Transcripts For CSPAN Senator John McCain And Foreign Leader

CSPAN Senator John McCain And Foreign Leaders Discuss The Future Of The West February 18, 2017

Panel on the end of the west, question mark, is not one were used to having here at munich. We talk about concerns the middle east, in russia, ukraine, concerns of europe. We have been there over the past years. This year they are still there, but we are asking ourselves much more fundamentally, are we being the beginning of the end of a westernled order . We know why we are asking the questions now, it is President Trump, but it is more structural than that. It has been coming along time, the rising of china, the populism in europe, the brexit, explosions in the middle east. We have to ask ourselves, umber one, can china or anyone else step in . Number two, if they cant, will we have an order without a leader and what does that mean . And number three, to the extent that u. S. Leadership is taking a big hit, can americans get it back . To answer those question is no one questions is no one better to kick it off and senator john mccain. Senator . Questions is no one better to kick it off and senator john mccain. Senator . [applause] sen. Mccain thank you. Welcome and thank you for that kind introduction, and trying to follow bono reminds me of the story of the actress Zsa Zsa Gabors fifth husband, who on her wedding night said i know what i am supposed to do, but i do not know how to make it interesting. [laughter] sen. Mccain so, anyway. Not every american understands the absolutely vital role that itsand is honorable honorable chancellor, chancellor into there playing safety of the west. But i want to say thank you. In the four decades i have repented attended this conference, i cannot think of a time when its purpose was more necessary or important. This panel asked us to consider whether the west will survive. In recent years, this question accusations of hyperbole and alarmism. Not this year. If there was ever time to treat this question with a deadly seriousness, it is now. Half aestion was asked century ago, when the founders of this conference, indeed that its first why they first started coming to munich. They did not assume that the west would survive because they had seen its near annihilation. They saw open markets give way to beggars and the poverty it imposed. They saw world order fall part two clashing Race Relations and the misery that brought. This all the great powers and the failure of deterrence and wars that follow. Awfulhe ashes of the most calamity in Human History was arriving the west. One based not on blood and soil and nationalism, but rather a value, rule of glaucoma commerce, and respect for National Sovereignty and international commerce, and respect for National Serenity and independence. Everyone whoen to honors and uphold me values. Andunprecedented security prosperity we enjoyed over the past seven decades to not did not happen by accident. Ourack our values up by power and persevered in their defense. Our predecessors did not believe in the end of history. But that it bends inevitably towards justice. That is up to us. That requires are persistent, painstaking effort, and that is why we come to you munich come to munich year after year after year. [applause] would their what generations if they saw our world today. Of it would beh all too familiar for them, and they would be alarmed by a. They would be alarmed by an increasing turn away from universal values towards old ties of blood, race, and sectarianism. They would be alarmed by the hardening resentment we see refugees,migrants, and minority groups, especially muslims. They would be alarmed by the growing inability and even unwillingness to separate truth from lies. They would be alarmed, more and more, of our fellow citizens seem to be flirting with authoritarianism and romanticizing it as our moral equivalent. But what would alarm them the most is the sense that many of our peoples, including my own country, are giving up on the west. They see it as a bad deal, we may be better off without it. A western nations still have the power to maintain our world order, it is unclear whether we have the will. All of us must except our share of blame for this turn at fury. We grew complacent, made mistakes. Too much, and it times not enough. We have lost touch with our people and spent too much time trying to response to their hardships. This does not mean losing hope and retreating, but we need to face realities. Profound concern across europe and the world that america is laying down the mantle of global readership leadership. I can only speak for myself, but i do not believe that is the message you will your from all of the american leaders who cared enough to travel here to munich this weekend. That is not the message you heard today from secretary of defense jim mattis. That is not the message you would hear from Vice President mike pence. That is not the message you would hear from john kelly, and that is certainly not the message you will hear tomorrow from our bipartisan congressional delegation. Make no mistake my friends, these are dangerous times, but you should not count america out. [applause] sen. Mccain and we should not count each other out. We must be prudent, but we cannot wring our hands and wallow in selfdoubt. We must appreciate the limits of our power, but we cannot allow ourselves to question the rightness and goodness of the west. We must learn from our mistakes, but not be paralyzed by fear. We must not give up on ourselves and each other. That is the definition of decadence, and that is how world orders really do decline and fail. That is exactly what our adversaries want. This is their goal. No meaningful allies, so they to sow dissent among us and divide us from each other. They know their power and influence are inferior to ours, so theyubvert us seek to subvert us, and terrorize us in our cassidy. Pathogenicity in our confidence of our own values. We must take our own side in this fight, be vigilant, persevere, and through it all, must not ever cease to believe in the moral superiority of our stand for, that we truth against falsehood, freedom against tierney, right against injustice, hope against tear tyrrany, right against injustice, hope against desolation. That is why we come to munich. Year in and year out, to revitalize our common moral purpose, our belief that values are worth fighting for. In the final analysis, the arrival survival of the west is not as a material struggle. It is now, and has always been, a moral struggle. Now more than ever, we must not forget this. During one of the darkest days of the early cold war, the Great American novelist william fall for William Faulkner delivered a short speech in stockholm upon receiving the nobel prize for literature. To accept the end of man, falconer said fa ulkner said, i believe that man alone will prevail. Not because he has an exhaustible voice, but because he has a soul, as youre incapable of compassion a spirit capable of compassion, and endurance. Even now, i refuse to accept the demise of the west, i refuse to accept that our latest triumph spring from the moments of greatest peril, as they have so many times before. I refuse to accept that our mauer values are morally equivalent to those of our adversaries. Im a proud, unapologetic lever in thewest believer west, i believe we must always stand up for it, for if we do not, who will . Thank you. [applause] so, everyone. It. Glad you made i think we can tell from the a spirited in defense of the west is something that resonates well with the spirit throatedited and full speech in defense of the west is something that resonates well with the spirit. Advertisement was family help us work through these a very distinguished panel will help us work through these topics. Have several president s and that of commissions and foreign ministers, and they will give us some quick opening views about the extent to which they believe that the western order is under threat, and the locations of that. Implications of and and we will have a fairly lively discussion amongst ourselves and the rest of you. At the end, i am bringing the Chinese Foreign minister here, because how could you include a concluded discussion about the future of the west without china . Lets start with you. Please, sir. Ok. It is not the first time i have taken part in a discussion where the participants have to confront the question will the west survive . Who expect to witness the downfall of the west, i would like to dedicate the words of mark twain. The reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated. But this is not about finding clever answers to questions, it is about finding Effective Solutions and implement them in. What we are really going through , experiencing in the following years, perhaps even months, depends entirely on our actions. I firmly believe that in order to consider the future of the west in terms of combat rather than a downfall come back rather than a downfall, there have to be a few conditions. First, we need unity. Second, we need responsibility. Opinion, the duty four of the future of europeans for a good future for europeans, also for the world. Always been strongest when we are united. Unity is the backbone of our strength and security. Back, itst is to come can only come back unified. If the west is to fall down, it will fall down in parts. As the president of poland, i know very well that the divisions of the west have not caused any [indiscernible] two central europe. But this is for it to be a part of the united western world. The latest district of our unity, as a result of the latest nato summit, resolve must be fully implemented. It is the matter of our defense and deterrence capabilities. Only when we are strong, we can enter these bylaws. The basis of our strength is the transatlantic bond. We must not regretfully put it into question. It is our task to engage with the new u. S. Administration in a way that is to preserve the common interests of the euro atlantic community. By common interests, i mean security. We all realize that the consequences of a potential destabilization in europe would be felt on both sides of the atlantic. Aboutrmore, when we speak euro atlantic unity, we cannot avoid the discussion of brexit. They have left the you the eu, but it is in our best interest to not abandon the European Security architecture. To frame the common Defense Security policy in a way that would compel british citizens to actively participate. Apart from unity, it is a Responsive Government that has strength,n, as far as the best. I meanas responsiveness, the capability to react to the citizens word, their expectations. Nowadays, so many people experience a lack of trust of state institutions and government. Because thel elite will to look at the elections with fear rather than hope. Practice of democratically elected governments is being put into question. The west is reactionary in a traditional stance of that word. Resemblesical class the court of louis the 16th of france and the aristocracy on the eve of the french revolution. The point of political change can be felt throughout the western world. The political elite should not try to stop this change, because it is inevitable. On the contrary, they should turn their attention toward engaging it, so that the effects of this are instructive constructive rather than destructive. I believe this is one of the Biggest Challenges facing the western political class. If you want the west to come back, we need to tackle this challenge effectively. Lets face it. Interesting interested in saving the western world. We need to be honest with ourselves. The west has enemies. Divided, to be they want us to be divided, they also want the elite to be detached from the people they represent. The is why we must reaffirm cohesion of the western community, but also and perhaps equally importantly, we must be able to respond to the hospital policing and debt hostile policing and breaking our unity aimed at breaking our unity. We cannot allow ourselves, the western world, to be afraid, as the senator said. We should not fear to use all the strength at our disposal against our enemies, which is what i wish for all of us. Thank you. To president hers and go the president , you heard to the importance of the unity of the west. At thisrtainly no one panel who has suffered more from the disunity of the west and you. Then you, and i hope we can talk about the way you think west is going. What is yours . Thank you. Thank you for having me here. I would like to thank you all for the years of many opportunities to have these questions discussed. I would like to think chancellor merkel and the whole leader of the European Union for their personal involvement in the process to make europe safer and to bring peace on the soil. Let me start with a famous quote from the year 1938. I believe it is a feast for our and we thank you for the bottom of our hearts from the bottom of our hearts. Nice, white get a sleep. And a quarter he these are the words of Neville Chamberlain and of quote. These are the words of never change Neville Chamberlain at the end of the munich pact. The knot is would not have any territorial claims in europe. Wase all know, appeasement the wrong thing to do. One should not believe in the goodwill of someone who is proved themselves have no goodwill. But do we know what was the right thing to do back there . Probably staying in a strong unity. , this is a historic 1938. From an appeal from all of the people that had to die in the following had abecause someone nice, quiet sleep at the wrong time. The appeasement policies in regards to aggressive russia is not the mainstream in the western policies. Increasinglyar excessive calls for some degree of appeasement towards russia obsessive calls for some degree of appeasement toward russia. To do that would be naive, wrong, and dangerous, not only for the ukraine but also for the Europe Alliance and the world. Elijah why. Allow me to explain why. Quite hates the ukraine deeply and sincerely. He denies the unique identity of the ukrainian people. He publicly proclaimed ukrainian identity as a part of russias dominance identity. Hes is no place for ukraine onsees no place for ukraine the political map of europe. But it would be a mistake to think that the russians appetite s are limited to the ukraine only. Let me remind you. One year in november, the president took part in the ceremony of Award Winners by the russian geographical association. Re does russian border where the russian where do the russian borders and . End. The boy gave the right answer, but corrected him and him andputin corrected said russias borders and nowhere. Later he said it was a joke, but it was not a joke. Union, beyondn their market, they had already felt this in action. There is only one time and one place that counted this doctrine down and [indiscernible] and the time is now. The place is ukraine. [applause] this is a absolutely distort chance for all of us. Above all, this is a historic chance for the munich administration and summit of translating unity, transatlantic unity, and i have a lot of confidence after having spoken with the new secretary of state, Rex Tillerson, who confirmed our unities. And, as senator mccain did as well, our solidarity. This is what we need right now. This is a unique window ,pportunity of opportunity but if the window gets too small in time, opportunity will still be available. My ukraines only thing is country decided to leave independently, and stand for freedom and democracy. We want freedom, and russia wants to punish us for that. I want to be able to represent here my 45 million nation of european people. On their behalf, let me assure you that we never agreed that someone or somewhere where it undermine [indiscernible] handled decisively by millions of ukrainians who have already proved the ability to fight for their independence. We have no intention to give up, and i ready to defend our country am ready to defend our country. Nothing is ukraine without ukraine. Any deal with put behind ukraine will only putin behind ukraine will only aggravate the situation. Supporting ukraine is the only way to stop this aggression and bring us back to respecting international and global ball. Law. Is our commitment to peace and civility a lot greater than we have received in return. This is a great example, because the ukraine was the third ukraine was the third Biggest Nuclear nation in the world. We voluntarily gave up on the third Biggest Nuclear arsenal, and support in the ukraine is the cheaper conversion insecurity of the free world. The tools are there. First, it is not encouraging for us for the chancellor to community to keep satlantic community second, there is nothing more sobering than the result of the west to importing frontlines. Sections were our efforts, not liabilities. For our effort, not liabilities. They are a manifestation of our weakness in the rollback. Put diplomatic pressure on russia, assaulting the sanction crimea would be encouraged by aggression. Why would i have to speak like that you go in the lot that . In the last 24 hours, my nation lost three soldiers. 12 were wounded. Russian artillery hit the civilian quarter, and one civilian was killed by Russian Artillery in the last 24 hours. Two more were wounded. We have to understand what price we pay now, and third, there is nothing more inspiring than an eu. And inclusive the european project is much more resilient than the kremlin imagines. The values enshrined in the heart of this project, exceeded will notforbearers, intimidate europeans. Theine has the belief that stronger it is, the stronger europe. The thing i can say now is that we are the most optimistic nation on the european continent, and i am proud to be the leader of such optimistic nation under present conditions. Lets not repeat dramatically stakes of the past omatic ofsed dramatic mistakes the past, but instead consolidate our unities and in solidarity, and this is how we can gain peace in our time and go home together at night, for a nice, quiet sleep. Thank you. [applause] lets head to boris johnson. To an extent, the ukrainians are themost optimistic of european project, but the bar has gotten lower. Let me say something. Say, what a pleasure it is to be here listening to you, and i think we are all very moved by the tragedy that is unfolding elsewhere in your country. It goes without saying, but it is worth saying anyways, the United Kingdom is

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