Revolutionary at a time when people on the left and the right are handwringing about what to do about donald trump who has become president. You wrote a book about how to get things done. Tell me why you wanted to do this project. When did you start this project . Guest the day after the election. I had meetings planned with my agent, bob burnett, at the big publishers in new york the day after the election which i send donald trump would lose by 10 00 at night. I was probably the only person i can be sure, but i was probably the only person in 30 rock at nbc that night who voted for donald trump and i thought i would be home by 10 00 to do my readers show the next morning. We stayed until 2 a. M. And did much of the next morning. I saw the president speak at two am and was stunned, and if there was, i can sing this paper, if the meeting was like the nfl would also be in the concussion protocol. I went to all this may be expecting the to say thank you very much, we dont need a book on how to rebuild public and party. In they said we dont need a book. And you write a book about what republicans should do with president elect trump . I can do that. Can you do it in 60 days . I can do in 45. What would it be like to have a republican majority and republican president . I did focus the next 45 days, Simon Schuster put the boat out on the 24th, the monday after the president was sworn in and its about what . Conservatives ought to do to support the cars, what liberals ought to think about us and how we can get stuff done. Host what should liberals think about us . Guest that we have the best interest of the country at heart. We care about poor people. We do what people have health insurance. We want the military to be strong. There are ways to accomplish it and if they would open their ears to hearing an argument or read a book like the fourth way they might learn that we got a pretty good set of ideas that work repeatedly. The first way was at the ours wake of the government. The way was reagan, pull back to the third way was tony blair and bill clinton, the first way was back but with some conservative trimming around the windows. The forth what is hamiltons way and it is Donald Trumps which is a big strong federal government doing what ought to do in its enumerated powers and a lot of liberty and a lot of power. Host let me make sure you heard you as a conservative you said a big strong federal government. Guest in the areas in which powers are enumerated a big navy. 350 ships. And a bigger force, 1400 fighters. And a big part me and huge marine corps so they can kick in the door. A big fence. I want a big fence. Ive been arguing that for 10 years any book called painting the map read. Build a fence and we never reform immigration. President trump is building a fence. Host well get into, you have a lot of specifics so well get into some of the more nuanced edges but as you mentioned republicans now enjoy a majority. They wield tremendous power. The last time democrats had the white house, the senate and the house, i would say they didnt do much with it. They didnt catch immigration really. No tax reform, no entitlement reform. They didnt even touch guns or Climate Change really. What should the gop do to avoid sort of sitting on their power and not make the most of this opportunity . I think we will get something pure your number two, one big thing and i think it will be tax reform. Although, some people want to get rid of dodd frank and if we hang onto at the third big thing in the 2019th cycle will be to repeal dodd frank to those are our three big things to undo and what we can do is when we replace obamacare, a National Market, which the president talked about a race in alliance and you have to understand what is talk about it. You would get it, i get it, but what does that mean . One National Market for every insurance product and we can do a great deal on the judiciary with only 51 folks, thanks to senator reed. We can get a great deal done and then the courts can accomplish a great deal of limiting the federal government rule of law . Host back to the democrats and a squandering an opportunity, the things you mentioned they did not do was if i dont recall that one republican supported obamacare, so was that a mistake . Is there a lesson there for republicans Going Forward that these things might be more permanent if we get democratic buyin . Guest there is a lesson there when it comes to repeal because that which was passed without support can be undone with only our support, but if they want to do Something Like replace obamacare, it would be good to find a halfdozen to 20 democrats to agree and be brought along. For example, i want immigration overhaul. I think we wont deport 11 million people. Was the wall is billed i would like to regularize i dont want to reap repeal docket or let people in the country illegally though, so there is a middle ground where you can arrange to export and deport those people who are bad people who have committed felonies more violence in their record, but most of the 11 to 12 billion are not that and probably closer to 90 ago i live in california. I live with illegals every day and i understand the undocumented to be perfectly ordinary people trying to live their lives and improve themselves. I would not trump to deal with democrats on that sake you want to regularize, we will regularize and ill get these things for obamacare in return. There are deals to be done that would benefit the country and on that it would be useful to have democrats. Host while we are on immigration for so long republicans and democrats have benefited from a broken immigration system running elections on that and fund raise on that and i think people looking at President Trump wonder optimistically, maybe, that he does not come without baggage. He sees a problem. He wants to fix it and maybe he will be the president that fixes this broken immigration system, but he will need both parties. Guest let me turn around and ask you a question. Whatever donald trump does on immigration i think the charge of embassy bounces off of him. Do you agree with that . Host i would think so for many reasons. He has not created a perception that he will be kind on this issue. Guest the nixon to china moment comes and if only next it could sit down and not be accused of city being soft on the red and only trump can do an immigration deal and not be accused of amnesty, i mean, some people will. But, no one will hear him. Host on some of the specifics, you lay out, most would require more spending. Guest yes. Host infrastructure, the military, so i am a start of the beast conservative, so explain to me the value of more spending to get what we want. Guest most of the longterm deficit despite entitlement reform in the last chapter of the book is about raising the retirement age sequentially over many years incrementally to where its 70 to 72 given whats happened with human aging. Doing things that will reform entitlement, block it granting medicaid to the states with a limit on what they get and reform medicare with vouchers and im not afraid of the v word. Was not a lot of money is 85 million and thats since eight president obama got a hundred 50 million my argument is to give them one to have what we did president obama, 85 billion, and let him spend it through local agencies that he controls and he will build trump trophies. 85 billion is not a lot of money. Rebuilding the military is. We ought to be willing to put 4 of its gdp or maybe more. We are a day to an half percent low into its national defense, so its a lot of money. Epa, cut cut cut, agriculture, cut cut cut , u. S. Fish and wildlife, there is a lot of money to be cut, but i would give him what i call non committed discretionary dollars to do with as the president promised he would do. Host and on that infrastructure, he talked about this at his campaign with somewhat publicans worried about how much he would spend in the early days how do you think its shaping out to look, what donald trump lets do an immigration and if he has democratic support to do it. Guest on this very day i got a call from a republican congressman, senior conservative unnamed, worried about spending and read about the need for a under donald trump and mike argument is he one, he campaigned on a few things specifically the wall and another is 350 ships in the navy and the other is as infrastructure, basically nothing else and trade deals and boy do i disagree on trade. Ima free trade. I did not like that he got out of tt p, but he won and hes doing what he said. My argument is the only office elected nationally and if he runs on a specific things he gets a mandate. Ronald reagan ran on eight huge navy and tax cut and he got those things. President obama and on a stimulus and obamacare and he got those things and when you when you get what you want to keep in tag on details, but it may be shortterm expensive and longterm advantageous. Host there are republicans that are worried . Guest very much. Host Big Government conservative. Guest even bigger than George W Bush and theres a lot of republicans that dont believe hes a republican. On the stage i would sit there and listened him talk about things and spending Ima Paul Ryan republican, im a reagan republican, liberty republican. Host morning americas. Thats not what we heard on a map inauguration day. Guest but, he won and i understand that american carnage. The speech startled me. What did you think . Host i like many parts, but as a conservative it didnt really capture the optimism i think a lot of his supporters have going into tomorrow. Guest we listened to it on my radio show and in fact he made me listen to and he made me read reagans first inaugural and i had forgotten this because when reagan took over from carter inflation was going along at 14 and the like which he, he did not use carnage, but used a lot of word like destruction and destroyed. It was a dark speech or four years lady its morning america so i listened without and i also thought about moonlight. Have you seen the light movie . Host no. Guest i think it will win best picture, i hope it will. Its about a eightyear old africanamerican child with a crackhead mom who Sexual Orientation is up for grabs and he is gay and he doesnt know what that means and he lives in a drug infested neighborhood. Host make me want to see it because you are not. Guest its a story of how to survive and it takes an affluent anglo like me to a world i never go to nor have ever seen an great movies do that. They take you someplace youve never been or can go. Host there is some redemption, i hope the. Guest there is some redemption and it may not be what you would approve up, but there is redemption and compassion and it shows american carnage is not about white america. Its about all of america suffering under the drug culture and grinding conditions of lawlessness. Trump is correct, there is a lot of the country and anglo america, jd vance is is about hamilton ohio. On from ohio mall zero how. And Opioid Epidemic and his mom was a drug abuser, six dads, his natural father gave him up. He said hillbilly grandmother and grandfather with violence every night Guns Everywhere being sent screaming and yelling, dysfunctional family getting worse. The carnage in america is real. Trump called it out and he wants to fix it. Host that book resonated a lot, but i just read today that the illinois governor said that trump has not called about the violence in chicago and they have not had that discussion. Let me grant President Trump is only like a couple days into his presidency and hes already done a lot, but do you see the words translating into action when it comes to those connections he made with people in the rust belt at bluecollar manufacturers . Guest yes, i saw the first day he did more outreach for van president obama did in a year to his opposition. When he brought in the carpenters union, Steelworkers Union the cross, he brought in that craftsman and i grew up in uniontown. Yet the plumbers people in and these are men and women who build the things and work with their hands and he is expanding his coalition and i believe my light touch industrial policy again conservative, but if you do a Corporate Tax cut paul ryan speaker told me they want a five half percent grace period, so if you come back and youve got to enter billion dollars parked overseas and if you bring that and we will only tax five half percent. It will generate eight enormous amount of revenue and if i am donald trump i think you bet, but before we let them use that they have to build their next plant, their next campus and lets colette what is joe bidens favorite . Scranton, young stem, wisconsin because of the example i used of ann arbor. I went to law school in michigan and is a Wonderful University town, but its downtown is empty and worn out and run down. Now, its a light, a fire because five years ago google box 60 acres and moved their campus there and when you put googles second largest investor america into ann arbor, the whole town explodes with startups and Service Industries and young engineers and developers and all of that stuff. If you do that with facebook in a different state and apple in a different state and i saw that fox cant once to build a 7 billiondollar flat Screen Production facility somewhere in the us. If i am President Trump i, 25 to 50000 jobs depend on how big it is good jobs, hey, great you are going to build and scranton or youre not going to build it or not of the blue states because thats the blue wall coming down and that is light touch industrial policy. Host is a light touch because republicans complained about democrats wendy to interfere in private businesses in more ways than one. When President Trump calls up a Business Owner and says it build it here or you are not building it anywhere is that really light touch . Guest yes. Im from california and i have seen rick perry for the last 12 years coming to california like velcro fingers he totally comes in and steals businesses because his tax rate is good over here, so if we are going to lower the Corporate Tax rates and make a lot of money it is light touch to say i dont care where you build it, but you will build a campus here and by the way it would be great if you belted in one of the blue states that voted for me. Abets light touch. Host i want to quote you to you , which for me is uncomfortable, but bear with us. You have a good line in here about the key of weakness. You say trump Vice President pentz, speaker ryan, mature, if they governed in the key of we inclusivity, energetically, joyously celebrate freedom and prosperity markets are happy people. They want it and to the political carnage that goes back to the impeachment of bill clinton, quick dissolution of 911 unity, post iraq hyper person attacks on president bush, the panic, the bailouts, the coercion of obamacare, the breaking of the filibuster and the nastiest and Longest Campaign in modern times i remember all of that as well. Is trump the guy who can transcend this devices us versus them and as you say in viewer and usher in an era of goodwill . Guest its not rhetorically in his wheelhouse. Hes not a gifted order, but what he does, he went to an africanamerican church in the campaign. He didnt say much. He kind of sway the old white guys way and i get that. If you show up you are saying a lot so i would like to see him show up in the innercity, as show up in santa ana california which is probably more home to more mexicans in one place than any other city in concentrated form in the us. I live in Orange County about 10 miles from there, so i would like to see him show up in communities that send a message of inclusiveness and i would like him to keep his twitter feist fight with the media. I dont mind him fighting with the media. Hyman roth and the godfather, this is the business we have chosen. Someone once to say to me on a National Stage or low rated talk show host, Lindsey Graham never whenever he sees me he brings that up. Thats okay. Bite with us, delphi with americans who cant punch back. Dont punch down. Punch up. Punch up at the networks, wall street, the russians, the syrians. Dont punch americans and i think he if he does that he can hit the key of we. Host i got the trumpet twitter treatment as well. Guest did you . Host yes its actually a badge of honor. Guest they dont like not being in that class. Host call me a loser. Guest you are a loser, im low rate. Host remarkable times. When did you decide trump was going to get your vote because i know you interviewed him more than a dozen times and i know you told him to quit the race at least once on twitter. Where did you get to the place you said this is who im voting for. Guest the history is not interesting to anyone that me, but i was switzerland during the whole campaign. You have to be fair. When he won i said i am for you. Ive always been for the republican nominee. He attacked the judge in a broadcast, a judge with stage four cancer and i said if you dont talk stop it it will kill you. I campaigned for him. We barnstormed for donald trump all through the summer. Along comes the access Hollywood Video and im a practicing Roman Catholic and its very disturbing for me and i also thought he would get wiped out, so i asked him to please withdraw. He did it withdraw, so my choices donald trump or hillary clinton. With the Supreme Court i said back in january before he was the nominee, some people boxed themselves invite being never trump and you end up having a binary choice, hillary or donald and i went with trump and when it came down to it i decided on that day of the election to vote for him. I said i would wait. I didnt want another access Hollywood Video the morning of the election, so i would not commit after that. I was burned. I thought they must have more. I was convinced they had more and people were dealing the russian dossier, but i did not believe that. All