And i do know that its up nearly 90 so far in the First Quarter of this year. Around 54 officers killed in the line of duty. The exact total i dont have. Judge poe i have more questions and i will submit them in writing. Thank you. Chairman the gentlelady from texas has a unanimous consent motion. Representative jackson lee may i just say one or two points, mr. Chairman . First of all, let me ask to have unanimous consent to enter into the record the following documents and statement from the aclu, statement of the National Urban league, executive order 136 88 which provides federal standards for acquisition of military equipment, a letter from mr. Scott and colin requesting a hearing for myself, im sorry. For mr. Scott and mr. Cohen. And an article entitled, Law Enforcement warrior problem to be added into the record. Chairman without objection. Rep. Jackson lee and if i might make one simple comment. That is i want to express to all of you, the significance of your testimony. That the Judiciary Committee through our chairman and ranking member, are very serious about coming forward in this. Of recognizing the pain of an officers death, and the pain of a civilians confusion in apprehension about police and maybe even their death. I frankly believe we can find a common ground. I hope you will allow us to inquire, i hope you will make yourself resources as we go forward to address a mothers pain, and as well find that even place. I end my remarks by quoting a philosopher. Treat people as if they were what they should be, and you help them become what they are capable of being. I justice said, if you are to keep democracy, there must be one commandment, and, sheriff clarke, i think this is what you are speaking of. Thou shall not ration justice. Everyone deserves justice. And we do not deny your officers justice and we have to let the civilian population, no matter who they are, know that they will get justice. That is what this committees purpose is. And i hope we will have more provocative hearings, maybe those who have lost loved ones maybe the young people who are raising the signs because of their passion of black lives matter, all lives matter, hands up dont shoot, and, as well, i cant breeze breathe. Lets give all of those people dignity. This hearing is want to give all of us, including all the men and women you represent. I yield back. Chairman the gentlelady yields back. I want to thank our panel of witnesses for your expertise for your experience, life experience, your perspective and collegiality with one another and the members of the committee. I could not help but think while judge poe was talking, and mr. Jeffries that we are all in part beneficiary but also part prisoner of our own background. Our own experience. Prosecutors may not have the benefit of the judicial view like judge poe. Or what cedric described growing up is something i would not have experienced growing up so i think it is a good idea for us to the extent we can, to rely upon the experiences of other people, wellintentioned people. And there are a lot of issues raised, all of which are important. The issue i hope we can have another Committee Hearing on, at some point, and i think, mr. Jeffries, you touched upon it, that the failure to cooperate on that end impacts the prosecution of Police Officers who have done wrong. I saw the failure to cooperate in the faces of moms and dads who were trying to get justice for their murdered young people for those other witnesses who would not cooperate, so i think we all want a Justice System that is respected, in fact we have to have a Justice System that is respected or we will not make it. So i hope this is the first of many hearings. And, again on behalf of all the , other members, we want to thank you for your participation. This concludes todays hearing. 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Marys university to work as a federal prosecutor from 1990 to 1999 and moved to austin to become a deputy to then Texas Attorney general john cornyn. Later, our guest joins the was Attorneys Office and was chief of the terrorism and National Security division for west texas. In 2004, he was elected to the house and became chairman of the House Homeland Security commission in 2013. He and his wife linda are the parents of five children. Thus ends the biographical portion of the program and onto the riveting mechanical details. First, thanks to our underwriter. Northrop grumman. As always, we are on the record, please, no live blogging or tweeting. In short no filing of any kind while breakfast is underway to give us time to listen to what our guest says. There is no embargo when the session ends. To help you curb that relentless selfie urge, we will email several pictures of the session to all reporters here as soon as the breakfast inns ends. As regular attendees know, if you would like to ask a question, please do the traditional thing and send me a subtle nonthreatening signal and i will happily call on as many reporters as he can in the time we have this morning. We will start off by offering our guest the opportunity to make opening comments and we will move to questions around the table. With that, thank you for doing this. Thank you for braving the rain. We appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you to you for hosting this. I just got back from the middle east and europe and we all came back with a strange and mysterious cough. I hope its not a disease or contagious. From the press standpoint, but i think we will be ok. David mentioned i have five teenagers at home. At first, all the guys in new york know i am from texas and they asked about my kids and they said, teenagers, we have had a couple of those. The difference between a teenager and a terrorist . You can negotiate with the terrorists. [laughter] i come to washington for peace and quiet at times. It is a good Training Experience at home and in washington. I will not talk long with a dialogue but i think the threat environment has never been since 9 11, the fighters we investigated going over to the middle east and into europe for where these spiders go to, but also over the internet. You have all read about the imminent threat to military installations and much of that is internet driven. By individuals in syria and elsewhere through twitter accounts to activate followers in the United States. That threat along with refugees is a serious concern of ours protecting the homeland. Of course, finally, the complete disaster in iraq with the Prime Minister of iraq. The last week before ramadi felt and ideas of bringing shia militias in to fight the war against isis really goes against the grain over there and inflames sunni tribes. It inflames and i dont see how you can critically unify the country with that kind of military strategy. I think we are failing here, losing ground. I think ramadi is a good example of that and i often tell people back home and say, why is it so important . Its because it is a safe haven and a base of operation from which they can breed terrorism and get extra operations against the United States, so that is so important. Not to mention the fact that so many of my constituents have lost their sons and daughters and they are in conflict, gold star mothers want it to count for something. And i think many things created isis but to the resurgence which is now modernday isis. With that, i throw that out as an opening sort of szabo for a good discussion. Dave sounds good. I will do one or two and well go to martin, brian, sarah, todd gillman, called, and aaron kelly to start. I want to ask you how consequential you think it will be to Homeland Security if the nsa bulk Data Collection expires maybe for brief time during the congressional recess . You said yesterday with ap saying it is a dangerous thing to do, why is it dangerous . Are there workarounds in the short term . Mr. Mccaul that is our hope that with that congressional action it expires and that creates a danger to the American People. I am a little disappointed that i cannot work this out. We passed the bill and now the house is threatened between security and privacy. When i was in when i was applying for the fbi, it cannot be done. The metadata is more accessible, yes. I think it can be done the way we used to do it and could still be affected. Effective, and i think the political reality is we could pass the ball collection of metadata, and i think what youre seeing and the senate is a filibuster, which is very predictable. I think a better approach would have been to pass what we passed out of the house. Mr. Cook. One other for me on ramadi. Obviously, you talked earlier about the disaster or complete disaster in iraq. From Homeland Security purposes, why does it matter if ramadi falls . That ramadi fell . Is the way i should have said it. Mr. Mccaul what we are seeing is a phenomenon of not only governance, but they are sophisticated over the internet. More failed states is what the rack is becoming. We left iraq and i think we won. We left a secure nation, but the lacking agreement, coupled with malikis disenfranchisement of these sunni tribes created isis, and that affects the homeland, because people would say that there were a lot. And it is not just syria and iraq. It is libya. It is all throughout northern africa. It is going into asia, as well. Everywhere where we see power vacuums, and this is why they will tell you this is more than they have seen in some time, the fact that they have more safe havens to operate out of and when they have that, there are opportunities to conduct operations, not unlike the group in syria, which we know is intent on developing nonmetallic ied explosives to get on airplanes for the United States. Now, i think we took out one area with an airstrike. I think the demise was a positive development, and we need more. We need to develop special thanks. We need more of that. The problem is that Iraqi National army is not the army we had four years ago. Not the one we trained, they are a brandnew army and they have demonstrated that they are completely incapable of defending iraq. They dropped their weapons in mosul. They dropped their weapons in ramadi, and now, sadly for us, they have taken over another city with the greatest antiquities in iraq that they will destroy and sell on the open market for many. I think abu is important because he was the cfo of isis and controlled the energy and oil supply. The data we got from them i hope will be helpful to expose their networks, but from a financing standpoint, those kinds of Networks Inside of syria and outside that we can exploit. Mr. Cook we had adam schiff p earlier in the week, and he said kudos to our special forces, but concerns about whether it was worth worth the risk, especially a risk if it failed. That is not a view you share, i take it . Mr. Mccaul i respect him a lot and he is a good friend, but i think just like the takedown of bin laden, that was worthwhile. I think we can take down the isis leader like abu, it is critically important. You are taking down a lot of expertise. You get rid of a lot of expertise. Of course, his wife was involved. Hostages. A hostage situation. I argue when you take out evil, particularly those at the top that is a worthwhile endeavor, and i think we need to do more of that to defeat isis. Otherwise, people will just wash their hands and walk away from the situation. Mr. Cook first, we will go to martin from the hill. Martin earlier this year at a hearing, you express concern about the state department efforts, saying it was possibly creating a federally funded jihadi pipeline into the u. S. I was wondering if you could give an update of sorts, have you talk more to the administration . Have you concerns about the satisfied, allayed, or are you concerned still . Mr. Mccaul i came back from the trip from the middle east and our european counterparts are absorbing thousands of Syrian Refugees on a monthly basis going into whether it is italy or up through amsterdam they are absorbing these refugees on a daily basis. I dont know how you can absorb that number. They normally go to the dais poor communities. And integrating with the european societies, it causes it is a threat to them, and they know that. I will get into the foreign travel. They do not screen their own citizens, which is a huge vulnerability for the europeans and the airport does not screen outbound. They did not screen at all a year ago, because they were did not want assad going through turkey. They changed the course of action, the question that you are posing is did Syrian Refugees enter the United States . How safe is that proposition . If it is just mothers and children i have seen what it looks like, and there are a lot of mothers and kids, but there are a lot of males that conduct terrorist operations and that concerns me. The problem i have is that the assistant director of the fbi testified before our committee that we dont have databases on these, so we cant properly fit that vet them in past databases to know who they are, to know where they came from, to know what that they pose because we dont have the data to crossreference them. The fbi has warned strongly against this move, as has Homeland Security privately. In there is john carey, and the fbi saying this is a really bad idea from a security standpoint. We even had two iraqis come with all of the intelligence, came in , making bombs to kill our guys as posing a threat to the United States when they came in. Within syria, so we do not have an intelligence footprint and capability, we have lowered the bar, so i think bringing them in is a serious mistake. We brought in 700 of them already. We are slated to bring in more by the end of the year, and the numbers will take up, so there are many communities in the United States i am not trying to be an alarmist about this. Dave you want to do a followup and they go to brian . Mr. Mccaul unless i have assurance about these people when i questioned carry on foreign affairs, he said there is a process but they want to ask fbi what the super buddy vetting process there isnt any. We do not have the databases on them, so with the biometrics and databases to assure we can safely bring them in i do not think that is what the American People want. And europe has a real problem on their hands right now. Dave ryan from the l. A. Times. Brian i would go back to the expired provisions of the patriot act. In addition, the other Business Records they are collecting. Those are all set to expire. Can you talk what the impacts if those are allowed to expire . Mr. Mccaul the surpassed after nine 11. I think i may be one of the few members that actually prosecuted in process and the patriot act. The role of the wiretap is absolutely essential. With the twitter acc