There is an opportunity to share a personal addition of an additional prize. For additional information, visit the website at studentcam. Org. Next, a discussion on stability and University Campuses with James Madison. They also touch on intellectual diversity, responding to harmful speech. John, long time president of James Madison university in virginia and lori lite, president of the university an enemy indiana. Just to level the audience, most of the folks watching me be aware questions of freedom of expression on campus for a while, the survey able to speak honestly in classrooms or campuses they feel they need to censor themselves when engaging with students. We have heard faculty from across the country expressed concerns about restrictions and scholarship and we have heard those concerns for a long time yesterday the American Association issued a report attacking these issues in florida. We got a lot of concerns with the canvassers or places where we can have honest conversations. Also more recently especially since the attack on israel in early october, we have seen concern on campus, social media students being bullied, jewish students harassed seemingly with impunity. This led to a high profile earlier this week when president of the nation most famous situation of Higher Learning harvard, mit testified for five hours antisemitism on campus. Its been extraordinary conversation about hearing and one thing most prominent is a sense of double standard. The campuses engaged in stifling and restricting with the broader orientation of faculty of free speech when its come to language interpreted as antisemitic. Lets talk about this, i dont want to put you in a position studio analysis, i want to ask all of you have fair some of the criticisms concerns and lets start with that. Thanks for this conversation. I would say citizens of scholars working with a number of institutions, we are struggling with two sets of complicated issues. One is trying to figure out the line between expression and intimidation, harassment and violence, how we figure that out and it looks different at different campuses in trying to figure out the length its difficult. Second, what is this consistent application modeling of debate and dialogue looks like on campus and how we ensure its done well in all those communities to do that effectively in both of those are really challenging in this moment and yesterday was one example of a. The institute persistence process launched an action, is that right . You got 14 remote lori and don are two of them and i want to talk about what it involves and how you are doing that but this is something i know you as part of the community of leaders have been wrestling with for the better part of a couple of years, are you thinking about what we are seeing and how do we start understanding the challenges looks. Lets start by being clear that antisemitism, his homophobia, racism, harassment against an individual because of the activities that hold and no place on College Campuses. We all agree with those values. Id like to in response to your question talking how i have come to view vertical issues and freedom of expression on campus and part of this is an scholars and other College President s. I grew up in San Francisco, california wonderfully diverse multireligious, multiracial, multiethnic neighborhood. I thought the whole world was like my neighborhood in San Francisco until he went away to college and realized it was not. Sadly we are in a society that is segregated by race, ethnicity, economics, religion and one of the first places are students see differences on College Campuses so its no wonder there are challenges that come back to those points i made. An undergraduate on the tail end and they were really there. I was there a little after so i do remember what what i most remember are the principles of free speech and if you think about what was happening in the 1960s, it was about the speech of young people, advocate against the vietnam war, advocate for the Civil Rights Movement and administrators try to find out ways for free speech for students. Third, as ive worked in Higher Education, one thing i have observed is that we are not giving students the tools to be able to engage in debate and discussion and if we cant figure out a strategy to help students develop the tools to be able to engage in this type of dialogue that they dont see many adults will go for them in one of the principles of Higher Education . I will stop there and im sure my colleague, john wants to jump in and there are a couple of values to mental and Higher Education, one is the importance of freedom of speech, academically under the Educational Mission so the name for the constitution is something to us in terms of our dna and we talked about will termination, how you balance those things. Some of your biographies. My training and background, i have worked previously in my career at the American Association of University Professors which shows deeply Academic Freedom and Higher Education for students and also the u. S. Department of Education Office for civil rights which is discrimination centered in Higher Education so an interesting career to think about that and how they come together and how to draw coastlines. False, everybody favors free speech as long as they agree with that but the challenge is when you get close to the lines what controversial and hard. Second, its important to remember in Higher Education we should expect there will be controversial speech. Our mission by definition is bringing diverse perspectives together to be shared, debated and discussed and have developed those muscles to do this well in community with each other to create a learning environment in which everybody can participate and be heard. Look up the same results were the students said they were afraid to speak up and it wasnt because of faculty, it was we were afraid of offending students. Reserve the thanksgiving table discussion. Dont bring up politics and religion to your relatives. Its something we took to heart and part of the reason we joined was we got we need to work on these muscles with students to help understand the want you to be able to debate and disagree and hear different points of view you might not agree with but learn from and with each other how do you do that . That is the hard work we are engaged with working on that. This crucial tension youve all alluded to in different ways between exploring ideas and crucial debates at the same time respecting the community and ensuring it is welcoming to everybody. One of the things prominent in the conversation this week is the sense, the sense that there is a double standard and how many colleges addressed it. They have seen the aftermath of the killing of george floyd when it has come to issues like raised base omission, they are clear they think one side is right and use stability as a rationale for voice who disagree and it feels like in this most recent Development Following hamas attack on israel campuses say no no no, we cant possibly constrain or take a stance, we need to let rallies play out even if they feel threatening or intimidating or involve actual social media accounts of students being bullied. Is there anything reasonable about them in your mind or are these political attacks school . The way i like to respond is our principles of freedom of expression say two important things. They really reinforce liberal Arts Institution we were about to exchange of an idea and we want members of our community to discuss, debate, review and research, engage in conversation about ideas as part of our obligation to gradually. Supported, they belong to the institution the fact that i grew up in this multicultural environment in San Francisco, the reason i said that is because in my great multicultural network, we dont always agree on things. We are richer because we dont but when we disagree, they are not personal attacks so if you create a campus environment for members of Campus Communities feel supported, welcomed and affirmed, we can have Difficult Conversations that dont devolve into personal attacks. My campus students have been leading the way, jewish students and i think its because we have this commitment to principles of community that allow rich discussions on campus to occur. A couple of additional thoughts on that, i do think we are a microcosm of society and there are a lot of cost pressures played out on College Campuses. Many students think its okay to cancel speech of others with whom they disagree. We see a consumer mentality where this idea the customer is always right, students that say im coming here and my beliefs and opinions should be reinforced, i had a students a couple of years ago say to me they didnt want to get messages or have to read things they disagree with on particular topics. If you are not having that experience, you should ask for your money back because that is what should be happening in Higher Education so double standard, when i was at the office for civil rights, when we use the hard case to determine that line between protected speech versus something that is to conduct constitutes harassment or discrimination is the descriptive site okay, heres the speech or conduct at issue and it might be directed at this particular group. The descriptive and imagine a Different Group you might consider at the opposite end of the political spectrum or Something Like that. What findings would you make there . Is an exercise we did and our society has become so polarized we tend to demonize and vilify people with whom we disagree raven understand Higher Education, this marketplace of ideas is what we should be having not a bad thing. James madison wrote about this, they are going to be actions in society with different points of view so i call it muscles but how do you help students figure out how to engage constructively in civil discourse . Is a skill that can be taught and learned. Madison wrote federal, one of the most profound you sent the last few years trying to support and work with we just send a note to comes up. It is a reasonable concern, it is messy. All kinds of humans trying to work through these issues. I went to college and so on and so forth and pushing and pulling, thats what happens at colleges. Its messy and you will have times where things go offkilter and effective in back, that happens so part of the reason i was so excited about the overarching work and noticing there are many institutions blocking and trying to do the work well, try to get people while working through this. He just how to do this and one thing tried to figure out how so yes, you are seeing examples but we also see tons of examples and institutions who want to get it. One of the many sources of frustration is nobody seems to have a way forward, one of the criticisms, a dozen times was what either seems to be stained for members of congress or a sense that we are already doing the best we can. A lot of us this the best we can, we got a real problem so when you talked about the campus, freedom of expression and 15 plus universities leaders working on, what does it entail . What is the call for and how is this going to work . Great question. This work started with a broader motivation. When we have this conversation three years ago, i was seen in conversation from a wide array of institutions, a recognition of two things. One is higher ed lost its way in terms of sensory Citizen Development as part of core mission and we need to do that again. Related to that was this notion the pendulum is swinging too far in terms of higher ed seen as a private good. I pay tuition and get a degree and the skills to get a job, very important great Higher Education colleges and universities have a public good and responsibility. A significant portion is how we go about developing citizens and function effectively and be engaged in society so we needed the pendulum to swing back. The second notion we see is they were in an almost untenable position to take this on. Coming from students, faculty and administration, policy makers, it was so difficult it was hard to move forward and there would be strength in numbers so that is what led us to what was initially civic preparedness. When we decided it was time to go public in january of this year and focus on two or three major projects, the first one we said publicly quest campus call for freedom of expression say we are recognizing you can see the principles of expression they have coalesced around, who want to do it together, demonstrate examples for others, ask others to join us in this journey and recognize this is difficult and there is strength in numbers and moving forward in a path to join about what the motivation and we are lucky to have people like john and lloyd part of this work. Do you want to talk about what it means . The ball heard people say this stuff 20 of times so what are you doing to put peace in this . A couple thoughts James Madison university, one of the things we learned was Civics Education meets roundabouts in this country. Science and math are really important but need to focus on education. Jm you as part of the general Education Program we have a requirement, the American Experience that focuses on understanding americas government, Political Institution and values like freedom of speech and where they come from because students have grown up in the polls that show a large number of students that the democracy isnt necessarily the most important thing so theres a lot of work we have to do with our students. At jm you we talk about what we could do in terms of providing something for all of our students, not just some. We have lots of questions with debate but what are you doing for students in science and across . The first think we have done for us we had a question during orientation for all incoming students and transfer students to talk about the importance of freedom of expression said it was shot before students could respond to questions and realtime and seeks reaction across the entire group of students. Next year were going to try to rise that higher and have facilitated discussions because we want students leading these conversations and develop that responsibility that comes with that. Then we have what we call ambassadors, student democracy the lohse work with the curriculum and also with student organizations can incorporate these values across the curriculum. We have a policy summit or students to come to intimate policy issues of the day to come up with solutions on diverse teams and present them to legislatures and policymakers and that is the example of taking the values out like Political Science or philosophy and history. Academic the permit and units across the entire university so we are working with faculty and students to build these muscles think about debating issues of our time. The citizens president ial group and we learn from one another and Exchange Ideas some of the work weve been doing is similar to what john described and there are things we are doing that are also different. Similar to john, we have a module during orientation which introduced students to the principles and freedom of expression, adults when we talk about freedom of speech freedom of expression, young people dont quite know what that means so starting to educate them as first your students, what it means in the context of Higher Education. I also joined in classrooms, how do you do that . We do it when students arrive on campus all of our students go through a series together and faculty so we could talk about the volume of freedom of expression only here on my campus lacrosse all colleges and universities in indiana bringing students across the state and they can do what you described freedom of expression and civic ambassadors and participating in conversations like this and continue to reinforce the value to graduating young people we know are important to furthering democracy. Let me give you to your earlier question, a couple of ways in which specifically strength in numbers to address these issues. One of the president institutions in addition also said we need to bring faculty and from 18 institutions how to bring contentious issues and develop schools and transfer the skills to students, it is a pilot friday half faculty member great goes into classes. One interesting thing is different in terms of discipline, social sciences and 20 them so an Interesting Group of faculty, there was a pilot weekend because they say its all going together and see where we can go with this. Similarly we need to able to understand how we capture the effectiveness of this work, where are we measuring this work in other ways in which we can create a community to measure this Work Together . We have a whole class of work around measurement on Higher Education campuses around these issues. The comes from being able to have this in we are talking about a couple things the training faculty, i know us as ive taught, i asked to help practice what i preach so they came in and taught our students the art of working in teams and students to pick which side of the debate they were on. It turns out i was valuable and the personal