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CNNW The Situation Room November 12, 2014

Tested during president obamas visit. The new warplane can avoid detection by radar. Was the technology stolen from the United States . Dramatic rescue. Window washers left dangling 69 floors up. You will see how they were brought to safety. Im wolf blitzer. Youre in the situation room. Captions by vitac www. Vitac. Com this is cnn breaking news. Lets get right to the breaking news. The United States and its Coalition Partners now realizes isis cant be defeated without big changes inside syria including the ouster of the syrian president Bashar Al Assad. New details on a new strategy. One of those Coalition Partners, turkey, is the scene on an attack on u. S. Sailors. The americans surrounded, threatened and roughed up by a group of radical activists. The chairman of the House Foreign Affairs committee congressman ed royce is standing by along with our correspondent, our analysts and newsmakers. Lets begin the breaking News Coverage this hour with an intensive effort to come up with a new strategy to defeat isis. Theyre convinced that means a new strategy for syria, one that would remove president Bashar Al Assad from power. Our Global Affairs correspondent elise labott is here and working the story. What are you learning . Wolf, two months ago president obama was slammed for saying he didnt have a strategy and now the president is seeking to review a plan for syria including the eventual remover of Bashar Al Assad. You are not going to defeat isis without a plan to get rid of assad who the u. S. And many of the allies see as the reason isis has been able to gain strength in the country. Its really an admission the initial strategy to confront icis in iraq first and take on syria was a major miscalculation. In just the past week the National Security team has met four times including one meeting chaired by the president , wolf, to discuss how the syria strategy will fit into the overall strategy of combatting isis. How are the allies and Coalition Partners reacting to this emerging strategy . Wolf, you know many of the president s advisers and secretary kerrys defense and secretary hagel have been calling for a more robust strategy in syria and when secretary kerrie and general john allen who is the envoy to the Global Coalition travel across the globe theyre talking with the allies and some are saying, listen, the strategy to defeat isis only works if there is a coherent plan for a more serious future. Secretary kerry intensifying talks with allies and arab diplomats tell cnn kerry, allen and others have been pushing for a political road map transitioning assad from power and it went after icis in iraq hoping that it would give them time to have a moderate rebel force who would go after isis and eventually assads regime and officials realize they dont have the time to go after iraq first, because the administration is battling the opposition is battling two fronts. The regime and isis that could be obliterated by the time the u. S. Pivots to syria to iraq and talk about the trainerequipped program with allies. The vetting of those rebels hasnt started yet and it would be very difficult and you dont have a viable plan for an opposition and political opposition in syria, but we understand that secretary kerrie and key arab allies and turkey, the uae and saudi arabia and russia involved and secretary kerry has mentioned this on the margins of Nuclear Talks to i n Iranian Foreign ministers and theyre hoping that everybody can at least agree on a political transition and its going to take a lot of time and eventually they do want to see president assad out, but maybe maintain a lot of the regime and the institutions of the state. The iranians dont want to see president Bashar Al Assad out there and they can have talks on the margins. That will probably not go very far with the iranians. Elise, thanks very much. Turkey, a key nato ally, a partner in this fight against isis the scene of a being shoing incidents and all chaptered on video. Three american sailors are surrounded and they have bags thrown over their heads and roughed up during shore leave. Barbara starr, what happened . Wolf, the u. S. Is calling this video appalling and disturbing and that is just the beginning of it. The attack begins with antiamerican slogans shouted at three u. S. Navy sailors on shore leefr in istanbul, turkey. You declare that youre a member of u. S. Army and now because we define you as murderers, as killers we want you to get out of our land. Then the assailants throw objects and splash red paint and physically assault the sailors. About 20 men swarm them, shoving, grabbing and yankee, go home yankee, go home and then they put bags over their heads. The sailors put their hands up and do not resist. No one comes to their aid. The assailants then chase the americans as they run, still chanting yankee, go home this event clearly crossed the line from peaceful protest to violence and threats. The Turkish Youth Union and Antigovernment Group claims responsibility, putting out a statement saying in part, bags we put over american soldiers are for the nations from palestine to syria. They went to a place where they expected to see american sailors and they were carrying banners with the photograph on them and their groups emblem. They had the bags with them so this was clearly something that was planned. The incident especially sensitive because it happened in turkey. A nato ally, the u. S. Wants help from in the war against isis in next door syria and iraq. The beseeched syrian city of kobani within eyesight of the turkish border. The u. S. Has been pressing for the use of turkish bases and to have turkey host training of moderate syrian rebels. It comes as the u. N. Strategy and Coalition Commitment is being called into question. Pentagon leadership will face a republican dominated House Arms Services committee hearing. I dont think the White House Administration is totally in tune with what needs to be done. Republican patience is running out. What i want to hear from them is what theyre going to do to fix this strategy. Back to those sailor, wolf. The u. S. Navy is applauding them for keeping their cool and not doing anything themselves to escalate the situation. Still, those young men had to have been traumatized by this. Im sure they were. They had those bags thrown over their head and there were shouts of yankees, go home. This was an ugly, ugly scene, barbara, thanks for that report. Lets get more from the chief National Correspondent jim sciutto. This u. S. Turkish relationship it potentially could be on the line. This just in to cnn that the cnn has canceled all shore leefr for sailors from the uss ross, the guided missile destroyer from which those sailors had come on shore from. That in itself not a major step. The ross was planning to push out tomorrow, but for all future u. S. Ships visiting turkey and this happens eight to ten times a year as they go into the black sea, their shore leave is now to be determined, going forward, the u. S. Navy taking this very seriously. Theyre going to base that decision on how the investigation turns out with turkish authorities in conjunction with the u. S. Embassy and consulate in turkey, as well as they look into who carried out this attack. Even earlier they had been told, jim, dont wear uniforms in turkey, wear civilian clothes. No question. This is a step that were hearing even across the border, north of us here in canada in response to an attack we had a couple of weeks ago by a car on a canadian serviceman that this is a concern. Theyre not telling anybody not to wear their uniforms anywhere in the world, but it is a step theyre willing to take in countries where they face threats like this. Jim, thanks very much. Lets get some more now and joining us the chairman of the House Foreign Affairs committee and ed royce of california. Mr. Chairman, thanks very much for joining us. Thats very disturbing to see whats going on in istanbul, three american sailors, they leave the uss ross and they go out there from shore leave and all of a sudden theyre roughed up by these turkish thugs. And they kept their composure, but i think whats very, very concerning to us is that this particular ultranationalist group that obviously preplanned this attack, it would be good if you heard the head of state in Turkey Erdogan speak out, but instead of ratcheting the pressure and the temperature down, his rhetoric has been increasingly antiamerican in and of itself and so, for it to be a nato ally and to have a government here that is so problematic increasingly, thats been one of the challenges and theyre still not letting u. S. Warplanes take off or land at any of the nato bases in turkey in insurlic. We hope through diplomacy to resolve these issues because frankly they should have the same interests we have with respect with going against isis, but in the meantime if they dont bring charges against this ultranationalist turkey organization, i think well have questions. You want to see arrests and major action. You know the Turkish Military and their overall security are pretty good if youve ever been to turkey. Could an incidents like this happen without them knowing about it . Is this just a bunch of random hooligans, if you will . Because this is a this looked like a pretty well organized operation. I think they can reassure us by making arrests and by bringing these d individuals to the bar of justice and yes, i think theys have the capability to do it. I want you to hold on for a moment. We have a lot more to discuss. We have to take a quick break. Much more from the chairman of the house Foreign Relations committee. Much more after this. 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What does that mean the u. S. , we bring troops back into the field . What does that mean . This would mean that turkey would actually commit brigades. Their armor is up on the border. You watch that battle and you reported over that battle over kobani where you saw the armored divisions of turkey not engage in the fight, but simply sitting there watching on the turkish border, you know, a few football fields away. They could move into these areas and really push back isis, but theyve asked for a plan and a plan that deals with the removal of assad. Combat boots on the ground, as they say, the turkish combat troops going in and why should Turkish Ground forces go in and they refuse to send Ground Troops on the ground. Show us a plan and show us something that gets to a situation that will resolve the problem in syria such as the removal of assad and at that point, we will consider sending those turkish boots on the ground and thats part of the dialogue. That would be a Huge Development if turkish combat troops, artillery, tanks and armored personnel carriers and warplane, if they were to move in, not just go against isis and move against the Bashar Al Assad regime and youre talking about a huge escalation of this war. Or a solution to the problem of getting a resolution because at this point youve got several million refushgees from syria mt of them right on the border or inside turkey. You have massive losses of life and so turkey could be in the largest army and in this theater could put an enormous amount of pressure and i think this might be an attempt to get more engagement from turkey on this resolution of the problem with iceis. Could you see a day when the u. S. Could start using combat Ground Forces in syria or iraq for that matter . I dont see that happening. What i see is the u. S. Potentially training kurdish forces, u. S. Training sunni antiisil forces whether they be iraqi or whether they be the free syrian army. That i could see, but not the introduction of u. S. Combat troops. You dont see that at all . This training program, though, that could take years and years and years to get anywhere, right . In syria or iraq, for that matter . The Iraqi Military has proven to be basically mia. Think about this, you have a different situation in baghdad today. When general allen was there last training for the awakening in anbar province, at that point you had a functioning relationship and then you ended up with malaki and now malaki is gone. For that reason theyve asked general allen to return to start the training again with the presumption that the situation has change nowed and we can get some support to those antiisil forces. We want them to do the fight. Very quickly on ukraine and it looks like that situation along with the russian border in ukraine is escalating big time and the nato supreme allied commander and even as concerned, he raised the specter of russia moving equipment and weapons into ukraine that have nuclear capability. Theyve been sounding the alarm here and i think what he sees on the ground is Russian Forces as well as the rebels. With this with equipment moving to try to take the airfield in donetsk outside of donetsk and whats unusual is the degree of involvement of regular russian army troops. In the past theyve tried to disguise this, but the other you have no doubt that regular Russian Military personnel wearing just undeclared uniforms and wearing military uniforms are deeply entrenched fighting inside ukraine . I have no doubt. Ive talked to people in theater and there is no doubt at this point in time. Not just in crimea, but elsewhere in eastern europe. Theyre over the border and theyre over the border with equipment and this is no longer just a fight against rebels. This is Russian Forces thinly disguised that are carrying out the attacks against ukrainian forces. In china the president , president obama spent 15 or 20 minutes in three separate occasions having these informal conversations with the russian president vladimir putin. We dont know what was said and they may have had an opportunity to have more informal conversations in brisbane, australia, which is about to begin. What should he say to putin. I think whats surprising here is that with the price of oil rapidly declining because of what the saudis are doing and pumping, that is 70 of the exports for russia. Its 52 of the budget for their defense and for their government and you can see the problem that russias going to be in between sanctions, declining prices on oil. Now is the time for putin to take an exit ramp, you know, off of this situation and wind this thing down especially with the offer from the Ukrainian Government for much more local autonomy, for rebuilding donetsk and recognizing the russian language in the region and it will be a winwin for everybody and face saving for russia and russia s

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