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CNNW Wolf July 21, 2014

Days. 30 Israeli Soldiers were wounded today. 3 of them, the idf, the Israel Defense force, saysically the. More than 500 palestinians have been killed. Most of them civilians. President obama stepped up his call for an end to the bloodshed in the conflict between israel and hamas. In a statement less than two hours ago, president obama again supported israels right to protect its people, but he sounded the alarm over the growing number of civilian deaths. Secretary serry has departed for the middle east. As ive said many times, es real israel has the right to defend itself against rocket and tunnel attacks from hamas. As a result of the operation, israel has already done significant damage to hamas terrorist infrastructure in gaza. Ive also said, however, that we have serious concerns about the rising number of palestinian civilian deaths and the loss of israeli lives. And that is why it now has to be our focus and the focus of the International Community, to bring about a ceasefire that ends the fighting and that can stop the deaths of innocent civilians, both in gaza and in israel. Meantime, on the ground, here, israeli troops have been targeting hamas militants inside the country. Inside israel. While palestinians say israel shelled a hospital in gaza. Here are some of the latest developments were following. The Israeli Military says it killed more than ten militants who infiltrated the country through those tunnels from gaza into israel. The Defense Forces says this video shows the hamas militants and the strike that killed them. Watch. In gaza, the Health Ministry says five people died in an israeli strike on a hospital there. A doctor appealed to other hospitals for help. Help says the operating room is now inoperable. Israel says its looking into claims by hamas that it captured an israeli soldier. Israels ambassador to the United Nationsish ish initiall disputed the claim. Secretary of state kerry arrives in the region today. Hes traveling first to cairo to push for a ceasefire. While on, the death toll rises. At least 500 palestinians have been killed. The death toll for israelis now stands at 27. 2 israeli civilians and 25 Israeli Soldiers dead. Were covering all sides of the conflict with our correspondents in israel and gaza. Attika shubert is in israel. Ben wedeman is in his gogaza ci. Ben what can you tell us about that gaza hospital attack . That hospital had been shelled . Yes, that hospital, wolf, is in delebera which is south of here, hit in the afternoon by someprojectile. Not clear at this point what it is. Five people were killed in that strike. Including one patient hard explosion to my left. And four people who were visiting, relatives in that hospital. Now, whats significant is this is where the Israeli Military told people to go for safety in these recorded messages theyve been sending out. Those were messages were received by the residents of the muhasi and brage refugee camps, close to the israeli border. Many of them have moved to this area and that is where the strike took place. This is repeating a pattern. Weve seen people go from one area of gaza to another for safety and dont find it. Wolf. As you know, ben, president obama, he expressed concern about the rising civilian death toll in gaza. Israel accuses hamas, as you know, of putting civilians in harms way. Palestinians paint a very, very different picture. What are they saying to you . Well, theres some palestinians who will say that hamas does, in fact, operate in areas where there are civilians and theres a certain amount of resentment about that among some. On the other hand, there is growing resentment, profound resentment, and anger at the death toll. Yesterday, by some estimates, its more than 100, because many people believe they still havent been able to dig the dead out from the neighborhoods, which i saw by with my own eyes, severely damaged by this israeli shelling. And keep in mind, wolf, of course, this is not a conflict that began earlier this month with rocket fire from gaza and israel responding. This is a conflict that goes back 100 years. And for palestinians, they still pine to go back to their homeland. They still look across the border at towns like ashkelon and ashdod and remember the days their grandparents lived there and they see whats going on, the conflict, death, the destruction, as really part of that very long conflict. Wolf. Yes, its been way too long, this conflict has been going on. Ben wedeman, be careful over there. Israel has vowed hamas will emerge from this conflict substantially weakened. President obama says israel has already done significant damage to hamas capabilities and is pushing for a ceasefire. Atika shubert is joining us, shes along the israeli gaza border, on the israeli side. Any sign over there, that the Prime Minister, based on everything youre seeing as far as troop movements are concerned, that israel is getting ready for some kind of ceasefire, withdrawal of its troops from gaza, atika . No, we havent seen anything like that, and to be perfectly honest with you, it seems to be ramping up. Weve been hearing artillery rounds throughout the day. We just saw fighter jets going by. If anything, it seems like the israeli troops are going in even harder. We have just confirmed with the idf, the Israel Defense forces that seven soldiers were killed today. We understand that four of them were killed in an incursion into israel with hamas militants actually able to tunnel inside. So with that Tunnel Network still being used in this way, it seems that for now Israeli Forces are going to continue with this operation and perhaps even escalate it inside gaza. Those tunnels, the israelis say thats priority number one, because theyve actually done a pretty good job deterring ordealing with the missiles, the rockets coming in, thanks to that iron dome antimissile system. If these tunnels emerge and there are openings from gaza to israel, the israelis are deeply worried hamas militants will go through those tunnel, come into israel and kill israelis. Do you have any sense of how many of those tunnels have already been destroyed and how many more may be out there, atika . What are you hearing . There could be dozens more out there. Theyve detected at least 13. My understanding is another five have very recently been detected as well. Weve been hearing explosions, frankly, that sound like theyve been collapsing a number of these tunnels. Theres still an extraordinary threat. Because what the idf is describing is essentially a city, an underground city, where you have these massive tunnels and then branching out into numerous areas. I went to kibutz near om today where the infiltration occurred literally meters away from the perimeter fence. It is a significant threat. They say theyre uncovering a lot of these tunnels but the fact is we dont know how many exactly there are out there and these tunnels have been used very effectively to pop up behind israeli lines and ambush israeli troops and this is where a lot of the casualties on the israeli side are coming from. Just be careful over there, dont go too close to that border. Those tunnels are potentially very, very deadly. Atika shubert. Be careful. Shes on the front lines for us, between israel and gaza. Another major story were following right now. Well have more on israel and gaza later. Were also following the downing of that itmalaysian jet liner i eastern ukraine. A scene many are still describing as chaotic. That team has begun conducting dna tests to help identify victims. The prorussian rebels in ukraine who control that area claim theyre giving international monitors free access to the crash site. They also have released the refrigerated train cars holding some 200 bodies and will allow them to travel to a central part of ukraine. But now new fighting has broken out in the nearby donetsk area and many rebels have left the crash site to join in those battles. Secretary of state of the United States john kerry says theres no shortage of evidence showing the crash is the work of pro russian rebels. And hes calling for what he says is a moment of truth for russia. President obama also spoke on the situation in ukraine a little while ago on the south lawn of the white house. Building on what secretary kerry said, the president called out the rebels and how theyve handled this crash site. Russianbacked separatists who control the area continue to block the investigation. Theyve repeatedly prevented International Investigators from gaining full access to the wreckage. As investigators approached, they fired their weapons into the area. These separatists are removing evidence from the crash site. All of which begs the question, what exactly are they trying to hide . Lets go to our phil black. Hes now in donetsk where the new fighting has broken out. What happened in the last hour or two . What have you seen . Clearly, its escalating. Yeah, there has been some renewed violence on outskirts of the regional capital here of this territory held by these prorussian separatists. That is significant because it is the gateway to any sort of increased effort to get in there and get the resources and people necessary to investigate that crash site. Which is only about an hour from where im standing. I think the Key Development today is the one you touched on. The fact that the separatist rebels here have agreed to allow the bodies they have collected to be transported from here. Theyre being kept in refrigerated rail cars. They have now left and are heading north to the northeast city of kharkiv. A region of ukraine close to the russian border. But it has not been caught up in this separatist and prorussian movement that has so destabilized the Southern Region of the country. From there, theyre going to be loaded on to a dutch aircraft, flown back to the netherlands, and that is where that process, that important delicate process, of identifying these bodies, will take place. Its where they will be processed. Dna samples taken and compared. It is from there they will be flown back to the various countries of origin around the world to be reunited with their families. Another Key Development announced by the malaysian Prime Minister who says his country has been in close negotiations with the separatist forces who control this territory and of course control that crash site. He says the deal has been reached for the black box, those very important voice and data recorders from the cockpit of mh17, to be handed over to malaysian officials and from there they will be taken somewhere else to be analyzed. An evening of significant progress. That train with some 200 bodies almost heading north to a city beyond the control of the separatists and in a few hours time, we expect that handover of the black box to take place as well. Wolf. Phil black. What worries me is that whole area, especially around where you are in donetsk, but also where that crash site is, there are a lot of armed men all over the place. The violence escalating. Im worried about those International Teams coming in, including a lot of international journalists, including our own journalists on the scene. I hope everyone, everyone, is safe. Phil, youre doing an excellent job for all of us. For our viewers in the United States and around the world. Be careful other there as well. Still ahead, much more news. President obama demands that the russian president putin use his influence with the prorussian rebels in ukraine to let in plane crash investigators. Were going to talk about that with the republican congressman ed rice. Hes chairman of the horse Foreign Affairs committee. Secretary of state kerry is now racing here to the middle east to try to stop the kilting in gaza and israel. Democratic congressman adam shift of the house intelligence admity, hes standing by as well. Cut [bell rings] this. Is jane. Her long day on set starts with shoulder pain. And a choice take 6 tylenol in a day which is 2 aleve for. All day relief. Hmm. 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The vast majority of the casualties have been palestinians. Secretary state john kerry has now gone to egypt, should be arriving very soon, with the goal of trying to broker an immediate ceasefire. Congressman, thanks very much for joining us. So youre privy to a lot of information were not necessarily privy to. Is that really realistic in the next few days, a workable ceasefire can be in place . Well, its certainly possible. I wish the secretary luck on his trip. Its going to be tough. Egypt, which has traditionally brokered a ceasefire in a situation like this, a fight with hamas, doesnt have the leverage it used to, since its been fighting the Muslim Brotherhood in egypt and hamas is part of the Muslim Brotherhood. But other nation, qatar, turkey, may have more influence. If the secretary can get those regional allies to pressure hamas into accepting a ceasefire, thats the only way i can see this ending. As long as those rockets are coming, israels going to defend itself. As long as those tunnels are open and people are trying to infiltrate, israel is going to do what it needs to protect its citizens. The president , once again, repeated today, he said it the other day as well, president obama, he said he would like to see a ceasefire, the ceasefire that occurred the last time israel and hamas fought at the end of 2012, november 2012, hed like to see that recreated. That would mean an immediate israeli withdrawal of all of its forces and thousands of israeli troops are now inside gaza, dealing with these tunnels, these rocket launchers. That would mean an immediate israeli withdrawal. Some israelis said they want to doway with all these tunnels first, then they might be ready to withdraw. How much of a problem, if they havent completed the destruction of the tunnels that go from gaza into israel . Its going to add to the challenge of bringing about a ceasefire. But as you saw, wolf, israel was willing to accept a ceasefire earlier. I think theyd still like to have a ceasefire. It may not be possible, frankly, to stay until all the tunnels are destroyed because it takes time to even find the tunnels. Many of them have multiple entrances and exits. And of course the casualties on the israeli side are also mounting. I think a ceasefire is possible. I think israel would like a ceasefire. Whether the timing is right yet for a ceasefire to be accomplished, i dont know. I certainly think it was worthwhile for the president to dispatch our secretary of state to see if he can help bring that about. I dont know if you know anything about this, but our colleague, our cnn contributor, josh rogan of the daily beast is reporting that u. N. Officials in gaza, the United Nations relief work agency that deals with palestinian refugees. They found some rockets inside a u. N. School. Instead of destroying them, they handed them over to a police force established by hamas. Have you heard anything along those lines . I havent heard about the handing over of these rockets back to hamas, but i have certainly seen many reports that hamas has hidden these rockets in u. N. Facilities, in schools, near hospitals, using basically humid shields. And, you know, some people say, well, gaza is small, and theyre going to be civilians around wherever hamas operates. That may be true, but hamas has fully aggravated the situation by using these sites to hide its munitions, to hide some of its militants, and that is, in part, responsible for this heavy civilian casualty count. Do you see any possibility that the Palestinian Authority leadership of president Mahmoud Abbas who basically secured the west bank, hes cooperated militarily with israel, hes now involved in trying to get a ceasefire that the p. A. , the Palestinian Authority, could effectively take charge not only of the west bank, of gaza, and push hamas aside, is that at all realistic, congressman . I dont think its probably realistic during this fight. Unless the fight became very, very prolonged. Its certainly possible when this fight is other. I think the people in gaza are very unhappy with hamas. Hamas has very few friends left in the world. The conditions in gaza are deteriorating. I think many residents in gaza hold hamas responsible for that, as they should. So i think that abbas position should be improved. Sometime theres this perverse effect in the region where hamas gains in stature just by fighting with israel. In the near term, i dont see that happening. But hopefully in the midterm, we can see a unified government under fatah leadership in both territory, and a resumption of some peace negotiations. And hopefully in the end what they call a twostate solution, israel and palestine leaving peacefully side by side. It seems like a dream right now but maybe they can get back to that work down the road. Congressman, thanks for joining us. Thanks, wolf. Coming up, the israeli Prime Minister benjamin netanyahu, hes defending his countrys military operation, in the conflict with hamas in gaza. Well have details. Also, growing pressure on the russian president , vladimir

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