Protecting america, it said a great deal about the man. Guest we cover that with his interactions with margaret t from Margaret Thatcher, gorbachev, the ultimate success of his policy toward the soviet union. We made that quite clear that the way he structured his administration, very successful and foreignpolicy. Host relationship with Margaret Thatcher you have some great stuff in here. They both were strong individuals. Guest we got that transcript of the Reagan Thatcher phone call they did not tell his best pal it was hanging out to dry peas he was telling her parliament the United States is not going to do this. And she lets him up on the phone call and we have the transcript. We lay out the whole thing which is why these books are so successful because people get the big picture. Now who was at reagans funeral into using the given him . Even though there was this detachment over granada they came back together again because they were both essentially of like minds and wanted freedom to override solitary and is. Host you spend a great deal of time on this. Guest it was reagans militaristic point of you sublimated and again this is the fascination. He didhe did not want the war. He opposed Margaret Thatcher fighting the argentines. He did not want it. How many times a day have you heard in your career a reagan was a warmonger . Did not want the war. Did not think it was worth it to do that. But then he invades were not up. Host american. Guest the communists were in granada. That is what led his views. The whole thing gives you what reagan really was. He was not a warmonger. Two leaders very much in line and in respect of one another that they did is best. And if it meant offending someone them in defending somebody. Guest he could have told her. Such a gooda good friend that she wouldve kept his confidence. If you read the pages of the transcript, really sheepish. So it is a pretty good they were both the same person, reagan and thatcher, they were the same person. We are going to get the bad guys and protect our nation. That is what bound them together. Host Margaret Thatcher was there and gave the eulogy at his funeral. It was beautiful. And you mentioned that. Of courseof course he wrote a letter to her, his last act as president. He wrote that letter about communism and how they pull this off. Did you find as we studied when he was president , did you find the depth humility . Lincolnton, reagan did. I dont know if you would describe them as of francis. I think that he had a confidence that he was right that he had a certain swagger to him when he addressed the world in the nation. I know what im doing. Im doing the right thing. Host the quality of the man was his humility. He had an enormous depth of humility. Guest i did not know Ronald Reagan. I covered his inauguration, but i do not no him. Host he had a black that im sure youre right about. Basically you can accomplish anything if you dont care who gets the credit. And you live by that. And i think that is probably one of the reasons they came across this country is a great person. But you are his cousin. A great aspect of the man, human being after he left office. Very much in high positions and demanding positions when they need those positions if they dont keep very busy mentally he leaves the office and he still very vibrant. He goes to mexico the fall from the horse that have the concussion. Talk about that a little bit. Do you think nancy may have hit something here . Guest i think so. All of those traumas accelerate whatever you have inside you in a hereditary kind of way. Again, was in our intent to be medical people . It was our attempt to show what happened. Happened. And to take you from a very historical point of you to tell people who lived during a reagan era like him and dont like him, i want everybody to read the book it was not a guy who did not care. He did not care about poor people of the Little People as minorities. Not true. His embrace of the free market system and that he believed if you allow american capitalism the freedom to prosper everyone will work who wants to come and that is exactly what happened. We show that pretty vividly. Two great successes were defeating the communist soviet union and reviving an economy that jimmy carter had destroyed. Destroyed. Both of those are superlative accomplishments, and we walk you through what it was. Reagan did not want to do the economy for him. He was interested in the folks. He did not like the fact that the folks were struggling to get jobs and had to wait on gas lines. Host and he would say he didnt. He would say that he believed in the people. He inspired in the greatness. Guest his policies allow the people to prosper. Host a good and decent man who had enormous humility, deeply religious, great courage of his convictions and strong and he went four and accomplished great things. I dont know that a case has been made that in any way the attempt on his life has caused a change in history, caused an eventual death of a president , for president to fail as a result. Guest i disagree withi disagree with you entirely. That is what is fun about reading killing reagan. You can have your view and i can have mine. If reagan had not been shot by John Hinckley junior they would not have been any oval office meeting. That never wouldve happened. Host how do you know . Guest he ran his governorship efficiently and there was no problem with him on the job there in his eight years. Very engaged and that his 1st weeks in the presidency he had a goal comeau was going to accomplish the goal and they get shot and then it all changed. That is what i believe. We document strongly. Feel free to have your opinion. Im not saying anything other than im glad you read the book, we are having this conversation. Host what new would you say the most significant aspect of Ronald Reagan for people who knew and loved him . Guest everyone will take something different. This is they did with jesus and patton and lincoln and kennedy. I get heat on all those folks. I did not say a killing jesus did not talk about spirituality or resurrection. Now going to get it, you did not make him a saint, canonize Ronald Reagan. No, i didnt. I laid out the man in a fair and methodical way, and entertaining way and the hit on themes i feel are important that people did not know about. There is a lot of new stuff in the book. It is entertaining to read. You can put it together yourself. We did a fair and balanced job. I am proud of the book and Ronald Reagan will like it. He is up in heaven and knows about the book. Host i have to disagree. As someone who love this man , i read the book and was delighted to think i would be able to read and talk to you about Ronald Reagan. Millions of americans have appreciation for his true greatness. He continues to inspire. I got the sense that you are undermining and demeaning his true greatness by throwing his stuff that is irrelevant to the and suggesting he was not really with it. He tells us all of the things he did. Guest i standi stand behind the book, no you are emotionally attached. I am not. I am an historian who writes in on this book. Nothing i say will be challenged because we can back it all up. The selection of what we have is debatable, but i did not set out to write saint Ronald Reagan. I set out to write here is a great president , here is what made him great. Here is what he overcame. An assassins bullet that almost took his life. It is a compelling dramatic story and we did a good job and im happy to talk to you about it. Host i am delighted and have to give the author the last word. It is good to be with you. I appreciate the time and look forward to the next one. Host it is going to be controversial. All my stuff is. I want to hear from the folks who read the book. Always a pleasure. Host nice to talk to you. Book tv is on facebook. Like us to get publishing news, scheduling updates, behindthescenes pictures and videos,videos, author information, and to talk directly with authors. Facebook. Com book tv. When the Vice President and his critics going off the deep end he asked, does it bug you when people refer to me as darth vader . She said no, it humanizes you. [applause] saturday night at 830 eastern an indepth look at policing and minority communities. Former st. Louis police officer, atlantic in Washington Dc Police chief. Most people get defensive if you are being offenses. Being respectful and requested, itsrequested, its not a crisis if it not a danger situation. They change the dynamics a little bit. Sunday afternoon race in the criminal justice system. At 630 portions of this years washington ideas festival speakers including mark warner, former Vice President al gore and other annemarie slaughter. We have to banish the word he is helping at home. Helping is not actually taking the burden off of you. You are still figuring out what needs to be done and asking him to help. He is not the agent. He is the assistant. If we are going to get where we need to go men need to be fully equal coparents. For the complete schedule go to cspan. Org. We are here with karl rove, the author of the triumph of William Mckinley. Mr. Rove was a Senior Advisor for president george w. Bush the architect of his election and reelection in 202,004. Uses watershed election the changes Party Political process in the nation. It is all here. The personalities into plot. A great read for historians, political junkies and in our own wild election cycle america. Now carl i will pay you for that later. Awfully generous. Host lets introduce the man. Who was William Mckinley and what does he want . Guest and the most immediate sense is the governor of the state of ohio and throughout his entire career in congress from 17 1876 to 1890 is become the lead voice within the Republican Party with a policy of protecting tariffs governor of the critical battleground state, no president is elected as a republican between the civil war in 1904 has not been born in the state of ohio. He is an immediate prospect. Host how big is ohio relative to other states . Guest the fourthlargest state in the union. Most populous is new york. Interestingly enough to have the states of inconsistent battleground states in the gilded age politics, new york and ohio. Pennsylvania and illinois tend to lean reliably republican. In 18921892 cleveland carries the state of illinois by about three Percentage Points defeating the incumbent. Host what are his ambitions . Guest he wants to become president. There is some evidence that it has been and ambition his entire adult life. When he gets married his bride from one of the founding families confides upon their return from their honeymoon in new york and washington with her husband who has just been defeated the county attorneys job must be president of the United States. And she is thrilled by the prospect. The Republican Party has been beaten in the 1892 election. Berkeley cleveland is coming to office. Mckinley has been the governor of ohio. They think the election is going to be theres command he wants to be the nominee, but he is not the font the front runner. Host the depression happens after cleveland is elected. Guest the seeds begin to be seen the previous fall , but he gets elected in november. By the time he takes office in march the economy is moving downward. And it is enormously damaging. Longlasting and deep depression literally 15 percent of American Workers lost their jobs in all likelihood. We dont have good Economic Statistics like we have now come over talking about hundreds of thousands tossed out of their jobs. And one day alone one county and upstate new york, 10,000 workers were lego. Host as bad as 2008 or worse . Guest worse in some respects because these were not selfinflicted wounds like we have on the American Economic system with fannie and freddie dragging down a financial institution. Some of these were large forces that we suffered suffer through because we were developing country. The american economy, we were terribly dependent upon foreign sources of investment to build factories, to open minds, to operate smelters to open and build railroads. What happened is a series of international events, the failure of the crop in argentina, the bank in london, these things caused Foreign Investors to pull back. That accelerated lavinia blamed is the cause of the recession. The decline in americas gold reserves. If you dip below that hundred Million Dollars level there is a concern of the american dollar will become basically worthless. We have Paper Currency but the Paper Currency was a matter of convenience. Rather than carrying around athe pocket of large gold coins you can carry around paper money or conduct your business and paper money. Host the economy is in the tank, the republicans are hungry and helpful. Who weather front runners . Guest the speaker of the house remain, and intellectual, the largest private library, 5,000 volumes, french tutor and in a classic wit. In the runup to the 1896 election he talked about the coming election and said the democratic losses will be so plentiful that the defeated will be buried in unmarked graves. He was the fellow who once said the party could do no worse. He had a great wit and was the candidate backed by the leading figures of the Republican Party where the combine them of the party bosses led by the boss of new york and his running buddy. They had allies around the country, an odd collection of characters including one of the principal agents, james clarkson, publisher of the Des Moines Register and he got the name because he apparently had atrocious handwriting and we always send an article a column and would put our et clarkson at the top because he was afraid they would not be able to decipher his handwriting. The most important of which is clarkson and the fellow named Joseph Manley who is an aid to read and maine. Has not been an ally. The intro party rival, the magnetic man who has been secretary of state. Host also maine. Guest two men who had been lifelong rivals, one is out of politics and dead by 1896. The other is the dominant role in state politics and picked up manley. Host what is the combines vision for winning the election . Guest 1st and foremost oriented to what is in it for me. Very pragmatic very pragmatic people. They think that can be figured out if the convention is chaotic and they get to hold the cards and make the decisions. They nominally pledge support to the front runner. Benjamin harris and the discredited former president is thought of as a candidate. His becoming a dominant figure. The other part of the strategy is to get lots of sons around the country will unite state delegations and only get together at the convention no one will have a majority. We can carve up the patronage some of them thought they could be candidates. So governor bradley of kentucky, border state republican, not as frequently seen thinks of himself as one. Senator davis of minnesota, an expert in foreignpolicy is flatter enough. Governor of the state of new york is put forward. He is a potentially plausible candidate, but his principal purpose is to keep every new york republican in the pocket. Even if you did not like the easy boss you have a loyalty to your governor. There are couple other candidates who are potentially feel candidates the most prominent of which is William Allison of iowa who is a workmanlike solid legislator who creates the interstate Commerce Commission and is actually a legislator who gets things done. But most of them are people who think they can be president but cant. The senior senator from the state of illinois, never makes it as far as the convention is put into field by the blonde boss. An interesting character. By John Riley Tanner the illinois Republican Party chairman fancies himself and does become governor. Host what is William Mckinley out for . Guest out to restore prosperity. His fervent belief is that the policy of protective tariffs he had advocated in congress for a great many years is the path to prosperity. His focus is the american worker. He wants robust domestic markets and protection from cheap foreign labor imports. They believe he is not a defender of high tariffs for the purpose of making rich people richer. When he passes the mckinley tariff of 1890 which helps contribute to the republican defeat in the house and is remembered by many republicans is the thing that brought them defeat, in the passage of that he was constantly asking people not how much do you need to get rich but how much does your industry need in order to be properly protected from unfair foreign competition . Economists agree and all likelihood the policies he advocated did not advance americas Economic Growth the out what it would have been otherwise, but it is hard to understand why people felt so strongly about it, and his whole vision was a nationalistic program of economic progress host what is your path to the nomination . What hurdles to you have to jump to get there . Guest that is an interesting question is this becomes the 1st modern president ial primary nomination ballot. Before 1896 in the parlance of the times you put your faith in the hands of your friends. You had someone on your behalf move around the country wasted far away from it as possible, get your state of a couple other states and friends around the country to rally to your cause but expected to go into the convention with a generalized sense there was a front runner and other candidates and then t