Every weekend, booktv brings you 48 hours of nonfiction authors and books, on cspan 2 keep watching for more television for serious readers. Booktv is live this weekend from the tucson festival of books. Start agent 1 00 p. M. Eastern 10 00 a. M. Pacific well be covering several author panel on topics such as race and politics, Supreme Court, environment, immigration, and more. All this live from the university of arizona the site of the seventh annual tucson festival of books. I give an example in god, guns, grits and gravy of this guy who is heading green peace in europe, and so he is all about wanting to reduce co2 emissions. But in all of an audit of green peace shows he is flying from his home to lux. Boring a couple of times a month, and the output of co2 he is expending because of his jet travel is like 100 times that of the average person. And so when confronted about it, here was his answer. He said well, the train trip would take 12 hours and that would be time away from my family and a whole lot of time that i wouldnt be working. In other words, because its not very efficient. And im thinking well, gee isnt that why most of us fly . Heres the point. If youre going to be an environmentalist and you say its horrible to emit co2, then live like it. And i use the example glen reynolds, a great blogger makes the statement about environmentally he says i will believe its a serious problem when the people who say its a serious problem act like its a serious problem. Kudos to people like ed begley jr. And Darryl Hannah because they are environmentalists who actually practice it and live it and ive read about ed begleys very very spartan life his small footprint of Energy Output and he doesnt fly very often once in a great while he may make a bicoastal trip, but i respect that. Whether i agree with it or not to me if you have a conviction then just live it out and if its authentic, well see it in you. If its not then dont tell me how to live. Dont be al gore and say that the oceans are about to overtake the coast and then build a 20,000foot home right there on the coast. Thats just im sorry. That doesnt make sense to me. If you think your oceanfront property is about to become washed into the sea. Why the heck would you build it . You can watch this and other programs online at booktv. Org. Heres a look at upcoming book fairs and festival happening around the country. This weekend booktv is live at the university of arizona with coverage of the seventh annual tucson festival of books. Next week were covering the virginia festival of the book in charlottesville, virginia, and then from march 25th to the 79th the city of new orleans hosts a Tennessee Williams literary festival. That will be followed by booktvs live coverage of the Los Angeles Times festival of books from the campus of the university of Southern California on april 18th and 19th. Let us know about book fairs and festivals in your area and well be happy to add them to our list. Email us at booktv at cspan2. Org. Welcome to book tvs live coverage of the tucson book festival held on the campus of the university of arizona. Today were covering several author panels on topics such as race and politics, the Supreme Court, the environment immigration, and more. First up today, a look at xrays politics and this author panel will be followed by a call insure with one of the participants. Even haney lopez wrote a book this past year called dog whistle politics and will join news an hour. This is booktvs live coverage of the tucson book festival. [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] welcome, everyone, to the seventh annual to sun festival of books. 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Lets introduce our panelists here. Next to me we have Ian Haney Lopez who is the author of a dog whistle politics. Bill maher eric holder one of the best of the year. He is professor of law at the university of california berkeley. Then we have at the 11, he is look at this. My town. Its certainly is. Miami herald columnist and also the author of a collection of his columns forward from this moment and winner of the 2004 pulitzer prize. All right welcome man. And rick perlsteins most recent book is the invisible bridge very thick volume. I use a 9 m fit. Not in this latest. Is continues is chronicling of the conservative history of america he began with before the storm about arizonas Barry Goldwaters president ial campaign. Continued that with nixonland, the continuing history. To data topic is race and politics and Rudy Guiliani has had some interesting comments along these lines recently endive would start with you. The thing president Obama America . [laughter] i think president obama loves america the same way your right to but i dont think he lives in the same way that lets say Newt Gingrich for Rudy Guiliani or sean hannity do which is to say uncritically. I think that he understands what is his name . Senator al franken had net great line, you dont there is a sense among some on the right fit you have to love america like you love your mommy which is to say without any criticism, no blemish, she is perfect and if you deviate from that, that is not love. I think the president loves america like grownups love grownups. [applause]. And that is something many on the political right failed to get and obviously the elephant in the room, the reason. It really did it through the giuliani questions the president s love of america is he represents something Rudy Guiliani finds strange and unsettling. I will say this said dont want to get long winded but i will say this. I find it fascinating when africanAmerican People are called upon to verify their love of country because we are the people who loved the country when the country didnt love us back. [applause] when my ancestors can tell stories like that of a soldier in the Second World War passing from a small louisiana town who wrote about what it was like having to go into the back door of this restaurant eat while the german prisoners of war on the same train went through the front door and 8 in the dining room and yet he is still suspected and still does shed blood for america. Dont you dare question africanamerican law of country. These comments from Rudy Guiliani, he said president obama doesnt raise the police often enough, should be more like bill cosby. Nobody should be more like bill cosby. He also says these comments cant be racist because obamas mother was right. This is certainly the kind of thing in mean when you talk about dog whistle politics. Yes. This is the sort of stock question of patriotism that you see in this sort of left and right dynamic but theres another dynamic too which is an effort to stir racial anxiety, an effort to stir fear, to exaggerate difference and operates in code. It operates in terms that on the surface dont say obama the black man but notice Rudy Giuliani said the reason he doesnt love america is because he wasnt raised like you and i were. It there is something fundamental in his upbringing and his parentage. They say he has this white parents, that too has this sort of wrote within the conservative critique of obama as if to say obama was raised by whites and yet identifies as black. Isnt this another example of racial be frail, racial loyalty on obamas part to blacks and not to whites. This is operating as what is called in the political lexicon dodd whistling. It blows that such a high register you cant hear it but it triggers strong reactions. Says the metaphor of coated speech. On one level this its a race directly . No. It is silent but at another, it is strongly triggering racial anxiety. Recalled for the record that barack obama was not raised by Rudy Guiliani was. His father was not a convicted felon and his uncle was not in charge of the mafia. [applause] and with that i dropped the mic. Okay, we are done. You go back into the 1916s youre covering the Civil Rights Movement, talk a little bit about the development of these dog whistle politics. The most Important Foundation to make about this is this is a tribute the vice mix of religion. The fact is Martin Luther king said it does bend toward justice. And since the history of our civilization is one of greater freedom, the acceptance of more and more people into the citizenry, at least nominal equals, first women get to vote and then africanamericans get to vote and gays and lesbians get to mary, etc. Etc. And in a big theoretical sense what conservatism is is strong allying at todays extension liberty and once that becomes taken for granted retroactively saying we were for that all along. Conservatives embracing Martin Luther king, conservatives even embracing the right of women to vote although an coulter said that should be taken away because it would be better for conservatism. The serious point is this is foundational in what all conservatives across countries, they have to Pay Lip Service to the things that are taken for granted as part of the american patrimony. So when they have to they cant say racist things explicitly. This is a tribute to the martyrs for just as we all celebrate. Conservatism fundamentally in every generation has these sorts of faults liberal rhetoric going on. Sidney blum and fall in the 1990s called it shadow liberalism. They are fighting to preserve Social Security fighting for greater civil rights for civil rights for christians. Whereas in the 1960s civil rights was the communist plot. That is why you need a dog whistle in politics. A couple i will make one more point. The important thing is people forget, this is arguable but i would argue it, barack obama is hated and despised pretty much equally as bill clinton was hated and despised in the 1990s. Remember he was running cocaine out of air strips in arkansas, jesse helms better not come because he might be shot. Easy to forget these things. Is not exclusively race but it is also liberalism and not seeing liberalism as a legitimate part in governing the country. The reason liberalism is not seen as a legitimate part in governing the country is profoundly related to raise and the extension of american citizenship to africanamericans. It is all messed up in this way symbolized by it thinking bill clinton was the first black president. Now the republicans say they wish they had a president bill clinton again that they could work with. That is the other part. Rick was talking about the moral arc of the universe, president obama recently spoke at the 52 anniversary of the selma march saying racism is in decline. In your book you say it may not be so much in decline as it is changing its face. Talk about that a little bit. I want to pick up on what wreck set about conservatism too. Who are we as a people, as a people we are quite a liberal people if we understand liberals in the sense of working hard, having a sense what we should share our prosperity, take care of each other, we really are in this together. That was the sense that launched the new deal, the spirit that created the biggest expansion of the middle class ever. What happened that we turned against that spirit . What happens and there was a profound shift, repudiation of that sense that government is supposed to help all of us, right around 1972 when nixon started talking about law and order, forced busing, what happens with Ronald Reagan . At that point you see inequality released are to skyrocket so we are at levels of any quality we havent seen in 100 years . What happened . I want to say this is not just about conservatism. In some ways i think what we are witnessing is a bastardization of conservatism. I think when rick describes conservatism has a sense of slow but steady social change that attempts to respect important social institutions, attempts to preserve the mend honors them, that sounds like conservatism to me. That is not what the conservatives today are saying. Conservatives today are saying fear your fellow americans, fear minorities, fear gangs fear women who want to work, women who want access to abortion, fear government too because government keeps causing those people so vote against government and the attention to the fact the when you vote against government you are turning it over to the Koch Brothers. Dont worry about that. He will be ok if the richest 1 430 of the wealth of the whole country. That is not the conservatism that cares about the whole society. That is a reactionary freemarket ideology that is almost almost anarchic in its vision. Is mitt romney saying i dont care about 47 of the country. That is marked coin. Delete is going to grab what it can and have the country at dont have to worry that you people because you have an entitlement mentality and you refuse to take responsibility for yourself. What is driving this . A lot of what is driving this is racial anxiety being stoked by the right purposefully. Is not sort of a conservative we want to make sure social change occurs slowly, it is an actual manipulation of people. A stampeding of their fear speaking of arizona, speaking in arizona you know this politics. This is 1070. [applause] alleges latest shelling and Mexican American studies in to sun is about hitting white people. That is ludicrous. But it does create fear. One last point, the arc of the moral universe, it has to be in code because most people overwhelmingly, would reject any politician that said to them stand with me because i will protect the good white folks of the world. They would fat rejected. We have a country have repudiated that racism but we have to work harder to see that the racism we repudiate the white supremacist rhetoric has morphed into a language of culture and behavior is that says this isnt about brown people but illegal aliens who are criminals and bring disease and sneaking across the border and bringing isis and ebola with them. This is about old racial anxieties and we need to repudiate those as well. I agree with everything you said. I dont know it is that we have repudiated racism as effectively as we think we have as we have repudiated the brawl language of racism. But the actual emotion, the actual feeling, in a lot of ways conservatives and beyond that we have taught or stalls or allow ourselves to feel more comfortable with that because it now has his intellectual dog whistle language wherein you can feel those things that dont have to acknowledge even to yourself the stuff you are feeling. The other point i will make just in terms of conservatives, accounted interesting a few years ago when george will started using the phrase, wanting to refer to people like himself started using the phrase thoughtful conservative. Thoughtful conservatives feel this is the fact that you have to use that modify suggests that you realize that a lot of your folks are not wrapped too tight. I found that very interesting. One of my favorite books about conservatism is pointing out the burke was pretty reactionary but let me talk about in e ns work he talks about dog whistle politics, the one propping up their privilege and i live in chicago and we are in the midst of the very exciting, probably historic Mayoral Election we have had since 1987. The incumbents name is rom and fellow running against him is jesus garcia. A member of the county board and also in member of city council under the great progressive reformists africanamerican mayor who tragically died after he won the second term, rahm emanuel has support of lots of republicans, lots of members of the 1 . He got 250,000 donation because we dont have Campaign Finance reform in chicago from republican Hedge Fund Managers to give 1 million to let the gubernatorial republican candidate and recently our senator, a republican said if we liked this guy jesus garcia who is mexicanamerican we might have another detroit. The pattern is striking. Garcia was part of the city tells will that balance the budget, actually raise property taxes because they were too low to support the services and as a member of the county board was part of a team that balance the county budget like they cant possibly ever balances and some progressive people came in, took a hard look at the patronage and balance the budget and lowered taxes so the austerity politicians and the 1 and the editorials, but endorsed rahm emanuel. What is going on here . The fact that rahm emanuel, downgrading chicagos bonds, he is objectively fiscally irresponsible, running against a guy who is objectively responsible and yet the guy who happens not to be white is the guy that is somehow associated with the city of detroit which of course is run by africanamericans. Textbook dog whistle politics, and is very persuasive. Choose things he seemed like a nice guy but he can make tough decisions to balance the budget. So we see this it rated and reiterated and luckily the people in my city who are pretty tough and know what it toughguy is and what a coward is are rejecting the this. But elsewhere you guys are fighting. Let me ask about as idea of rejecting it. It seems as though the coun