Transcripts For CSPAN Key Capitol Hill Hearings 20140705 : v

CSPAN Key Capitol Hill Hearings July 5, 2014

Trouble accepting new information. 6 i give you exhibit a, shotgun joe. The Vice President , who has all of this advice for the ladies, as to which is the preferred gun for them. None one of those nasty a. R. 15s but shotgun, of course. And within day at least one wag had a video together that showed one woman after another falling flat on her back, shotgun flying out of her hands. Having been obstructed what to expect. Last frame is lady at a range control fire boom, boom, with an ar15. I knew somebody who knows the Vice President personally. He made that Information Available to him. This person is Second Amendment expert. Sfirmes expert bar none. And it was like water on a ducks back. Liberals live in a factfree environment. But they play for keeps. They have been trying to tar us and others who object to the rise or continued bloating of Big Government and its dangers including their efforts to disarm the peasants, us they. They responded by language that could be fatal if not checked. Theyre calling us from the very top regime in washington calling People Like Us potential terrorists, returning veterans, prolifers. American Family Association is a hate group. I may have described half the people in here, i dont know. But thats what theyre up to, what the nazis did to the jews, soviets did the ukrainian farmers, what americans have done to tie rapts without history, demonized, disarmed killed. As it always has been, its in the back of many politicians minds that it is there and they perhaps are recognizing limits. A congressman was talking to a liberal congressman sometime that probably doesnt happen too often but he was and admitted it its not a gun issue. Whatever he was, he was talking to her about it. He knew she was connected with guns right organization. Out of the middle of nowhere she said, i bet want to shoot me, dont you. Lady, thats what the Second Amendment is all about. Thats what it is all about. Keep that in your line as you write your that vranes tyrannes laws because it might come into play, thats what its there for. We have seen a lot of short comings in this leadership. One of the reasons were happy eric cantor is kaputsky, hes one of those very instrumental in a surprise like ambush on the floor of the house handful of rhino republicans joining democrats in avoiding more money to states could turn more names of people into the federal computers for more people not to be able to get guns. Really cool, larry cantor, thanks a million. Actually thanks 10 million. We have seen what the president meant by using his pen and phone. Operation choke point is all about. Putting squeeze on gun stores through the federal deposit insurance corporation. Saying these are dangerous businesses there are they have to be charged higher Interest Rates im sorry higher rate for fees for their handling credit cards. Or drop all together. Happily the free market has come to the rescue and a number of entities, hopefully guns in america will join them soon with a Satellite Company process and check credit cards for merchants being hammered by the regime. I would like to give you background on how the how the gun bill, gun registration bill was killed. Weble we were probably two weeks out from the vote and we had not heard from the n. R. A. Weigh thought piers morgan has given us this piers morgan email memorial list and everybody came on to our server crashing it three times to find out what we were all about. And a lot of us stayed to get our email and things of that sort to help out lobbying. We thought maybe we better lobby our big brother because we really need him now. This thing could pass. It was a very touchandgo enterprise we were engaged in. We put out the email saying look fks youre an n. R. A. Member and only if you are, call this guy at this number at the n. R. A. And ask him to get the powers to be to publicly oppose the two mentioned bills. A week later i mean, kind of sat still, thats what happened. The next thing was even more surprising. Senator mansion went screaming to the media, i have been betrayed. N. R. A. Did a 180. We almost had this bill in the bag. We had no idea what was going ofpblet came so close. Piers morgan f. Youre listening to an n. R. A. Monitor, we love you, piers [applause] one of the things cantor did to get ire and were still not sure if were out of the woods with this weasel is pushing amnesty. If he does that, its the end of the Republican Party and much more important, end of the republic. I speak spanish im in an Hispanic Church i know what im talking about. 80 democrats and when you vote democrat, you vote for gun control. Cant seerms to think immigration will win hearts and minds. I got news for you greg cantor, that will not happen. It will take a lot of work through churches and other entities where these folks work one on one and idea you pass some bill to give them a vote, thanks but no thanks its just not simple. For us grave, exessential threat to the Second Amendment. 10 15 years after it materialized, were toast. So thats why we were so happy to see cantor go down. Sorry boehner didnt go down. But he only got 60 against a 30yearold vet with no money. I saw this marvelous photo. I couldnt find it before i came up. It depects like 1910 perhaps scene, black and white photo, couple european hunters with lung guns standing near a dead rhino. And the caption on this is somewhere in virginia. One of the things got me encouraged is opportunity we had to work with senator krause and senator lee, probably it was around beginning of august, there was a member with a number of people like yours truly who headed pup people who already opposed obama care or i prefer to call it zero care, we opposed it because it would shovel people who had never been adjudicated into a court of law with any due process and keep to bear be arms. We had been along and local opponent of zero care. We were there with conservative groups. At the meeting also was senator kruse. The thing i had almost never heard from another politician was look dont know whether were going to win or lose this fight but we have got to fight. Wow. Thats what i had been waiting for a long time to hear somebody say hes in it for the long haul. He may lose battles but hes in it to went the war. I think we have a leader we have been looking for. Simon bundy and events that came about at the ranch there near. Finally somebody stood up and said im not going to be pushed around anymore. Ton my pleasant surprise and amazement, a lot of other americans agree. And they went out at a drop of a hat to defend this man. I was called by stuart rose, who heads up road keepers, to attend. It would be held the monday after the feds ended up folding on saturday. I was on my way almost on my way to the airport and i got a call from stuart well, theyve gone. And they fled because they couldnt quite believe the American People would stand up to him. One of the things i learned that was kind of frightening when the cowboys and i think courgs were riding towards the coral to set free, they had guns aimed at them. Not at the ready, at them. 24er7 convinced we were able to watch this unfold realtime. The deputy went up to the b. L. M. Boys and said do you want to be known as the folks that gunned down unarmed men and women . And apparently it was a good question. So it really tells you the importance of a sheriffs department. The supremacy of a scher ive is a doctrine that operates in almost every state of our country. And the Second Amendment was then under the Proper Authority of an elected county sheriff. And i think that was the way episodes should have ended and the way it did end. Memo to washington it can happen again. In fact, it was on the verge of happening again if you might have seen, although not in the pages of any of the major media that on the red river, boundary between oklahoma and texas, all private land, always has been private land, they were talking about grabbing land because of this that or the other, law force or whatever smrks nonexistent vegetation. Militia in both states said we will see you there. They didnt have to deploy. Feds got the message this is not the time to be messing around with the American People. We had it, eric cantor knows it. Others will know it too. [applause] i would say in closing, if you had one question and one demand that you might make on your particularly members of the house or those running for such a position, are you going to work to get the spineless leadership of your party to defund x, y and z programs lets start particularly with not raising the debt limit. Lets start with defunding zero care. And go on from other things who care to be equally dealt with as urgently. If we inject that into these campaigns, they will realize what happened to eric cantor was not a fluke. Eric cantor was the first burst of lava coming out of a peptup volcano that has finally burst forth. Lets do it, folks. [applause] before paul comes up and introduces our final speaker, the volunteers in about three minutes are going to go around and collect envelopes. Please make sure you made your bid. No bid too small. If you all you have is 5. It all goes toward our p. D. F. Fund which were going to need this year in this election. This is a crucial election. And the political victory fund, all of the funds let me be clear, we dont write checks to candidates. We dont run ads. We send out alerts that cost a lot of money. We dont put the money in pockets but we do action item thats support them. And then is think there anybody else that is interested in a raffle ticket for john lotts foundation for gat tar . If there is, raise your hand andly come by there we go. Raise your hand and i will come by for that. Thank you. Our next guest held teacher positions at the university of chicago, yale university, stan forward, ucla, wharton and rice and chief economist at the United States sentencing commission. His passbooks included three editions of my favorite more guns less crime. Crime and freedomonimi crft s. Lott is contributor and weekly columnist for fox news. Com, Opinion Pieces by lott have appeared in such places as the wall street journal, the new york times, l. A. Times, the new york times, usa today, chicago tribune. Hes appeared in such Television Programs as abc and nbc nationally evening news broadcast, fox news and newshour jw jim lehrer and the today show. Ann coulter called him one of americas most feared economists. And she said, can you tell the conservatives liberals fear most because they start being automatically referred to as discreditted. Ask senator ted cruz. No one is called by liberals more often than the inestimateable economist john lott, author of the groundbreaking book, more guns less crime. Dr. Lotts topic for the evening and let me get this right is making up facts about gungs. Before i dipet us him though. We have a photo up on the board our history goes back further than you know, john. Thats me in about oh, dont know 1995 or so. And i took it to elon college now elon university. That is me approaching sarah brady. So i approached her entourage and security closed around her. I said, mrs. Brady, i understand want to reduce violence. I want to help you do that. And she beamed and the security guards parted. I said, i think you need this. And i slapped dr. Lotts study into her hand. We bring you john lott and his topic again is making up facts about guns. [applause] i greatly appreciate the chance to talk to you all again. Theres been a lot going on here. Its kind of fortunate paul earlier played a video when Shannon Watts was on 0 cnn. And it foreshadowed shft discussion i would be having, amazingly within a minute or two there, you had several claims that were being made there. 40 of guns were obtained with that background check. Purchasing would with background checks. Claims would you have seen many times over the last year by president obama, its finally after a long time you would go and have some of the media fact checks point out here you have a survey tiny survey that is done over two decades ago that was done before we had the brady law in effect. And it wasnt just sales. Most of that was actually 36 were transfers within family gifts or inheritance. And just the fact somebody would go and just change the terminology from saying, apparent gifting or inheritance good child with a gun and somehow called it a gun sale, scare people that somehow unrelated people were obtaining guns, just gave you some idea how far people were willing to go in order to try to make up numbers or claims. And so it is just in the last couple of weeks, the president has gone and made many other statements. Enminute presentation a couple weeks ago, like ten days ago. Then must have had maybe about 15 false, completely false statements twhan short period of time. What i thought i would try to do is go through some of the those and talk a little bit about the supporting evidence that he brings up in order to try to support that. Lets say i have known obama for number of years. Maybe 18 years or so. We both taught at the University Chicago law school for appeared of time. And hes a true believer. Im not going to use terms like nazi germany in the 30s but people may have referenced today. Is it dangerous for people to go and produce misinformation. Does it create corn fusion in the debate and make it so we might adopt laws that are incorrect . Yeah, i think there are real dangers and real dangers for peoples safety. Just you go through a few now. These are ten days old from president obama. One thing he mentioned my biggest frustration is society has not been willing to take some basic steps to keep guns out of the people who can just do unbelievable damage. Were the only developed nation on earth where this happens. Just typical exaggeration in this case. Want to ask the person, is norway a developed nation . In july 2011 ignoring bomb deaths that were there you had a shooter that killed 69 with a gun and wounded 110 other people. Thats the record right now for Single Person killer. Most people may not realize this but two of the three worse k12 Public School shootings in the world occurred in germany. And they both have occurred in germany since the year 2001. One in fred, germany 18 People Killed and the other one in lyndon germany, you had 15 People Killed. Earlier, we did done work looking at mass public shootings in 2000 to 2010 and what you find is the per capita rate of pass public shootings really sent that much different than the United States. You say how can k that possibly be. I havent heard of these things. You look at the attacks which are worse than columbine how many of you have known these tacks in germany. Its interesting when you have horrible attacks occur it may get hour or two worth of Media Coverage in the United States and then disappears. Europe gets much more coverage of the american Mass Shootings than the United States does of europe. You may not realize finland within last four years has had several big attacks where ten people or so have been killed at a university or mall. You wouldnt have known that by trying to depend upon American Media in order to try to understand that. The president then went on and referring to apparently according to the white house, refering to bloombergs numbers that came out last week about School Shootings said and now once a week, we have Something Like this happen. Lets just take a minute about these claims that came out by bloomberg. Where he says there have been 74 School Shootings since newtown. We had this type of argument before in february, we produced the type of number wheres at that time it had been 44. The amazing thing to me is how uncritically the media covers these things. Within like two weeks you had, had well over 2,000 different news stories about it when it came out in february. None critical. None of them going and asking an academic or critic to go and evaluate the type of claim there. Pretty much put out as received wisdom. You got pretty similar pods of coverage for while with 74 but this time at least had you places like cnn or political fact amazingly enough, daily caller doing fact checks. Pointing out something hi been arguing for six i had been arguing six months. Its included unrelated cases of School Property. You have an example of a 19yearold whose gambling about a block off the School Property get into a dispute over the money being gambled and shot to death. Well i dont know why this keeps coming up. I have a feeling were going to have a problem with that. The question is, is it a tragedy that somebody gets shot near an Elementary School whose engaged in gambling . Here it is. Nobody want thats to happen. Nor if you have a 43yearold man who commits suicide at 2 00 a. M. In the morning near a school or at a school . Yeah, thats a tragedy. But these are not the type of shooting incidents that go and terrify parents when you go and talk about these things. Many of these event not any tragedies or deaths or injuries occurring. Ly show you one possibly better way of looking at this and that is how whats happened to the number of deaths over time . You take 125 instances cnn claimed occurred since newtown. Still sounds like a lot. They dont go through and carefully tell you people die, was anybody shot in these instances . And if you look at this you actually have seen over the last couple decades a fairly significant drop in the rate of people dyeing from Mass Shootings on either k through 12 or universities. In the five years because we start getting this data pretty solidly, theres a couple organizations that start collecting this back

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