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Help with the search. One of the latest theories is that the plane might have stalled during flight. The theory is based on this. Its a screen rab and its said to be leaked by an air Traffic Controller. This appears to show that the plane was climbing but that it was losing speed. And police say that they are not asking family members for information to help identify the passengers at this point. Earlier, some Police Officials say authorities were asking for photos medical records, fingerprints and dna. They are now saying that is not the case. Airasia flight 8501 is the second missing flight in Southeast Asia in less than a year. So far, searchers have found no sign of the plane with 162 people on board as we hear from Andrew Stevens, authorities are fearing the worst in this latest aviation mystery. Reporter grim new details as the search for 8501 continues. Indonesian authorities leading the rescue think the plane is likely on the bottom of the sea. Based on coordinates of the planes last transmission. Here at surabaya airport, its become crisis central. The distraught family members were briefed here earlier today behind closed doors. Monday marks the first full day of searching since 8501 disappeared early sunday morning. So far, the plane has not put out any signals that could help pinpoint its location. Instead, crews focus on this very broad search zone over the shallow waters of the java sea where the plane was last tracked. The airbus a320 took off from surabaya. Rough roughly an hour later, it vanished en route to singapore. The pilots encountered severe storms that may have contributed to the fate of the passengers and crew. Usually its not one thing that brings down a plane and for a modern jetliner or a big jetliner to be brought down by turbulence its rare. Reporter one theory the plane may have stalled as it climbed to a higher altitude. This was leaked by an air Traffic Controller and seems to report that. What it shows is this particular flight had an altitude of 36,000 feet and climbing but traveling at approximately 105 Miles Per Hour too slow to sustain flight. Reporter cnn could not validate the authenticity of that image. We know that at 6 12 a. M. Pilots asked for permission to climb from 32,000 feet to 38,000 feet. It would be the last known communication from the crew. We are very devastated by whats happened. Its unbelievable but we do not know what has happened yet. Reporter for these two teenage girls whose parents were aboard the flight all they can do is wait holding on to hope that their families will soon be found. Cnns Andrew Stevens with that report. For the latest theories of what haf may have happened lets bring in analyst peter goelz and from charleston south carolina, we have mary schiavo and in new york im joined by david soucie author of why planes crash. Why do you think it took so long for indonesian authorities to say theres an emergency here . It took an hour and a half. You are reluctant to call an emergency. You think maybe the pilots have inadvertently switched their radio dials, any number of problems. But people dont like to call an emergency. Particularly if in a structure that is a Military Form of monitoring. They just dont want to do it. Mary, you heard in andrews piece, you said its generally not just one thing that causes a crash here. Lets talk about the weather, though. Obviously this was some pretty severe weather. The pilot had asked for permission to climb to 38,000 feet because it was so bad. But what else could have contributed to this . Well the weather might have been a precipitating or caused a cascading effect. In other crashes that ive worked heres how the sequence went. You had particularly bad weather that stressed the plane and the pilot. The pilot made decisions on how to climb or what to do with the plane and then a piece of equipment did not respond as the pilot thought it would be and in most of those, accidents that i worked three things combined and in two of those cases, the plane fell from 35,000 feet. Okay. So youre looking at this david, you hear what that screen grab says. We havent confirmed it. Climbing at 36,000 feet thats why experts are thinking that the plane was climbing because it was at 32,000 when the pilot made the request to go to 38. 105 Miles Per Hour its not very fast. Not fast enough to sustain flight. How does a pilot make a mistake like that . Well the optimum climb attitude at that point or speed at that point for this aircraft is about 270 knots. So thats where it should have been to get through the climb as quickly as possible with the power settings it had. So obviously something had gone wrong there. There was something that the pilots did not anticipate or they didnt have the information that they needed to make the proper decision which was the case of air france 447 when the pitot tubes had been blocked off and they didnt have air speed indications. One of those two scenarios is likely at this point. Lets say they didnt have air speed indication. What is the safest thing for a pilot to do at that point . To descend . Well not necessarily. Because in these aircraft theres a shaker. And what that does is give you the same indication if youre under an underspeed situation or an overspeed situation. If youre in an overspeed situation, would you pull back on the aircraft and try to make a climb to slow yourself down. Now, if youre in an underspeed situation excuse me. Overspeed situation, would you go up and underspeed situation you would go down to increase the air flow over the wings to prevent the stall. So without that information, youre relying on the ability to simply look out at the horizon and see if youre climbing or not. Air france 447 did not have that option because it was dark but in this case there would have been horizon that they could have seen and been more aware of their angle of attack. It makes you wonder if perhaps these things came together peter. Because you have the pilot requesting to ascend and air Traffic Control saying no denying that request and yet we believe, based on this screen grab that the pilot went ahead and went for the assent. How unusual is that . Under which circumstances would a pilot disregard air Traffic Control . Well a pilots fundamental responsibility is a safe flight for himself and his passengers. He has to look after the plane. And if in his judgment climbing is the most immediate and safest thing to do and hes in open air space, hes able to see whats around him, he needs to do it. And thats his judgment. So it meant he was under some degree of stress to make that decision though. Something was going on. Thats your impression mary . Yeah. I mean thats the piece one of the pieces of information that doesnt make a lot of sense because you really dont. If the air Traffic Control says you cant climb, youve got traffic, youre risk a midair collision. And if that had occurred obviously the planes have midair Collision Avoidance but that didnt make a lot of sense to me. If air Traffic Control said no its very odd that you would do it. I was wondering if at that point they were experiencing weather that gave them unbelievable up or down drafts and had to fight for their lives against tough weather. Right. If they were being forced in a certain direction. Mary peter, david, stick around. Well talk with you more at this hour. Still to come we have a closer look at this storm. The pilot appears to have been trying to avoid it. Plus, airbus, the maker of the missing plane is jumping in to help find this flight. The new numbers of those rescued and killed after a fire tore through a ship stranded on frozen waters. vo nourished. Rescued. Protected. Given new hope. During the subaru share the love event, subaru owners feel it, too. Because when you take home a new subaru we donate 250 dollars to helping those in need. Well have given 50 Million Dollars over seven years. Love. Its what makes a subaru a subaru. Lets get more now on a second day of searching for the missing airasia jetliner has turned up nothing. As weve heard, the head of indonesia search and rescue agency says speculation is that the jet is quote, at the bottom of the sea. Indonesia has asked the u. S. To help in the search. We have aviation correspondent rene marsh, tom foreman who is also following the story for us. And you have this speculation, tom, that weather could have played a role in this. You have the pilot asking air Traffic Control while at 32,000 feet to go up to 38,000 feet. Request denied. But what kind of weather was the pilot dealing with here . It was not unusual weather for that part of the world at this time of year but it was still extreme weather. And thats the kind of weather the pilots always have to worry about because weather is always an issue out there. Lets take a look at the weather map here and the area that were talking about where the plane went down is right in here and at times you can see in the cycle of the weather at the time it filled in almost entirely with the red areas that show very dramatic winds, very dramatic lightning and the potential for dramatic pressure changes. And those pressure changes, ill tell you, can make a huge huge difference. If you think of a plane in flight when it gets up into the air and its trying to go through the air, if it hits very low pressure or very High Pressure it has the risk of getting, in a sense, mechanically confused, in the sense that at one moment its flying through very very strong forces that it pushing it hard forward and at the next moment very low pressure where its shooting forward. All of which can lead to some of that mechanical confusion of the plane where, in effect what you can have is a separation of the air flow over the wing. The only way to describe this best is at the right speed, the reason the plane is flying is because the way the air is moving over the wing and under the wing create lift. If you get your speed completely wrong and the attitude of the plane wrong, these can separate from the plane and if they effectively separate from the plane, brianna, this is the same as if you were driving down the road and you lose traction with the road. Once that happens, everything that you use to control the car is no longer there. So thats why weather really matters. Not so much because lightning would hit the plane because lightning would not likely bring it down or because the weather would tear the plane apart because thats also unlikely but because weather conditions can make the performance of the plane get changed in just the right ways and if you lose that control suddenly you have to have a very experienced pilot who does everything right to get back under control while falling maybe 1,000 feet per second in the sky. Thats assuming all of the instruments are working correctly, too, which is another concern, i think, of some experts. Rene the search area is being expanded and you also have airbus320 a french company, that is getting involved now. Right. 30 ships, 15 planes involved in the search today. Of course the Aerial Search called off until daylight tomorrow. At this stage, airbus tells me that they have sent two experts from france. They are there in neesh as we speak and they will simply be to identify pieces of the plane and when they find it also help investigators if they dont have certain systems on the airbus they will be there to fill in those blanks. We know that the french equivalent of ntsb they sent two of their investigators there as well to help move this forward. Obviously key is finding the wreckage. They are at a standstill until they actually have physical pieces of the plane. And we also just learned that indonesia has asked the United States for help as far as the search efforts go. So that might mean equipment to help to find this plane. Like sonar equipment for an underwater search . Absolutely. We heard Officials Say that they believe the plane is at the bottom of the ocean. You have the Aerial Search going on with the naked eye. If its the bottom of the ocean, you need that sonar equipment. Tom, some comparisons that experts are drawing between this particular flight perhaps whatever happened and an air france crash, going between rio and paris, that plane stalled as it was climbing and we were just talking about the instruments being an issue. Is there is that an accurate comparison do you think . Well we dont know until we know what happened with this plane but its a scenario that makes sense. In the air france crash, what happened is the plane if we use this as our example right now was dramatically losing air speed. It was slowing down but, in particular they had a problem with these things down here. You see this tiny device on the airplane you may have seen it if you have flown on one. The pitot tube tells you how fast the plane is moving through the air. In the air france crash, there had been previous problems of ice crystals forming giving false speed. If you look at the idea of a plane flying here, if that happens and you dont know how fast youre going, which they did not know in the air france crash, the pilot, who is chiefly in charge up here he kept trying to pull the nose of the plane up saying well ive got to get back in the air. Im losing ground here and ive got to raise this plane up. Obama when they were way too close to the water did the other pilot say, no no no you need to point that nose down to get control of the plane again. And by then it was too late. That is a mistake that can be made if they dont know how fast they are going and they are essentially falling through the sky when they think they are moving forward. Yeah. If you think youre going fast and youre going down then the instinct is to climb but if theres an instrumental problem telling you youre going fast and youre going slow it can be a disaster. Tom foreman, rene marsh, thank you to both of you. Still to come the weather conditions in the area of the missing plane, they were less than accommodating. Well talk to one man who has flown this exact flight path before. And disaster strikes on cold rough seas. Hundreds of people stranded on a ship engulfed in flames. Wow [ narrator ] on a mission to get richard to his campbells chunky soup. Its new chunky beerncheese with beef and bacon soup. I love it. And mama loves you. Theres a new way to buy a car. Just find the one youre looking for see what others paid for it, lock in your savings and get the car you want hasslefree. With truecar its never been easier. An amazing rescue effort has saved the lives of hundreds aboard a ferry. Rescue workers have plucked these people off one by one. In all, 427 people managed to escape the burning ship and eight people died. The ferry was going from greece to italy when the fire started. Joining me is nema. Are there still people aboard this ship at all . Reporter my understanding is that there are crew members still being ferried off but the main ship the rescue ship still hasnt stopped and that gives you a sense really of the weather conditions here. They havent as of yet been able to decide which of these ports would be the easiest accessible and there are some of the crew members on board that have been given that the death toll inched up through the day, you can appreciate a lot of anxiety for those survivors that weve been speaking to that have been separated by their family members. The fire nema is tremendous. Do we have any idea what caused it . Reporter well that is the question really that everyone is attempting to figure out. One woman i spoke to said that what woke her was the two explosions clearly something ignited. She said when she first boarded this ferry, immediately she felt a sense of unease because she saw it loading up with tankers carrying fuel and she said it was quite an old ferry. So already she wasnt 100 comfortable but then seeing all of that inflammable gasoline coming on board this ship she said immediately it became a source of concern for her and throughout this ordeal, coming up through the soles of her feet were these continuous explosions more and more of this flammable liquid came to light. Italian authorities are beginning their investigation right now as we speak brianna. They are trying to figure out how this could have been allowed to happen and we understand from the Prosecutors Office that they are trying to request to the ship support here so they can start looking over it forensically. Brianna . Well be looking for answers along with you. Nima from italy for us. Monsoon rains and a massive thunderstorm. Hear from one man who has known the exact flight path of missing flight 8501. And we want to hear from you. Send your questions about this flight to 8501qs. Man sternly seriously . Where do you think youre going . Mr. Mucus to work, with you. 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Youve traveled this route covered by flight 8501. Tell me about the weather issues at this time of year and how much of a role this could have played. Well there is an area of unstable area. So with the warm water in that area and were talking about the java sea here that provides the fuel for the source of weather buildup and were talking about vertical winds, highly unstable air which causes formation of thunderstorms which can be very large and vertical winds and 100 miles an hour going up in the warmer part and vertically down in the colder part and causes rain and hail. It is primarily the thunderstorm its primarily the turbulence and icing which are the two main problems for aircraft flying there. Lightning is less of a problem. It is not a dean injury toanger to the aircraft itself. This particular aircraft was flying in a particular of time when the weather was particularly bad and certainly from the radar pictures weve seen on the Television Pictures it shows that some of the swells were indeed very large and tens of miles across which would have made it very difficult to fly around them. Normally one cannot go quite easily around these storms and i have not flown in this particularly rough weather even with the thunderstorms that do get through with the aircraftbased radar systems. So les, that said if this plane is somehow forced in or does travel through this air, through this storm, this is something that even though certainly the goal of a pilot is to avoid this, this is something that pilots are trained to deal with right . Well its something that were experienced at doing just by sheer operation all the time and the experience that we have with professional aviation. In this day and age, we have sophisticated onboard radar as it airasia 8501. This radar adjusts automatically to show the intensity of the storms. You can take over the automatic function and adjust it. It becomes an art. A lot of us are familiar with that adjusting the tilt of the radar to see where the most intense areas are, right or left or up or down. But this is a very typical process that we go through to avoid weather and keep it at a comfortable, safe ride for our passengers. Right now there seems to be a working theory that the plane stalled, meaning that the plane is essentially ascending and the speed is reduced. It looks legitimate. We here at cnn have not verified that that im aware of. I guess the 105 knots was what was said but that would probably be ground speed. I dont know what the tail wind would be at that time. So the airplane doesnt care what it is doing across the ground at that altitude. It cares what is happening across its wings. If indeed it was 105 knots, that would certainly be a very slow air speed and if that was the case to me no pilot is going to fly transport Category Aircraft at that speed intentionally. So something possibly could have gone wrong, maybe analogous, similar to the air france 447 a330 accident in 2009. Its hard to speculate at this point in time. We just dont have enough information. Alastair youve written that this plane will be found, that this is not going to remain a mystery. How certain are you and why do you say that . Well you know im not absolutely certain, but historically we do find the aircraft. The malaysia mh370 was rather an exception. The main reason is that they only had an hour and a half fuel onboard at the time that the aircraft disappeared off radar. Now, if it indeed would have descended and, therefore, went all the way down to sea level or ground level, that is probably why i felt reasonably confident that they would find it. How quickly they will find it i dont know. Obviously i cant be certain. No one can be certain in these cases but, you know no one expected the previous malaysian n mh370 to never have been found after all of these months. Its quite extraordinary. So thats why i just feel that this is not theres no likely a repeat of that instance. The challenges of finding these planes are much lower, is the expectation than in the malaysia air flight. Less abend and alastareir thank you for joining us. Were learning more about those that were aboard this airasia flight. We needed 30 new hires for our call center. Im spending too much time hiring and not enough time in my kitchen. [ female announcer ] need to hire fast . Go to ziprecruiter. Com and post your job to over 30 of the webs leading job boards with a single click; then simply select the best candidates from one easy to review list. You put up one post and the next day you have all these candidates. Makes my job a lot easier. 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Take a listen to what she told me about one of these students. She was always fun and joy she jokes with her friends. We are all so shocked with this news. We are praying every day and every second and we waiting for good news. Now, again, this is from a principal that knew three of the passengers on board, three passengers and their parents. The community is coming together. They are really not answering and trying to just keep it together and they are hoping for the best. They are still hoping that they are alive. The daughter rosa of one of the pilots apparently sent out a heartbreaking tweet. What did she say . Let me read this to you brianna. It really is heartbreaking. This one is very very touching and youre looking at it on your screen. She says, dad please come home. I still need you. Please return dad. Dad, come home dad. You have to come home. Now, these are very tough words for a young girl to say on social media about her father. In another tweet she also calls him his hero, brianna. Very tough for this family and for all of the other families who have loved ones on board this plane. Its heartbreaking. Rosa flores thank you. We do want to let you know that you can ask some questions of our experts. Theres still time to get those sent in. Tweet them or 8501qs. Jeb bush announced that hes looking at a potential 2016 run and then a peculiar thing happened. Its just ordinary fleece but the comfort it provides is immeasurable. The america red cross brings hope and help to people in need every 8 minutes every day. So this season give something that means something. Youre driving along, having a perfectly nice day, when out of nowhere a pickup truck slams into your brand new car. One second it wasnt there and the next second. Boom youve had your first accident. Now you have to make your first claim. So you talk to your Insurance Company and. Boom youre blindsided for a second time. 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Jump in if you know the answer to these questions. This comes from steven. He tweeted, have some of the airlines become overly confident that their planes and pilots can fly through and around severe storms . I dont think overly confident is the correct phrase. Pilots avoid flying through thunderstorms at virtually all costs. Occasionally youre trapped in one, theres no way out, youve got to go through it. But, no i dont think theres a sense of overconfidence simply because the planes can make it. The primary goal comfort and safety of the passenger. Mary david, have you seen any sort of overconfidence when it comes to bad weather . Sure. I certainly have. Ahead, david. Go ahead, mary. Oh. Okay. Well i certainly have but in a different way. I think theres a cultural difference and the risk of having the uproar from raising the cultural issues you know in the United States ive had many accidents where the first officer has started to challenge the pilot and was, you know it wasnt a welcome comment and that all changed with the crew Resource Management and they will challenge each other. That happened in little rock arkansas American Airlines crash, june 1, 1999. After that, it was a big push. In some cultures that is not welcome. We have a very pilot in command with a huge amount of hours and a copilot with lesser hours and we have three carriers now, all from malaysia for example, flying over a war zone. Mh19 that was shot done. Thats a serious question in judgment. Same thing here entering a thunderstorm. Its a serious question of judgment. What do you think, david . Well i think the question of overconfidence is a very good question but i might rephrase it and call it an over reliance on the automation systems. Peter goelz has been talking about this as well, the fact that the pilots are relying on the equipment and technology. The more you make it safer and automated, the less you rely on your own instinctive abilities in managing the aircraft in difficult situations such as this. I want to go to another tweet, sort of alerting my crew in the control room the jacob rossi tweet. He wants to know why in this day and age do we rely on the physical recovery of black boxes . Flight data should be continuously streamed to the cloud. This isnt novel. This is something that we talked about back in march when we were talking about the malaysia air flight. What do you think, david . Id like to defer this to mary because shes been talking about this for almost decades. Excuse me to the age reference, mary but its been a subject to you and peter goelz. Youre right. Its been on my radar screen and something ive been bugging about for years because its so antiquated. The black boxes were invented by australians, by the way. Theres no need to have that when we have streaming data. I do a lot of accident investigation work and its frustrating to know that we have to rely on this antiquated system. The flip side of that is many people say we dont have enough satellite, enough bandwidth, technology but thats a cop out because right now if we started the fitting of all new planes for it and required it for new planes i think only about a sixth of the planes that have the ability actually subscribe to the service where they can do this and its way over due. Its flying in the dark amgges and no excuse for it. Heres a question for you, peter. Jay asks any eyewitness reports of anyone seeing anything . This is a major shipping corridor. Fishermen, boats, anything . We have not received any information from the indonesians about eyewitnesss or anyone on the ground or two, how many different radars were tracking this aircraft. The indonesians have been quiet on the technical side. I think its time for them to start speaking. We have not received any reports. All right. And i want to throw this one out to all of you because this fascinates me. Craig blanton writing, how can we track asteroids, comets billions of miles from earth yet we continue to lose aircraft. Where is the technology . Well ill take the shot and then go to mary. The technology is there. Its the question of the will. And, as mary indicated, we have been fighting for this for a long time and its not as though they say, well the data pipes and the satellite capacity is not there. You can program the transmission so that it only starts to stream when a plane gets outside of a certain set of parameters. It would not be a challenge. And the airlines and particularly dreadful in terms of its speed, they need to act now. We certainly could answer many more questions but i have to end it there and appreciate all of you being there for us. Peter goelz, mary schiavo and david soucie thank you. Dont miss vanished tonight at 9 00 p. M. Eastern. We have a new poll that shows jeb bush with a commanding lead as the gop frontrunner for president but how well does he do up against Hillary Clinton . We have interesting numbers to share with you. To politics now. Former Florida Governor jeb bush the clear leader in a new cnn poll on the respective republican field for 2016. Bush who recently announced hes considering a run tops the poll with 23 pup have new Jersey Governor Chris Christie in second. Dr. Ben carson is in third. Rand Paul Mike Huckabee round out the top five. Remember none of the front runners have officially declared for the 2016 president ial race. Let me bring in zeke Miller Rebecca berg and cnn senior digital correspondent chris moody. Zeke, i guess this isnt a surprise that you have jeb bush as the early frontrunner. Hes the son and brother of former two president s. Name recognition alone. Hes also the fronts runner with the donors. Actually surprising to see the base like him as much as the donors do. But he has the ability to reach out to the Donor Community and bringing a significant amount of the establishment his support comes from the chamber of commerce republicans, the type of republicans that you see that fill the mainstream part of the party. Hell have trouble with the base the folks who vote for rand paul or ben carson. This is a good show of support for him. With Chris Christie coming in second the two combined its a good indication the Republican Party is still a mainstream Republican Party. Rebecca, whats the advantage. On the democratic side you have Hillary Clinton hanging back now a little bit more than we thought she would initially. Do any of the kind i guess, on any side but talk to us about the republican side as well do they get an advantage if they declare first . Well absolutely because you look at these early polls before there are any official candidates very few official candidates maybe jim webb on the democratic side. One person he gets in our poll. Some for jim webb. For the serious candidates on both sides, basically these polls at this point are reflective of their name i. D. Who has the biggest name i. D. With jeb bush the bush name hes basically an incumbent with his father and brother having been president before. Hillary clinton you can say the same. Then you have people like paul ryan pulling very well hes been a Vice President ial candidate. If you look at this same poll so this was a the Washington Post abc news poll from 2006 at this time if you look at the republican field the top three were Mike Huckabee sarah palin and mitt romney. So mitt romney a former you know governor of massachusetts who ended up winning the nomination in 2012 and palin and huckabee known from the fox news circuit. Its a question of name i. D. Lets talk about mitt romney chris. If he were sort of in the mix here, if he was included in the poll how would that shift things one important thing is mitt romney was in our cnn poll last month and got about 20 and they did not put him in this one and thats right after jeb bush made his announcement hes thinking about running and propelled jeb into that space, basically the socalled establishment candidate. Shows theres a want and a need to fill for that and with mitt romney not in the poll at all thats where jeb bush can really rise up and shine. On the name i. D. One anomaly weve had is the rise of ben carson pulling at 7 to 10 . You were talking about name i. D. Hillary clinton has an incredible name i. D. Jeb bush as well. But ben carson . He was a fox news contributor. Thats how he built some of his name recognition. You poll him in iowa he polls better in iowa and new hampshire. He has been there frequently. He has staff in each of the states. He can be a real surprise as we start hitting the road. I think a lot of people look at ben carson and dont think this is a guy who will make it in the long run but this is someone who could shake up the race if he doesnt make it in the long run, right . With some of the folks that he appeals to with fact he can play the role of upset in iowa . He can make people nervous who are not only the establishment candidates but vying for that top conservative candidate the hard rightwinger. Its very difficult it will be a real challenge environment. A spoiler then for, i think a rand paul or ted cruz who can go the distance but dont have that sort of support with the grassroots. I want to end here on a bit of a talker. Theres a story coming out of hawaii first reported by bloomberg. The president is vacations in hawaii. And he played golf this weekend and it appears according to bloomberg that his golf game forced a couple both of whom happened to be in the army to move the location of their wedding. So you can imagine what an upset this would be as it was initially to the bride. But what do you guys think about this . Weigh in. The amazing thing not only did the president s golf game force this couple move to their wedding when they heard he was going to be in hawaii during the time of their wedding they invited the president to their wading and he decline. He declined their invitation and made them move their wedding. Its adding insult to injury. I was earn mailing someone and i thought there is no way the president knew he was forcing them to move their wedding. My suspicions were confirmed by one source who said the president didnt know the white house didnt know and the golf course made this move without telling the president. The couple was warned in advance. I guess its standard. This happens every year. Lets give them the benefit of the doubt and lets say he no idea no staffers had no idea the optics are hilarious bad. Service man, Service Women having their women, golf is involved president obama is taking some hits on that. Even if maybe a staffer can get a slap on the wrist for not knowing this it looks bad. Not going to happen again. The president did call the couple the bride was ecstatic so that was good but i dont think this is ever going to happen again. Thank you all. Some other headlines now. Irans Supreme Leader is villifying u. S. Police through his twitter account. The ayatollah khomeni compared the Police Attacks to sectarian attacks in the middle east. He tweeted it expects people who follow jesus follow him in his fight against arrogants and his support for the oppressed. Blacklivesmatter. And last months hack on sony pictures. The fbi said north korea was responsible for attacking sony but some hacking experts arent convinced. The Cyber Security firm norse did its own investigation. A former employee may be a culprit. Lindsey graham has his doubts about north korea telling cnn this weekend saying if the reclusive dick dayorship was involved he cant imagine china didnt play a role. We cant talk about north korea without talking about china. Need to have a heart to heart with china. Thats it for me. Ill be back at 5 00 eastern on the situation room. For our viewers in north america and around the world, newsroom starts right now. Hello, thanks so much for being here. Developing right now, in just a few hours search crews will be back on the hunt for airasia flight 8501. The search area is growing from seven zones to 11. Now its been almost 44 hours since the airbus a320 bound for signature important vanished from radar with no may day call and very few clues what may have happened in the last few minutes. The weather conditions were not good but further than that we dont want to speculate on anything more. Obviously there were storm clouds and the pilot had made a request to change