Over the past 38 years at the nadh, i have had the enormous privilege of serving under and advising seven president of the United States beginning with president Ronald Reagan on Infectious Diseases and threats including hivaids, west nile virus, the anthrax attacks, endemic influenza, ebola and zika among others and course, most recently, the covid19 pandemic. I am particularly proud to have served to president joe biden. While i am moving on from my current position, i am not retiring. After more than 50 years of Government Service, i plan to pursue the next phase of my career while i still have so much energy and passion for my field. That is a statement yesterday from dr. Fauci. We want to ask your thoughts on the Doctors Service to the country over the course of 50 years. 202 7488001 for republicans. Democrats 202 7488000. And independents 202 7488002. On msnbc last night, dr. Fauci participated in an interview and talked about the lessons he learned while dealing with covid. [video clip] in some respects, the situation has eroded, and i think it has in the sense of neglecting of the capabilities of the local Public Health officials. Because if you want to respond to an emerging infection, you do need leadership from above. You need Central Support from the government. But at the local level, you also have to have the kind of resources that will allow you to respond. What we learned, and i hope were still learning, a very important lesson from covid, that you never, ever underestimate an emerging infection in which you do not know where it is going, because we have been fooled before. We did not fully appreciate the magnitude of hiv in the early 1980s when i first got involved in the first kisses were recognized, and so many things and the first cases were recognized, and so many things were learned on the run with covid. As the months went by, some things we thought in the beginning turned out to not be the case which forced us to adapt and change some policies and recommendations. That was interpreted by many as flipflopping or not really knowing what is going on, but it really was the evolution of the science. So one of the lessons that i hope we learn is that we have got to be prepared, have got to be able to respond, but we have also got to be flexible. Some military colleagues have told us it is kind of like when you are at a war, you can plan what you are going to do, but when the bullets go off and the cannons start firing, then it becomes the fog of war, and you have to be flexible enough to respond. Host that is dr. Fauci in that msnbc interview from yesterday. Alan starts us off from brooklyn, new york, democrat line. Go ahead. Caller first of all, it is an honor to be speaking with dr. Fauci in any capacity or reason for what he has done for our country. To broaden the scope of the topic, the assault on truth he seems to have been facing during the entire time he was trying to save american lives by using his expertise to address the recent pandemic. I see an analogy between the denial of truth of the science that he has been making available to the public and the denial of truth about democracy in general. Many people disparaging the integrity or truth of elections or election officials. I am just wondering if he has any comment on the idea that there is an analogy between this kind of disparagement of fundamental processes in the country, health and elections, and food libel laws from the late 1980s. Host back to dr. Fauci, what do you think will be the contribution he has made . Caller i think that he has, by his example of total integrity and honesty in attempting to speak based upon evidence and not upon any kind of bias or opinion, he has host oh, that was the first caller from illinois from brooklyn. This is carla from wayne city, illinois, republican line. Caller yeah, i think dr. Fauci is a coward. He does not want to face the music from congress. I believe that he knew about the coronavirus and do not think he helped the American People any. He cost a lot of grief and anguish. And people were shut in, wearing masks, getting boosted, and none of the stuff worked. So i am glad he is retiring, but i would rather see him face the music. Host stephanie is next from new york, democrats line. Caller good morning. The previous caller said not so good things about dr. Fauci. If it wasnt for dr. Fauci i am an africanamerican woman, and if it was not for him and the biden administration, a lot of us black americans would be dead. Trump had made it very political. When they found out that it was affecting the Africanamerican Community more in the hispanic and Asian Community more than the white community, he just did not care about it. That is when he made it political. That is when they started talking so bad against found she fauci. Fauci is a hero and always will be. So those who talk bad about him, that is ok, because Everybody Knows what dr. Fauci has done for this country. Host that is stephanie in new york. Several opinions looking at the doctors influence over various Infectious Diseases over his career, covid being the most notable and most visible over the past few years. You can call and comment. 202 7488001 for republicans. Democrats 202 7488000. Independents 202 7488002. On capitol hill, several members of congress responding to the retirement announcement, republican and democratic alike. This is representative andy biggs of arizona, sing dr. Faucis guidance lead to unemployment, child abuse, drug abuse, suicide rate increases, closures of schools and churches, jacobian and antiscience mandates. Another representative from the Oversight Committee saying we need to know if dr. Fauci can steal anything from Government Officials to shield relationships with the alliance in regards to research and oversight. Senator rand paul also commenting on this. You may remember that he and doc served ouchi that she and dr. Fauci sparred several times in the hearings on capitol hill. His tweet saying that dr. Faucis resignation will not prevent and investigation into the origins of the pandemic and he will be asked to testify under oath concerning the lab leak. It was in one of those discussions that dr. Fauci and senator paul had exchanges. This is a portion from the Senate Health committee from earlier this year. Dr. Fauci responding to rand paul, the senator. Here is a little of that. [video clip] the anger that has developed with you, dr. Fauci, as you do not want to give us advice, you want to tell us what to do. You think you are the science, and anybody response to you how dare you . How dare you could incise science . As if you somehow are science. That kind of arrogance, that hubris, that is why the anger is coming toward you. If you were one doctor among hundreds and the government they gave advice, people might not object your advice if there was not such a degree of anger. But you are not willing to hear anyone else. Three epidemiologists, and you are not even one, but three prominent epidemiologists, oxford, stanford, and harvard, you maligned them. You spoke openly with dr. Collins, and you went after them and said you would do a public takedown, not in science or nature but in the nation, a leftwing publication. You wonder why there is so much anger . You are not an objective scientist. You lost that long ago. So many of the things that people want, they want to know why you are forcing their children to be vaccinated when 95 of people at risk have been vaccinated. Over 95 of people over 65, huge, voluntary success, but you will not rest until you force every child to get this. So yes, there is a great deal of satisfaction with you and many people want you to go. Senator paul, your time is expired. I will allow senator faucher to respond. Thank you very much dr. Fauci. [laughter] thank you dr. Murray. [laughter] no, no. First of all, senator, at a hearing such as this where there are almost 900,000 people in this country that have died from this outbreak, you have chosen to do personal attacks on the they go back to multiple hearings. Again, just for the record, for people to check, i have never said take people down in that email. It was an email sent to me again you agreed with dr. Collins in the email. Senator paul, this is my time. You personally attacked me, and the things you do are incorrect and proven incorrect. You publicly accused me at a hearing of being responsible for the deaths of 5 million people, when there is not a single, single shred of evidence that anything that was done with the nih had anything to do with covid19. You talk about things like game to function dr. Fauci, i am going to let you respond, but i think you have responded i appreciate the time. Thank you very much, madam chair. I just want to say i am actually stunned by the amount of misinformation. The only thing i have ever done, and this will take 20 seconds, if you look at the things i have said, they have been to support the recommendations of the cdc, of their advisory committees, and of the fda. I have told people that it is important to get vaccinated, get boosted, to wear a mask, and to be prudent. That is the only thing i have said. I have not dictated anything that is only a monolith with me. It is always Public Health practices. Anybody goes back over any record of me, they know that. Host you can see that hearing on our website at cspan. Org. Senator dick durbin, democrat from illinois, saying dr. Fauci has devoted his career and life to improving Public Health. He has said kelly lie she has saved countless lives in the u. S. And around the world, a brilliant scientific mind. Thank you, dr. Fauci, you will be missed. President biden saying, because of dr. Faucis many contributions to Public Health, lives in the United States and around the world have been saved. As he leaves his position in the u. S. Government, i know the American People and world will benefit from dr. Faucis expertise from whatever he does next. He has touched all americans about real lives from his work. I thank him for his service. America is stronger and healthier because of him. Next, annandale, virginia, line for democrats. Caller i am glad you played that, dr. Fauci just saying that about his support with the masks and vaccines. Dr. Fauci is a great man, a hero. He wanted nothing but the best for people. Host that is nick in virginia. Lets hear from steve in san jose, california, republican line. Caller one thing is for sure, dr. Faucis epitaph will not take place until he testifies in front of congress. That will be determined by the amount of times that he takes the fifth and refuses to answer. There are many questions involving dr. Fauci. Chief among them is, it is a wellknown fact that china is our enemy. China is killing americans directly by the shipment of fit no fentanyl. Why in hell would he give money to a research facility, and we know that this is true, not directly but through the nec, why would he give money to our enemies for purposes that could be used to harm us . Biologically, why . Like i said, is epitaph will not be realized and fulfilled until he testifies. He has been extremely, extremely evasive up until now. And i hope ron paul is on the committee that puts the questions to him. Host you mean rand paul. Caller rand paul, right. Host gotcha. Lets hear from christine in west virginia, democrats line. Hi. Caller hello. I was just going to say that dr. Fauci has done a great job telling us about the coronavirus when it first came. Trump did not take this serious. He called it a democratic hoax. He did not take it serious. Republicans have to have a fall guy no matter what. They have to have a fall guy to say it is dr. Fauci who brought the coronavirus here. That is why they are blaming dr. Fauci. That is the what the shame, just like the fbi host how do you think dr. Fauci contributed to the whole thing over these years . Caller from the time that he started with reagan . Host particularly for covid. Caller covid, well, he helped trying to tell the Trump Administration to take it serious, to get us to wear masks, which did help, really did help us. When they did get the vaccination and the booster i have taken mine, and i might have gotten it, sure, they said we would get it, but we would not have it as bad, and we didnt. My family had it, and we did not have to go to the hospital. We was fine. They keep saying it is just like the flu, but it was worse than the flu. That is what trump told us. And he knew what it was. That is what the republicans are doing. They want a fall guy, they are blaming dr. Fauci. Host the editors of the wall street journal with the headline, dr. Fauci and the rule of expert. They write, he and other Public Health experts use their authority to lobby for broad economic lockdowns that we know now are far more destructive than they needed to be. He also lobbied for mask and Vaccine Mandates that were far less effective than his assertions to the public. Dr. Faucis influence was all the greater because he had an echo chamber and the press corps and among public elite. A flagrant example of dr. Faucis refusal to even consider the noble coronavirus had originated in a lab at the wuhan extent to of verlin g in China Wuhan Institute of virology in china. More on this editorial from the wall street journal, which you can find online. Denver, colorado, we will hear from sue on the democrats line. Caller i am a retired registered nurse. I thought you were going to announce again that he was retiring, but i heard it a few months ago also. Host he made it official yesterday to retire in december. Caller i missed your phone number but finally got it off the internet. Anyway, i met dr. Fauci back in 1982 or 1983 in new york. What had happened was the california hiv aids patient, a young man coming in with infections only immune suppressed people are supposed to get. It was a hematology clinic at new york hospital, and he came to visit us because i began with globulin being studied for other things, and we were going to make an attempt to try it out on this young men who were having these diseases that they were not supposed to be having at their age. So we tried it and it did not work. But having met him so long ago and followed his career, i have to tell you, that man is so dedicated that anybody saying that he is not justice and thinking right. And i do realize that these epidemics and stuff evolve, and that is kind of what was happening back then in 1982 or 1983. Nobody knew exactly what to do for these gentlemen, these young men, coming in with Infectious Diseases they should not be getting at their age. That is what i have to save it he is a nurse, i have bragged on him my entire life now to every nurse i know, and i know plenty of nurses. Host dr. Fauci has appeared in front of cameras many times over the course of his career, several times on this program, as well. If you are interested in hearing him on the various subjects he has addressed over his lifetime, go to our website, cspan. Org, and type in his name. You will see every appearance of his, whether it be on a hearing or on this program. The New York Post looks at his career. They talk about, as a pathbreaking researcher and Public Health administrator, he has been the worst enemy of deadly bugs and illinformed politicians. He worked with ebola, swine fluke, sars, covid. Long after dr. Fauci leaves Government Service in december, the know nothings will keep trying to score political points. Surviving truth over and over again, harnessing the power of medicine to save lives. The editors finish with, thanks, doc. We will hear from kendra, flint, michigan, republican line. Caller i am concerned about the issues with dr. Fauci. Our gall paying attention to what is going on in the networks with this . And i mean xfinity. Host can you clarify . Caller as in, yall have access to medical files and with that company and nobody seems to care about it. Host why do you think that is . Caller um, because you guys at the networks dont care about it. Host what makes you think we have access to it . Caller since covid, you guys have had access to medical data that you should not have access to. Host ok. Lets hear from mo in florida, independent line. Caller good morning. I want to say, generally, when the whole covid thing started, i was so thankful for Public Servants like dr. Fauci. I thought, what a tough spot to be in. You know, they should just be giving credit. But over the course of time, and i understand it is a very difficult situation, but i think dr. Fauci even said it himself and the responding to senator paul, when he kind of referred or blended policy and recommendation. And he kind of seemed to blur the not kind of, he really blurred the lines with that. Because a lot of his early recommendations, they were not given with any kind of uncertainty. I think it is pretty clear that, and dr. Byrd has come out lately and indicated the same, that they were giving Firm Recommendations without firm knowledge. There was way too much guesswork going on, and that came back to bite their credibility. And that is just the way this has played out. I think the wall street journal editorial you referred to spell that out. Secondarily, his involvement with the nih and the china lab and that sort of thing, while maybe that kind of experimentation at one time was considered important, it has become apparent that that type of research is dangerous. And he has not been forthcoming about the involvement of him and the agencies in that in those experimentations, that sort of thing. Those are my two main points. And that is what i wanted to add. Host mo in florida. The profile in the Washington Post admits that the way dr. Fauci has looked at covid, they write veteran science has acknowledged several missteps in the early weeks of the pandemic. Fauci and other government scientists said americans did not need to wear masks, which President Trump seized on towards the end of his presidency to criticize fauci. Fauci did not recogn