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CSPAN Washington Journal Mark Bray Discusses Role Of The Antifa Movement August 26, 2017

Of the, a discussion role of antifascist groups at recent demonstrations around the country. This is about 25 minutes. Welcome back. We are going to speak with mark about the antifa movement. Handbook. Thank you for being with us this morning. Guest a pleasure. Host what is your relationship to the movement . Guest sure, im a longtime activist and historian. I was involved in occupy wall street in new york city back in 2011. Involved in a variety of social justice movements. With the resurgence of the old right, there is actually relatively little written about postwar antifascism after world war ii. Socialist, think the they fought against hitler and mussolini, but they know less about the second half of the story when selfdefense groups were formed in britain and germany, among immigrants and leftists to defend themselves against the neonazi skinhead wave that was unleashed in response to waves of migration and how it moved over to the United States with the development of antiracist action. And it continued through today in the movement we are seeing now. Host , including the president have associated antifa with violent acts. The think the association is warranted . Guest what people mess is the vast majority of what antifascist it was not violent. Is nonviolent. They track them across various social media platforms, figure out who they are organizing with, where events will be held, a phone call to the owners of hotels to get them to cancel the event. They spread popular education. There is a variety of tactics that do not involve any sort of confrontation, with the media focuses on the spectacle. The other part of it is the antifascism is an argument for selfdefense collectively against the proven historical perils of White Supremacy and fascism so they dont shy away from asserting their rights and the legitimacy of defending themselves. Host how is the group funded . How did members of the organization interact or communicate with one another . Guest it isnt one specific group. It is more of an activity or a politic, a social revolution of revolutionism. They sometimes coordinate. Where a a Torch Network number of north american antifascist groups coordinate and share resources and information. Generally they are autonomous. They dont usually have a lot of money. The Conspiracy Theory is entirely inapplicable in this case. Im sure they develop their own source of funds for materials and so forth. Host the first time i heard of this group with relation to the charlottesville protest. You mention it is been around a lot longer in the u. S. Help us understand that. Guest antifascism as a movement has existed globally for a century. In the u. S. You can look in the 20s and 30s to conflict within italianamerican communities, within germanamerican communities, jewish selfdefense organizations forming in response to nazi organizations in the u. S. We can look at the late 1980s and 1990s with the formation of antiracist action, who essentially developed in response to neonazi skinhead attacks on punk venues in alternative scenes. They grew into Broader Networks that defended reproductive rights, did a wide variety of organizing against the far right, and more broadly speaking opposition to the kkk and the black liberation struggles needs for organizing against the far right was prominent in the 50s, 60s and onward and date back percent threes. Base back a century. Host President Trump called out antifa for protesting at his rally. The may this remark after some in the crowd interrupted his each. [video] President Trump how did he get in there . He is supposed to be with the people outside. How about all the fear talking about the massive crowds that will be outside. Where are they . It is hot out. It is hot. I think it is too warm. They show up in the helmets in the black masks and they have close and everything. Antifa. Host had a you respond to that . Point donalds trump has lost any sense of credibility on making much of a comment on anything in my opinion. Certainly he is trying to discredit a certain faction of the Antiracist Movement which has asserted the legitimacy of collective selfdefense. The thing to remember is that when it comes to facing some of the most deadly people in society when he to be ready to do that. That is what antifascists are you and are prepared to do. Sometimes you guys dont wear white. Host there is Dartmouth University put out a statement in relation to your book. We condemn anything but civil discourse in the exchange of ideas and opinions. Dartmouth embraces free speech. All on our campus enjoy the pursuit of better learning and understanding. However the endorsement of violence is contrary to dartmouth values. Are you endorsing violence in your writing about this group . What you make of that statement . Guest i have been very clear favor oftly i am in collective selfdefense against neonazis and white supremacists. As a historian, as an activist, as a jewish descendent of victims of the holocaust i think its very clear the historical record and historical need to do so. Madestatement was from an over subrogation of my comments by the far right media. To my knowledge there is a petition signed by over 100 dartmouth faculty in support of my academic freedom. Certainly im in favor of free speech. The greatest enemy of free speech are fascists. Host mary, from pennsylvania, democrat. Good morning. Caller good morning. I really admire mr. Bray. The american soldiers of world war ii were the First American antifascist. Is important to push back by putting their physical bodies between violent fascists and their victims. Antifa is accused of being violent only because they are provoked. Thank you. In, are you going to weigh mark . Guest sure. I agree we have seen historically the threat that fascism and not s nazis imposed. Putting our bodies between fascists and vulnerable members of society is important. We saw with the tragic death of heather heyer. What were talking about is not that collocated. Were talking about the threat of neonazis and white supremacists. When you to be prepared for them. Host were talking with mark bray. Republicans can call. Democrats all 202 7488000. S independent call 202 7488002. We are taking your tweets as well. Mr. Bray is exactly what antifa should be, unflappable and not given a provocation. Mel from new york on the line for independents. Caller i cant help but think of the english social critic who said that fascism and communism are the same show. Therefore fascism is on the left. Is really not a rightwing movement. Fascism controls people. Notice how the antifascists also want to control. They will introduce themselves, even in a violent way, as was on display in berkeley, california. You see this movement trying to impugn the right. The neonazis are actually left wing. National socialist party. That is leftwing. Somethingf words is the public is to be very careful on in discerning how language is being used because the antifascists are leftwing, and the fascism is leftwing as well. The antifascists are those on the right who support the constitution. Who want the free market. Who believe in equal justice for all, not equal outcomes for all. Guest thank you for that. I can save the history of fascism that there is no credible historian who believes fascism is a leftwing ideology. Than a debate is whether fascism is a rightwing all the elegy rightwing ideology. Early fascists may claim to be the true socialists and argued National Socialism could essentially you socialist principles in the interest of the nation. Socialists are consistently antinational and in favor of class struggle rather the national unification. When socialists rather fascists had gained power, they jettisoned and discarded any trappings of socialism or egalitarianism. They are fundamentally different. It is really an attempt by the thetwing to mar historical record. You can make the record rightwing libertarianism is from from fascism, by fascism is by no means a leftwing mode of thought. Host cynthia from new york, new york, a democrat. Caller hi. I became a democrat to support bernie sanders. I hung around after because you have two be a democrat to vote in the primaries. That the only game in town in new york. Aside from that, we are talking about antifa. When i was in new york in the 1980s we had big skinhead movements. To burn a flag in Washington Square park on july4, the year there having the controversy in taxes over the communist burning the flag. This is a free speech support kind of demonstration. Force. Is showed up in they march in formation around the park. Beat me to the ground by the media took pictures and the cops pointed and laughed. There was a big story in the Village Voice the next week saying there has been a deal between the police and the skinheads at a time. That got me involved in antifascism. I kept doing it for some years until i got pregnant with my first child. Then they threatened to cut the baby out of my stomach if the turn of the have a black father. I went into hiding. Fortunately others are taken up the cause. I want to thank you. That is really all i have to say. Host lets go to keep from florida keith from florida, an independent. Caller i have a comment or two. One for cspan1 for your guest. Yes, im with you that the neonazis are racists, but the leftwing in their Historical Perspective such as russia killed as many jews as germany did during world war ii, it just took them longer. Stali was very antijewishn and racist. Leftists have no moral ground, high ground, or whatever you say. During theng is campaign for the presidency in this election cycle, trump versus hillary, the democrats put people in trumps crowd to cause a disturbance. That is a wreck fascist handbook from the 1920s and 1930s when hitler took power. The leftists and the rightists have no moral high ground. That will include you in your book. And your book. Guest a couple of things to address. First, item clearly in all my right antistalinist. I make no effort to defend stolen. Number 2 to defend stalin. For a fascist group is a fascist action. It differs from the Classical Liberal notion of solving social problems to the legit free market of ideas. Politics areberal essentially the same for the kind of motive extremism that is very popular, to essentially normalize the center and equate isis with anarchists which is a historical and lacking any sort of content, the notion of what defines fascism and disrupting speeches is missing the point of fascism as an authoritarian doctrineierarchical that is killed millions of people. I think disrupting a fascist event does not in any way and you are a fascist, you are just not going to go with a liberal playbook in defeating fascism which we have seen fail in the 20s, 30s and 40s. Host we should establish a definition. What is fascism in the way you describe it . Guest sure. Fascism is notoriously difficult to define. They have adopted and discarded ideas more readily than probably any other ideology. It really grows out of the prioritization of the nation or the race over Everything Else in a perceived social darwinian struggle for survival. Entails the glorification of violence, masculinity and cult of personality and focuses on class collaboration and unifying the working class and the upper class in the interest of the nation. s differs fundamentally from left politics, which tends to remote class struggle in the interests of the working class. I will point out that antifascists organizing is the far right more broadly, not just against text with fascists. Textbook fascists. Host lewis from new jersey on the line for republicans. Caller good morning. Sir, your organization mirrors wasnazis when hitler gaining power, the brownshirts. You intimidate people, youd be people of, you disrupt meetings. Where do you get off . I was in antitrump guy. I have seen your guys spit on children, pepper spray women, attack people from behind and run away. You guys are wearing brown shirts in a mask. Where do you get off . You are against free speech. If you dont if they dont agree with you, you beat them up. Thank you, sir. Guest percival i am not a member first of all, i am not a member of antifa groups. I want to point out once again this routing a far right event does not there for me you are far right. Historically we can see how antifascists have used a variety of tactics to disrupt meetings in the 20s and 30s. They would if altright events and have singing protest over the speaker. There are a variety of tactics to do this. Illiberalntails politics. There are clear political differences. To his politics to tactics is a historical and a political. See who it is carried out against. Oklahoma,from ohio a democrat. Caller good morning to you. Good subject you are covering. The name of the town is taliqua. It is the cherokee capital. The cherokee tribe is the largest native american tribe left in the country. Just wanted to mention that. We are between tulsa in fayetteville in the beautiful hills of northeastern oklahoma. Mr. Preciate you, antifascists. [laughter] was the fine antifascism in the modern sense. And the current sense of the word you have to be opposed to prohibition on cannabis if you are antifascist, and opposed to jim crow culture that came along with keeping the American Farmer down and keeping the black and the hippies from having their weed. And everyone having their homegrown medicine. Plants speak to that issue if youre truly antifascist. Guest i can assure you that antifascists are against decriminalization of marijuana. I can assure you that confidently. Tom from euless, texas. Caller good morning and thank you for taking my call. Antifa is nothing but a violent america hating communist terrorist cell infested with nothing but violent cockroaches and vermin. Every single cockroach in vermin in antifa, they have got to be exterminated. I am not going to comment on the. Host jesse from indiana on the line for independents. Caller artist wanted to call. This gentleman, if i sent my child to dartmouth to receive an education and this gentleman where to be the one to educate them, i would be really upset that i wasted all that tuition. He has no idea what fascism is, has no clue. He sat there just a while ago and said, and set of looking at the act of violence you need to look at who the act is perpetrated against ny. Fascism is simple. It is not a difficult concept. You have a group in power. They use violence to push their agenda. That is exactly what antifa does. That is not hard. Orwells 1984, he was a socialist the recognized the inherent problems in the proletarian society. You ought to have your guests it proletarian society would work with fascism and how it works with socialism and communism and see if he can find the difference. I think you have a difficult time. He is ridiculous. Im sure his book is ridiculous and i would be upset if i spent money to send my child the dartmouth to listen to him. All, what youf are describing is fascism is where group rules society interposes rule enforces what the state does, regardless of which state, police forces, prisons, military. Could you are against that rule, you may be an anarchist. The differences between fascist control and the soviet socialist control. I am not a stalinist, neither was george orwell. s critique was against an authoritarian society which is what i am against and many antifascists are against. Fascism cannot something be reduced to state control. It has a very specific a story and context, having less to do with the immediate aftermath of world war i with the response to society to a perceived decadence in response to the growth of booze walked capitalism. You cant reduce essentially to the control of a specific group over a state, which is what states are. Host cynthia from fort lauderdale, florida on the line for democrats. Caller good morning and thank you for having this discussion. I think it is very relevant to what is going on in the United States right now. I am totally a supporter of resistance to the altright. They are a threat to our liberty. I saw an interview this week between an antifa leader in a white supremacist. Was i understand this does not represent the movement, but it does harm to the movement and resistance to fascism in america when you have someone advocating violence like this woman was. I want to mention that. We have to repeatedly say this is a nonviolent selfdefense for the country. Is should be selfdefense. In any selfdefense situation you cannot throw the first rock or initiate violence. You can only protect yourself. Thank you. Guest thank you for that. The antifascist argument is understanding selfdefense and also in a preemptive sense. Looking back at history and seeing by the time world war ii started it was already too late for many people. And realizing the most effective way to stop the advance of fascism is when it is small and initialee mussolinis nucleus had only 100 members at first and being able to stop its advance at that point. People need to be prepared for that and also attended to the potential danger of what this represents. Is currently a lecturer at dartmouth college. s book is antifa cspans washington andnal, live with issues news the impact you. Bennett andhyllis ik discuss the trump administrations Foreign Policy and the presents recent speech on afghanistan the president s recent speech on afghanistan. And brian mcgrath, for former naval officer, no of the hudson institute, talks about recent collisions involving u. S. Warships. Be sure to watch cspans washington journal. Join the discussion. When you think about the National Book festival, with all day,ese authors, there all over 100,000 people coming in and celebrate books and reading, you cannot have a better time, i think. I am a little prejudiced because i am a librarian but i have to tell you, if anybody wants to get inspired, the book festival is a perfect place. All daytvs lives coverage begins saturday, september 2 starting at 10 a. M. Eastern with featured authors including Pulitzer Prize winning authors David Mccullough and formerfriedman, secretary of state Condoleezza Rice and Michael Lewis and jd vance. Festival,al book live, saturday, september 2 starting at 10 a. M. Eastern on cspan twos book tv. Next, a discussion on some of the ethical challenges facing journalists. Then, how data from social media sites is being used in politics. After that, a discussion on United States<\/a> with the development of antiracist action. And it continued through today in the movement we are seeing now. Host , including the president have associated antifa with violent acts. The think the association is warranted . Guest what people mess is the vast majority of what antifascist it was not violent. Is nonviolent. They track them across various social media platforms, figure out who they are organizing with, where events will be held, a phone call to the owners of hotels to get them to cancel the event. They spread popular education. There is a variety of tactics that do not involve any sort of confrontation, with the media focuses on the spectacle. The other part of it is the antifascism is an argument for selfdefense collectively against the proven historical perils of White Supremacy<\/a> and fascism so they dont shy away from asserting their rights and the legitimacy of defending themselves. Host how is the group funded . How did members of the organization interact or communicate with one another . Guest it isnt one specific group. It is more of an activity or a politic, a social revolution of revolutionism. They sometimes coordinate. Where a a Torch Network<\/a> number of north american antifascist groups coordinate and share resources and information. Generally they are autonomous. They dont usually have a lot of money. The Conspiracy Theory<\/a> is entirely inapplicable in this case. Im sure they develop their own source of funds for materials and so forth. Host the first time i heard of this group with relation to the charlottesville protest. You mention it is been around a lot longer in the u. S. Help us understand that. Guest antifascism as a movement has existed globally for a century. In the u. S. You can look in the 20s and 30s to conflict within italianamerican communities, within germanamerican communities, jewish selfdefense organizations forming in response to nazi organizations in the u. S. We can look at the late 1980s and 1990s with the formation of antiracist action, who essentially developed in response to neonazi skinhead attacks on punk venues in alternative scenes. They grew into Broader Networks<\/a> that defended reproductive rights, did a wide variety of organizing against the far right, and more broadly speaking opposition to the kkk and the black liberation struggles needs for organizing against the far right was prominent in the 50s, 60s and onward and date back percent threes. Base back a century. Host President Trump<\/a> called out antifa for protesting at his rally. The may this remark after some in the crowd interrupted his each. [video] President Trump<\/a> how did he get in there . He is supposed to be with the people outside. How about all the fear talking about the massive crowds that will be outside. Where are they . It is hot out. It is hot. I think it is too warm. They show up in the helmets in the black masks and they have close and everything. Antifa. Host had a you respond to that . Point donalds trump has lost any sense of credibility on making much of a comment on anything in my opinion. Certainly he is trying to discredit a certain faction of the Antiracist Movement<\/a> which has asserted the legitimacy of collective selfdefense. The thing to remember is that when it comes to facing some of the most deadly people in society when he to be ready to do that. That is what antifascists are you and are prepared to do. Sometimes you guys dont wear white. Host there is Dartmouth University<\/a> put out a statement in relation to your book. We condemn anything but civil discourse in the exchange of ideas and opinions. Dartmouth embraces free speech. All on our campus enjoy the pursuit of better learning and understanding. However the endorsement of violence is contrary to dartmouth values. Are you endorsing violence in your writing about this group . What you make of that statement . Guest i have been very clear favor oftly i am in collective selfdefense against neonazis and white supremacists. As a historian, as an activist, as a jewish descendent of victims of the holocaust i think its very clear the historical record and historical need to do so. Madestatement was from an over subrogation of my comments by the far right media. To my knowledge there is a petition signed by over 100 dartmouth faculty in support of my academic freedom. Certainly im in favor of free speech. The greatest enemy of free speech are fascists. Host mary, from pennsylvania, democrat. Good morning. Caller good morning. I really admire mr. Bray. The american soldiers of world war ii were the First American<\/a> antifascist. Is important to push back by putting their physical bodies between violent fascists and their victims. Antifa is accused of being violent only because they are provoked. Thank you. In, are you going to weigh mark . Guest sure. I agree we have seen historically the threat that fascism and not s nazis imposed. Putting our bodies between fascists and vulnerable members of society is important. We saw with the tragic death of heather heyer. What were talking about is not that collocated. Were talking about the threat of neonazis and white supremacists. When you to be prepared for them. Host were talking with mark bray. Republicans can call. Democrats all 202 7488000. S independent call 202 7488002. We are taking your tweets as well. Mr. Bray is exactly what antifa should be, unflappable and not given a provocation. Mel from new york on the line for independents. Caller i cant help but think of the english social critic who said that fascism and communism are the same show. Therefore fascism is on the left. Is really not a rightwing movement. Fascism controls people. Notice how the antifascists also want to control. They will introduce themselves, even in a violent way, as was on display in berkeley, california. You see this movement trying to impugn the right. The neonazis are actually left wing. National socialist party. That is leftwing. Somethingf words is the public is to be very careful on in discerning how language is being used because the antifascists are leftwing, and the fascism is leftwing as well. The antifascists are those on the right who support the constitution. Who want the free market. Who believe in equal justice for all, not equal outcomes for all. Guest thank you for that. I can save the history of fascism that there is no credible historian who believes fascism is a leftwing ideology. Than a debate is whether fascism is a rightwing all the elegy rightwing ideology. Early fascists may claim to be the true socialists and argued National Socialism<\/a> could essentially you socialist principles in the interest of the nation. Socialists are consistently antinational and in favor of class struggle rather the national unification. When socialists rather fascists had gained power, they jettisoned and discarded any trappings of socialism or egalitarianism. They are fundamentally different. It is really an attempt by the thetwing to mar historical record. You can make the record rightwing libertarianism is from from fascism, by fascism is by no means a leftwing mode of thought. Host cynthia from new york, new york, a democrat. Caller hi. I became a democrat to support bernie sanders. I hung around after because you have two be a democrat to vote in the primaries. That the only game in town in new york. Aside from that, we are talking about antifa. When i was in new york in the 1980s we had big skinhead movements. To burn a flag in Washington Square<\/a> park on july4, the year there having the controversy in taxes over the communist burning the flag. This is a free speech support kind of demonstration. Force. Is showed up in they march in formation around the park. Beat me to the ground by the media took pictures and the cops pointed and laughed. There was a big story in the Village Voice<\/a> the next week saying there has been a deal between the police and the skinheads at a time. That got me involved in antifascism. I kept doing it for some years until i got pregnant with my first child. Then they threatened to cut the baby out of my stomach if the turn of the have a black father. I went into hiding. Fortunately others are taken up the cause. I want to thank you. That is really all i have to say. Host lets go to keep from florida keith from florida, an independent. Caller i have a comment or two. One for cspan1 for your guest. Yes, im with you that the neonazis are racists, but the leftwing in their Historical Perspective<\/a> such as russia killed as many jews as germany did during world war ii, it just took them longer. Stali was very antijewishn and racist. Leftists have no moral ground, high ground, or whatever you say. During theng is campaign for the presidency in this election cycle, trump versus hillary, the democrats put people in trumps crowd to cause a disturbance. That is a wreck fascist handbook from the 1920s and 1930s when hitler took power. The leftists and the rightists have no moral high ground. That will include you in your book. And your book. Guest a couple of things to address. First, item clearly in all my right antistalinist. I make no effort to defend stolen. Number 2 to defend stalin. For a fascist group is a fascist action. It differs from the Classical Liberal<\/a> notion of solving social problems to the legit free market of ideas. Politics areberal essentially the same for the kind of motive extremism that is very popular, to essentially normalize the center and equate isis with anarchists which is a historical and lacking any sort of content, the notion of what defines fascism and disrupting speeches is missing the point of fascism as an authoritarian doctrineierarchical that is killed millions of people. I think disrupting a fascist event does not in any way and you are a fascist, you are just not going to go with a liberal playbook in defeating fascism which we have seen fail in the 20s, 30s and 40s. Host we should establish a definition. What is fascism in the way you describe it . Guest sure. Fascism is notoriously difficult to define. They have adopted and discarded ideas more readily than probably any other ideology. It really grows out of the prioritization of the nation or the race over Everything Else<\/a> in a perceived social darwinian struggle for survival. Entails the glorification of violence, masculinity and cult of personality and focuses on class collaboration and unifying the working class and the upper class in the interest of the nation. s differs fundamentally from left politics, which tends to remote class struggle in the interests of the working class. I will point out that antifascists organizing is the far right more broadly, not just against text with fascists. Textbook fascists. Host lewis from new jersey on the line for republicans. Caller good morning. Sir, your organization mirrors wasnazis when hitler gaining power, the brownshirts. You intimidate people, youd be people of, you disrupt meetings. Where do you get off . I was in antitrump guy. I have seen your guys spit on children, pepper spray women, attack people from behind and run away. You guys are wearing brown shirts in a mask. Where do you get off . You are against free speech. If you dont if they dont agree with you, you beat them up. Thank you, sir. Guest percival i am not a member first of all, i am not a member of antifa groups. I want to point out once again this routing a far right event does not there for me you are far right. Historically we can see how antifascists have used a variety of tactics to disrupt meetings in the 20s and 30s. They would if altright events and have singing protest over the speaker. There are a variety of tactics to do this. Illiberalntails politics. There are clear political differences. To his politics to tactics is a historical and a political. See who it is carried out against. Oklahoma,from ohio a democrat. Caller good morning to you. Good subject you are covering. The name of the town is taliqua. It is the cherokee capital. The cherokee tribe is the largest native american tribe left in the country. Just wanted to mention that. We are between tulsa in fayetteville in the beautiful hills of northeastern oklahoma. Mr. Preciate you, antifascists. [laughter] was the fine antifascism in the modern sense. And the current sense of the word you have to be opposed to prohibition on cannabis if you are antifascist, and opposed to jim crow culture that came along with keeping the American Farmer<\/a> down and keeping the black and the hippies from having their weed. And everyone having their homegrown medicine. Plants speak to that issue if youre truly antifascist. Guest i can assure you that antifascists are against decriminalization of marijuana. I can assure you that confidently. Tom from euless, texas. Caller good morning and thank you for taking my call. Antifa is nothing but a violent america hating communist terrorist cell infested with nothing but violent cockroaches and vermin. Every single cockroach in vermin in antifa, they have got to be exterminated. I am not going to comment on the. Host jesse from indiana on the line for independents. Caller artist wanted to call. This gentleman, if i sent my child to dartmouth to receive an education and this gentleman where to be the one to educate them, i would be really upset that i wasted all that tuition. He has no idea what fascism is, has no clue. He sat there just a while ago and said, and set of looking at the act of violence you need to look at who the act is perpetrated against ny. Fascism is simple. It is not a difficult concept. You have a group in power. They use violence to push their agenda. That is exactly what antifa does. That is not hard. Orwells 1984, he was a socialist the recognized the inherent problems in the proletarian society. You ought to have your guests it proletarian society would work with fascism and how it works with socialism and communism and see if he can find the difference. I think you have a difficult time. He is ridiculous. Im sure his book is ridiculous and i would be upset if i spent money to send my child the dartmouth to listen to him. All, what youf are describing is fascism is where group rules society interposes rule enforces what the state does, regardless of which state, police forces, prisons, military. Could you are against that rule, you may be an anarchist. The differences between fascist control and the soviet socialist control. I am not a stalinist, neither was george orwell. s critique was against an authoritarian society which is what i am against and many antifascists are against. Fascism cannot something be reduced to state control. It has a very specific a story and context, having less to do with the immediate aftermath of world war i with the response to society to a perceived decadence in response to the growth of booze walked capitalism. You cant reduce essentially to the control of a specific group over a state, which is what states are. Host cynthia from fort lauderdale, florida on the line for democrats. Caller good morning and thank you for having this discussion. I think it is very relevant to what is going on in the United States<\/a> right now. I am totally a supporter of resistance to the altright. They are a threat to our liberty. I saw an interview this week between an antifa leader in a white supremacist. Was i understand this does not represent the movement, but it does harm to the movement and resistance to fascism in america when you have someone advocating violence like this woman was. I want to mention that. We have to repeatedly say this is a nonviolent selfdefense for the country. Is should be selfdefense. In any selfdefense situation you cannot throw the first rock or initiate violence. You can only protect yourself. Thank you. Guest thank you for that. The antifascist argument is understanding selfdefense and also in a preemptive sense. Looking back at history and seeing by the time world war ii started it was already too late for many people. And realizing the most effective way to stop the advance of fascism is when it is small and initialee mussolinis nucleus had only 100 members at first and being able to stop its advance at that point. People need to be prepared for that and also attended to the potential danger of what this represents. Is currently a lecturer at dartmouth college. s book is antifa cspans washington andnal, live with issues news the impact you. Bennett andhyllis ik discuss the trump administrations Foreign Policy<\/a> and the presents recent speech on afghanistan the president s recent speech on afghanistan. And brian mcgrath, for former naval officer, no of the hudson institute, talks about recent collisions involving u. S. Warships. Be sure to watch cspans washington journal. Join the discussion. When you think about the National Book<\/a> festival, with all day,ese authors, there all over 100,000 people coming in and celebrate books and reading, you cannot have a better time, i think. I am a little prejudiced because i am a librarian but i have to tell you, if anybody wants to get inspired, the book festival is a perfect place. All daytvs lives coverage begins saturday, september 2 starting at 10 a. M. Eastern with featured authors including Pulitzer Prize<\/a> winning authors David Mccullough<\/a> and formerfriedman, secretary of state Condoleezza Rice<\/a> and Michael Lewis<\/a> and jd vance. Festival,al book live, saturday, september 2 starting at 10 a. M. Eastern on cspan twos book tv. Next, a discussion on some of the ethical challenges facing journalists. Then, how data from social media sites is being used in politics. After that, a discussion on President Trump<\/a>s new strategy in afghanistan. Now, a discussion about some of the ethical challenges facing journalists in the media age. Posted by the chautauqua society, this is about one hour and 15 minutes long. 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