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Joining us now to discuss this issue is Michael Noonan, a veteran of Operation Iraqi freedom and direct your of the program of National Security at the Foreign PolicyResearch Institute. What are some of the ways the civilianmilitary divide sort of manifest itself in the ways that people can see what were talking about here . Guest i mean, first of all, we have to nuke there is always going to be some form of Civil Military divide. One people join the military, when people join the military, they are in cultivated into the way the military does things out of necessity. To be able to react to orders and do things most normal people probably would not do. Like the marine corp. Commercial, moved to the sound of guns. There is going to be some form of divide between the military and civil society. However, there are ways that kind of exacerbate those of us, particularly postservice. Phil carter and the tenant general david from center for mayor ken security, for instance, had a piece in the Washington Post where they talk about the divide and how the military actually contribute to it by things like living on the bases that since 9 11 have been closed down to the public. They have their own school systems. They are gated communities, basically. And among some because we do have an all voluntary military, there is a feeling among some that perhaps they are better than the civilian society that they defend, so those are just sort of some of the manifestations of the Civil Military divide. Host when did this start . When did people like yourself by start writing about this and talking more about it . Guest it started in the 1990s really. There were two studies came up. One, a consortium between Duke University and the university of North Carolina chapel hill and North Carolina state, and the center for strategic and International Studies did a big study around 97 or 1998 talking about the culture and what differentiated the views and attitudes of the sort of Civil Military divide. Some people thought it was kind of a byproduct of the clinton administration, how you had a president who chose not to serve in vietnam and peoplesoft is asand people saw this perhaps as a partisan issue and were looking at things like political identification people saw this perhaps as a partisan issue. At the time it skewed heavily conservative not necessarily republican but a more conservative worldview than civil society. Some people thought that this was going to change when president george w. Bush took office, but it really didnt. As we saw with the iraqi and afghanistan wars, certain segments of the military itself found certain aspects of these wars to be kind of unpopular. So it is really sort of a post cold war manifestation tied up with since the end of the draft, you move to an all volunteer force. Certain people feel that sense since of volunteered, they are serving on behalf of society and certain segments have felt some time to time that they are sort of unappreciated. Host we are talking about the civilmilitary divide with Michael Noonan from the policy Research Institute. We want to hear your thoughts. With a special line, again, for veterans on the subject. We want to hear from you on this veterans day. 2025853883. All others host mr. Noonan, while folk are calling, talk about the technology. Some people who have written about the subject have said technology has further widened the gap. Guest i think it has both the widened and narrowed the gap. For instance, when i was in iraq, i had access to email and i lived in a small fort with the iraqi army and one of the units before is installed a commercial internet line. So, i got literally come back from a patrol going out with our iraqi battalion an email or call my wife on the phone, which previous generations did not have the opportunity to do. It was kind of instant communication. I think that could be both a blessing and a curse sometimes, because it could take away some of the distance there. In one sense, it kind of connection you but in the other it kind of you but in the other sense, if he had a bad day it is really not that great to have instantaneous access to people. And when you Drone Operators working in a place like the air force base in nevada, actually conducting end of combat operations using remotely piloted aircraft. And they can take out military targets on the ground and then kind of go home and go to soccer practice for the kids and have dinner that night. So that is kind of that some people degrade their service, but on the other hand, it is kind of an unenviable position for them to be in. Host Michael Noonan from the Foreign PolicyResearch Institute. Served in iraq in 20062007. Correct . And where did you serve . Guest in western ninevah province, up in the northwest corner of the country not far from syria. It was an interesting part of a rack. Iraq heavily kurdish, turk interesting part of iraq. Sunni arab but there were a lot of foreign fighters coming from syria causing a lot of problems. A very interesting and unique place to serve. I am sorry, go ahead. No, i was about to say we were actually able to go back into the kurdish part of the country. That really is the otheriraq. The other iraq much different than serving down in baghdad but in our area of operations where we were stationed you certainly would not go out like that. Host Michael Noonan with your questions and comments. Mary from Fort Washington on our line for democrats. Good morning. Caller good morning. Thank you for taking this call. I am and ask military brat from the 1960s in the 1970s. I was a military brat until i was 22. I think the civilianmilitary divide is far less today than it was back in those age. Those days. We do live very sheltered. When you are in the military, you have the best px, the postage change, the store, for lehman la yman. Laymen. Still today, if you want to go to a real Grocery Store you go to a military base. Because of the wars, extra divide in that sense. Civilian armada are not allowed to go on the military base as they used to, so they are going to feel that divide. But as far as emotional divide, i feel that military families are more openminded because you have more access to the world. So, we try to close that divide as often as we can but every time we have a war, we shut down and closed the gates down, a get wider and it is back and forth. My opinion. Thank you. Host Michael Noonan . Your thoughts. Guest your caller makes excellent points. My generation of veterans experienced nothing like the people who served in vietnam and came back and were kind of really treated poorly by society. Even a society that has the troubles with the post9 11 wars at least thankfully have made the distinction that the people that serve are not responsible for serving there, that there is kind of this divide between politics and the soldiers. I think that is a great thing. On the other hand, i think it is almost too much sometimes. When i came back from leave from iraq, it was hartsfield airport in atlanta and just eruptions of applause, not a plane coming off the airplane made you feel self conference and there is a very selfconscious, and and awe a deference sometimes that makes many veterans of my current generation of little bit uncomfortable. Host you brought up the Washington Post piece from yesterday on the issue. Who is responsible for this divide . That piece points out the u. S. Military, the way that they howl as activeduty members that they house activeduty members of the military could be part of the problem here. It notes that u. S. Military bases are some of the most exclusive gated communities. More than a third live on base as with many more living just outside the wire host Michael Noonan, who do you think is sort of more at fault in creating a sort of divide . Is it an equal share between civilians and the military . Or is one side more at fault . Guest on that issue, certainly post9 11, there was a feeling and a justified one, that there was an increased threat to military bases. So, some of the Family Housing areas are not the traditional areas. They are not as restrictive interface is as their they are in other places. On the one hand, there was probably a good reason to lock down some of the bases. You have things like fort dix six, bosniacs and others gaming who came to the United States and talked about an attack on fort dix. There was chatter that said these places might be prone for attack, but we probably took it too far. And we might want to think about starting to kind of throttle back on some of that. But one of the bigger problems is that, you know, the military in particular the army have these big megabases who are not traditionally big urban heavily populated areas. There is some rationale. We have to have access to training areas, ranges, and other things. And the cost of living and other expenses that you would have to pay if you had a place lets say, for instance, for hamilton in brooklyn. Fort hamilton in brooklyn. If you were going to put a lot of activeduty activeduty troops there, it would be expensive. So the services have kind of factored in some of these costs. That is not to say that maybe theres a call to sort of put some of these activeduty places in the northeast and other places. The northeast right now, there is really only one big army base, fort drum in northern, norm or northern new york. There is not a lot of contact with activeduty military people. On the other hand, there are guard and reserve units all over the place. Downtown, the big armory in manhattan, for instance, does show sort of a military base to military face to the public. It is not as much is probably they used to be. Host in their piece on that topic, they write host on twitter a viewer right in on the subject that the divide is that the military lives with sacrifice daily while many others today expect things given them for free. We are taking a tweets and calls. John from rio rancho, new mexico, on our line for democrats. Caller happy veterans day. For all you guys have done for the country. I would like to just think you to thank you for that. I think is so shellpolitical the socialclinical divide, divide,ocialpolitical but it is not the military, but definitely between the the classes with the wealth divide between the rich and the poor. In new mexico, we see the soldiers as friends, and other people we know and there is really no divide between the civilians in the soldiers, because we have so many soldiers around, and we are thankful for them. But i think there is a huge geopolitical divide. What happened with world war ii is all the Technology Information in there somewhere but a lot of gray area. We want to feel like we are the good guys but in these wars in the middle east, we blame the politicians mostly because the people dont feel like we were the good guys in these wars. But we do not blame the soldier. Thank you. Host Michael Noonan . Guest yeah, theres is there an economic is economics contributing to that divide . Host is economics contributing to the divide . Guest the pay is not that bad, with allowances and other things. I guess the call is probably down the row where fort bliss is or some of the air force bases there, the there is a heavy military presence in new mexico and that aligns with what phil carter in generalbarnow talked about yesterday with open space. I would not want to speculate on the sociocultural so shell sociopolitical political argument the caller was arguing about. Host lets talk about fixing the divide going forward. What are your suggestions for narrowing that divide . Guest well, i wrote a piece back on memorial day where i was talking about it was open u. S. News world report one of the elements of the Civil Military divide, a conflagration of veterans day today, supposed a conflation of veterans day be a, which is supposed to celebration of veterans for their service and patriotism and sacrifices, and memorial day, which is about those who made the ultimate sacrifice. And they are very different days. If you have known anybody who has passed away, memorial day is a very somber event. It is not just about going down to the beach for the weekend. There are a few ways that you can sort of narrow the gap a bit. One way would be for military and others to accept that there are other forms of service out there. Things like teachers and Municipal Workers and others who are actually serving their community. True, it is not foot of the it is not the unlimited liability sense of service that the military does, and in certain cases, police and firemen do. But we need to expand the concept of service. And accept that not everyone has to be in the military. One of the issue is that issues is that less than one percent of the population has served in these wars in iraq and afghanistan and other places around the world since 9 11. I think phil and general barnow puts the number at 2. 6 Million People out of a population of over 300 Million People. So it is a very small percentage of the people. We need to accept that, yes, we do volunteer. Service is about serving. It is not about just sort of a lifetime of benefits afterwards. Now, fellow veterans who have been injured, both physically and mentally, obviously the government needs to keep faith with those veterans and make whole the promises they made to them. On the other hand, veterans have the obligation there was an interesting piece yesterday that where the author talked about his experience. Infantrymen veteran of iraq and he is a student at Georgetown University and he talked about how after the first few years going to school there, he had this chip on his shoulder about being a veteran. Then he came to the realization that he will both have it easier and harder in a sense man some former some of his classmates who have not served. The post Second World War generation and others, when they came back from their service, they saw it as just one part of their lives. Not something that needed to define the rest of their lives did so they went out and did things in their community. There are other forms of service. There are other organizations the mission continues, and others, its really tries to bridge the divide working with civic and business organizations around the country tapping into veterans to make their communities better places to live in an too continues to serve. Host Michael Noonan, program on National Security director at the Fo