That is why we do have to do, if you are in government, you have to budget your resources and do some kind of costbenefit analysis. The tricky thing about terrorism and Foreign Policy is you dont know what dangers and price and even catastrophes you have a verdict sometimes by spending a lot of money or by sacrificing american lives with some of these efforts. That is why the pure Economic Analysis is tougher to do then the consumer analysis. The fda this drug is going to have this side effect what will save this number of people. Ofthe apa the epa value the human life this is when i million dollars, and they have no clue either. Than just is more terrorism. Overallis essential to defense as well. I would like to bring this to a local level. A greatjudy has written deal about the nypd. We are facing an election in which may oral candidates on the democratic side have all committed to stopping the stop and frisk program. Congressman king and judith particularly could comment on what they think the impacts of this is going to be on the safety and security of new york city. Those allegations by the democratic candidates, by the know your times, by the Associated Press are shameful and is grateful. It is a model to be higher country. It is absolutely necessary, it is needed, and if anybody wouldve told us on september 12, 2001 that the nypd could have stopped all these attacks over 12 years and the result of that wouldve been the next mayor wants to dismantle a program or cut back, they would think we are crazy. Those problems are essential, necessary, and ray kelly deserves everything he could get for what he has done. [applause] a wreath note on ray kelly, and that is if the mayoral candidates are to be believed, does not seem likely that he will be asked to stay on. I think everyone of them ought to be asked specifically whether or not they would keep ray kelly on as mayor he shouldve been mayor wishful thinking. As police commissioner. Beyond that, kelly was a candidate for several highlevel post in washington, and apparently it was his stop in for its activity in the endorsement of that program and also his surveillance, radical Muslim Surveillance Program in new york which disqualifies him. I think that thats a great deal about the administrations mindset. Its most unfortunate. Question to my storingo who favor the of data records out of the nsa and allowing them to sandy phone companies. Stay in the phone companies heard what weight do you give the factor we have such a Litigious Society that it is very easy for someone to go into judge,nd get a leftwing if you will, who will give a say , on injunction, and thus prevent the Immediate Availability of that information if it were allowed to be to remain in the phone Company Hands . There is a Session Court to up for that. You are dealing with just the fisa court, a judge you are talking while it is in the possession of the government, the nsa gecko what im talking about is the nsa . What im talking about is the dy made, taking it out of the nsa possession, allowing it to remain in five years in a phone companys possession. Youre taking it out of and putting it into the civil courts, where the phone company is a subject to an injunction. General alexander and others in the nsa have discussed this. They have no philosophical problem with the phone Company Holding onto the records. Again, their concern is what they have that absolutely immediate access that they need . The issue you raises another question come in regards to a civil court, someone getting an injunction, whatever, delaying it, and once the nsa says they have that instantaneous access, they said they are written willing to work. With the absolute assurance of that would have instantaneous access but i do not know if that can be done. Won a turf, they just want to know they have instant access. Just to correct the record, i did not endorse a proposal. It was another panelist. I have not made up my mind about this specific recommendation. I will be interested to see what the hearings produce, what various experts say about where the balance should be. Right now, i am focusing a lot on transparency and the up women of judges as opposed to who keeps the records where. Thank you. Lets have one final question. Maybe people of your make one final comment. I will try to make this quick there was a common myth that there are 5 Million People in the United States with clearances, and why is that. I would like to clarify that is a need to know basis to have access to any classified information. I have held a clearance since 1986 but i cannot tell you the last time i buy a topsecret document. It is based upon a fact that i am working in a cleared facility and i must be cleared to work there. My question is to gary and also to judith gary, do you know its snowed in at a full scope polygraph done to work at nsa . To work at nsa you have to go through a lifestyle polygraph to get in there. If he had that come im very surprised because i wouldve thought it would have detected his malice. And then also to judy, you state that you felt that there are too many contractors with clearances, and i would like you to live by why you trust a Government Employee more than a contractor. I dont know he mustve had a least topsecret special, but i have no idea whether he had a lifestyle polygraph, which is a more sort of intrusive thing. I suspect he did not. Quite i dont have any other comments. Snowden should never have gotten the clearance in the first place. He went from job to job. In several incidents, things were found out about him as he was leaving one job going to the next and the first of did not pass it onto the second. That is inexcusable. There are suspicions even the way he was able to get access to or hopefully that will be corrected in the future. It should never have happened in the first place. Final, as we go forward, this all this agree is an enemy. I think it is so important and public life today. Both parties thinking somehow the nsas or business to spy on americans and find out where future president ial candidates are going. That is wrong. We need to find ways to protect it but not think that nsa is more dangerous than al qaeda. The nsa possibly finding our future president ial candidates [laughter] i dont know why. I think the reason we should not have as many contractors is edward snowden. I dont think he would have gotten a government clearance, a topsecret clearance. My understanding is that is one Million People who have top secret clearance, 5 million who figuresret, but these in general look, right now we were just told, i just read in the press that some people are being polygraphed at the cia once a month now over a leak investigation. It seems to me that our time and energy and money would have been a lot better served to have had the Edward Snowdens of the world who work for contractors or for the nsa given a kind of scrutiny rather than spend it on people who may be talking to the press. Thank you. Snowdenld like to say did not get his clearance with the cia. I would just expressed that the system your point that the contractors are the problem. If one Million People have access, and they are Government Employees, that means, as mitt romney half of them are not. All right, but mitt romney says im going to shrink the government, but by attrition. They are afraid to fire anybody, but you have deadwood, one Million People knowing these secrets. The cia missed the collapse of the soviet union, the follow the shock, arab spring, almost none of these people i assume speak arabic. Station chief, gary [indiscernible] [laughter] jungle disappear after that it was good knowing you, john. [laughter] i would love to have a plan to me how this buying works. Spying works. Let me just say, this is been a very good discussion, an interesting one. These are very serious questions with effectiveness, civil liberties, tradeoffs, it is not a crazy notion that the private sector could do things better. Things have gotten out of control. When the nsa has a deal with a lot more data than they were used to. Bradley manning, you know, that is crazy for a private with secret, maybe not even cs clearance was able to get access to all that stuff, but that was done because everyone decided that everything was to sideload ed before. Silo these are tough choices of governance. We do need serious people. Itcongress, the media, elsewhere to really think through these questions. I personally think this is an interesting and thoughtful discussion. Maybe it will be an inducement to others to think this through and not to settle on soundbites. Thank you all for coming. I think pete wants to close is often a timely way. Quite we did not keep it simple, but we did keep it on time. If you come in on 10, you would like it appeared i want to thank bill and the Weekly Standard for monitoring. I want to thank john for making the bus right in. Is a great member of this discussion. I think judy asked one of the most important and right questions in this discussion which he turned and said hey, how do we know this metadata, we have heard reports that it is more accessible than people think, other agencies are using it, and the representatives and this is not to disparage im not sure the answer is to that. It is not because representative king does not know, but it is because the fear among most conservatives or liberty minded folks sometimes as we should be a nation of laws or when people have the wrong assets access, people do things with data that they should not otherwise do, and a blake and check of trust it sometimes is difficult to give. We live in a world of incredible threat. If one city knows it and understand that, it is new york city, and that is what makes discussions like this so important. The veterans organization, what we hope to do and be able to do is come into the discussion with an understanding, a fundamental understanding of that threat. But also a believe in the liberty and freedom we fought for, and if you give it all away in securing yourself, you lost the country that you went to vie for any process. So we just appreciate this group, we appreciate the Weekly Standard, and most importantly formanhattan institute facilitating this. We are honored to partner with them at this event and grateful that you took the time with us today. Thank you very much. [applause] [captions Copyright National cable satellite corp. 2013] [captioning performed by national captioning institute] on todays washington journal, a look at the jobs numbers. Christopher hill joined the spirit is the former u. S. Ambassador to iraq. He will be talking about the recent threats of al qaeda that led to the closure of u. S. Embassies in the middle east and africa. And a look at the future of u. S. Russia relations following the announcement that president obama has canceled his meeting next month with russian president vladimir putin. Also your calls in todays headlines on washington journal , live beginning at 7 00 a. M. Eastern here on cspan. And with congress on its five week summer recess, we are following members that they hold a town hall meetings. Today, republican congressman tom cole speaking to constituents and more, oklahoma at 10 35. He is followed by democratic senator Sheldon Whitehouse talking at a Community Dinner at 3 00 p. M. Eastern right here on cspan. Vacation tong for marthas vineyard, president obama traveled to orlando, florida, to does to discuss the disabled Veterans National convention. Talk about the priorities of his and administration, including any the backlog, incentive, and the creation of a initiative. He also called on congress to make tax credits permanent for businesses that hire veterans, and two passes veterans job or proposal. Knowank you all, please, i you have been working hard, so rest yourselves. [laughter] i am beyond thrilled to be here with all of you today, and i want to start by thanking larry for that very kind introduction, but more importantly for his tremendous leadership of the dav and for all of his Outstanding Service to this country. But most of all, i want to thank all of you here today. The men and women who have served and sacrificed so greatly on behalf of all americans. Truly, one of my greatest joys over these past few years has been spending time with veterans and military families like all of you. I have laughed with your children at barbecues, i have gone to baby showers with spouses, i have learned so much during my many visits to military bases across the country. I have even smashed a champagne bottle to christian a christen a coast guard cutter. Youre been so inspired by stories. So transpired. I am reminded by one of those stories today, the story of a young man i met at walter reed. His name is Sergeant Perez, and he is 24 years old. A year and a half ago, Sergeant Perez was on a combat mission in afghanistan. He was hit by an rpg. The grenade, but stayed large lost in his left thigh. Not go off. Sergeant perez was the fellow marines ran to his aid, and together they chose to carry him off the battlefield to safety, even though they knew that any wrong move would mean certain disaster. Moments later, four pilots and medics chose to load him onto a helicopter with a live explosives still in his leg, transporting him 65 miles to the nearest medical station. And finally, when they arrived, it a nurse and explosive expert chose to rush to his aid, finally dislodging the rockets by hand and giving doctors the chance to save his leg, which they did. Now, just that part of Sergeant Perezs story tells you everything you need to know about the men and women of our armed forces. Verys all of you know well, stories like these do not and in the combat zone. Since his injuries, Sergeant Perez has injured 30 or 31 surgeries, he does not remember the exact number he has survived , andrt attack, an aneurysm he fought through hundreds of hours of rigorous physical therapy to strengthen his leg. Time and again, just when he has regained the strength to walk, his doctors have told him it is time for another surgery. Back in aant perez is wheelchair, starting all over again from square one. Youheres the thing dont hear about any of that when you talk to Sergeant Perez. What you do hear about is his mother, who he will tell you has stayed by his side every single day. You will hear about his gratitude to those who save his life, to the family and friends who come from new york to visit. And for the life he has in front of him. Today, Sergeant Perez is walking again. He is threemonth into an internship with the Defense Intelligence agency, and he plans to spend the rest of his career serving as country. When asked about everything he has been through, Sergeant Perez puts it all in perspective by i just think you got to get back up. That is all he said. You got to get back up. Room, ik across this see a group of people who know how to get back up. [laughter] [applause] no matter what you have been through. [applause] no matter what he struggles you have face, you all get back up. And that is what inspires me. That is why every day i work to push myself harder to live up to your example. And that is why jill biden and i are working so hard on joining forces because we want to honor and serve you and your families to make sure that you and your families have the Educational Opportunities you need, the support you have earned, and the good jobs you deserve. And if there is one thing that i want all of you to know today is you will never have to get back up all on your own. Not why we are here. [applause] never. [applause] us, you have just got families who support you day and night, you have countless neighbors and pastors, Business Owners i have met them even strangers who will snap into action for you. One important force in person you have is a commander in chief [cheers and applause] understandt simply your service and sacrifice. He carries your stories with him every single day. I have seen it in his eyes when he comes home from a visit to a military hospital. I have noticed the extra energy he gets after a military commencement. And ive heard the emotion in his voice after he talks with the families of our fallen. That is the well he draws from as commander in chief. You are that well. And that is why he has stood up for you again and again, and it is why he is going to keep fighting for you and your families every single day. So ladies and gentlemen, please welcome my husband, our president , barack obama. [cheers and applause] hello, dav. [applause] thank you so much, thank you. Everybody, please have a seat. Do we have an extraordinary first lady . We will be celebrated our 21st anniversary in october. [applause] the first time i saw her, i knew she was something special. She is a little more skeptical about me. [laughter] but persistence is the key. You just have to stay on it. Eventually, you can marry up. To michele and Jill Biden Joining forces, we are so proud of the work youve done to help rally america around military families and veterans. Im inspired by what theyre doing, so thank you, michelle, for your extraordinary work. Join at was proud to your convention three years ago. [applause] it is wonderful to be back. I want to thank your national much. Der, thank you so teame entire leadership johnson, burgess, don adams, all the incredible spouses and spouses that the dav auxiliary. I want to thank barry janowski. I got it. [laughter] they used to mispronounce obama, too. [laughter] i want to thank barry and your grade team in washington. Disabled american veterans, like all veterans, you carry in your hearts the story of brave service that took you to every as young men earth , leftmen, you left home everyone you ever knew because clouds gathered far across the sea. You had your whole li