Are doing training with one of the challenges is the efforts have not been wellintegrated or catalogued. So its hard for a lot of people to really get their hands around all of the activities that are ongoing. I think your point is absolutely valid and that we do need to make sure that we provide these resources and this is something that we are good at. But really to do this effectively they probably are going to have to really encourage a lot more International Leadership than we have seen today. Thank you for that comment. I think it really helps concentrate the will of the institution to step forward into this type type of training. Its a fairly major effort of foot involves in the institute for mr. Armstrong himself is one of the board of trustees to put a Major Program together related to the training, training the trainers and training individuals and this is actually going to get started in a major way tonight and already has senior level institutional support. The real question is how quickly can we act because your question is we need these people now. There are people who want to be trained and everybody going to the cdc is just a little bit of a trickle. It helps us to concentrate the urgency to put these programs together. Do you have a question . Good morning. The ebola has created a lot of and sierra leone. In sierra leone there are over 50,000. [inaudible] are there any plans in place to take care of orphans who have lost family members to ebola . s. I dont of any large plans but its certainly something that was highlighted in, by the, team and unicef so it is part of what they have asked us to do as well as the Community Mobilization team to look at what you do with orphans and also actually theres a lot of stigmatization around survivors as well as well as a lot of psychosocial trauma among caregivers. There is a need to have that kind of program to address those kinds of concerns for orphans as well as for survivors and caregivers. I think thats something that is going to emerge and something we are working on. Again i think we are a small part of what has to be a larger effort. I know the save the children is working on this very topic and is try to bring awareness. Those are two organizations. Save the children would be a good place to look for those efforts and where they are. Lets take one last question. My name is Catherine Bertram and my question is in relation to a slide from trish pearl map showing the three stages trish pearl and it looked like the slide that was in the latter stage where your immune system is going to kick and are not. My question is what do we know about cases where maybe the immune system kicks enduring the earlier stages or if there are cases where there are mild symptoms that present where the regular immune system kicks in . I think theres going to be a little bit of discussion in the next session about some of this if you care about the people are given serum early on in the illness and its an attempt to neutralize anybody early on. I think that theres a sense that this act acts like a lot of ordinary viruses and that you can modulate the immune system in a way to impact not only the severity but even perhaps the development of infection. The other types of interventions that are going on is they are vaccinated people early on after exposure to see if they can prevent also the severity of illness. I would say there is not a lot known about the pathophysiology and one of the things a lot of the Research Community is trying to do better understand the mechanisms of illness given this is the first time the developed world in a large way is involved in the care and having access. I think theres a lot to come but i know dr. Jahrling will be speaking about some of these issues in the next session. Thank you very much. Texas officials discuss their plans on how to deal with undocumented minors. 7 00 a. M. , your calls and comment on washington journal. And executive Vice President of the planned parenthood action fund. She will talk about the role of planned parenthood in 2014 and how it plays out and political campaigns this year. The cspan cities tour takes place in u. S. Cities on the road to learn about their history and literary life. We parted partnered with Time Warner Cable for a visit to wisconsin. Not only the most cheese but also the best cheese. In wisconsin there is the homestead cheese were everybody eats cheese and it is recognized that we had an ideal environment and cheese was really just a way to take that perishable product when refrigeration would only last three days, if you make it into cheese, Cheddar Cheese can last for a decade. The 1880s when the industry got started in wisconsin. 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Weve heard about the bodily harm they do to themselves in solitary confinement, selfmutilation, the feces they put on the door, this deterioration of your sense of self, no more respect for yourself and to damage your body. Empiricalve strong evidence that it makes people better, i have anecdotal evidence and people i talk to, and i see it as more of a spiritual thing. It is very if to measure the spiritual effects. Watch all of our events on green at twoday afternoon eastern. Next a discussion about what to do about undocumented youth in the United States. We will hear from a tea party official, a county judge, a texas land commissioner and a woman who was the first undocumented latina to testify for congress. It was part of the annual Texas Tribune festival. It is one hour 10 minutes. Afternoon. Thank you for being here today. I am many fernandez. The Texas Tribune, im very happy to to the fourthne annual Texas Tribune festival today, entitled what to do with the dreamers. Panelists are george baldor, a dallas businessman who started a website supporting the texas act, also known as hb1403. Is keephb1403. Com. Veronica escobar [applause] the county judge of el paso county. Top electedhe official in 2011. Pacheco,ave gabby Program Director of a National College Scholarship Fund for called thed students dream. Us. Last april, she became the first undocumented latina to testify before congress. [applause] we also have with us jerry patterson, the texas land commissioner. Former state senator who helped the Texas Republican Party adopt a more moderate on immigration in its 2012 official party platform. We also have george rodriguez, coordinator of the tea party patriots. Cohosted a show on raging elephants. Became the first hispanic president of a major Tea Party Group when he headed tea party. Onio we also have with us congressman represents who Congressional District 33 in the representatives. He has been an outspoken supporter of comprehensive Immigration Reform. In 2013, he invited an undocumented immigrant from texas, one of the first undocumented students to pursue a Higher Education in texas, right here at ut austin, to be at president obamas state of the union address. Today will last 60 minutes and well include time for 15 to 20 minutes of the audience. Id like to ask everyone to phone. Silence your in june of 2001, texas became the first state in the country to adopt a law allowing paycumented students to instate tuition rates to attend public universities. Been efforts in the legislature to repeal this law of them haveut all failed so far. Conservative activists and lawmakers will try once more this coming legislative session to stop what has become known as dream act. The Texas Republican Partys calls for014 platform repealing the law. Nationally, meanwhile, reformensive immigration has stalled in washington, as dreamers and other advocates are anssing congress for overhaul that would create a formal path to citizenship for who came here as children. Dreamers have become an influential political voice, appearing on the cover of Time Magazine and playing a key role shaping immigration policy. Gabby, id like to start with you, if i could. Sure. Who are the dreamers, and how many are there in the United States . So there are about 2. 1 dreamers who came to the United States when they were children. Usually categorized as people who came to the United States before the age of 16. We have seen different d. R. E. A. M. Act legislation. Of the students do follow that criteria. These are students that have public schoolur systems. These are students that identify thatthe american culture, categorize themselves as americans, and they seek the able to oneto be day be able to get a green card years,efully, after five apply for citizenship. Askongressman, if i could you, youve theres a lot of dreamers out there for to get a path, a formal path to citizenship. Youve made some of the economic arguments. Economicsome of the arguments that you would make . I think some of the biggest oneomic arguments that could make is, you know, most of the dreamers are educated here in texas. And they have gone to our public schools. Taxes,arents have paid sales tax and other taxes, and here. E educated but, you know, people dont want to give them a path to citizenship so they can even be productive citizens in our society. And i just to me, that sense for usany not to want to do everything we talent come out of the shadows and even make the American Economy stronger. It just makes sense to give these dreamers chance. Dreamers evenese want to serve in the military an nationale to our security. Why not give them that opportunity, when they want to participate like everybody else else . Me get you to jump in here. Wrong with hb 1403 in texas . Get the skunk on the table and just ask the question. What part of the word illegal do you not understand . The problem weve got is illegal immigration. Here we go. To let me talk . The problem that weve got is illegal immigration. To only way were ever going stop illegal immigration is to magnates in the United States. This texas dream act is one of those. The other thing weve got to to stop apologizing for for beingervative, americans. And somehow feeling that we are orphanage fore the rest of the world. We cant do that. The reality is that we need to of this emotion, because everybody has got a sob everybody. There are billions of sob stories in the world about people who want to come to the United States. And thats understandable. We are the greatest country in the world. At what point do we say we control who comes in and who we have all why sorts of excuses, while we have allsorts of allowances, sorts of justifications, for what ageegardless of they came to the United States illegally, thats the problem. What weve got right now, you cannot enter a spurs game without a ticket. Cant enter a ut game without a ticket. Why is that different for entering the United States . Commissioner, can i ask you to jump in . Well, you know are georges views on the of the Republican Party or is it on the mainstream . All republican voters, i think and the term extreme was lets say far right. Lets dont say extreme. I think if you take all voters, considerablyight, to the right. Correction. If you take all voters im here. Ing myself all voters primary voters, hes in the middle. My point, id like to ask inrge, though, is we talk these, you know, all,andwhite first of theyre illegal but they didnt break any laws when they came here. Any kids . You have if you went to rob a bank and carried your sixyearold with you, would they be guilty of bank robbery . [applause] robbing a bank is still bank. G a its breaking the law. But the child didnt break the law when they got to be taken away, though. Heres an interesting no, no. What you are saying is that because i commit the crime, then is some reason, the child not responsible . But were thats exactly what im saying. [laughter] what were talking about here is not that type of a situation. Come int they have illegally. They did not. The child did not. They did child did not. The parents came in illegally. They were brought in as contraband. Youre saying youre the children were brought in illegally . Illegally. Here what part of that dont you understand . Ill grant you that. Ill grant you that. I grant you that their status is illegal, but those who were wereht here when they below the age of majority by their parents broke no law, so in other words, when i hear this so in other words when i hear this mantra. Innocent . re yes, they are. And were gonna leave them alone . I didnt say that, george. Finish. They are here illegally. They broke no laws. Distinction. If they are here illegally, i agree with you on that. They didnt break any laws coming here. Are we going to do about it . The real question is, what are do . Oing to and if to prevent any more from coming. A situation near el paso where a twoyearold child was sent out, just across the border. Are you going to keep that from happening anymore . You know, can you answer . What do we do . Them . We deport i would hey, until you the law as strong as possible, you are always going immigration. Al but my question is, the topic is dreamer, what do we do . Them . Deport i would say yes. Okay. There you have it. I would say yes, because the same argument that mark made a little while ago about how are for thehey United States, the same argument can be made about them going lands. Their native they can be beneficial to their home lands. Heres the point. I want to carry on that. Have boldly and i admire you for doing this. Boldly because im the only one that will speak this way. No. Yeah politicians are afraid. You have boldly taken a position. I admire you for doing so. Like people to stand up and have a belief system. Advocated that we deport the dreamers. Illegals, the other undocumented here . Until we deport everyone deportour position is we 12 Million People. Do you want to live in a country that has enough police power, in ruby of what happened at ruben ridge, in light of that. Ant jerry to repeat youre saying that the cops are bad . Im saying that too many cops are bad. Okay. All right. My local lawth in enforcement, in the dps, in the city. , in the i dont have as much faith in federal law enforcement, because ive seen what they do. A classic example. Can you talk about your own status and views and thoughts when george was talking about what to do with the dreamers . Currently i have a program called d. A. C. A. It allows me to be in the country with a lawful presence years. Its renewable. And in december, ill be renewing that. Was to be given a chance to get in line, which is another line that we usually hear, i would do it. I would gladly do it. I dont think anybody in the havery he doesnt not like living in fear. We do not like being afraid of calling the police when theres because were afraid theyre going to ask us for our documentation. Like not knowing that the uncertainty of whats going to happen to us not being able to contribute, not being able to 2010, thelone, in unauthorized were providing 1. 6 billion dollars in taxes. And today, when i was buying my lunch, the guy, nick, i didnt nick, im, hey, undocumented, please do not tax me. Thats just not a reality, right . We pay taxes. Were contributing members to the society. [applause] that one of the things thats really simple, if we talk about it, like george ticket. Ng, a right . But there are people that are standing in the line, that are saying, come in. Our people in businesses saying lets go. You know, we need more people to work here. And its this is not as simple as somebody having a ticket or not. The reality is that the United States has broken immigration laws. Reality is that there is a magnate and its called calledses and its politicians who do not want to fix this issue. Put it so simple when we know this issue is very yes, this issue creates a lot of emotions, because were not just talking about a number. Not talking about 1 Million People 12 million were talking about individual lives, mothers and fathers and workers, individuals a degree,f who have who is contributing, wants to be limitedre, but is because there is no system. Me to get away for green card. I got d. A. C. A. When i was given an opportunity to get some sort of status. But theres nothing else from that. For too long,t even i think the argument that george makes is an emotional one. A rational one that opens up for dialogue and opens up to have our elected ted cruz, whoe doesnt necessarily bring a solution. Deporting 12 Million People is not a solution. Were not going to be able to do it. We dont have the manpower. The dollars. And frankly, there are a lot of hiringwho are undocumented people that want to be able to have those people have legal status because they workforce theyd are. But they cant. Congressman, do you hear a of georges argument among the republicans in congress, or do you hear Something Different . I mean, there are certainly of congress i mean, the congressman from iowa, you a perfecte, hes example of someone that probably would line up in the blackt community . Heres what i would say about it. Say it. Isin the black community, that i think president obama has job in outstanding making sure that people come together and understand that an important issue, people of all races. As a matter of fact, there was a poll i saw earlier this year just how high Immigration Reform was as far as get a pass in the Africanamerican Community. It had overwhelming support in community. American i would say that the president has done a good job. And i think that, you know, as more people speak out about the importance of comprehensive and they seeeform what it does for the economy and mean, thereand i are, in a lot of the africanamerican communities, in fort worth that i represent, and around the state of texas, you know, the kids live and go to school there, you know, at dunbar high school, predominantly africanamerican high school. People are friends with one another. Many people in the Africanamerican Community have that areh neighbors undocumented for years now. Say that so i that. Disagree with you on but, yeah, there are members of Congress Absolutely that do take those extreme positions. George, were you saying that the black community would side this . He republicans on and you can deny it all you want. You want, because i have been informed where black residents have stood up and been issuevery angry about the of amnesty and open border. That when theact city of houston when harris preparing to open a undocumented minors in were blackty, there residents that were fit to be tied that called out Sheila Jackson lee on it. And that was on youtube. Im not sure why other than playing politics, and this is the problem with this whole issue, is youre playing than rather let me say this. I think that there is a lot of education that needs to go on. Again, the president has done a great job of bringing everybody together. Particularlys, because texas is a border state, people oftentimes think of this a latino issue. But guess what . If you go to new york city, the People Living in new york city undocumented, many of them look like me. Haveome of these kids that been coming over from central america, from honduras and thems like that, many of are black. Some of them are black. People arein, once educated on the issue and see how this is a global issue, that regiont just about one of the world, i think that many of the people that have tried to racial issue, a theyve only centered on mexico and central america, but this is global issue that is affecting many people around the country. And many of those are black as well. George, how hard is it going be to convince voters like george that we need to keep the texas d. R. E. A. M. Act, and it be repealed, at a time when there is this sort momentum to some of the arguments that george was how do you try to keep the law on the books . Right. Well, i think as a texas businessperson, i think my perspective is maybe a little bit different. Littled a business for a bit over 20 years. You know, ive met 600 payrollst and i understand the temperatur all of us in texas value, and i think the value is as a society, benefit by having more educated workforce, thatxi can max mys the potential, andna also, were spending, to educate the students, and so, to spend thatnd kind of investment, and then when you get to the college or university level, and let them not have the opportunity to contheir education, i think were losing out, on the potential, not just the individual potential but collective potential. And and i think, everybody wants ao piece of the pie, and theres a piece there, but, the more educated we are and, moresour we bigger pie. The reality of 1403 stems from, were talking about less than 1 of the students, and 80 are Junior College students, and were spending a lot of time and energy, and i think a lot is, because its an easy target, and this is not a voting population, and be bullied. Can you touch on that, about why spending so much energy, on an issue that affects less thani 1 . It is a mecca. The contemporary to what heen said, the immigration laws are not broken, theyre not beingey enforced. And theyre not broken. And thebr headaches, and i workd on it, myself, and i have seen, how businesses are not punished for hiring illegal aliens and they will come. Because they can work. T the other issue is, workers, the other issue is that we have to not only enforce the law, to stop it, and weve got to doo something about the welfare andr we have to do some welfare reform, and people are watchingn jerry springer, and working, and thats the headache that we goto lets focus on focus on these kids. These are the ones, in our all right. The headaches that we have,t in the issue of workers, is that, when we did a study in california, in 1985, to see how it would work to get illegal aliens, out of the field and, folks on welfare, and we found f that the comparison, of somebods on, receiving benefits, and somebody out there working was almost the same. Theyre not dumb, why get outut there, in the sun, and you can l get welfare. Okay, the poiments is, thati we have these children, that are in the schools. And these are kids that have grown uper here, and theyve goe through the adversity, to complete their education. And a lot of them, are working,p and a lot of them are community leaders, and so, what gets twisted, about 1403 its about taking someones seat in that c classroom. So and, 1403 is on finance. They have gone through admission, and theyve beenents accepted. N and 1403 is whether they payeyr instate or outofstate. So these are texas residents,. You b asked me to complete. Theyre illegal. O co [applause] so, the argument that weear hear about repealing it, is they are taking things away fromrgum students, and thats an admission issue. In so, these are students that are paying an additional price, because their requirement for their being able to be in state s. A 3year requirement, instead of one year. And the requirements is toughera for them to meet. Em t so, i think, for us to turn our backs on these students, who have been raised here, and to turn around and tell them that they dont have the opportunities, i came as a immigrant from cuba, and id i achieved the 578 ann dream. And im going to try to help as many people as he can, and thisp is why, on the panel, andn starting, to keep, to help these other students that need that helping hand. [applause] you know, you and i had a conversation, and it is pretty remarkable, that we having this conversation, when you look at texas, like gabby, and you want and these are the very young leaders, that make our communitn strong, that make our system strong, and country strong. And the fact that we are talkina about what to do with the dream mers, is stunning, and its unfortunate, in our state, westt keep going backwards, and we dont take the long view forward. Excuse me, sir. We rarely have the longd view, and when you think about the longterm, you want talented workforce. And when youre saying that people like gabby, should be deported. And where i will agree withment george, when you, at that time, emotion out of the argument, theres no reason why we should gold down this path. The more money that we invest it deportation, or boots on thepu ground, that try to create a crisis, its not just a waste of taxpayer resources, and were putting a strain on the very competitive state. E and progress. And so, i think, part of what w need, is more what we saw, exciting dramas, where thess commissioner, put back, that is trying to pull the state backwards. Yeah, ive been trying to say, i agree with the points,ore and im sure we agree, and i wi disdegree, we have a crisis at the border, and terrorism. Its not just immigration, and the usual issues that it used o be and northern border, and comes in with commercial airlines, that is brought. But what george says, that we have, nothing wrong with the immigration system, thats bizarre. The maximum number of immigrants, that are allowed,ry from ice land is the same that 125 million and ice land, 350,000. How is that a system that you can defend . Cant. Its not a system. It is broken, and it doesnt. Serve our needs. Let we have, the immigration system should be that which serves ourd needs, in this country. No other country. If it happens to benefit them thats fine. And benefit us first and theed honesty thats lacking on both sides, when you say, and i saw this, we have four candidates, and not one of them supports deportation. I know of no republican,ro that supports deportation, it is a fact, and they are here and, we need to desport, the criminals, and but to say well hold it, against people, is dishonest because it aint happening. And 1403, is an economic deal. Tt and enstate, and theyll be able to pay regular tuition. We got to figure out what we do and, how we fix it. As i was in if the marine corp and i served with young marines, who were illegals, and they should have a right to stay in this country. Military service is a pathway to legal status. No, i dont. Co you wrote that. I have a copy, and military service is, can only serve an certain number. I support them doing something, to make their status legal. Y. The problem, again, isai illegal immigration, well a always have it, while we have madness. And i dont disagree what do we do with the 12 million that are here . Enforce the law. [applause] if we deport her and he also, there was no employment. Meant. People who are in extreme poverty, usually home. Itge is courageous. And my parents left hin everything. Family, a home, and everything. But they did it because they loved their children so much, and they wanted to give us a future. Thats right. Let me finish, we came to. The United States did you do to the wrong way . Came with a legal visa. So why are you illegal . Because our system is working. You broke the law. We overstayed the visa. You have broken the law. If thats the definition oft illegal, who is not documented. We have all broken the law. Are clearly hanging ontoclea the most emotional part of the talking about it, illegal. I just want to say, on the education part, so, the dream that you asked is the dream mers and we have, from the. Priv families in the United States, that are part of this, and have given, we have 33. 5 million in the fund, and it is growing. And the Scholarship Program is giving opportunities forere dreamers, and many in texas and in dallas, and houston, and we do that because we understand the power of education. It is said that people who go to college are most likely 80 more to given to taxes, and also, for people who are, majority of thei immigrants, 36,000 is their average income. If you dont give them the s opportunity to pay enstate, thea would have to pay 20,000. Andno no family could afford th the argues for the education part are there. And i dont think that anybodyes that loves their country, would be against anybody that has the heart and desire to serve in the military or go to college can be against somebody, wanting to fulfill that dream. Commissioner, the Republican Party, calls for the repeal of. R the texas remain,. I think, the dream act, is a symbol. Its a not substantive. Ba heres the problem,. Texas had to do something and, they did something. Problem is on a federal level. The congress, and its not going toe happen, as long as obama is president , and its not going to happen. It needs to fix it on a federal level, where there is a method for those who are illegal, and did not break ouro laws, to obtain a legal status. Military status, and thats not available for everybody. There needs to be a method. They wont have to worry about a legislature passing an instate tuition bill. R would you want to see iton stay on the books . For the mere symbolism of o it. Our head is in the sand, well repeal 1403 and then the question that follows, what do o you do with those that are here . You can have all these things, and lines in the sand, and until you say, this is what were going to do, with the people, you are just arguing. It makes no difference. It is gutless. You need to talk about what are we going to do with those here, and amnesty youre in favor of. A conference on immigration bill has passed, and it passedve the senate, and we can pass oneo in the house, and it will go toe the desk, and i have a good feeling that he will sign it. Boner will not allow it. Pr again, the primary, you saw the ads, during the race, where they were using language likes invasions, and things like that. And until the more extreme elements like the Tea Party Gets out of the taking over the primarities, and well have thin problem. And they decided they were not going to do any immigration thats the problem. Thats not going to happen. Were not ready, and the other thing, you know, our congress, is afraid. All polytitions are afraid. And the rhetoric was focused ont border security. A nation that cannot scour its borders are not secure. N. Thats hard to listen to. Ac you think were clear, were moving forward, and are we going to go go backwards, and reduce education for teachers, and thed dreamers, to have an opportunity to get at college education. Thats the clear difference in the race. I think, whether we move forwarr or backwards. There was no policy t difference, on the program, all four were in favor of it. And all oppose the deportation, and the perception informs line, with what george is saying. Perception carries the day. It is public record. George, how focused is the tea party on repealing it. R very, we are very, very adamant, and contrary to what everybody believes, we represent the majority of what the American People want. Not latinos and plaques, and the American People want. And thats to just illustrate here, why hes wrong on that. Again. [applause] overwhelmingly passed, in the senate. And well passed the 60 votes needed to break the filibuster. If there was a conference ofgr immigration, on the house floor, it would pass. John boehner wont let it on the floor. If you look at all the polls and business leaders, and American People, believe, that we w should have Immigration Reform. I dont agree, that theyre theam mainstream and, most peope would agree, and we have freedom of speech. He has the right to express his opinion. Ls invasion, and things like that,a and you dont correct people, like the tea party. Then youre going to be put in that same category. And to me thats proper. If you ask people across the board, do you believe in amnesty, youll get at lot havet nos. If you ask them, do you believe in securing the border, you gett yes. And details, is where i think, i spoke to a lot of hostile crowds, and i had them on my side because i went into details, and i didnt stop, twoc words. Our Current Systemnc encourages, more illegal immigration,. People would come here andss work and go home to their families. Difficult. They want to bringny their family here. Th a so, our Current System encourage, more, and until weav have a guest worker, and where the guys that working in there restaurant, and doing dry wall. And were going to continue to have it. I want my immigration, behind,bo and i want them chasing, traffickers and, thats what we need to do. T we why have so many texas Republican Leaders been, afraid have coming out strongly, and agreeing with you, and a sayingl we need to keep it on the books or not . Its fear. Universities too much of this and not enough of this. And frankly, its also, i lost badly, and if i had had sufficient funds, it would have been a different story. If you talk to them, and dont just say it, they will follow. G we keep revisiting these old issues, when texas passed the dream act, they had bipartisan support. And governor perry signed into law. And here we are, years later, moving backwards, and same thing with the border issues. And keep having to find someplace, some group to k demonize. And make it seem like im going to fight for you. Eq and its the border, and immigrants, and so, it will take, i think, a lot more debata to say, we have to keep we have to stop going backwards. The democrats are the problem. I would say both. They say its not a an hispanic problem. The democrats . Did i say that . Its a economic issue. A and this will be the 1403, would apply to anyone. Not just hispanics, and ability to come and, achieve the dream after education, so they can better the lives and society, its in the an hispanic issue. Canadians, and talking aboub french. It doesnt matter, its the the ability to have someone enjoy that american dream. These kids are being excluded te because they dont have a piece of paper that they couldnt get. You know the term, go back,t and get in line, and do itt people cutting in line. Righ if there were a line, in your country of origin, would you get in it . Ask yes. Ts thats the point. There is no line. If you go back to the country, theres no n line, because immigration, has not does not allow it. Am, theres the thing thats called advance for all, and you can leave the country, and come back in, without being subject to the bar and be careful, because we dont know yet. Be but a lot of students, that havi visas, have bun able to ask for it, and go back home, and come back with green cards. People that have been married, and so there are 4 million fou people that could get a legalw e status, but they cant, because ofec laws, that were put in pla, and 3 and ten year bar, and, people are willing to doit whatever it takes, if it is going back to their home country, and get a gren card. About going backwards, ikwar believe, in this usual, we are going to go backward, and texas was the first state to do instate tuition. And i think that texas should bt very proud. B because they led the nation. They saw that they had an issue, and a lot of latinos, and i think thats why, when its talked about, thats who we talu about. But a lot of young people were dropping out of high school. And they turned 16, and they said i cant go to college and, why couldnt. And ill go to work. Well, 1403 changed that and has allowed for hundreds, and thousands of students to be able to go to school. Less than 1 , and it is helpings people. Theres a student, that iec saw, in washington, dc and, shen has her masters, and shes washington, dc, doing a residency. And going out, and fulfilling her dream, and also, the contributing to the society. And help and support. Since 2001, we have 21 states that have passed it. Egis and just last year, we have had florida, and the gov enter,to realized i need did something about it. At serious about immigration. He went behind it, and the people that submitted were boths republicans, and so, some are realizing, that being against like instate tuition, it will hurt their party. Hu the majority of the population is for it. New jersey and virginia, and maryland did it. And the states continue to add. Its a good thing if they getgo the opportunity to go to school. Thank you. Ill open it up to questions w and, were getting towards that time. And there should be a microphonf there. If you can address your question, to the whole panel or someone specific. I would like to ask my question, address my question to representative excuse me, mr. Rodriguez. And you would like to take the possibility of deportation, off the table. Because thats not ait possibility. And i would like to ask you, why is it okay, if it is repealed, and these students, may have toe pay more, why is it okay for them to pay that money, and taxes, why is it okay for the money. Yes. In the forms of sales tax. Ul and they have to pay something. Theyed in to pay something. It is beyond absurd. This isnt rational. Its okay for them to payout of state but not not okay to pay in state. They are not residents. St what dont you understand . They are not residents. Are texas. Okay. They pay city and county. St it doesnt matter okay. Thats my definition. If thats okay ive been here for more than 3 years,. Thats wrong. G allen right, lets get thees next question here. Hi, journalist, and from texas, and, mr. Rodriguez, wonderful last name. How does dromers helping this country, give knee threey examples. Theyre not hurting thenot e country. Theyjust here illegally. And the problem is, illegal immigration. They are here, because somebody brought them in, illegally. Get back in line and, come in theth legal way. Theres a right and wrong way. Stand in line. My question for gabby, if you go to dual citizenship, whab woulde be the first thing that you would do for this country . Important to me, its funny, i dream of serving on a jury. Because i feel thats ad responsibility, and i cringee when people get out of it. Thec call in sick. I think another thing, that i would never take for granted is voting. And one of the reasons why, we are where were at. T not a lot of people vote. And not just in primaries and also during midterm elections. Y and think that the other think that i really want to do is show politicians, what it is to be ap true public servant. I hope to have the opportunity to serve my nation, and my community by becoming an. Public servant. [applause] thank you. Ry i have a . Question, twopart question for rodriguez, and he made several statements at the beginning of the debait. That i would like to correct about it. And he said apologize for being an american, andme conservative. You cant label it just arv conservative. Were allk americans, and thers black, and native, and white, and will a ten no. First ofnot all, that creatings sort of immigration, being a magnet to attract people is incorrect. E he people will come here,is because this is a great country, the United States, is number 17, and has a bad healthcare, and so, i would like to, before you speak, to say things that my question is that, why wont conservatives, embrace what it means to be american, andrican, participate in a solution, that brings to this problem. That opens ourself to the world. And i think it is silly to think, that were just going to close the door. Thats something that has happen. I want to know why, the conservative wont have a debate, for a solution. George. Im not sure, what youre really talking about, in the sense that were hijacking anything. You said that wait a minute. Minute. Wait a minute. The solution that we see, first of all, the first step has to be to secure the border, and to enforce the law. No, it is not. Tho i thought you wanted my response. It is not happening. Ne you cant say that you have seen it. You cant claim evidence. Eol lets get some other questions. E is ill save you all 23 years of my family history, and ibene benefited from 1403, and i have been here since i was fouryearsold, and im 23, and i graduate he, this past may, d the only reason i was able to attend it, is because, of unstate tuition for undocumented immigrants. [applause] the panel called what to do with dream mers . Let us use our degrees, and let us give back to theiv communities, and love, and givep me a chance to stop fighting for instate tuition. En i have been doing this, lobt whiching at the capital, and m making sure that students, arent robbed of our right to an education. And i hate that we waste so much time lob whiching the halls of p the capital, and we could be focusing on getting licenses for our parents and, guaranteeing them job security, and like let us focus on things, that matter. Stop going backwards, and i want to know, is anyone s no. Imno saying allow us to gie back to our community. Question. Letst say that we did go ahead and say, lets give amnesty to the dreamers, and what about tht thousands ofho kids, or the millions that want to come w across, or brought across, inro the future . What do we do with them . Good. Q. I wish it is put to congress congress. Its up to us. Well they need to vote. Well, u. S. Government, it is congress, who writes the law. Ht. Right. Law the people are telling them weem need maple grations reform. American means being a nation of immigrants, and wewe cannot try to hide the sun, ands think that this issue is ever going to be resolved. Were lying to ourselves. K th if we build these huge walls, in the southern and northerngo border, that thats going to fig end. We need to figure out how to h reduce the fact that we have 11n million, and we need to realizet there are people gaining fromope the fact that there are people who are not here, without a legal status. Aa lot of those people include, president baraka obama, john boehner, and politics, who use it to throw it backandforth. And thats just the reality. Well, again, what i would thinks that we have a problem, then i would like for him to call john boehner, and ask him to put hes not my congressman. You have tea party influence hes the speakerofthehouse. And ask him to put a bill on the floor. We have asked we have a broke then system. We have asked the president , your president no has not chosen to do anything to enforce the laws, and protect the borders. And again, you should call your speakerofthehouse. He s no. What we need is, enforcement of the border, and it sounds border and, we do business with mexico, and have
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