Producer of turning point usa debates political commentator hassan piker at the annual politicon conference. This is an hour. [applause] our microphones on . Whats going on, guys . [cheers and applause] the first debate of clini politicon. You guys excited . Before i can get a better understanding of the room, how many people are charlie kurt fans . Oh, wow. And how many are hassan fans . Probably equal. Seems fair, i think. All right. Politicon, are you ready for this debate . All right. Well, i am thrilled to be with all of you. Im the founder of the millennial action project, a Bipartisan Organization to keep the peace here today. To our left, the host from the young turks. [cheers and applause] founder andght, the executive director of turning point usa, charlie kurt. [cheers and applause] all right. We are to talk about free speech get into and before we that, we have a long line outside. I want to thank all of you for waiting. I want to give a shout out to the very first person in line, isabel. There she is. My first question is for charlie. Censorship blocking free speech on campus today . Charlie without a doubt. And it is disproportionately and dad conservative way. Againstoportionately conservatives. There is a disproportionate amount of people at the top targeting conservatives. Blocking speakers they disagree with. They are advancing an agenda. At turning point usa we not only fight for our ideas of a free markets and governments but now we are fighting for free speech. We have to say, it is ok to hear something youd disagree with. You do not have to run into a safe space because you hear something you disagree with. I am perfectly ok with socialists having a right to be wrong. I am perfectly ok with a speaker to come on campus and tell people why they think their ideas are better. The question i will post throughout this whole discussion this tos it ok for left write and and storm stages and profile alarms and pull fire alarms and then i wonder, why are you shouting our speeches down and writing violently on campuses. Taking down robert e. Lee on fire, notrches that big of a deal. It is not reminiscent of the akaka in any way, shape, or form. Charlie i understand by the this is a microcosm. The main argument for turning point usa is will you thrive in a diverse opinion. They are a microcosm of what the United States is as a larger unit. You really frontloaded your argument. You through your opinions out there but the hasan first of all, we really dont have a narrow definition of safe space. It seems to me that conservatives are both claiming that liberals are looking for safe spaces but then they also try to act like they are the victims themselves. So which is at, charlie . Charlie i am looking for the ability to speak freely. Im not playing victim. I am happy to speak freely. Here is where it is different. Ben shapiro goes to a Paul University and by the way the young turks did a segment saying this was wrong. Hold on a second. He went to napalm and the administration disinvited him. This happens thousands of times a semester. The hasan over 500 documented cases of conservative harlie do you feel as though the reason for why there is such backlash toward certain conservative speakers and by the way you did an interview with ben shapiro where he admitted berkeley was a diverse crowd and welcome template open arms. Disinvited him. The reason is because the campus was fully booked. I dont understand what you want to do. What do you want to do . Are you kidding me . You are better than that. Berkeleyd the administration. They know better than you and i do. Campus with 25,000 students . They could find some room. Onlets talk about speakers campus. I do agree that ben shapiro should have whatever right to go to whatever campus he wants to speak, especially if students want to know that. I agree with you. Rutgersroblem is university, ut, the Admissions Administration says drags it is an unpopular speaker. I know, but the students the students are pampered and of radicalbecause ideology. They protest. They dont want to be on the nightly news and smash windows. That is why they cater to that. Should College Administrations not listen to the wants of their students . If there is a divisive speaker, and by the way i mentioned time and time again, everyone has a right to protest if they dont when a specific speaker to come to campus. If they feel like campuses are wasting money on protecting these speakers because there were dark is so violently extremist and targeting specific aspects of society. Ask, where is the line for speakers on campus . I think both of you say you support free speech. Beyondes a speaker go the line and they should be disinvited . Look, i think every speaker should be on campus. I personally agree with that. Personally, in a Perfect World i wish people would not protest and let them talk to a crowd of 30 other horny maggot charns. I am not saying all of you are horny maggot chuds. I have plenty of friends who are horny maggot chuds. I think people who support Richard Spencer are absolutely insane. I would not support Richard Spencer. But the same foundation that speaker oras a turning point usa is a speaker has also had Richard Spencer on campus. The young conservatives. What are you talking about . They have blocked Richard Spencer. We have never booked Richard Spencer. Not you, not turning point. I have never booked Richard Spencer. Company that booked Richard Spencer and my load onopolists and milo y. You orhas also booked flat for your right to talk on campus. Eggs and i will fight for their and i will fight for their right to talk on campus. And when they do, people wont show up. By the way, going back to the safe space argument no. We originally strayed away from that. Going back, i do not understand why people that feel as though they have been victimized by racism or sexism or bigotry or intolerance or of any kind can have a small area where they can rehabilitate and meditate. The problem is, you like alcohol, right . Do you like alcohol . Very little. You have the right to drink alcohol. But why would you want to bring alcohol into naa meeting. Why would you want to enforce the same concept that colleges are places where free speech cant thrive . I think theyre wrong for campus culture. I think they divide people. Wagner are safe spaces that say white people arent allowed, and you agree with that . Safe youd disagree with space then . No. But you are generalizing all safe spaces which is absurd. Some safe spaces say people. The Lgbt Community only isnt that discrimination . I do not think anyone should be discriminated against. About safe spaces and what is allowed in those saves raises as far as speech. We are not talking about discriminating people against more discriminated. There are plenty of people not privileged to support donald. Plenty of people who are latino and black support conservative ideologies. If they want to be involved in safe spaces, let them. Let everyone join the safe spaces if they want to talk. But if you want to talk to a rape victim in a safe space about a brutal depiction of rape, that seems and tolerant. I dont understand why you want to do that. Were talking about our respective experiences. Charlie, you are talking about how you did not go to college. A song, you were talking about rutgers. Hasan, you are talking about rutgers. Has hasan when Tyler Clementi committed suicide, after that dorms. Eated the rainbow i feel like if you are discriminated against your entire life and you come to a diverse campus where people should tolerate you and then you are bullied by your roommate about something you cannot change about yourself and your looking about for a safe space, a safe space wouldve saved Tyler Clementis life. Whoare talking about people might end up committing suicide. You are against that. Your definition of a safe space is not what they have become. I dont understand. Your organization tries to indoctrinate you to an unpopular idea. A lot of people believe in the value of free market of the constitution. What is going on with College Campuses . Rides you are such a big free market fan and except you created an organization that tries to game the system that it that like College Campuses are not necessarily representative of elected officials. How is that free market . If you are such a free market advocate, what dont you go out and create a College Campus that has conservative leanings . Why dont you create a college that has conservative professors . Is it because Trump University was that and fail spectacularly . About theppy to talk largest summit. Chapter leader summit. Fastestgrowing young conservative organization. Safe spaces, there is a difference between a place where people can seek needed Mental Health assistance and a place where it is discriminatory against other students on campus and creates a culture inherently byking to be offended something with microaggressions and trigger warnings and Walking Around saying, i need a safe raise because i heard something i disagree with. Is interesting to me that you feel like you know what is better for the entire student population of america. I did not say safe spaces are wrong, i said we are going to fight against them. There is a difference between saying i want to abolish something or making commentary. , o laughing, mocking look, i love the narrative that is the truth. I love the narrative that conservatives try to advance when you guys are also snowflakes when it comes to starbucks cups. Whenever the narrative is checked on the other side, god forbid it is a minority as well. Everybody is looking for their own safe space. Maybe you should create conservative safe spaces that are not just golf clubs and back rooms at Goldman Sachs. Charlie,urious, because were talking backstage about our respective experiences, what triggered your passion on this issue . For sparked your passion this issue, because you probably did not have personal experience and safe spaces early on. Maybe it became maybe you would not be conservative if you had your own safe space grown up. I went to Public High School in chicago. Surrounded by people who disagree with you you either dive deep or walk away and dont care. I decided to learn more about free markets. Read milton friedman. I said, there is a movement that needs to be started on our high school and College Campuses. Means saying by any i am a voluntary Free Trade Association live. Im not saying you should not be able to form his groups or free those groups or safe spaces. Microaggression, trigger warning, Incident Response team. You talk about that. That crosses the line. For someone who consistently talks about how i am putting words in your mouth, you talk like i am the kind of person who says trigger warnings and, you committing au are microaggression against me. Others to who look to talk to them, heal themselves in is saidacity, why something you are triggered by . How does that and french on your liberties . How does that infringe on your liberties . One thing that bothers me is how much conservatives talk about freedom and how they are in favor of freedom like to infringe on other peoples liberties. There is something very wrong about that. If donald trump comes your campus i am saying the people who need safe spaces on campus because donald trump shows up. Bags i know. Rape victims are so i know. Rape victims are so soft. Was createdace because of three words. Build a wall. I dont understand that. Let them be softer. If you think your argument is stronger than in the free market of ideas your argument will eventually win. The freedom of speech gives you the right to say whatever the hell you want but it does not give you the right to be popular, charlie. Im sorry. All of these together, many of these campuses go out and say for example they disinvited ben shapiro at dePaul University. Lessybe he should be offensive. So he should be blocked from campus . I dont think so, but maybe he should be less offensive. Is it offensive if you are reactionary in some way and you try to bring about some sort of negative reaction in your commentary by purposefully identifying and attacking certain subjects of society, they are going to react. I do not advocate for punching a nazi. That is obviously a highly debated question for some form of reason. I dont advocate that. That is crazy talk, right . Not everybody in the left thinks that. You are putting words in the mouth. Say is, benying to shapiro has every right to say whatever he wants and if they are specifically targeting certain groups and are upset by that. When you are face to face with those people that you are personally attacking, they are going to react. That is the reason there are so Many Organizations that used to onto campuses. That was in protest. They wanted to show the left was actually intolerant. Trap. L into that i agree with that. I dont think we should have protested milo as much. When you do not protest someone to 30ilo, he just talked students who wanted to do when he had to say and after that he goes back to his house and i do not know what he does but if no one protests him, he only sells 152 books in london. He loses. So why would i advocate for protesting him . You talked about the liberal bias and academia. What are the incentives behind that . Why did that come to be . A lot of reasons. It is undeniably that professors are tilted to the left. Democrat rather than republican. Because they are not doing the job of Goldman Sachs . Conservatives are making a bunch of money and liberals arent. Serve you want to go there conservatives are more likely professorships. Conservatives are more likely to put their names on the buildings. If you want to throw it, youve got to take it. Are like the reason Jared Kushner can only get into college of his dad pays over 3 million and i get that. Like, i am glad the conservatives are doing their own form of a formative action to ensure their White Supremacy is left unchecked so they can still go to the best College Campuses and get the best job possible. Turning point usa, you have admitted you are libertarian. Ok, conservatarian. Branded it. Free market capitalist, right . Instead of utilizing these suppose it free bike by that you think is the only truth, you instead try to game the system by feeding money from wealthy donors from turning point usa into College Campuses so that conservatives are unfortunately represented. It is difficult to elect someone who is unlikable. It is difficult to elect a student body leader in a College Campus who is largely progressive. If you are criticizing the system, why are you taking advantage of the system and trying to game it in your way . It is almost like you have more regulation so they enforce your opinions on College Campuses rather than i am not sure of why are youo take advantage of the system . It is almost like you want more regulation to enforce your opinion on College Campuses. Pac forou want a {ac students . Absolutely not. Who are your donors question mark over 7000 across the country. Who are the biggest . People who start Huge Companies and are successful. The average contribution is lower than bernie sanders. Movement ofsroots big donors and small donors. It is focusing on training, vating, and movement was so bad, why are we growing in leaps and bounds . I am happy that there is an organization that is actually representative of conservatives. . Can i ask you a question there was a question, before i got interrupted. Personally attacking each other is not going to achieve the substance that people care about in the audience. I have heard you, charlie, and others talk about liberals in academia. What is driving that . Just morets progressive or are there other drivers that we need to know about . There is nothing wrong with this. People who are liberal go into academia. That is why it ends up being to the left. The commentary we make and when we say we want intellectual diversity and representation, when you have a country that is 40 40, with 20 in the having different professors, especially in different schools, like business and finance, you should have representation. Why want the conservative something to the administration . What you are saying is that they dont even pull their funding. They are. It has been going on for 60 years and it is so tilted and out of lack that it is more than entirely possible to go to harvard and not hear one good idea about conservatives in four years. Milton friedman has books and classes. What is the most read book in college . The communist manifesto. It is. It is documented by the council of higher education. I wish more people read it and understood it. I think that it contributed to the death of a hundred million people. This narrative. Before we started, we were going to talk about how you equate democratic socialism into communism, but if you want to go there, we can go there. Once we can talk but the failures of venezuela, argentina, brazil, everywhere it has been tried. Lets talk about it. Kidding when you said you would go down a rabbit hole. I am partially trolling. I will admit that. I have heard your narrative on democratic socialism and how the movement that bernie created is responsible for 100 million all theeven considering death that capitalism has brought about. Lets not even talk about that. Toss to democratic socialism. You mean the v. A. That kills veterans . Services that wont even get mail on time. Governmentin our that is socialist is bankrupt. The police, the fire departments, roads. I dont understand. All of those are local. All the other things that i attack, you sent to washin