The definition of amnesty is a full pardon with no penalty. No one is talking about that. No one is talking about handing these folks a passport. No one is talking about a full pardon without penalty. That to come forward and do a background check, they have to pay a fine of back taxes, and then they can achieve legal status, if they want citizenship, which not all of them tdo. There is a separate process for that. One of the principals is, they have to get in line and wait their turn. We were beyond dismissing issues of natural consequence and a huge economic consequence of the future with one word. I say that on both sides. Weve got to be thoughtful and be strategic, but i think we are at the stage where we need more than one word here. Weve got to debate this and come to a way of fixing our system. Here are the numbers to call. We have a line set up for legal and Illegal Immigrants. Democrats, 2027370001. Republicans, 2027370002. Independents, 2026280205. Tell us about the group you co founded. Guest it is a group to reach out to republicans to provide support to those republicans who want to support Immigration Reform. This is first and foremost an economic priority. We cannot grow without immigration. Have proof of that. Anytime we have clamped down on immigration, we have seen it in our economy. This is a first and foremost an economic imperative. Many republicans know and see that. We would provide the marketplace with education materials so that people understand this is the right thing to do. We have agreed were not going to put people on buses and 747s. Were also not going to say, this is a passport for everybody. We know the solution is in the middle. That is what we have to work on. Rejecting a notion because of a lack of conviction for immigration is going to make matters worse. We have a disadvantage versus canada and australia. They have updated their system. Hours dates back to the 1950s, 1960s, 1970s, and 1980s. Host to take a super pac aimed at electing republicans dedicated to reforming immigration. Lets go to the phones. Caller good morning. I would like to set the record straight. There are not 11 million illegal aliens in this country. There were more like 26 million. Obama wants to extend the invitation to come there to these peoples families. We could end up with 35 million people. 70 of the people are from mexico and south america. This is why obama was able to get back in as president. We should not be in a position where one ethnic group is able to determine the outcome of election. 47 of these people are receiving some form of public assistance. Host we will get a response from secretary gutierrez. Guest i dont know what the source of your numbers are. I have never heard those numbers. They sound incredibly inflated. The thing about immigration that we should think about is that the reason we have undocumented workers in the country is that our laws are dysfunctional. If businesses cannot hire a worker with documentation, either they go out of business or they hire whoever they can. These folks have come to the u. S. Because their jobs. They did not come seeking welfare. Undocumented unemployment is lower than the National Average because they come to fill jobs that would be vacant if they were not here. When the job market is no longer market, they will not come. We need to fix our laws so are system enables us to bring in the workers we need to grow our economy legally. Host the caller mentioned the term 47 above those who use public services. That is a phrase mitt romney used. You were working with the mitt romney campaign. There was some criticism since the campaign wound down. Guest we have talked about the process the governor had to take some positions in order to get nominated or to be the partys candidate. Then take different positions in the national election. That is a system the party should be talking about. It is very tough in this day and age. The idea of selfdeportation. I think it was very poor advice. What it said to immigrants was get out, we do not what you here. He talked about having a comprehensive reform plan in his first year. People were still asking about his statement of self deportation. I think that was a part of whatever criticism i may have had. I believe we misread the immigrant population. They would say in polls, we want education and immigration would be number 5 or number 6. Immigrants are not worried about that anymore, they are worried about jobs. Thats not true. Immigrants want them to know and the word get those vibes from our party and our candidate. It is a feel that people have about who wants to be in this country. Host teresa is a legal immigrant. Good morning. Caller good morning. I have been in this country for 12 years. I did my masters and then my ph. D. Right now im working with an h 1 visa. I have tried to apply to a waiver. They keep on refusing me. I have my ph. D. Im becoming so frustrated. It is easier to become an illegal immigrant in this country. It sends a message out there. Dont go through the line. It is so frustrating you try to do the right thing. They take somebodys Social Security number. There are americans in this country that do not want to work. It is easier to do things the illegal way. They should find a way to help people that want to go through the right system to be legal immigrants. I have spent almost 20,000 and that is from private loans. You are taking loans and you cannot pay for it. It is beneficial to be an illegal immigrant. Host thank you, teresa. Guest it is an excellent comment and a great example of what is wrong with our system. To follow legal channels has become more difficult then to find a way of going around the rules. The rules and laws do not work. They are too bureaucratic. You have to go through four different agencies. Four months go by and the harvest is over. The system is not helping her. Our quotas for that segment of immigration are too low. We need to increase those. We have companies that are Building Research and Development Centers in canada. It is a great example of why we have to fix the Legal Immigration system to prevent the undocumented immigration system. Host Carlos Gutierrez is the cofounder of the super pacs, as been for Immigration Reform. We have some comments on twitter. This is from rick. Tj says host velo tweets in. Diana from tampa. Caller thank you for having me. I believe he is from cuba. My husband came here over 30 years ago from cuba. He is not seen his daughters or grandchildren. He pays 400 every year just to stay in the United States. We need to open up to cuba. The economy there has been such a struggle. We should be more empathetic to the spanish people. Most of these companies that hire undocumented workers, most are republicans. I think they play on the other side of the fence. They wanted to immigration but the pay them 5 or 6 an hour. I believe the mexicans that want to work hard, we should have them stay here and try to get their citizenship. Thank you. Guest if i could say to the caller, when i came from cuba, we are immigrants and political refugees. One thing i remember about the country was help welcoming it was. I felt that people wanted me to succeed and people would celebrate my success. I did not speak a word of english. But people were welcoming. In the case of the undocumented workers, there is a bigger argument here, i think it is a time for National Reconciliation. These folks across the border 10, 15 years ago or five years ago. Some people come through airlines. Go north and you can find a job. They found employers that were willing to hire them. They had to be hired. The legal processes do not work very well. Some do not work at all. They have been making our produce and growing our fruits and vegetables and mowing are lawns, doing all these things we take for granted. There is something unfair about putting all the burden on the one individual who came over to do just one thing and that is to work. I think we have to come to grips with that. There is a matter of National Character and honor that says we have to admit we have a problem. We are all accountable. Lets Work Together to get this fixed. I would like to think history will look back and say that was a moment of great character for the u. S. And not a blemish on our history because we do not have a great history when it comes to lowskilled immigration or new immigrants. It happens to be hispanic immigrants. Go back 50, 60 years ago. We went through the chinese exclusion act. Every group has faced the problem. The power of immigration has always won out. Belief in our system. This idea that immigrants will change our language and take over our cultural is a lack of confidence in the american magic. People come to the u. S. And want to be american. They want to be part of the mainstream. We only speak one language. Chinese companies can read our plans but we cannot read theirs. We should have more faith in American Society and this incredible experiment that has been american democracy. People come here and become americans. That is our great advantage. Host a headline in national journal. Host looking at a chart from national journal. 131 of the House Republicans represent districts that are mostly white. Republicans have the majority of those. The numbers diminish. Is there any incentive to vote for Immigration Reform . Guest yes, absolutely. If we are the party of growth and the party of prosperity and free markets and individual opportunities, then we must be the party of immigration. There is a strategic inconsistency of being the freemarket party and individual opportunity and upward mobility and all the great things our freemarket system can do and not be the party of immigration. So immigration is an important economic imperative. I am pleased to see it members like paul ryan, who is a leader. People will follow john mccain and marco rubio and others. It is the right thing for our country and the right thing for our economy. Republicans have should have more interest in getting this reform passed than democrats. I think we won it for all the right reasons and that is because we want the hispanic votes. It is the right policy. Host we must do better at has a different opinion on twitter. Lets go to ann in florida. Good morning. Caller good morning. I think youre the most wonderful example of immigration in our country. I am a little nervous. I am a republican. I was concerned about the speech by marco rubio. How do you think our Current Administration president is going to follow in forcing identification . Im in florida. How the enforcement by the republican platform that they unveiled will be addressed in terms of following our border rules and that sort of thing. Thank you. Guest thank you. That is a good question. Senator rubio issued a press release talking about that aspect of it. The president did not identify border triggers before we allow legalized undocumented workers to apply for a green card if they choose to do so. The subject of a security is the essential. No country in the world needs to be apologetic for one to secure its borders and to know who is in the country. That is a right of every sovereign country. Our situation is complex. It is the borders and the airports. A lot of it is a system of the physical border but also being able to track who enters at an airport, the visa expired but they have not left. We have a lot more technology than the last time we tried this. We can do things like provide the private sector with verification tools that enable you to get a match on a Social Security number, and we should put that technology to work. It is the border and the airports and verify who is in the country and applying for work. We have the technology to do it. We to ensure we get this done in a way that makes sense for our system. That will help us in many years if we have that kind of system. President obama promised he would do this in his first year. He did not. The worry is we go at this again and it doesnt work. The president gets all the political points. The republicans get all the political blame. A political victory but not a strategic victory for the country. We need to make this a National Purpose of policy and not an exercise in politics. I hope well keep our eye on that. That is going to be the big challenge. Host we have an idea from jbc. Al in rhode island, hi, al. Caller good morning. Thank you for cspan. The American People want immigration but they want Legal Immigration. We do not one no favoritism for anybody. You talk about language. The chinese came here. It is not right. This president is so far off the ball. We will bring 11 million more people into this country when we dont put those people to work first . I did not think that is right. We have other problems that are more important. Were flooding this country with unskilled workers. Guest the only reason on skilled workers come to this country is because there is unskilled work that needs to be done that frankly americans do not want to do anymore. Go back decades, there was a time when you worked on the family farm. There was a time somebody would be a truck driver. That is life and my kids will do better. Americans are very different today and their skill levels is higher. These are job openings that the economy has. If we went back 20 years, we would not have grown as fast as we have grown. As part of this National Reconciliation and being big about this, these undocumented workers have made a tremendous contribution to our economy. People like to talk about fairness. All of a sudden we say, get out. I think we have to do the right thing for the brand equity of the u. S. Host did you want to respond to a tweet about getting the border part done first . Guest until we fix our laws, we will not care rid of undocumented immigration or ilLegal Immigration. The reason we have ilLegal Immigration is because we do not have legal processes to be able to bring people in. It is like our laws do not recognize that immigration is an annual affair. We need immigrants every single year. Our work force has to be growing every single year. Unless we have that understanding and to make up for that reality through our laws, we are going to have a dysfunctional system. I agree with the caller. Border security and being able to decide who comes into the country is very much our obligation and right. Unless we fix our laws, congress is making it difficult to stop immigration. Host mike is our last call. Caller i am a democrat and African American in this country. The congressman that yelled you lied to the president i wonder if he tells the truth. 11 million Illegal Immigrants staying in this country. Will they qualify for obamacare . When you say immigrants, she know the people are talking about Illegal Immigrants. They are not talking about legal immigrants. Guest that is a good point. Part of this issue is not just what you do about the 11 million undocumented. They are here and working and have families. The point about obamacare the president talked about entitlements if they choose to get in line and apply for a green card and wait that time and they can have access to in, programs as the law demands today. That means they would not have obamacare. If they do, that changes the economic equation dramatically. A profound strategic statement. People come to our country today to work. They come to do what all immigrants have wanted to do. They want to contribute and stay out of trouble and they want access to this Incredible Society that we have. Many people go to European Countries because of the entitlement systems. They go for the wrong reasons. I would hate to think future immigrants come to the u. S. For our entitlements. It has never been that way. They come here to work. They know their children will do better than they will. They also want to dream. We want to be careful about what kind of a country we are. People are going for the entitlements and not the work opportunity. Host secretary Carlos Gutierrez, thank you for joining us this morning. On the next washington journal, a look at the u. S. Auto industry. Well preview what is expected for car sales this year and talk about all rossetti in federal regulation. Our guest is matt blunt. Washington journal is live on c span every day at 7 00 a. M. Eastern. Wednesday, Senior Executives at honda and chrysler endorse new regulations on gasoline. You can see the entire event at our website, cspan. Org. Given the fact that gasoline seems to be the dominant choice of fuel for the foreseeable future, as we talked about in the previous panel, moving forward on regulations to lower the sulfur in gasoline at a hollywood to the white house review today after being a little bit delayed because of the president ial election. Nobody wants to be perceived as creating higher gasoline prices. I would like to hear from the automakers about what your position in on these regulations and why you think these are important steps to take. Just by the nature of how it worked out, and the epa did join the debate, as we start working towards National Standards at that time. We have been supportive of having those rules released a year ago. Fuel is a very important feature and the sulfur content they need lowsulfur fuel to live. Its great to see that potential coming. The next that has to be opening it up to lower carbon fuels in general and that will be the discussions we have over the next few years. Tier 3 is really about two things. Lower sulfur, which is required to get the lower cost catalyst so that we can burn the gasoline as cleanly as possible, and about phasing in california has a cleaner regs, and we are all in favor of having won National Program which consistent rules, regardless of the state. It is really about getting california level fuels and we are all very supportive of it. Will be a trivial amount of increase in the cost of