Wonderful, discussing all the ways they are perverting islam warhe way they are waging and taking advantage of our political failures in terms of how we are gaining territory. So this is not a clash of civilizations. Islams people perverting and taking advantage of political realities. So i just want to get from you you said this already and i want to go one step deeper specifichat are the tactics to sort of expose isil for the perversions they are doing . What are the best ways to go about that . Thank you, senator. I really believe in the common narrative. That is very important. When i started to do this less than a year ago, i realized there was no very articulate, clearcut counter narrative. How does islam deal with issues of plurality, citizenship . All of these things have been argued by 200 years but are unknown to the vast majority of muslims. The principles daesh claim as the bones of modernity have been dealt with already. It is based on the primary sources, which are important i have to interrupt you, doctor. I have to be mindful of my time. I want to say to mr. Nahas and ms. Murad, your testimony was so courageous and moving. The outrageous attacks going on against lgbt people in the middle east and the United States, which as you point out in your testimony, is the most common form of hate crime, i am grateful for your courage. It is so profound. I am grateful you would come here and share your story. Thank you so much. Thank you, senator. I want to pick up on senator langfords and senator bookers line of questioning. Right now in terms of success or lack of success against it . There is a state department report, very difficult numbers. Theyre changing all the time. When i looked at and did a calculation of the number of People Killed in terrorist attacks prior to 9 11, it is a little under 5000. 6, sevengrown 5, times. This is a growing threat. Isis news reports show that isisinspired attacks cost 191 ,000 lives the last two years. I realize we have made some progress. We have taken back territory. They still control territory. The analysis im using is that of a beehive in your backyard. Stick, poke it with a but you are stirring up a hive. Is that what we are witnessing . We have to defeat isis. We have to deny them the caliphate. But we have a lot of mopping up to do. These terrorist groups are spreading, evolving, metastasizing. It is like a cancer. We are not winning this battle. I come from the position that isis and al qaeda are growing and there will be other groups that join them. Their territories expanding for the next decade or two. Ishink at this moment, isis being rolled back and defeated territorially. Iraq, they lost 50 of their territory. In syria, 20 of their territory. Libya, they are on the back foot. They are struggling to establish any presence. Al qaeda is doing well in yemen. They are not doing well in afghanistan. Capacity is limited. However, i believe the ability to inflict damage is strong. They benefit from the open space on the internet, the selfradicalization. You can become self radicalized by watching a video by an american citizen. It is easy to become one of them. The radicalization is the sort swift. They can push a person in a short time to do damage. It is hard to predict, but it is there. Gains inanswer, the syria and iraq does it give you much comfort . You think they are growing in strength over the next decade or two . That is good. The problem is the political track, the social, religious, political process in iraq and syria, is lagging behind. If they catch up to the military advances, isis will go away for a while. For now, the focus is on military. Dotor, i want to shift to the Muslim Brotherhood. It is often reported as a more moderate group. Do you have any thoughts on the Muslim Brotherhood . A lot of thoughts. I think that goes back to what i was trying to say, the concept of the spectrum. Some islamic groups, while of them are on the left of the spectrum, not open a violence, there are procedural changes where violence would be authorized. Look what happened in egypt, my home country. I am always utterly shocked at ging our government is with organizations like the Muslim Brotherhood, quite frankly. I spoke to people at the embassy in cairo. Why dont you engage with Muslim Leaders . They gave me a dropdown list of all these activists. There is a big mismatch. By engaging with them so openly and freely, we almost legitimize that approach. So i think it is dangerous. I think it is definitely on the spectrum. Necessarily necessity that it goes from one end to the other. Sen. Carper . We thank each of you for being with us today, spending this time with us, sharing your thoughts. Your advice as well. A question. Art with i would invite other witnesses to respond. Testimony, you wrote that the United States must highlight the war with isis is not a sectarian conflict. Can point out there are muslims the isl sunni is am fighting isis. That said, some people in the u. S. Are trying to paint this as a clash between the west and islam. I think our president made it clear he believes this kind of rhetoric is dangerous and plays into the hand of isis. Do you agree with this . I agree this is not a sectarian war. It is not war islam versus west. War is all, the about muslims versus muslims. This is what the ideology is built on. Practically speaking, the way has ideology of isis was ad and become framed reaction to the events that happened after the iraq war, not the iraq war itself. How the sunnis reacted to the presence of americans on the ground. They started to appropriate events to the context that is going on. It was not at all about the west. It is about what is going on on the ground. Thank you. Is do youe question agree that pretraining this war playsar against islam into the hands of isis . If anything, the victim of isil is islam itself. They have definitely declared war on our scholars, our tradition. That is the biggest tragedy. Allies are best people like me. My life is threatened by being here, speaking out against this. I do not take that lightly. End. Lly want this to i want to know what i can do to push that forward. In that desire is the greatest ally we have to counter the rhetoric and the ideas coming out of isil. Thank you. Mr. Nahas . I do not have the capacity to answer this question. Nadia, do you want to respond to that question . Do you believe painting this war against islam plays into the hands of isis . By pretraining this as a war against islam . [speaking foreign language] the first thing i did, i went to egypt to deliver that message. The things that happened to me, i wanted to go to this country and tell them what happened. [speaking foreign language] i want to prevent the youth from joining Islamic State. I told them what crimes were committed. Yoanted to stop the flow of uth to them. Is notking against this help for daesh. You have to speak against it. [speaking foreign language] also minimizing the role of daesh for the power is not right. Miles, andthan 3000 they protect it all. Tens of thousands are fighting for them. [speaking foreign language] some of our villages are only 150 people. We have nothing to recapture these villages. How about big cities . It is not a small power. [speaking foreign language] speaking against isis does not mean speaking against islam and also does not mean speaking in favor of sunni or shia. When we speak against this, we are united. My time is expired. Arechairman, you and i supporting legislation that would strengthen the ability of the department of Homeland Security to reach out to faith communities, civic groups, to prevent isis from recording of americans. If i could just have 30 seconds and ask, what advice would you have for the department of Homeland Security as they put out put together this outreach . Just maybe one strong piece of advice for Homeland Security. Work with us. Thank you. I will givearper, the witnesses to issue a closing statement. Nadia, who helped you escape . [speaking foreign language] a muslim family. I think that answers your question. Doctor, you said help us, basically, help you. We are looking at specific efforts that would be going on to activate lone wolves in the United States, cells in belgium and france. This is a part of the war that obviously has western countries right where they are being , where citizens of those countries and american citizens are finding the perversion of islam so compelling they are willing to take up arms against fellow citizens in europe or the United States of america. We are clearly doing a lot already to empower local organizations in our communities, working with mos ques and panels where folks have given testimony. We have allocated more resources for that. I have been one of the folks saying that effort should not be Law Enforcementfocused. They should be focused on empowering neighborhoods and networks. It will nots cbe, help deal with the core of the problem. You pointed out so clearly that this is a perversion of islam. This is not islam we are fighting against. Elis is people using it to fu ,atred for political objectives to control territory and expand the reach of their totalitarian ends. My concern is i think we need to be doing more. More, to counter that narrative. I liked what you said in one of your responses. Another 150page paper is not as effective against the memes you see online that seduce vulnerable souls to this type of terrorist activity. I understand your short answer to a short question, but i am trying to figure out the specific strategies. We are seeing some of them working. You expose the fact that isil is killing far more muslims, far more sunnis, than people in the west. Soreally begins to expose that young people who might be susceptible see them for who they are, naked before their eyes. Those are the strategies we need to invest in more. In the two minutes i left you in a threeminute preamble, can you go to the core of those things . Where would you be placing those dollars . We have a very successful model in Montgomery County called the brave model, a Publicprivate Partnership. It is a really good program. It is Given National recognition. We are trying to export this model, train other counties in the country that need this message. I do a lot of the counter narrative. I would love to be in a position where i can train other Muslim Leaders in this country and counterparts in western europe. I did the research. I am happy for them to take it and say they did it. I am happy for people just to get the message out. I also mentor people. People that might be on the spectrum that are referred to us by Law Enforcement, the school board. There is no capacity for local government to deal with them and talk with them. I try to decipher is there a problem . Is it a Mental Health issue . Then i try to refer them to programs that will help them. This Publicprivate Partnership is working in our county. If i had some say in the purse strings, i would like to be in a the countiesrain that need it the most, and go overseas to cities like brussels, london, and work with counterparts to train them in this model. That is a proactive strategy. It would save a lot of money on reaction with Law Enforcement or something happening. Today, your testimonies have been testimonies of courage. You are risking your life by coming here, by speaking truth, evil that wee the are up against. For that, i am deeply grateful. Thank you, senator booker. You are right. Of people of the evil threatening someone speaking the truth. I would like to make a final comment. You will start with you. Covered most of it. I want to emphasize that we all s, what it doesi to the people it claims to represent. These are emphasize the victims as much as others are. That needs to be present in the media. It is not one persons or. It is war. It is everyones war. You get the harder questions because you have dr. In front of your name. Thank you for the opportunity to address the committee, submit testimony on something that is much more than work. This is something very personal. Of my children when i come here and how the rhetoric, even though they are young, the political rhetoric is something that scares them. I hope what we are doing here will build a more Resilient Alliance so the america they grow up in is better than the america i grew up in. Thank you, senators, for the opportunity to speak in front of you. Every time i have a chance to speak and talk about my experience, i think about my counterparts that are still in danger, that are still under threat because of because they are different, because they do not confirm with other peoples expectations. I hope the United States will take a stand and be more active in Holding Governments and other actors on the ground accountable for their actions and do something about this. Nadia . [speaking foreign language] you, and thank you for all the attendees and witnesses who came here. [speaking foreign language] i wish that we all can Work Together and stand up together to stop this terrorism. [speaking foreign language] i would like also for you to recognize our genocide and bring every single one from Islamic State, whether they are a leader or a soldier, to bring everyone of them to justice. We would love to see that. I do not have any more questions. I would just like to thank all of you. One of the Key Takeaways for me is we talk about the golden rule. Schools our children went to, there is bullying. In some cases, i remember a parent was aware bullying was going on. I remember going and speaking out to make sure that did not persist. I think we were successful. I applaud the folks of the , those who are speaking up at real risk to personal safety. I want to make sure you do not pay any price for that. That is a matter of concern. For the kids who are being bullied because they happen to i ama name like nahas, concerned about them. They somehow are paying the price as well. Advice, itiving them vocal, brave, speaking out against the abuses we see perpetrated by isis. Ask may be a hard thing to kids to do. End, theyk in the will be safer and will ultimately feel better about their situation. Thank you. I want to thank all the witnesses for your testimony, for your courage. Have accomplished our goal of helping us understand this better. We have a long way to go to fully understand this. You certainly helped. Thank you for your testimony and courage. The hearing record will remain open until july 6 at 5 00 p. M. For the submission of statements and questions the record. This hearing is adjourned. [captions Copyright National cable satellite corp. 2016] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. Visit ncicap. Org] i am pleased that the body has come to this conclusion. In the senate will undoubtedly provide citizens with greater access and exposure to the actions of this body. This access will help all americans to be that are informed of the problems and the issues which face this nation on a day by day basis. During the election, i had the occasion of meeting a woman who had supported me in my campaign. She decided to come to shake my hand and take a photograph. 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