required to have active monitoring and surveillance to ensure the virus is not spreading. California was the first to issue a mandatory stayathome order. Stability of the hospitalizations and testing and tracing capacity are currently being met. Now to this. Unfortunate, distressing, just two words to describe how some people in still water oklahoma responded after being ordered to wear face masks in public to stop the spread of covid19. People who own or work in still water businesses report being threatened with violence after the rule went into effect thursday. And some of the threats were reportedly coming from people carrying guns. The next day the mayor backed off and now instead of a law requiring masks in public they are simply encouraged to do so. With me now normal nichol, the still water city manager. So thank you for being on with me. Good afternoon. Could you be specific about describing some of the incidents that prompted the mayor so quickly to back off requiring folks wear face masks . Well, when our emergency proclamation went into effect last friday, at midnight, the next morning when businesses opened they began receiving verbal abuse and threatens of physical violence for being from patrons being asked to put on a face mask. And it got to the point where the managers at those businesses felt that it was putting their employees in a dangerous situation to try to enforce that. And that they simply could not. The incident involving the firearm was actually a call to the Police Department<\/a> saying that if the mask mandate stayed in place, that that person would deal with that with his Second Amendment<\/a> rights. So wow and then fortunately over the weekend we had a dilemma and our concern was the safety of the people in regard to the coronavirus and the safety of those and Business Owners<\/a>. The police cannot be everywhere, just cannot. It puts them in a situation of an incident already occurring, someone being injured or worst as happened in flint, michigan over the weekend where a Security Guard<\/a> was shot and killed for asking someone to wear a mask into a store and that person is still at large. It came down to weighing the safety of those Business People<\/a> and employees against insisting that people wear masks. Can you help us understand why are those people who made the threats, why are they so angry . Well, i think there are several reasons. One, theyve been closed up for several weeks. About six weeks. I think thats part of it. I think that and i do want to say we live in a university community, we have really good citizens here. This is a reasonably small group of people but in charge enough to cause a significant problem. I think there is mixed messages going on about the virus and how it can be caught and whether or not its still here. I received one message that said that you couldnt get it from aerosol. So the unfortunate thing is theres a lot of disinformation out there and a lot of people are listening to it. I hear you. So the mixed messages affects the folks and then the threats and then the mayor had to back off. Given what we do know about the data and the facts about Wearing Masks<\/a>, right, and how protective they can be, why would the mayor back off, especially its for the publics good, its for Public Health<\/a> . Well, because this is also for the publics health. Again, the police cant be everywhere all the time. And we weighed the safety of the employees at local businesses and their police for help. And you cant put a Police Officer<\/a> in every Retail Establishment<\/a> in the city. Its just not possible. And one can look at it that we gave into the bullies or one could look at it that we provided for a safe environment for those employees. Those stores can still insist that somebody wear a mask if they walk past the entrance without it, they can call the police and that person can be taken out for trespassing. There is not unfetterred access to private property. I understand. Here is my final question, norman. Where do you think wearing face masks, not just where you are but nationwide, has become such a flashpoint . Once again, i think people feel absolutely unable to deal with theres not something they can do to deal with this whole situation. It is as you know, unseen enemy. They dont see it. Weve been fortunate here with a low number of cases and a low number of hospitalizations and one death in our county. And i think the belief is that its just gone. Or that theyre young enough that they will catch it and survive. And frankly, many of them dont care much about others that they might pass it on to. I hope your numbers still stay low in stillwater where you are in oklahoma. I really do appreciate you coming on, thank you. Breaking news in france, doctors say they treated a coronavirus patient a full month before it was reported in that country, full details next. My cholesterol is borderline. I can worry about it, or do something about it. Garlique helps maintain healthy cholesterol naturally, and its odorfree, and pharmacist recommended. Garlique heres breaking news out of france. Doctors at a hospital north of paris say they found evidence that a patient they treated back in december was infected with coronavirus. That would mean the virus was spreading in a country one month before the First Official<\/a> cases were reported. For more development around the world, lets check in with our International Team<\/a> of cnn correspondents. Reporter im Clarissa Ward<\/a> in london where Prime Minister<\/a> Boris Johnson<\/a> is expected on sunday to lay out what the lifting of the lockdown may look like here in the uk. Some suggested guidelines, according to british media reports, including staggering work hours, enforcing ppe in the workplace, also social distancing in the workplace, and trying to eliminate rush hour on public transport. All of this happening, though, as the uk prepares to meet a grim milestone, potentially overtaking italy this week as having the highest number of deaths from coronavirus in europe. Reporter here in italy, were seeing the beginning of phase ii, thats what the government calls coexisting with coronavirus. Across this country, around 4 Million People<\/a> are finally able to go back to work today. These are people who havent been able to work since march 10. Restaurants and coffee bars are finally able to offer inrestaurant service. Reporter im david culver in shanghai where Chinese State<\/a> media is attacking secretary of state mike pompeo, calling him evil, saying hes spreading rumors. This in response to pompeos remarks over the weekend suggesting that the chinese concealed their knowledge of the outbreak early on and stockpiled supplies and badlyneeded ppe. Meantime, at the epicenter of the outbreak in china, wuhan, china, theyll begin a staggered reopening of schools, yet another step towards normality. Thank you, everyone. Im Brooke Baldwin<\/a> in new york. Special coverage begins now with jake tapper. This is cnn breaking news. Welcome to the lead. Im jake tapper. Right now the number of deaths in the United States<\/a> from coronavirus continues to climb. 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