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Guest for this book, donald trump was gracious with this time. He spent 20 hours with a team of reporters doing interviews. The day before the book came out he tweeted, dont buy the book, it is boring. He cannot have read it because he did not receive a copy. People will see this is a thorough biography. Let me beginsher, where you begin, his life story. He knew how to be famous, he knew how to win numbers, to get ratings. He made a lifelong study of how to create buzz. Lets was one level up from flash. Can you explain . Guest he has a hierarchy of reaction he can get from the media and he has made a lifelong study of manipulating the media and using the media. He learned at a early age that all publicity is good publicity and he genuinely believes that getting his name out there in all of these different ways through his entire life, from being seen with the prettiest models and celebrities in the 1970s although we up to his rallies today with lots of stocks on saturday night live what he didania with that is the idea of donald trump as a brand and image. Someone that people could aspire to be like. He did this very thoughtfully. You write just as he did at school, donald trump rebelled against the rules. Arguing with his father. Nonetheless, fred told his son he was a king. Host he was giventher, the award for coming up from modest means and becoming a big success. And what he told him was that you have to do what you love orals you will be a nothing. Throughout his life, donald trump has tried to live up to his fathers admonition to be something big. Host that explains the from the book. Though a creature of his fathers business and a and forary, he year something more. His fathers outer borough empire donald trump wrote, it was not a world i found attractive. Aest fred trump was successful builder. Donald trump saw this as not reaching for the sky. Not reaching for the oppression on of the business. Going into manhattan and the toughest Real Estate Market in the country and being around all wealthythy will people. He wanted the challenge of taking on the world. So he loved his father and what his father taught him about the business but he wanted something more. He thought of his father as not quite having the killer ambition that donald trump found in the mentor and in the exciting society of manhattan in the 1970s. Host his dad did not understand that early on . Guest his dad had a philosophy of building study and doing things as cheaply as possible and he advised his son not to go to manhattan. And his son did go to manhattan. He advised his son, dont go into debt and his son proclaimed he is the king of debt. Guest this is a foundational story for donald trump. Donald trump and fred trump were running a company in queens, there are this their office was a modest place. They had thousands of apartments they rented. When daily pursuit for racial bias. They were not renting to blacks. Decideald trump had to whether he would settle the case or fight. Boy advise donald trump thet settle, fight government. When they hit you, hit back 10 times harder. So he was a very important advisor and they did eventually settle the suit against the government but it was important to understand Donald Trumps arc that he kept this philosophy when you are hit, hit back harder. Host two more sections from the book. You write donald trump built his rotation selling real estate but the thing he had always wanted to sell was donald trump. His career would finally make trump into a household brand. Guest this was an interesting transformation from the Real Estate Developer role, holding buildings in new york city and around the country to realizing that he didnt need to put up his own money. He didnt need to finance projects. He could make a lot of money simply by selling and franchising his name. Of hisecent years, most projects in the United States and around the world have been cases in which donald trump has rented out his name for a guaranteed annual income that he perceived, whether those projects received or not. Likent reporters to places panama who look at some of the donald trump projects that are not donald trump projects. Other people put up the money. Other people create these buildings and golf courses and donald trump rents his name. Get if the building doesnt off the ground, he has a guaranteed stream of income. Much more secure than the type of risk that a developer takes as he did earlier in the career. Host you write about the letter that donald trump received from he had beenn, how eyed as a potential politician, about his visit to New Hampshire in the 1980s when he was talked about. In 1980n you write seven, trump declined the democrats invitation to raise money. Prominent republicans continue to court him as a donor, donald trump reveled in the curiosity about his ambitions and emerging political profile. Guest thats right. Chapter 16 is titled political chameleon. Donald trump changed Party Affiliations seven times. Republican, independent, reform party, and change positions on abortion, immigration, taxes. He hadnt seen himself as a member of one party or the other. He sees himself as a business person who has tried to court politicians who would be helpful to him in getting tax breaks. He has seen himself as an outsider and what that has meant is that he is not on a uniform track. We asked him about this. , what do you say to potential voters who say, what are your core beliefs, since you have change positions so many times, and he didnt push back and found his desk with his best and say, of course they have wase beliefs instead, he a business person and he needed friends and that was the way i viewed it. Host i want to share with you, this is a brief interview we did in february of this year in New Hampshire on the weekend before the New Hampshire primary. Just want to share with you what we saw. We are going to change and renegotiate our trade deals and you are talking about tremendous numbers of hundreds of billions of dollars. With that i have thousands of people back here and i have to go. Host what would your father think of this . Would be very proud. He was a great guy who had a lot of confidence in may. Host what has this experience been like for me for you . Amazing. Ive always been a businessman and a builder and a jobs producer. Host are you willing to spend what it takes to win . Unlimited. Host have you been in the white house before . 25 times. Host how would you change washington . I will change it by getting the greatest people in this country, the greatest people in the world, to help me run the country. Host we show that interview because it gives you a sense of how he is focused on the questions but also the crowd waiting for him he kept referring to them during the course of a five minute conversation. Guest he has an uncanny knack for reading a crowd. Of his genius performance in the primary season was his ability to those liveh settings. He feeds off the crowd. He obviously has a big ego. Crowds. D by the kind of awkward sometimes to see him in the more constricted settings like reading off a teleprompter. He doesnt look comfortable there. Donald trump truly believes he is best when he is going from his gut and instinct. He is not much of a reader. He is not one to study issues. He is skeptical of things like reports and briefings. He wants to learn about issues by hearing a quick summary from someone and then making his own decision on the spot from his gut. Marc fisher, Senior Editor for the Washington Post and michael kranish, part of the team to put together this new book, trump revealed an American Journey of ambition, ego, money, and power. Cassie is joining us from colorado. Good morning. Caller good morning. Thank you for taking my call. I had a couple of things first off, i think our nation, as a whole, should take a strong the mobile labs on computers and we should update our capitalistic government to puts us into the space age. A terribly cold, calculating, everything has its price. I always have. Within that, you have people limiting a president to a total of eight years to get elected, get used to the country and have them get used to them and then start different programs, which president obama did and with great skill. Im a big fan of his. But then, at the end of eight years, obamacare has glitches. It has problems that it needs to work out. He cant do that if he is kicked out. After eight years. You need time to be able to put those into practice and say, this works and that doesnt. Throw out what doesnt work. Host so youre saying it is time to change the constitution . Caller well, for an update. Do if we are not changing, we are dead. Host let me take her point a step or there. Donald trump says he will fundamentally change washington. We have heard that from jimmy carter, ronald reagan, bill clinton and barack obama. Caller washington is broken. Most people would say this. The nation is divided. So i think a lot of people are looking for an outsider to come. N and change the experience you need the cooperation of congress. Heres a man who is obviously not liked by democrats and by a a lot of the members of his own party. He calls himself a deal maker but he has turned off a number of people he would need to make deals with, including paul ryan. So to get things done he needs to work with those folks and that remains to be seen, as to whether he can have a big victory. Host these are two photographs. You talk a trump and his second wife. He has reportedly said he was bored with his second wife when she was walking down the aisle. That after two failed marriages, he appeared to a found a partner who will filled his longstanding desire for a no maintenance woman who did not generate headlines or seek to upstage him. Donald trump, especially with his first wife, had someone who was his match in beauty and brains. Was a he actually business partner. He put her in charge of one of his casinos in Atlantic City and later at the plaza hotel. He came to regret those decisions. Tooame to feel there was much competition going on within the marriage. He questioned her management skills and decisions and he resolved after that to have future relationships be with women who would not be a challenge to him or competition to him in business. And his third wife, melania, has a very separate Business Life and is more of a homemaker and business person. But Donald Trumps view of women is controversial. A number of people around the country see him as insulting or offensive to women. He contends that he has promoted women to the very top of his business throughout his career and certainly, at least one of theexecutives was one of first women to run a Major Construction project in new york city. So he has done that. But when it comes to his wives, he wants a more traditional wife like his mother. Host could you make the argument that his daughter, he is on the trump, in the same mold of donald trump in terms of a Business Empire . Guest no question that he is close to his children and he takes great pride in to what they have done. When we interviewed him, his children came in, we dont know if that was something stage for our benefit or they just happened to be there but you could see there was closest there. Coming in and talking about going to florida where they have a golf course in development and she was going to talk about that. They had a very nice conversation back and forth that we were able to observe. You mention the marriages and reminded me, in the book, on we quote donald trump talking about the day he got married to marla maples he said, i was bored which he was walking down the aisle. Pontificators. We are trying to go in and write a full story that tells the donald trump story. Inks donald trump has said over the years to fill in gaps. So that gives you insight into his thinking. He then divorced her and married melania. They have a young son. But that is part of the full story. Understanding his relationship with women is understanding the story of donald trump. Guest and the interesting connection between his attitude towards marriages and his attitude towards politics. Faceted he is most most fascinated and he is at his best when he is pursuing the hunt. He says, when he gets things, he is not so interested in them. Are michaelests kranish and marc fisher, the coauthors of the new Washington Post project, trump revealed an American Journey of ambition, ego, money, and power. We will be covering the events as part of cspan2s book coverage. Caller good morning. Perfect persona that we need for president. ,omebody to go out here and say lets build something. Lets do something. Instead of the trash that we have had for eight years. This failed obamacare. The throw the police under the bus why dont you write a really nasty look about the eight years of destruction that 722yearold, have lived. The news every day on donald trump and Hillary Clinton. And i want to tell you. She is absolutely the worst person. Host marc fisher . Guest well, we set out not to write a nasty book about anyone. We set out to write a book about who donald trump is and how his values and pencils were formed. Why he believes what he does and so whether you think he is the greatest thing since sliced bread or a menace to society, i think what American Voters need is a comprehensive look at the life. The first person since Dwight Eisenhower to run for president as a major Party Candidate without previously having held elective office. So he is not being vetted in the same way candidates usually are. Have a lotoliticians written about their lives at every stage in their career and that is not happening to donald trump so that is what we sought to do. Caller good morning. You know, i am the latest appointed in the degradation of the quality of your programming with these two fellows on here. This is really nonsense. What are they, psychiatrist . Trying to do psychoanalysis of donald trump . Im going to vote for donald trump. The Clinton Foundation look at her husband. What do i care that he has been divorced several times . A nicelooking guy with big money is going to do that. So this whole thing is nonsensical. These two guys wrote this book to make money and attacked donald trump . To try to influence the election . Opinion and imy am disappointed in cspan. It set of talking about the bring on these two fellows. It is really disappointing. Michael they are here at our invitation and we are talking about the book because it is a newly released publication. Looking at the full life of donald trump and it works because you weigh in and share your calls and express your point of view and that is what we are all about. So thank you for the call. Guest we appreciate the call. We understand the behavior that is out there about what is going on in the country. This was done at the Washington Post it is a very evenhanded job. The effort here is to try to understand the rise of donald trump and the stagnation of the economy has led to that. Talking about the president , it is important to know personal writing aand biography helps you to understand who the person is and how they have done things in the past. See you can dig a list of Campaign Proposals but you need to understand what they have done throughout their life. Host and this weekend on cspans two as part of booktv, we sat down yesterday in an interview with ann coulter who is out with her own book on donald trump. She did sit down with tucker carlson, the editor in chief of the daily caller and a host on the fox news channel. Here is a portion. Trump sodonald loathsome, it is his opposition to immigration. If you narrow down what makes is hisealing it opposition to immigration. Is the greatn unifier. Factoring in the fact you just wrote a book on immigration, do you think there is evidence of this . The exit polls do not tell us that. When they say that, i look at what people do say is their number one issue. All of these things like jobs, terrorism. Cultural changes. They are synonyms for immigration. Americans are nice people. The cents, with the media telling them this, if they say it is immigration, it is as if they are saying something mean about immigrants. We like immigrants. Hispanics. P loves that is my favorite tweet. You like the taco bowl treat tweets. Her interview will air this weekend. Our afterwords interview. You can check out the schedule at www. Cspan. Org. There are a lot of books on the market that are proor antidonald trump rants. s is very much a pro book. We try to not take a side or look at the major themes in a candidates life. That is what is most useful. You choose someone not because of their views on immigration, but based on how they make decisions, how they taken information, how they way what what to how they weigh do. How do you absorb information and pick what side is right. He does not like to read long reports and briefings. He prefers people come in, talk and tell him the merits or do of an issue and he will a decision from his gut. He thinks he can bring that to the white house. In 2008, thevoter, Donald Trump Voter in 2016. What did you learn . What they were looking f