Transcripts For CNNW The Situation Room With Wolf Blitzer 20

Transcripts For CNNW The Situation Room With Wolf Blitzer 20200204

Unacceptable. So again, we will have a thorough and independent review of exactly what happened last night. Right now, we are in the process of making sure that we get the results out. That is what we will stay focused on. Donald trump has suggested that this whole process is rigged. How do you combat that or assure the americans that it is something that we can trust the data . We have said all along, that we would make the caucuses more transparent, and this year, we are reporting out more data than we have ever reported before and in addition to that, we have paper trails that we have never had before. So we will take the time to verify the results, but the results are based off of what happened in the precincts last night. Are you feeling the pressure to step aside. When i ran for chair, i made a commitment to see the caucus process through. That is what i am working on. That is what i will continue to work on, and whatever happens that, it is to be determined. Anyway, thank you all, folks, the results are coming in, and we will see you later. All right. So that is it. That is troy price. Lets see if they make the announcement right now, and he says 62 of the precincts have reported. And they believe that these are accurate and responsiblresponsi 38 are still missing right now, and he did not answer repeated questions from our own jeff zeleny of when, when, the remaining 38 of the precincts will have the results in. This is obviously a huge problem with 2 3 of the precincts reporting, but 1 3 at large or unknown. So it is a serious problem right now. We are getting new information even as we hear what is going on there at the media center in des moines. Reporters, photographers, they are getting ready all right. I think that we have a key race alert right now. All right. First of all it says 95 , but it is not 95 , because it is 62 , and that is a mistake right there. But take a look with 62 of the precincts reporting, you can see that you are going to the left part of the screen, and buttigieg is 26. 9 . Sanders with 25. 1 , and warren is 18. 1 , and biden is 16. 1 , and klobuchar with 12. 6 , and so now it is corrected with 62 of the precincts reporting there. By the way, you can see bloomberg is zero percent and Tulsi Gabbard at zero percent as well. Now, let me repeat, this is 62 of the precincts reporting and the state delegates and the all important state delegates to determine the winner of the iowa caucuses, and once again, Pete Buttigieg with 26. 9 of the state delegates, and Bernie Sanders with 25. 1 , and Elizabeth Warren with 18. 3 . Right now, over there in fourth place 15. 6 , and klobuchar is 12. 6 , and yang is 1. 1 , and steyer is 0. 3 . And so looking at Pete Buttigieg who is behind Bernie Sanders in the popular vote. And joe biden in fourth place. And Amy Klobuchar in fifth. And andrew yang, you can see him over there with 1,124. And that is the popular vote that is being released from the Iowa Democratic party. And remember the popular vote is interesting, but it is the state delegates who are going to determine the win over the iowa caucuses, and you can see with 62 of the precincts reporting, among the state delegates, Pete Buttigieg is in the lead right now with 26. 9 . And Bernie Sanders is in second place with 25. 1 , and 18. 3 for Elizabeth Warren, and joe biden in fourth with 15. 6 . But, remember 38 of the precincts remain at large. We dont have those results yet, and the Party Chairman troy price did not tell us when we would get the remaining precincts. We are walking over the David Chalian and over here this way to David Chalian who was over there, and now over here. And so a little bit of the analysis here, and we have a difference of the state delegates, and who is number one and the popular vote who is number one. So your mission, explain. I am going to do my best. So start with the state delegates that you see right here, wolf. As you noted, Pete Buttigieg is on top with 26. 9 of those state delegate equivalents, and he is followed by Bernie Sanders at 25. 1, and they are kind of in the tier by themselves. This is the metric that matters and what we will end up projecting the winner of the iowa caucuses, and think of it like the Electoral College in the general election, but there is also the popular vote total to date. And we have never had this information before. The Iowa Democratic party is now putting out the popular vote total, and look at the different order here. Bernie sanders is atop at 28,220 and he is 1,990 votes ahead of Pete Buttigieg. So you can see the different order in the popular vote. 24 is precisely what Bernie Sanders and the allies were envisioning when they wooed the Democratic Party to change their rules in the way that the Iowa Democratic caucuses are conducted, because they wanted the popular vote total reported, because they could run up the score with the young people in the college towns, but the way that the caucuses work, wolf, if you have support everywhere across the state, you can collect more delegates, and that is the important metric for who wins. Now, it is only 62 reporting, and it is not that he cannot win the delegate count tonight, but it is more important when it comes out, and because of the way that the caucuses are run, you could turn out a lot of people in some areas, but capped on how many delicates are available there. So Pete Buttigieg, the all important metric and take a look again, over here. 26. 9 of the delegates, and he is in the lead, wolf. But as you point out with 38 of the precincts not reporting this could change and still plenty of opportunity for the candidates to be reordered one, two, three and four. John king, you are looking at the numbers as closely as anyone. Critically important is the point that you made, 62 . These colors could change. But looking at the colors right now, and this is what we hope to take you through last night, and take you through it, the lighter green is Pete Buttigieg. And the counties led by Pete Buttigieg, and the gray is not there and the white is look agent a tie. The green, the depth and the breadth of the organization of the former mayor buttigieg, and he said he would run everywhere in iowa, and not done yet, but 62 , and this is proof that the buttigieg did what it said it would do, organize and turn out the voters. Looking at Bernie Sanders, the strength there in the east where he was success nfl 2016, but look at the margins in a minute when we are closer to it, and i wanted to go through the colors. The dark green is Amy Klobuchar who is down here at 12. 6 challenging former Vice President joe biden and this is a disappointment for biden at 15. 6 . And again, 62 . But we will see what happens. As you are looking, he is the former Vice President of the United States, and a half dozen counties where joe biden is getting the bulk of the delegates, and leading in the delegate chase. Elizabeth warren not a county, but organization wide, coming in second and third, but not winning it out. And klobuchar . The klobuchar, it is interesting to look along the minnesota border, and she did well there, and look down here, she also did well in other pockets of the state. Over here in the eastern part of the state and bringing it out, 25 of delaware county. So had we been reporting this last night, we would have been having a different conversation and a statewide map here. It is the depth of this number one, the buttigieg organization and the strength of the buttigieg turnout of the organization, precinct by precinct is impressive and the votes will come in and move it down in case it changes while we are here. We dont know how quickly they will give us more, and if the colors are changing, it is more data coming in. And so this is the strength of the twoperson race, but Bernie Sanderss strength is here in 2016, and so we wanted to see how he does here in 2020. And sanders, and buttigieg and warren, and so he is not getting the big boost like he did against Hillary Clinton. Over here in johnson county, one of the most progressive in the state, even split between mayor buttigieg and senator klobuchar coming in behind there. And so where he stretched it out against Hillary Clinton four years ago in a more crowded race with the competition from senator warren, and come over here, and holds up, scott county, this is Bernie Sanders territory four years ago, and mayor buttigieg getting the delegates there as we continue to count the vote. What do we have here . Obviously, a competitive race, and mayor buttigieg waited to come out to declare victory and we will see if it holds, because we have still 38 of the vote to come in, but it is the spread, and again, one of the reasons that the Biden Campaign wants you the move on to New Hampshire is because that is a bad number for the former Vice President. And looking at the colors as we are looking at the state of iowa. The white is undecided, right . It is a tie. If you are going into the counties here, and you can see it is a dead heat. 26. 7, and 26. 7. Thank you for the question. Anything in white and maybe it is looking gray to you at home, but it is a tie. And the lighter green is buttigieg, and lighter blue is Bernie Sanders is the one that you will see the most of on the map here, and senator warren here not leading in any of the counties, but still getting 18. 3 of the delegates and we will see if it is changing, and this is going to have to be viewed as a disappointment for the Biden Campaign. And so we will watch the rest of this filling in, and that is my fault for touching the county. And bring you the map back out here and filling in 62 of the vote, and 41 delegates at stake, and right now buttigieg with the bragging rights. He was declaring the victory last night for all purposes around midnight. And regard this 62 of the precincts reporting and 38 of the precincts and still not reporting, but is this much of a surprise, john, that Pete Buttigieg with 62 of the precincts reporting he is on top . With 62 of the precincts reporting. And he would say no. Everybody said that a small town mayor could not do this, and he says he is. And so is this a surprise . Sure. Bernie sanders ran before and Elizabeth Warren had a strong summer, and that is the former twoterm Vice President of the United States, and mayor buttigieg has bragging rights if this holds up that it is an impressive cast of candidates there, and further, senator klobuchar from the neighboring minnesota, and so, yes, this is impressive looking at it. I highlighted the counties, because the 31 counties highlighted on the map, and buttigieg did well and that is the klobuchar, and you can see that these are the 31 pivot counties of iowa of the 99 total, 31 counties voted twice for barack obama and then flipped to donald trump. It is a huge source of anger among the Iowa Democrats saying that we have to get these counties back. And buttigieg said that is where he would compete the hardest, because he wanted to bring the places where trump won back to Democratic Party. So he is capable of beating President Trump in the general election, that would seem to suggest in this context with 62 of the precincts reporting, he has a point. Well, he is winning the democrats in the county, but we dont know about the republicans or the independents and look closely at the turnout, and david is going through the exit polls, but he can say in the 31 counties, the ones that he won in the 31 counties that twice for obama and once for trump, he said that is where he wanted to focus and prove that a guy from the midwest could compete and flip the counties, and that is because he is winning them now, it is going to hold up, but because it is in the end, he is going to look at them in november, and he went in there to prove a point, and he did. There are 41 delegates at stake from iowa, and 41 at stake if you are getting above 15 , and then you could potentially get statewide a delegate or the Congressional District that you could potentially get at least four or five maybe candidates who could potentially end up with delegates. And keep an eye on this 12. 6 for Amy Klobuchar, and she is going to get delegates to the state convention from here, but it is not enough to have her get the delegates, and we have to see what happens when the process plays out, because there is a second and third step of the process, but when we get the rest of the vote in, can she come up some there, and certainly, these candidates are going to get delegates and the question is iowa is about momentum, and tiny number of delegates to get throughout the nation, and if you have a long protracted race, and delegates count, back to the first night, and the second night and the first night is about the momentum, and reporting the results a day later, but do you get the bounce . Get hurt . People say, we have moved on the New Hampshire. Show us where some of the counties that are still outstanding, and remember, 38 of the precincts have not yet reported, and im curious, and you can show this to the viewers where some of the counties are. Well, obviously, i will turn this off, because i want to Say Something as i do this, and we are getting the information in from the state. I will go through some of them for you, and i will be perfectly honest with you that i would not bet the ranch on it, and i am somewhat reluctant, and when they say 44 of webster, and i dont know if i trust this information, because we dont know what they gave us from the state parties and until i know more about that, i am reluctant to go through the counties to say that we have 60 from this county or 80 from that county only to find out that you didnt have it. And you saw 92 that went to 62 with that glitch. So i think that we need more information before we get to that. This is a disappointment for the former Vice President of the United States . Yes, two ways to look at this. Iowa was never joe biden country, but he is also a twoterm former Vice President of the United States, right . So a former mayor of a town of 125,000 people have beating the former twoterm Vice President of the United States. Vice president to barack obama who launched his campaign to the presidency with a win in iowa. This is not joe biden country, and he says he going to be stronger in the caucuses and stronger when gets to South Carolina and another electorate towards the calling card of electability. I am the guy who can beat donald trump and the National Polls show that heading into the week, he is the most competitive democrat against donald trump in the National Polls. And john, only six counties are in the dark blue. Only six in the dark blue. You could say it is okay. Any time you want to touch, come on in, and senator klobuchar winning as many counties if not one or two more, and so you can make the case. This is the challenge, especially because we are not sure how the people are going to process it, the results coming in late, but if joe bidens calling card is that im the democrat who can beat donald trump, what you have is buttigieg and sanders and warren saying, if you cant beat us, how do you beat donald trump . Again, it is one contest and caucus and quirky and democratic voters say that priority number one is beating donald trump, and if priority number one is beating donald trump, well, buttigieg, warren and sanders convinced more iowians yesterday that they were stronger. So can joe biden put this behind him in places like New Hampshire and South Carolina and beyond. 24 is the big test for biden and does it hurt the fundraising . He was struggling when it came to fundraising or say it is a caucus state and ki moi can mov to New Hampshire and do better. So if you are looking at the depth and the breadth of what buttigieg did, he says i am the more moderate and fresher face from the midwest as opposed to the former Vice President who can go back to win, and if you are looking at this map, or this map, or bragging rights at the moment, this guy wins, wolf. He does. Okay. So 62 of the precincts are reporting and 38 of the precincts still not reporting in iowa. David chalian, we have been talking about the state delegates, and lets talk about the popular vote. And there were two popular votes the first round and the final round. You remember that is how they caucus and go into the room, and we saw it all

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