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CNNW Wolf December 30, 2014

Airasia Officials Say the focus now is on the recovery effort. The search area is about six miles from the planes last known location. Analysts say finding the cockpit voice and data recorders, the socalled black boxes, is key to trying to figure out what went wrong. A u. S. Navy ship has arrived in the search area. The uss sampson was dispatched following a request from the indonesian government. The pentagon says another ship the uss ft. Worth is also getting ready to deploy. The discovery of debris and bodies is devastating news for the families of the passengers and crew. While watching a live News Conference on television relatives saw a body among the wreckage. One woman had to be carried away on a stretcher. Hospitals in indonesia are preparing to help identify the bodies being recovered from flight 8501. In the meantime divers and ships equipped with sonar are being sent to the area where the debris was located. Cnns Andrew Stevens reports on the search for answers and for more wreckage from the doomed plane. Reporter breaking this morning, a devastating discovery, airasia confirming a number of bodies passengers of airasia 8501 found floating in the java sea. The vicks and debris some six miles from the aircrafts last known location. I think the debris field confirms a catastrophic event. I expect that the plane fuselage probably split in two. Reporter Officials Saying the debris found belongs to the missing airasia flight 8501. Searchers locating the debris in at least three separate locations, but so far, no survivors. A heartbreaking end to the threeday search for the plane. Relatives of those on board the plane in anguish over the news screaming, crying. These loved ones set to fly over the search area wednesday above a specially chartered airasia flight to pray for their loved ones. Its unclear if families will move forward with that flight. Airasias ceo, Tony Fernandez, expressing his condolences saying my heart is filled with sadness for all the families involved in qz 8501. Now the somber task of recovering the wreckage, the flight data and cockpit voice recorders and piecing together what caused the plane to go down. Overnight, audio transmissions from airasia 8501s cockpit to air Traffic Control surfacing providing little to know clues. The pilots cleared for takeoff from surabaya to singapore but would never arrive. For more now on the discovery of debris and what this could tell us im joined by cnn aviation correspondent Richard Quest, david soucie and peter goelz. The first of the debris was found six miles from the point of last contact with the plane. What does that tell us, richard . It tells us that the plane as it left the sky did so pretty much intact. If it had broken up at a very High Altitude there would have been a much greater spread of debris. If you look at for example, mh17, if you look at the other examples where planes have broken up in the sky, the debris is spread far and wide. Thats not the case here. David, does that seem close when youre talking about crash sites . Do you think crews should have found the debris sooner . No i think that its right on schedule with what you would expect in this. But back to richards point, im a little concerned about the lack of debris, actually. Theres a few of the deceased that are there. The door is there and this raft and the tank that was with it. Now, all of those things are contained. In fact the bag itself all those things are contained in the baggage compartment. And that aft baggage compartment door would have come off. The escape slide would have come out as well. And this bag is actually a flyaway kit which is used in case the aircraft has to land somewhere where theres no maintenance. It includes things like lightbulbs, oil, things like that. Its not a bag from the passengers. Its a bag thats part of the equipment on the aircraft. So im kind of hesitant right now to make the assumption that the aircraft broke up inflight to the extent where it couldnt fly. At this point, all i know is the door came off and some things came out of that aft baggage compartment. Theres that concern. And then also as we dont have the black boxes at this point. Thats what the search continues to be. But were able to pick up some hints from what were seeing. For instance one of the victims, it appears we saw this certainly when the plane broke up over ukraine after it was shot down. Many of the bodies only clad in underwear, not in clothes. That was the case with one of these bodies floating in the water. What does that tell snus. It might indicate that late in the accident sequence which would not be unusual, the plane started to come undone at a lower altitude and a few of the passengers the victims were ejected. It could indicate that. But its far too soon. We need to look at the wreckage to see whether it shows tearing or compression damage. And we need to find the main debris field which means they have to get the sonar detectors in to pick up the pings from the black boxes as soon as possible. So how far do you think, david, this debris field could be spread over, then . Well if you look at mh17, it was spread out over about six miles. And that was an inflight breakup due to the missile and the impact with that missile. So it can continue to fly. The main body of the section can continue to fly or once again, it could very well be right where this debris is and just be all submerged at this point. But its too early to tell. And the key is in the Flight Control, the flight data recorder and the cockpit data recorder. Richard, how long do you think it may take to locate the wreckage of the plane . David, im sure, is correct. Theres a larger debris field out there. Were looking at a few more days to actually locate it. Its done by the usual, traditional ways of reverse drifting, which way the current not particularly strong current here but which way the winds were blowing, which way its likely to have gone. Theres no good news here. So ill put it in terms of the encouraging news is the fact they have found some debris like with 447 does allow them to have great confidence in which direction to go forward. So it is a matter of days or weeks. I think probably just days before you would find a larger debris field. This isnt deep water. Its not dramatically far from land. Its not the middle of the south atlantic or the south indian ocean. And it is shallow, certainly compared to some of these other recoveries that weve talked about. Well certainly be waiting to find out about those data and voice recorders. Richard quest, david soucie, peter goelz, stick around. This was a Violent Storm that airasia 8501 flew into. Its monsoon season in this area. What kind of weather will searchers have to endure as they search for the black boxes . Just how far down will they have to look . And we want to hear from you. Use 8501qs on twitter. Plus was the fbi wrong to point the finger at north korea in the hack against sony . One Security Firm says yes. Well tell you who they believe is behind the hack. The water where debris from airasia 8501 has been found is relatively shallow. Its really only about 80 to 100 feet deep in some places. But searchers may have to deal with wind and currents and some rather challenging weather conditions as they move into this recovery operation. Chad myers here now to walk us through it. What all are they facing chad . Very big storms, brianna, that pick up right in the middle of the morning hours, when you want it to calm down when all the assets get there and the daylight is there, it just gets windy. And the wind creates whitecaps. Youre looking for parts of a white plane with whitecaps everywhere, doesnt go very well. Going to be a difficult process. Every time one of these big red blobs, a clustered thunderstorm runs over the debris field, winds pick up lightning picks up as well. And all of a sudden youre scattering that debris even more. Now, eventually were going to get the pinger locater on top of the pinger itself and well find it. But im on board with david here with this larger debris field because for so many days weve had wibdnd. And any little piece of debris thats been sticking up out of the water at all will have windage, like a sailboat. And it will float down much faster than something slightly below the surface but not sticking up very much. So youre starting with a wind of 30 Miles Per Hour at times. You can really push some of these pieces of debris pretty far. Heres the deal with this area every time its morning, the storms pick up. Tomorrow night when the sun sets its going to be almost completely clear with very few showers. Go ahead to the next morning. What happens . More storms pick up. Its in diurnal process, opposite the process we see here in the states where our storms pick up around 4 00 or 5 00 in the afternoon. We think about the Northern Hemisphere have short days and long nights. This is the equator is the days and the nights are equal for the equator thing. Very Little Current activity in this area at least from where the last known position was to the debris field. I think the debris is getting more spread out by wind than by current, brianna. Chad, thank you so much. If searchandrecovery crews are able to recover the flight data and cockpit voice recorders, what do we expect to learn . Joining me on the phone, we have an aviation consultant and former pilot whos actually flown this route that flight 8501 took. Thanks so much for being with us, allister. Were learning there was a twominute delay between the pilots request to ascend and the controllers approval. Is this a normal amount of time in that situation and in that area . Hello, brianna. There could be a delay for various reasons. One, the controller had to confirm that it is clear to give him a climb. There will be delay if theres another aircraft in the vicinity and he has to make quick calculations as to whether or not this aircraft climbing at its speed will get too close within the safety margins with any other aircraft passing either in the opposite direction or about in the same direction. So its not i wouldnt see that as particularly unusual for a twominute delay. But the question should really be asked as to why they were asking for a climb in the first place because if this was the flight plan level that they were hoping to achieve, that would be a normal request. If it was to climb over the top of weather, well then you should ask whether its a wise decision to do so. Its difficult to climb over a tropical thunderstorm. They have quite extensive vertical development and they grow at a very fast rate. Its difficult to secondguess what a very experienced crew were doing when im sitting here on the ground and reading through press reports. You have flown this route. You were an experienced pilot. If this plane did get into a stall as we think may have been the case if it was ascending and lost air speed that was needed to keep the plane flying what can you do to get out of a stall like that when this is a huge plane. Well, ill talk in general terms here. But if you do have a stall at High Altitudes, the very first thing youre going to do is lower the nose and apply more power. And thats how you would normally recover from that. If theyre in a climb, probably go pretty much like full power anyway. The only thing left to do is to lower the nose. To gain speed. Were probably thinking here of the air france accident where the that was over the atlantic when the aircraft impacted the sea. That was because the first officer was holding the nose of the aircraft up because he was getting a false air speed indicator warning because of a faulty pitot tube that had iced up in these conditions. But that is unlikely to be the case here. Because you have a different type of pitot on the a320 or alternately, more importantly, that fault has been rectified. So its a question of what actually happened on the day there. But generally speaking with the stall, that recovery is as i explained. Put the nose down and get the speed up. So youre looking now since we spoke yesterday, there is now new evidence having found some of the debris from this plane. With what you know about the debris thats been found, the fact that one of the bodies seen was not clothed, was only wearing undergarments, what can you determine from what happened . Well, this is slightly outside of my field. All i can speak is from what i know from previous accidents. But if an aircraft was to break up in the air, then its not unusual for the people on board to lose their clothing in the fall. But the same thing could happen on impact. But as i say, this is not my field of expertise. Yeah. All right. And certainly its really those black boxes that well be waiting for to really answer all of these questions. Thanks for joining us on the phone. Now that some of the wreckage of airasia has been discovered crews will be able to go under water and start searching for the rest of the plane. Well have a look at how they might be doing that next. And one Security Group says north korea was not behind that attack on sony. They think they know exactly who is. vo nourished. Rescued. Protected. Given new hope. During the subaru share the love event, subaru owners feel it, too. Because when you take home a new subaru we donate 250 dollars to helping those in need. Well have given 50 Million Dollars over seven years. Love. Its what makes a subaru a subaru. In other news a Health Care Worker who has been diagnosed with ebola is now in a london hospital. The woman, a nurse, was transferred there from scotland. She was a volunteer who was sent to sierra leone by the government last month. Shes the first person diagnosed with ebola in the United Kingdom and the second to be treated at the special Isolation Unit at londons royal free hospital. A cyber Security Firm disputes the fbis claim that north korea was behind a huge and rather embarrassing hack of sony pictures. Members of north security met with the fbi for three hours yesterday to argue that disgruntled sony employees were probably behind this data breach, not north korea. The firms ceo explains some of its reasoning last night on cnn. The suspects at least one had tied to Critical Knowledge of sony systems, i. P. Addresses, credentials, et cetera. And also had motive for what i would say would be upset at sony due to reorganization that happened within the department. Was the fbi wrong to point the finger at north korea . Cnn justice correspondent pamela brown has been talking to the fbi about it. The fbi meets with norse. Then what does the fbi say after that meeting . Are they won over at all or not . Absolutely not. The fbi stands behind its initial assessment. That north korea is the sole suspect. They say nothing on that front has changed. Theres no credible information to indicate that any other individuals were involved with the sony hack. So we talked about the fact that the fbi met with cyber experts from the company norse last night. This Company Actually launched its own independent investigation. And the company says it shared data with the fbi indicating that other individuals not directly linked to the north korean government were involved in the hack including a former sony employee of ten years who was laid off last may. Norse contends this employee is actually the one that gave the top secret administrator credentials and handed it over to the hackers, guardians of peace, who then claimed responsibility for the hack. But the fbi is saying again, no credible information to back that up. And they say their assessment didnt just come from their own investigation but also the investigation with foreign partners, department of Homeland Security and others. So theyre saying there was no disgruntled employee involved in this . Theyre saying theres no credible information to back up the idea that anyone outside of the north korean government was involved in this hack. Now, the investigation is ongoing. Its important to and it takes time. Yes. But i will say from very early on in this investigation, earlier than normal from what ive seen in cyber investigations there was a strong sense that the north korean government was behind it from the beginning. Norse contends that the disgruntled sony employee took the credentials and the information was taken off the system and then north korea got involved later on. The fbi saying look we believe north koreas the sole suspect here. Is norse credible are they good at this . Norse there are many cyber Security Firms. Norse wasnt brought in from the private sector is to help investigate. Norse took it upon themselves to look into this. They looked at Human Resources documents that were dumped online by the hackers and crossreferenced it with other information in order to come to this conclusion. But as you heard the ceo say, theyre pretty convinced by their theory. Pretty interesting. We really want to get to the bottom of this. Absolutely. Well keep digging along with you. Pamela, thank you. Coming up we have more on the crash of airasia flight 8501. Well take a closer look at where the debris was found. Well show you the different underwater devices that may be used to retrieve it. Later on our panel of experts will answer your questions about flight 8501. Stay with us. [ male announcer ] when John Huntsman was diagnosed with cancer, he didnt just vow to beat it. I vowed to eradicate it from the earth. So he founded Huntsman Cancer Institute. Everything about it would be different. It would feel different. Look different. And fight cancer in new and different ways. With the largest genetic database on earth that combines 300 years of family histories with Health Records to treat, predict and in many cases, prevent, cancer. [ huntsman ] we made it welcoming and warm with a focus on beauty serenity and getting on with life. 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