About political campaigns. I have been through four. Residential campaigns both candidates inevitably are drawn by the diversified nature of their part to compromise a little. This is true always of both candidates. That general eisenhower had made no more compromises to bring all the divergent elements of one great artie together great party together. To some voters, this is disillusioning. Two people who understand politics, it is the nature of our twoparty system. Sylvia jukes morris, your second book on Clare Boothe Luce starts where . 1952, i dont know what month that was but in november of 1952, eisenhower appointed her ambassador to italy. She had always wanted a position like that because she loved italy. She had been there many times. She had been during the war and also as a terrorist. A touruiist. The book doesnt begin there. The last book ended where she was elected to congress. Describes herok arrival at Union Station in january of 1943 as a representative from connecticut. Why is Clare Boothe Luce worth two large books written by you . I dont know that it is about worthiness. It is more about interest. She was such a multifaceted person, had so many are compliments, too many for her own good really. Of a lack of what you would call she never got a university degree, she was always afraid at every job that she was going to be found out that she was unqualified. That is why she changed professions so often. Who writing about a woman had nine lives, not just one. I just got so intrigued by how she got to where she got, which was to congress. You were here 17 years ago. You said that you had done most of the research for the second book. Why did it take 17 years . I had done most of the research at the library of congress because all the papers had been deposited there. Research on the state department. The problem was that many of the papers were still classified. Hawaii tod gone to work on mrs. Luces personal papers. She kept every scrap from the day she was born practically. Never threw anything away. All her diaries, letters, analysis of herself which she frequently wrote. I had seen them and they were to be shipped to the library of congress for me to work on them there. I didnt have time to xerox everything. I waited and waited for them to come. She was still alive and they never came. We thought they were lost at sea. When she died, i got a call from somebody who was clearing out a warehouse in washington where she had stowed a lot of furniture she didnt need. He said, you wont believe this, that trunk with all the papers is here. It is clearly labeled but it was shipped to the warehouse. I thought they were lost and i was really desperate. All the really important stuff was in that trunk. The personal stuff which gave an idea of the real clare. That is why the book took so long. There is a new book of letters of robert frost. They say there is so much more in it now than the original edition. Time goes by. Wasatch us up with who she and the number of Different Things she did. She began by wanting to be an actress. She liked the glamorous life. She liked being in front of the camera, on the stage. Also, she liked the fact that actresses if they were successful became wealthy. Her mother who had always thought that money was the most important thing in the world because she didnt have any, encouraged that. Before she was in her teens, she got a part under studying Mary Pickford in a broadway play. A tasteistaste for life behind the lights. She was a major character as a 13yearold in a Thomas Edison movie. She went out to new jersey and made this film. It was called heart of the waif. She really wasnt an actress. I think she was a bit too concerned with her own persona rather than the persona of the person she was supposed to be playing. She realized maybe her real talent was writing for the theater or the movies. She started to write plays in her teens. By the time she was 33 years old, she had written one melodrama which was a flop, and then she had this immense which with the women went on to become a major film russell and itnd is still played today constantly on television. She was born in new york city and she died in South Carolina . She died actually in washington. It was aed plantation actually in South Carolina. Near what was called monks corner. In the end, she and henry louis paid for the plantation, she persuaded him after she converted to catholicism, to give it to the trappist monks. It is still a monastery. Henry louis put it in his will that he wanted to be buried there too even though he was a presbyterian. She didnt know that until she saw the will. Mother whor and her were killed in Car Accidents what did her father do . The father began wanting to be a violinist. With a name like william booth, it is hard to make it in that field in those days. He never had much success. So he went into the music business, the manufacturing of pianos. He was quite successful in philadelphia for many years. Becamepiano business, he a salesman. I never found evidence that the parents were actually married. I could never find a marriage certificate. I found a letter that she wrote to harry which says, i was born probably illegitimate. She was bornaimed on Riverside Drive in new york city. Actually, she was born in spanish harlem. How did she become a republican . She started out a democrat. She did. One of her early lovers was the socalled advisor to fdr. I dont know how much he did actually advise him. Married with children. He fell in love with her and she he was a democrat and he took her to the 1932 convention where fdr was nominated and then went on to become president. For many years, she followed that life of a liberal. But she said after she married luce, there was no way she could not be a republican. There would be nothing but arguments in the house. So she converted at that point. As you probably found, her voting record in congress as a republican from connecticut was extremely liberal. Immigration, the chinese and indians. She was against the colonial powers like britain. Bill. S very much prog. I. She was also, what was the other generous tolly more people who didnt have anything. The taxes would be raised on the rich. In your book, you talk about a dinner that you had with her near the end of her life. One of those at the dinner was pat buchanan. If you walk outside the studio, the Heritage Foundation has a room dedicated to Clare Boothe Luce. , that veryt happen conservative place would honor her that way . She got more conservative as she got older. In my first volume, i said that clare became more conservative when she had more to conserve. , sheshe got rich herself was less happy about the taxman coming. How long was her first marriage . The first marriage lasted for six years. It was to a fifth avenue millionaire who made a major fortune during the civil war. He was more than twice her age at 44 years old. She was 20 when they married. Her mother tried to marry her off to the prince of wales. Unfortunately, their luggage got delayed and she never got to drink with the prince of wales. Given that he married an american avenue until they, it wasnt as far fetched as it seems. How long was she married to henry luce . 1935 and heied in died in 1967. They stayed married, although it was a troubled marriage in many ways. Was not a sexual relationship after the first couple of years. He had problems physically, but also he put her on such a pedestal that she was like a madonna figure. He found it very hard to have sexual relations with her. She was in congress for how long . She was in congress for two terms. What did she do as a congressperson from connecticut that made the headlines . It was not a voting record that was stellar. Candid enough to say when she made her last speech in congress. It was a democratic hunger is. It is very difficult for a republican to get things through. What did she do after she was in congress . After she left congress, she was hoping to go back to the theater. By then she had had three broadway hits. All three were made into movies and were successful. She had to go back but she found that the kinds of plays she ,rote, which were satirical rather at citic wit acidic wit, she found that hard to do after what she had seen in world war ii. Her particular gift was that. To go back to writing melodrama, she wasnt really equipped to do. She simply couldnt write the funny comedies anymore. She then went on the lecture circuit. She used to do a lot of public speaking. Then she converted to catholicism. Hen she got back into writing she went back to hollywood. She had already written a play about china before she went to congress but it was never made. Millionlled the 400 which is interesting because their population is now 1. 4 billion. That never was made into a movie. In the 1940s, she tried to one devilwis is trying to make the other more effective in making christiansen built christians sinful. They realized it was rather heavy stuff. It wasnt something for hedy lamarr. Why did sheshe and convert to catholicism . Reason was,he major she felt like her life had grown crummy. Wasink a lot of it because the war. She was so disillusioned with human nature, the horrors she had seen. She was at the opening of the camps. Killed, daughter was she got into such a deep depression to be suicidal. How was her daughter killed . It was a really ironic that in a way. Clare was speaking in San Francisco and anne was a student at stanford. She went up to see her mother in San Francisco. They stayed the night together and had dinner. A late sleepers because she was up half the night writing. She said, tomorrow, you go on ahead back to campus and i will join you for lunch. Ann caught a ride with a friend of hers who had a little convertible car. Theyve drove to palo alto together. It was approaching 9 00. Out of the side street which came a car at tremendous speed, somebody late for work. As they crossed the intersection, he hit the rear end of their car. Wasdoors opened and ann thrown against a tree and the car careened into the tree and squashed her against it. She was dead almost instantly. How old was she . 19. She was about to graduate early. She was graduating stanford that spring. To these oldack blackandwhite tapes of a program that aired back in the 50s. It is the best record we have of being able to see her. Lets watch some more and have you analyze her some more. The great dispute going on is to whether women are more intelligent than men. It will be interesting to see what the women do in this election because they have more votes to cast. All the polls show that women will prove they are more intelligent than men because more women are in the surveys voting for eisenhower. Why do you think more women will vote for general eisenhower . Because women have a better instinct about character. Concerned at a mental level with the issues, but they are very concerned with what kind of a man, what kind of character he has. I know that women instinctively feel enormous trust in eisenhowers capacity to lead them and their nation and their families to a better america. She is talking about character. Storiesk is full of dalliances with men and her husband, to the point where it is a bit exhausting. [laughter] when we talk about this 17 years ago about the first book, where did those folks get off thinking that they were full of moral character when they were constantly fooling around . It is a dichotomy, isnt it . People really want to be faithful i think in their relationships, but the sexual urge i suppose is very great. The opportunities arise if you are traveling and you are away from home as she was. Also, she was so beautiful and so smart and so witty. She was always irresistible to men. Richardher old age, cohen the washington colonist was at this party, and they were having coffee. At one point, she began to stroke his beard. Sn said, i have never met 80yearold an that i wanted to leap into bed with. She had this seductive quality her entire life. Her mother had it too. I was interesting in the shot you just put because she talked about thinking. Someone said, you think like a man. She said, thought has no sex. She always didnt like the idea pandering because of her sex. How many days do you think you personally spent with her . The last seven years of her life. I moved to washington to be inse because i had to work the library of congress. Also, she had an apartment at the watergate and i went to hawaii to stay with her their too. We even went to london for the anniversary of the production of the women. We went a week before it opened. We were sitting at the table and she said, there are very few plays you put on after 50 years. Possibly shakespeare. She had a sense of her own worth. What was your relationship . There is a scene near the end of her life where you are at her home and you take her into the bedroom, kiss her good night and you talk about that in the book. It sounds like you were very close. We got close because at one point she was staying at a hotel before she got her watergate apartment. She was sick and she didnt have a made. She was actually a loan. She said, could you stay with me . My husband and i moved in until the new help came. I ended up preparing her breakfast, lunch and dinner for a few days. At that point, i think she felt vulnerable. She started to open up to me about her first marriage, the death of her daughter, all of the things which affected her life. What was your number one source of this is full of quotes from her. It is full of the Actual Stories about henry luces affairs, her affairs, where did you find it all . I interviewed the lovers. Henry luce at that point had two lovers or three actually. He had a slight fling with Pamela Harriman for example. Libertyrymple who was a literary agent. He had a longtime relationship with her. She said it wasnt consummated, i have no proof of that. The third relationship certainly was. Was half campbell who his age. Before you tell that story, luce did what . He started out straight out of yale with a College Friend and together they raised money to start a magazine. It was going to be called facts and then they changed it to time. As we know, time was a huge success. He then founded life magazine and then not architectural digest, i forget the last name. It was a construction magazine which was about finance. Harry was left with the whole company and he just went from strength to strength. When he died, the euro member how much he was worth . It was over 100 million but he had given a lot of it away. He gave a lot to the henry luce foundation. He didnt have quite as much money to leave as he would have done. That would have been in the 1960s . In the late 1960s, he died. Where were the houses . That pointes, at they had houses in connecticut, phoenix, and of course a new york apartment. Usually at the waldorf. They did buy an apartment toward the end of harrys life. Here is a quote from your book. Drooped from his potbelly she cringed at the sight of harry ambling about the deck in shorts that drooped from his potbelly, faded sneakers with smearing spectacles perched on his nose. He was now so deaf that he needed a hearing aid. Harry didnt care about anything really except work. She put him together and make he was an incens ssant chainsmoker and he was always covered in ash. That she hadso old to go out and buy new ones for him. As for the sox, he was allergic to wool so he always wore silk socks. The problem was that sometimes he put he even went out in odd shoes on occasion. He cared so little about his appearance. Food too. He never cared what he ate. Did you get that from an interview . At one point,d why do i want to cling so tenaciously to this man . If you look at him, he is rude in his manners, he is disheveled. She tried to analyze it. She wrote down a lot about his faults. Campbell, who was she and where did henry luce meet her . Lady Jean Campbell was the granddaughter of lord beaverbrook. He was from canada but he founded the daily mail and the evening standard. He became lord beaverbrook. Jeans parents had multiple divorces and she was a neglected child. She clung to her grandfather and live the love of her life with her grandfather who had a house in jamaica. He kept a house in New Brunswick in canada and also a Country House and a london apartment. She was used to a luxurious life. She actually didnt have any money of her own until he died ,nd left her 500,000 pounds which seems like a lot then. As she got older, it was worth less and less. Harry and clare first met in jamaica when she went to stay with lord beaverbrook. Highly intelligent. As the years went by, harry would go to europe alone without clare and he would meet lady jean at her grandfathers houses. At one point, he just fell in love with her. Came back home and told his confidant, a woman called Mary Bancroft who was the daughter of the founder of the wall street journal. She would have liked to have had an affair but he never did it with her. He said, i really liked this girl and want to marry her. He really wanted to divorce clare and marry this 29yearold girl. Why didnt he . I dont know whether to give away the plot too much. A heavynt into depression and attempted suicide. He realized that he couldnt be responsible for that. But the affair continued off and on for many years. It had been going on for three years before clare even found out about it. It was really a true love story. She was so devastated when he told her finally, we cant be together. She wanted to have children, so she didnt want to continue the affair. In a rash moment, she went to a party and met Norman Mailer and got pregnant by him. Eventually married him. It was a shortlived marriage, only lasted a year. Harry always told her, if you ever see my picture on the cover of Time Magazine, you will know i am dead. She was trying to get over her love for henry luce. She took a cruise around the world. She got off the ship in fiji and went to a drug store and saw on the newsstand, a copy of Time Magazine with his picture on the cover. She knew that he died. Accent the by your right way, born and raised in great britain. Where did she get what sounds like an accent . Was mannerhink she born. She had very cultivated, almost british tones for her voice. Was nothing if not theatrical. She could imitate people. I think she decided that she was going to speak like an aristocratic brit. Is this the way she spoke to you when she w