The amount of money the appropriators have to work with, andy taylor, are they a part of this process . Well, its unclear how all this will work and part of it is, as roxannea and i were discussing before we talked to the chairman, sometimes if you talk to some of the people, the newer, more ardent conservatives, they take a view that roxana has, i think chairman rogers, who has been around for more than 30 years and is kind of an oldfashioned type, as we all can see, i think takes a view that they would fund the government at the level agreed to with the senate and president obama. The sequester would be in effect, but theyre going to try to get rid of the sequester though the Tea Party Types want the lower figure locked in and thats important for not only whats going on right now but for what is going on in the future when he turns to writing these bills. And theres the potential for the same kind of gridlock on these 12 bills, which are they dont get a lot of headlines around the country but its where a lot of the real sort of nuts and bolts work happens and where the incremental changes in our government are made. Down in the engine room as we heard the chairman explain. Andy taylor, roxana torin. Thanks for being a part of newsmakers. Thank you. Happy to do it. On the next washington journal, historian and author Douglas Brinkley talks about the second terms of u. S. President s and windy ginsburg from the u. S. Research office discusses the perks and benefits of the former president s of the United States including pensions, offices and libraries. Washington journal live at 7 00 a. M. Eastern on cspan. Next, a rally for Climate Change from earlier today on the national mall. Speakers included rhode island senator sheldon witehouse, van jones and ago tris rosario dawson. The rally was organized by self groups including the sierra club, 350. Org and the hiphop caucus. This is about an hour and a half. Snoor somebody make some noise [cheers and applause] come on. Come on. You can do better than that. This is like calcutta. We have to get warm. Give it up right now. Yall are ready. Yall are ready. If you say no, make some noise [cheers and applause] lets do it, wherever you are, give us some music come on oh, yeah, lets go come on. If i say no, you say no. No. No. Pipeline. Here we go. Here we go. P lets go no no. No. Keystone pipeline. Come on no. Keystone pipeline. No. Keystone pipeline. Oh, yes no. Keystone pipeline. Make some noise. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Whoo a little warmer. A little warmer. So we see where we are right now. Theres at least 30,000 of you all right now. Let me say this. Let me get started. 50 years ago, right here, not too far from the memorial, dr. King marched 50 years ago on august 28, 1963. And he marched for jobs and freedom. And they marched for equality. And they march sod we could come together as black and white and brown and yellow and red and male and female and straight and gay, so we could all come together as humanity. [cheers and applause] but guess what . This rally 50 years later is as important or more important as that rally then because while they were fighting for equality , we are fighting for existence. [cheers and applause] so that in 2063, 50 years from now, they will look back at this rally and they will see you up front or you in the back or you over here, and if we succeed in saying this pipeline cant go, this pipeline does not exist, they will look back then and say thank you. [cheers and applause] so weve come too far to turn around. They say hiphop cant stop. Wont stop. So were going to have some fun today because half the battle was showing up. Now, one minute before i bring out my good friend bill mackinnon, this is real, real important. I know this is via live stream, i know there are folks in certain corporations who are watching it right now. Very afraid of you. Because we know that organized money cant be organized people. So when i bring him out, youve got to make some noise. You with that . Mr. Mackinnon . Ready . Ok. Give it up for the founder of 350. Org, the one, the only bill mackinnon [cheers and applause] what a sight you are all that i ever wanted to see, all that i ever wanted to see was a movement of people to stop Climate Change, and now ive seen it. [cheers and applause] you guys look so beautiful. Ive been meeting people all day, its hometown heroes like our friends at ccan and those people who have been blocking keystone with their bodies down in texas. Its people who under the fight against fraking and against taking the tops of off mountains is ultimately the fight for a living planet. Its people who lived through sandy and people who survived the droughts and some of them i got to go to jail with last week. [cheers and applause] it is the students at 256 colleges who are now fighting the fossil fuel industry head on through first divestment to speak to human unions in decades. Its all of you, all the bodies kicking in as the planet tries to kick in as the planet tries to fight its fever. P we have waited a long time to get started. Weve already seen the arctic melt. Our colleagues in 191 countries at 350. Org tell us every day about some new drought, some new flood because weve waited this long, the easiest answers are no longer enough. Were going to have to start making tough decisions. Our theme has to be, when you are in a hole, stop digging. [cheers and applause] above all, above all, stop the Keystone Pipeline [cheers and applause] the president can do that with a single stroke of his pen, and if he does, he will become the first world leader to veto a big project because its bad for the climate. [cheers and applause] that would be a legacy and a signal to the rest of the world, and so we will keep making our case. Well follow him and the secretary of the state around the country and as the spring goes on, well ignite the fight with a focus and all the other holes were still digs, too. And as summer comes on, this movement will just pick up. I want everybody to circle those days towards the end of july that are on average the hottest each year. Were going to try and make them hot politically, too, this year. [cheers and applause] maybe set aside a few dollars each week for a bail fund, ok. [cheers and applause] so far weve been firm but peaceful, diverse, but united we have to stay that way because the job that we have undertaken is the most important one that any humans have ever been entrusted with. It is our job to make sure the planet does not catastrophically overheat. [cheers and applause] the Oil Companies arent going to do that. Their Business Plan is to wreck the earth. The government isnt going to do that. Theyre too busy taking money from all companies. But history shows that though were never going to outspend the fossil fuel industry, we can find other currencies to work with, cash and spirit, creativity. [cheers and applause] the powerful, powerful love for the future that brought you here today, we can see in our minds eye all the generations to come, and so we know why we fight. We can see the beauty of the world weve been given, the cold of a winter day, the color on an autumn hillside, so we know why we fight, we know our brothers and our sisters in the poorest parts of the world are already suffering, so we know why we fight. I cannot promise you were going to win, but i waited a 1 4 century since i wrote the first book about all this stuff to see if we were going to fight. And today at the biggest climate rally by far, by far, by far in u. S. History [cheers and applause] today i know were going to fight the battle, the most fateful battle in Human History is finally joined and we will fight it together. Come on. Comen. Come on. Ok. So a little bit of housekeeping. A little bit of housekeeping. First thing is that the whole world is watching. But weve got cameras in here blocking the whole world right here. So we need so around that, you hold your signs up, about chest high, youll be good to go. Secondly, we know people from big oil have come out and joined our rally. And so because were here were a loving bunch. Everybody right now hug your neighbor and say welcome to the rally. Hug your neighbor. Hug your neighbor. All right. All right. Oh, thats beautiful. Oh, thats beautiful. That is you all are getting too huggy, you all are getting a little too huggy. Just a little hug. Yo, next up, coming up here is a dear friend of mine. He is the trustee at nrdc and he is president of rebuild a dream. Give it up for my friend frank jones [cheers and applause] all right, all right, all right. Give it up for my deejay. Oh, my goodness. I wish you guys could see what you look like. You all look beautiful [cheers and applause] well, this is it. This is the last minute in the last quarter of the biggest, most important game humanity has ever played. This is it. One thing i know hasnt worked in this town, the simple maxim, if you dont fight for what you want, you deserve what you get. If you dont fight for what you want, you deserve what you get. I have the honor of working for this president , and i want to direct my message to him. President obama, all the good that you have done, all the good you can imagine doing will be wiped out, wiped out by floods, by fires, by superstorms if you fail to act now to deal with this crisis that is a gun, a gunpointed at the head of the future. Everything you have done, history will judge you 20 years from now based on one decision alone. That decision is not in the hands of the congress, that decision is not in the hands of any governors. That decision is not in the hand of any mayors or any dog catchers, the decision is in your hands, mr. President. This is your hands. Your hands. [cheers and applause] the decision to let this pipeline come through america is the most fateful discussion youll ever make, mr. President. It would be like jabbing a dirty needle into this country from canada. It would be like lighting a fuse on a carbon bomb. Thats what it would be like doing, mr. President. And you cannot allow that to happen. If the pipeline goes through, mr. President , the first thing it runs over will not be farmland. The first thing it runs over will not be small towns. If you let this pipeline go through, mr. President , the first thing it runs over is the credibility of the president of the United States of america. Thats the first thing it runs over. Thats the first thing it runs over. [cheers and applause] i want to say unequivocally to this next generation, top stop being chumps. Im going to say it again. To the next generation, stop being chumps. You elected this president. You reelected this president. You gave him the chance to make history. He needs to give you the chance to have a future. Stop being chumps. Stop being chumps. And fight for your future. Thank you very much. [cheers and applause] and in case youre wondering why everybody in the front row is smiling, it has nothing to do with my speech, give it up for rosario dawson, in the house i just want to say thank you so much, all of you being here. The only reason why the president s address has this issue front and center is because of you. Keep up the strong, good work. We got a delay on this pipeline. Lets make sure we get a no. Dont let them change the conversation and call it oil sands. This is tar sands were talking about. This is our future were talking about. Tracking fracking is not a bridge fuel. A bridge to where . Nowhere. Talking about it potentially could be a hundred years and tar sands can equal a thousand years of energy. But what is going to happen to our innovation and what is happening to the jobs being created in wind and solar and waves and Algae Technology . Whats going to happen to the electric car. No. We need to say yes to science and technology, yes to our health and our future. Yes to local economies being able to sustain and say yes, we have clean water, we have vegetables, we have meat that is not animals that are not dying and fish not rising to the top of the lakes because of ground water coming up with methane and all the chemicals, most of which we dont even have disclosed to us to know. No gag orders on us to tell us. This is what we need. We need transparency. We need real information. We dont need the same Advertising Companies who told us it was ok to smoke and hospitals telling us that fracking is safe. No. We didnt believe you then. We dont believe you now. No fracking, no tar sands, yes on Innovative Technology for our future. Were not inheriting trillions of dollars of debt and water we cant drink. Food we cant eat. No. So thank you so much for making this issue front and center, making sure that he understands and all the other leaders in our audience knows they have the constituents behind them to support them to do the right thing. You are a whole legacy building. Thank you for doing that with us. Now im good. I got a hug. Im good now. Im all right. So weve got to do a couple of things because theres just too many of you right now and youre growing and growing. See, they thought it could be the wind, but we like wind. We like solar. Yeah we like things above the ground, not beneath the ground. So lets do this. So two things. One, those of you who are climbing on the speaker towers, we cant do that because we dont want the speaker to fall over or anything like that so we need you not to do that. And then those of you who are on your right, my left, over here, youre like thousands over here and, like, just move over here. So first of all, give it up for this lady doing sign language. Give it up for her right now. So we need you as we go through to kind of shift. So lets try that a little bit. Right on the count of three youre going to say shift so youre going to kind of move to your left. You got that . Thats pretty easy. Not to your right but move to your left. There you go. So there you go. That is shifting. There they go. Look at them. Like a sea. Shifting. There they go. Thats awesome. Just keep shifting. Wow. They are shifting. My goodness. Now, as we get ready for our next thats my group. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Ill lead you in. Thats my crew. So they say power shift. And were going to do that on the count of three, make some noise. One, two, three, power shift, power shift. One, two, three, power shift, power shift, power shift. Power shift. Oh, yes. [crowd chanting power shift] oh, thats all right. Ok, ok, ok. So next up, coming up now, we have let me say this to the movement. The reason why you say this we want the movement exploding. For years the movement has been signed of silod. We need to be segregated so we can have groups here and there, but at this time, its gotten too big so weve broken down our silos and all come together under one big tent. [cheers and applause] so with that, the past chief, jacqueline thomas, from the first nation in british columbia, canada. Give it up. She helped initiate the formation of an alliance with six member nations and the leaders of the same, which have been over 135 First Nations. They are beautiful, too. They are awesomely beautiful. They want you to lead the fight against the proposed Northern Gateway tar sand pipeline and will actually say this when they come up here because both cowboys and ranchers and indian. I probably would never say this again but they asked me to say this. They said to say c. I. A. , cowboys, indian, alliance. Were going to say what they want me to say. On beat. On beat. Get ready. Here we go. C. I. A. C. I. A. [crowd chanting c. I. A. ] make some noise howdy, washington [cheers and applause] i bring greetings from the first nation communities of northern british columbia, canada. Firstly, as my first nation protocol of respect, i must thank chief tiak of the piskatowe Indian Nation for allowing us to do business on their traditional territories and for their warm letter of welcome. I am Jackie Thomas from saikuz first nation. Ive been a government chief for many years but more importantly, im a member of the fro clan. Its my responsibility as a fro clan member to take care of the water. Each of our clans have their own responsibilities and we all work in unison to restore this great land that we live on. This traditional governance system that im a part of has been and has survived generations and generations of attacks to assimilate us, but my traditional governance system is alive and well and will continue to be alive and well into the future. [cheers and applause] i am a mother of four and a grandmother of one and i was raised by my own grandmother. She was she was known as dr. Sophie thomas. Her words are still with me today. What she told us is when we take care of the land, the land takes care of us. If we destroy this land, we will destroy ourselves. And speaking on behalf of the Indian Alliance from northern british columbia. This translates into people of the earth. I am part of people from the northern regions of the Northwest Territories down to my cousins in the navajo of arizona. We formed an alliance to stop the Northern Gateway project which plans to bring oil from the tar sands which will be put on tankers to go to the asian markets. The alliance is opposed to it irresponsible environmentally damaging projects that puts our communities, our water, our culture, our land, our fish, our animals, and most importantly our plants that risk. It puts at risk my neighbors to the east of me who live in the tar sands. The government does not recognize these people, and these people have been dying of mysterious cancers. Their water is polluted. Theyre animals are sick. Mother earth is sick. Our alliance has used our own laws to protect our land, and for centuries we have done this. We created the save the frazier declaration which we are proud of across the great land of canada. We have promoted this on the freedom train in 2012 to go to toronto. Currently, we have over 130 pipers nations in canada signed up. 135 First Nations. We will be signing international documents with other nations of the indigenous world in the future. [applause] we are endorsed by many municipalities in canada. Most recently, the city of vancouvers mayor assigned and made a proclamation that december 13th, 2012, was saved the fraser declaration date for the city of vancouver. This was very brave because my government, the canadian government, has been calling me an environmental extremist, a radical, and an enemy of canada. All i want and my people want is to protect this land, the water, and all that is sacred. [applause] this water were talking about has no color. This water were talking about is not just water for my own peop