Guest dark room and a skyscraper. So looking forward to meeting you. Host you look like youre over the new york skyline. I dont see a billboard. Guest thats a lie. , thats why theyre so advertisement for your book behind you, right . Guest may be like drag queen style. Host we will see it. Just in case anyone on the planet as missed it, youre just written and published your first book, dangerous. I noticed on the table of contents that pretty much everybody hates you. So according guest it does feel that way climate according to the table of contents we have a number of people who hate you. I guess you would say that the Progressive Left takes you, the altright hate you, twitter hates you, feminists hate you, black lives matter hq, the median pay cheaper at the list. So my question is, you sold off a lot of books or somebody who is hated by everyone. Who is buying the book . Guest that is true. It is now at week four on the New York Times bestseller list. Simon schuster dropped that nobody else big dipper imagine a publisher trinket down. Its hard to believe. I am very happy, ive been very happy with the reaction. I think what happened is people, i had a bit of a drama in february where something, out of my mouth a year and half ago or something on one of those long latenight live streams. I get like seven hours of any today and occasion something will come out of your mouth halffull but you dont think that happen. I apologize for that and what happened afterwards is why i love america so much. People are so forgiving. If th they believe that you gava sincere account of what went wrong and if they know that by and large youre a good decent person putting out good decent products and the really want to hear more from you, then i think they are very accommodating and forgiving. Host asked that exact of my memory of the way that went down. Guest yeah. And to think people have been great. The media of course are pigs and repugnant, but actual americans are fine. They are lovely, wonderful, decent people and they can see through the spin. They can see through the garbage and he think from my point of view thats what happened. Host what did you write this book for . Guest so the book is written basically, my primary audience skews enormously younger that a lot of conservatives. Thats why cspan, excuse me, by cpac, a bit of a controversy about speaking there because its traditionally assembled by much older evangelical social conservative christian types. The sort of people who hate the president. I think perhaps there just offputting or unsettled by my still of conservatism, which is much more relaxed about certain social things, much more come first to get some social things like immigration and islam that there too terrified to touch. A little bit more, a little bit soft on this kind of church of free enterprise. That think that now people can associate me with steve bannon and breitbart, i am a product of that intellectual into land. I do believe in that stuff. Most importantly i believe in peoples right to discuss it into defendant and actually to discuss and defend anything. Host let me ask you about that because it seems to me and im sure to you like the left has gone a little crazy with the election of donald trump. How do you explain that . Guest theres an earnestness and, i mean look, the left invented Political Violence was funny to watch places like the daily beast in vanity fair publishing articles that may be the left is a problem with violence. What did you mean . You invented it. You literally invented it. They are the people who want social change, the people who want to tear down institutions and replace them with even they dont know. Of course theyre the ones who will reach for violence when their arguments fail. Host whats the problem . Guest essentially the difference i think between conservatives and liberals is that conservatives by their nature want to preserve things. They want to maintain the status quote or at least they would like change that has been properly looked into and researched and thought about. They want change based on data, reason, logic and evidence. Thats in short supply in the media, because the left believes in a number of conspiracy theories, number of total myths. The gender pay gap is a myth. The campus rape culture epidemic is a myth. There are dozens of others. Like lance black lives matter is completely uprooted by the rally of who kills who in america. There are all kinds of things like that, and a as a journalist in britain coming to america cant imagine this would be the land of the free, the nation of the First Amendment, i thought perhaps foolishly that those of you to country you could be, do and say anything. What i discovered is that is true but only if you are leftwing. If you look at the beginning of the book use quotes from sarah r assortment of people like that. Sarah before she contracted feminism was really funny comedian. She used to tell great jokes about everyone. These days, however, shes best known for screwing up on twitter because she has written to something probably but wants to send a signal to a friend. With the result she is becoming really unpopular. Amy schumer was never tempted a funny but has what politics. We are instructed not only to find brilliantly funny and incredible but also beautiful. Shes been on the cover fashion magazines. You are not saying look at this person, youre saying be like this person. Anyone in the country wants to be like amy schumer, particularly not after the car crash of a movie she just did with poor goldenrod who came out of retirement to be in that abomination. And her special for netflix which was the least funny thing i feel a netflix. Host let me ask your question about change. You talk about conservatives wanting to preserve things and yet, you call yourself a conservative, i think. You consider yourself a conservative . Guest i think that any movement, any movement that, whether it is an intellectual movement or a social activist movement requires people from all across the spectrum. Theres a chapter in my book where i go for Establishment Republicans. I really go for the washington d. C. Types for the sorts of people watching this program and were coming into this determined to hate me. I the end that michael is just that they hate me slightly less. Maybe it wont after this. Conservatives have accomplished absolutely nothing to win the cultural wars in the last 30 years. They have some a managed to scramble into office but when they get into office they do nothing with it. They dont achieve anything or cultish anything. Host are you talking that republicans or conservatives . Guest im talking about threpublican establishment, talking about the think tanks and magazines in washington, d. C. Im talking about even some of the conservative imprints at major publishers. They dont take risks. Im talking about in particular republican politicians are all of the people that hate donald trump massively ineffective, useless people who say one thing and do another. And whose values have drifted from ordinary Americans Care about so much that he dont think the republican party, minus trump, can claim to speak for anyone in america anymore except the superrich. The democrats are right about that, and they did a good job of clinging onto power. But theyve done a really bad job of making sure that they are a powerful and a presence to be feared in the arena that actually matter. When you get the oval office in this city and the congress youve already lost the battle. Im talking hollywood, im talking about the media, College Campuses. Host how do you change those things . Guest you do what im doing what you d get attention, you start discussions. Nothing in the last 30 years has done as much to raise Public Awareness about the wacky politics on campus at uc berkeley writes that attribute. 20 people of god uc berkeley and havent been able to speak. People of god to colleges and at by the protest but nobody is quite been able to generate the come nobody is quite been able to show the left for what they really are, like me. This book is about how i got to that stage. Who else is on the chopping block whether it it silicon valy assessment republicans, all the threats to his free speech in america do as i see it visitor to america from europe. Host tell us how you got here. Guest how do we get you back . How do we send you away . I married, getting ready somebody i love very much, so good luck with that. Im afraid im here to stay. But i will say, i started a telegraph, i suppose it will that may be New York Times, the Washington Post with centerright rather than centerleft as they both are. I got a really good training in british journalism, rigor and seriousness but also mischief and fun and sat there. My mentor at the telegraph was a great admirer of the way that newspaper had been in the 70s and 80s when you publish satirical columns. I picked up a love as a think many of us have for quite subtle, sophisticate satire, sort of multilayer provocation designed outrage companies and educate. That doesnt fit very well in americas current public sphere where everybody is just desperate to be upset about something. For instance, at uc irvine i give a talk about what black lives matter dont care about black lives. I do so as a gay jewish immigrant with a black boyfriend dressed in police that did do with the chuck black dildo water bottle. There are so many things that are on an interesting about it. I dont see anything like that happening in culture. I dont see any musicians taking big risk. Marilyn manson one of my heroes shouldve been a trump support. If only because of how much it would have annoyed everybody. But even he crumbled and even he did the music be deficient in the cavity or shooting somebody looks like donald trump. It was a disappointing to me that he was in the 90s that i grew up with, the dissident messages countercultural warriors who were being totally unfairly pilloried by the religious right in this country, over without evidence cleaning that this stuff could make you violent or make you whatever. Didnt come to the defense of trump, me, however you like in the Broad Spectrum of this new populist uprising on the right which is one of the most interesting things to happen in american politics for half a decade. Its so interesting. What i found disappointing, so display was those heroes of mine from the 90s had basically gone soft. They had gone native. The only exception to that is very careful about his public pronouncements, and just for questioning, you know, and established norms politically correct utterances, and just for observing that he went to a dent in hollywood where nobody would admit theyre going to vote for trumpet everyone was planning to. Hes now yelled that when he goes out to dinner in hollywood as a racist and a trump supporter. Thats why they dont do it because it will destroy their careers. Host let me ask you let me ask you about hell raising. You put on a family show with your boa ball is in your jewelrd your fabulous outfits. I guess one question is how do you make sure that people who what youre saying if they might be too busy watching what you doing or looking at you . How did he get past the shell and you the message . Guest if you watch my shows which most people dont, and if you just read the headlines and dont come if we just read the headlines, listen to turtles, believe what you read on twitter and you never picked up by book and youve never come to one of my shows, i can imagine why a lot of people feel that question is a given example. I i did a show about abortion. I am like rabidly prolife. I did a show about abortion and i started it, i was stressed beautifully and the started it by handing out posters that were signed and numbered by me like theyre kind of precious merchandise, like madonna was giving out photos of people made in the front three rows. But they were photos of aborted fetuses. They were so shocking and people were just like, what the what . Then i came out and gave a talk that was rooted in studies, data and evidence. Whilst making but at the hypocrisy Progressive Left. If you actually read it, if you actually pick up a copy of the book, if you come to one of my shows its impossible to climb that just because i nation to get peoples attention with shock tactics and with showmanship, the left want to believe theres a substance with me. I want you to believe im a clown, im an attention seeker. But it is impossible to maintain that position if you read anything of right or come to one of my shows. Host let me ask you about stuff youve written. I have read your book. I loved by the way. Theres a lot of really interesting things can also learn statistics and examples. Let me have you written on a couple of things that you said in the book. One thing you said was that i really like, never again let the left tell you that they are the ones fighting bigotry. They are, in fact, its greatest defender. Explain what you mean by that. Guest what im seeking, the reason the left hates me so much is i am kind of like living disproof of the two central tenets of american progressivism. What is Political Correctness. I am smashing that norm and demonstrating that nothing bad happens when you crack a joke the summary says that racist. No, it was really funny and all my friends thought it was okay and go screw yourself frankly. Number two is, the main thing they hate is the sound of laughter. They really, really hate, the first thing to go in any new author to enriching a site or because he didnt want to laughing at them. Identify the thing the left hates the most, this is why i take some credit for the tanner and the character of the populist nationalist revolution in america because i started by being the first person who stood up in the belly of the beast at uc berkeley, uc irvine, uw seattle and just laugh at them. I left at them. They are selfevidently ludicrous. The social justice warriors who believe in conspiracy theories who want to break down traditional gender star types otherwise known as science and turns us into these hideous warthogs in the process and then complete nobody wants of sex with them. I am laughing at them because nobody can resist the truth wrapped in a good job. The second thing more preventer question which is important is identity politics. American has a disease and it is that, and i never express this before i came to her. I went to school with, i went to a fairly wealthy school in london, in london, in the southeast of england. And nonetheless, we had probably, well, we had a much higher of ethnic minority in that school and wealthy schools in america do. We had a lot of asians, by which any indian subcontinent. We had a lot of black kids in the school. Im thinking back to my school days and unthinking angela was cool. There are five things i think about angelo before member that he was black. But over here, you meet somebody and you made a start to make assumptions about the base on their skin color. Nbc news calls me a white nationalist. Knowingly lies and called it a white nationalist. Ive got these ten minute rants in my college talks about how i hate the stuff and, if youre going to identity politics you got to let white people do it. But i would rather nobody had it. Because it is poisonous and toxic when you judge people by their skin color, their sexuality with her gender. These things are not relevant to reasons debate about politics or about social policy. Like your white white said no ro talk about expect this ca kind f stuff that has infected journalism, infected academia and is now spiraling into hollywood and you start seeing hints of it on screen and you see in casting decisions like only a trained person can play a trans whatever. J davidson who played a trans hooker in the crying game, and then i think more famously played in stargate quit acting after those tool two was because didnt like the attention. He wasnt trans but he gave one of the most compelling, beautiful and brilliant portrayals of the challenges and horror of being a transgender person in america decades before the left exactly. That happened decades before the left decided trainees with the new big thing anybody has to balance greater the phone after im sorry but this idea that what you are is more important than who you are. That how you were born is more important than what you have learned in which you aspire to be. What your values are you are as a human being. If you took Martin Luther kings i have a dream speech and told College Campuses that it was stabbed by trump they would say it was racist. Seriously. I intend to do so on that extra by the adobe to larrys. We will take a of different quotes from black activists and say this is a Jeff Sessions to what you think about it . Host are you doing a trolling to work . Guest it is called troll academy. So the last two are, i, allowed to say the last the dangers of cheap talk was decided to speak to american College Campuses and america at large to the book i think a stunt that through to a much wider audience. We have sold well in excess of 100,000 copies of the book, first month i think i made 1. 2 1. 2 million in the first month on the book. We made so much more money now. Host thats actually. Guest its doing really, really well. Astonishing wealth and with a big hassle free speech i will invite all the people the left hates most votes. Uc berkeley a weeklong celebration of mischiefmaking i think will do good things for the book. But yes, that kicks off my settlements to her. We have dates in south america, australia, london, germany sweden and, of course, all over the united states. I think were doing ten dates in california, ten dates in florida. Host so is called rolling academy. Trolling. Guest in my book i make a distinction between trolling in mere cruelty. In my view trolling done correctly, trolling done for our purpose is intended to reveal things that Polite Society wonl tell you or isnt allowed to say. Id like to think of myself as sort of a purchase troll like trolling for the good lord, you know . I will provoke, i mean it. Host i thought you were too good to troll . Guest its a bit of a joke. I tell jokes that only my fancy get anybody else because of it in america is so earnest. At dont else takes at face value because no offense but you all dont really get ironing. This is a constant risk of being a european and america. Its like i call us of the most likely does fill in on the network nobody in america pickst for the word fabulous that i might be single slightly tongueincheek. Because if i were a super though i might not describe myself as idealists. Host you probably wouldnt. Although you might have a fabulous costume. Most super villains do. Guest im wearing my new favorite thai for you today. Even my grown up cspan outfit is fabulous. Like nobody in america seems to understand the most by the super bowl on the internet might just be a bit tongueincheek. Come on. The reason for this, this feeds into the trolling, is america is forgotten how to laugh because are going to so terrified of telling any good jokes. Have you heard a good joke on v recently . I havent. Look at the john all all of her special about Alex Jones John Oliver hes roasting alex jones for 22 and half minutes. He doesnt land a single punch. He doesnt give a single good joke. I happen to like alex what i dont agree with a lot of what he says. He gets something spectacularly wrong but but i think hes sin. I did an interview with him the other day that was done phenomenal. A series sedan between me and him. I find it fascinating, whether not hes wrong about something i came to him as human being faceting. I tried asking the serious questions that megyn kelly didnt. I just found people like him, and me, with our performance artist to a degree. We do not mind being clownish, although i wouldnt describe us as clowns. For the cspan audience i suppose the best analogy is going to be falstaff. We dont like people laughing at us if were the only people telling the truth in the room. And okay, nobody in the court realizes it but everybody watching the play does. The court as the american establishment, they dont give me. They are too stupid. American journalists are the dumbest species in the world. I have met and, ive met charles and practice journalism in five different countries, and american journalist are by clear margin the dumbest people in the world. The people with iqs of 95 to interview those of us with iqs of them well, i wont brag. They are just a capable of understanding subtly or nuance and what he detected the use as an opportunity to cry racism. Anything remotely ambiguous and his racist. Trolling is, for me, trolling is about sweeping away all concerns about what people might say about you or think about you, that if you tell the truth and you do it in an entertaining way that youll win way more fans than the media has made enemies for you. And i am proof of that. Donald trump is proof of that. There are plenty of other people in this new populist new right move in on unit who are proof of that. With the exception of the president , im the biggest personality in that ecosystem but theres lots of us. What they all have in common, what theyre realizing is theres things even rightleaning rightleaning publication will bracingly unknowingly lie to the public about. Thats not okay. The reality described by the media, the rally out there, they are like this. Host you said something really interesting in your book about media bias, which i thought was fascinating. Because we all talk about media bias. We face it a lot at regnery. I know you face it ever since you came here. But you said that social media bias is far more dangerous than Mainstream Media bias. What does that mean . Guest are you kidding . Its not even close. The good news is no one chess journalist anymore. They are right not to trust journalist and over he that today. Trump didnt do it too thin. I didnt do it to them. They get to themselves. They consistently lied by omission, misrepresented things, covered like walltowall coverage of rush when this evidence of anything and then tiny come to things that americas might want to know about. You cant trust any major broadcast news network to accurately whats going on in your own country. Thats horrifying. Americans a respondent according to the polling with their feet. They are just tuning out. Look at, there are women who vote for trump who dont like the guy, and when there interviewed they said the meeting went for him so hard i realized something was up. I just stopped listening to the noise. I watched him and i watched hillary, and a decided i didnt want hillary. I just stop listening to what the press had to say. That is i think whats coming for every journalists everywhere if they dont raise the game, if they dont up their professional ethics hosting what does that mean for guest that problem is nothing compared to the threat of Silicon Valley and the politics which are even crazier than the politics of Mainstream Media. Mainstream media is like medium left almost exclusively on everything. Trump is perceived as being very right wing. I dont think he is that i think you centerright, but because of the language he uses hes like smashing through Political Correctness taboos which of course i love. Thats why i love him so much. Thats really important because hes like, he may be unwittingly even is the primary defender of the First Amendment in america today. That is in a close second except perhaps for me. Hes the guy who is emboldening people to say how they really feel without being afraid. Sociologists call this falsification. Like before the fall of the berlin wall your people were like yes, communism is one of i love living here. The man is also the everybody was a westerner. Thats called preference falsification. For instance, yes im a feminist. Everyone is like th people are insane man hating bullies who tell lies. I need an easy life and a dont want to get hauled into with Silicon Valley if you look at the politics of twitter which is black lives matter, on the wall of services offices, figure give it an insurance case of literally in bed with black lives matter activist spirit if you look at google who this week fired a guy for public, circulating unreasonable, calm, fair, totally scientifically justified in treaty for google to reps listen to other points of view, he was fired. He was fired for precisely the reason he suggested in the memo, which was that google is utterly intolerant of politics that differ from the politically correct topdown far left social justice consensus about feminism, black lives matter, transgender as in, all the rest of it. His offense of which the science is far from settled. Host but in your book you talk about how not just how people in Silicon Valley and people running facebook and google and twitter are left, but how that pervades the social media, that we all live on especially anyone under 30. Whats the guest i am patient zero on this because i was the first highprofile person to get banned from twitter for being too funny and to effective. New York Magazine which is pretty far left admitted in print theres nothing he says which steps outside the respectable regional conservative mainstream. I dont think the use respectable and reasonable. They said theres nothing he says that you would hear on fox. He just tells beachy jokes about it. I gay guy, stop the presses. Its like they didnt and because of my opinions as i dont believe anything that millions of ordinary americans dont believe. Im just too clever and funny and defective and dangerous to them so they had to get rid of me. They waited for me to the running with a black female actors because of course disagree with a black woman is host is racist. Guest completed off limits. Funny thing about that, the reason like me so much is they see the cat between how i am described in the reality. The people who like me, my fans can wait to read the review i posted of ghostbusters. What did they find . I defended leslie jones. In the way that many of my fans wouldnt have liked. I said i think its kind of sad that a black woman on tv has to do this routine, stereotypical black female character. Like images of the woman on screen who happens to be black . Know, with ever doing the whole like whatever routine, you know. I defended her. I said im sorry she was directed into that. On twitter i made fun of for because why not . Journalist cant make fun of a celebrity . Gimme a break. I was making fun of myself. I said im glad they cast a hot black dude making for my own sexual preferences and a different of the fact shes ugly can which she is. Now i journalist cant call a celebrity ugly . In the land of the First Amendment. Of course journalist willingly lie and they of course all friends of twitter. They willingly lie to credulous readers saying he whipped up a storm of racist hate. No. Im sorry. Do you say the same thing about Justin Bieber when he breaks up with so many comas and has public rallies with a notional get Death Threats . Do say the same thing with beyonce knowing taylor swift . Is a double standard and only applies to conservatives. The problem of the media is sort of being sold i think by the free market. The interview i did with npr which they will have because i came across as to reasonable unlikable, eventually we bullied them into a about 3 million which i posted in full on you too. I explain this stuff and i said well, the problem is they dont really want to discover People Fairly and accurately because they are worried people might see a conservative and find them interesting and persuasive and reasonable. I have been called everything. I think all sexist, nationals, homophobic, a pedophile. You name it, its been in the pages of the major newspapers. Host you the pretty interesting ally right now, somebody defending you that it wouldnt necessarily expect to see next you and that the aclu. So tell us how you any aclu have somehow come together in a fight for free speech. Guest well, once every millennium the aclu gets it right. I dont mean to be mean. The approach us which i was impressed by. My hunch for the aclu is people who run it are pretty standard there pretty good on the First Amendment, pretty reasonable and pretty fair but they have trouble keeping the troops in line. They have a bunch of like 25, 30yearold activist for off the deep end social justice warriors. Those warriors require the aclu to hate me or they will quit or cause a fuss or whatever. We express our concerns about the language that their good use about me in their whatever at the top boss agreed and said look, youre not wrong. They approached me. We agreed on how were going to talk about each other, given that i hate every position they take except maybe this one, you know . But theres a higher principles involved in what matters. Youve got to give them their dues, give them credit for coming to me. What do attending to do what you think it wouldv would unfairlyi can show the First Amendment is bipartisan and is a higher principle and the more important thing that any one plaintiff in any one complaint. I am the lead plaintiff in a case that includes cell like to make abortion pills. I definitely think more disgusting and hideous on the planet, i think these people are murderers. But they should be allowed to speak. They should be allowed to advertise. I dont know whether they should be allowed to do what theyre doing but if they are fishing allowed to advertise. I wanted to do a press conference and it would let me. I wanted to do a press conference and she opened like chinchilla and leather boots and a to g love the hat and say look, nobody here agrees, exactly him nobody agrees with anyone else on anything. I for instance, am in a 30,000 chinchilla coat. You probably think thats discussing what we can all agree [laughing] but the point is that the higher principle and the government should have no business in deciding what speech is quoteunquote controversial. They also shouldnt banter pressured appear where all the other as were rejected but my ads were not. My ads offered changes can we made the changes. Theyve on the washington, d. C. , metro. They were up 14 days or something people started to complain and defend them. They basically bowed to pressure from social justice activists and took down posters because they have such a woolly guidelines can i wont even call them fuse because there meaningless. Thats not okay. The government has no business caving to activist. Thats the hecklers veto, you are not allowed to do that. They are wrong and im seeing them back by the aclu. In a lawsuit with codefendants say hey, i think that is a coplans, rather, i think thats an example of exactly how it ought to be doing things which is people who under ordinary circumstances would never be seen them together come together in service of a higher principle which is the First Amendment, saying to whatever you want. And by the way, the washington, d. C. , metro, talk about controversial content, our case, suit says a government shouldnt be involved in policing controversial content. My posters were pictures of my face. With a press quote, my face is a hate crime now. Apparently disfiguring. Maybe women were just thinking on the metro and it became a health issue. Host swooning i think is a word. Guest my face, a quote about me from the press and the time of the book. Thats it. Thats it. Literally the least controversial thing ive ever done. The least talking say that ive made is putting picture of my face up. Host heres another statement. Let me throw this wenatchee. Im interested in what you think about this. You say in your book that those who are frightened of speech are almost always frightened of something else. What do you think the left is frightened about . What are they frightened of . Guest the left are frightened because they are losing, because they have endured, theyve enjoyed, rather, complete cultural dominance in all of the three major fields of culture, academia, media and hollywood. Conservatives have done absolutely nothing to win in any of those the Prime Minister in fact, they havent even bothered to show up to the fight. Im sorry if there any but he watches because they are probably cspan viewers, but these overpaid, that come uses self interested, corrupt idiots, yes im talking about you, if youre watching this, who have accepted billions of dollars from rich republican donors to form these think tanks and publish these policy papers, and write long essays in magazines. What have you achieved . Nothing, nothing. These people call me a claim. What does that make them . After two years, two years ive done more to, first of all, draw attention, is that even a sorry state. It is an apocalyptic situation on american College Campuses, that they are now systemically incapable of performing their basic function. Conservatives have done nothing to fix it. I have. Theres some examples of this. I have done more, im sorry to break the people used to buy now i think, i have done more for the image of gays in which michael real america, whether its the midwest or the south, you know, by being a conservative and not being cast as matthews or any of these like oh my god people in television, just being normal funny, but like not being a queen and having, demonstrating that its okay if your son turns out to be gay, is going to end up on a roof chained to a Nuclear Reactor getting pulled down by the the Police Project of his politics. I really, really like, excuse my il rephrasing for your audi. I would enjoy the company of gentlemen, you know, and i am flamboyant and i dressed gay and all of the rest of us sometimes what it was like the bible and of really like guns. Thats okay. And i like small government, too. I really dont want to pay taxes. These two positions ought to be completely obvious. Guns, we have like celebrities in the media and politicians and everybody telling us dont be so mean about islam and all the rest of the meanwhile the killing 50 of us in our land of nightclubs and is the ice is that its not terrorism. It is mainstream muslim culture. Im sorry to say it might hideous. The muslims who come over here make it even worse. They go the other direction. Look at the stats, the pew steps in uk which show successive generation of muslims getting more radicalized, not less overtime. American muslims are slightly different in some respects as the study just came out showed. There is the problem and nobodys talking about it. Gave people should be lined up outside gun stores to protect themselves. Thats just logic. This is why biden also so many gave people support from because it okay the white house didnt issue a dashing gay pride proclamation like were so happy to support quality and diversity and blah, blah, blah. For days with iqs above add associate that with the sort of pointless banter of the democrats. The democrats added to blacks and do nothing for them. Pandered to glaze and welcomed in radical islam. What do people want to cease action network. For donald trump to sensing the muslim ban, i was at home like applauding at the television. Somebodys doing something. Thats an unpopular position. It is at least logically consistent. I think ive done more for the image of the case in places like the midwest and the south then 30 years of pandering democrats and gay charities. After what they did following orlando, the pulse nightclub and orlando saying lets the let the hate winter its not this turning to islamophobia. 50 of us it did enjoyed about job pulling . The people and put up with this are much longer. Host you have a pretty interesting list of u. S. P. Q. Mentioned donald trump. You and donald trump share frankly a lot of the sort of dustesting you guys are both disruptors. You have an interesting list of people that you name in your book that you actually, you know, think of as may be fighting the same fight and a pretty interesting. Youve got margaret thatcher, madonna, tucker carlson, rupaul, julie on assange, donald trump. What do these people have in common . I think with these people have in common is that they all believe fervently and free speech and free expression. If id been doing what i do in the 90s, i think i would have been doing the same to the religious right that i am today to the Progressive Left. Ive come over as a visit from your and i am socially conservative, fine, but i wouldve come, fiscally conservative but ive come over here and ive identified what i believe are the threats to free expression, free speech. Ive done that by saying some outrageous stuff and watching to see who gets upset. Although Establishment Republicans dont like me because they dont like the site of the party crumbling from beneath them, they did that to themselves by ignoring their own voters, i mean, if youre some of the stuff bill kristol says when he thinks nobodys listening, some of the stuff he tweets and did you tell it to somebody who works in a factory in wisconsin or wherever, these people do not represent at all, even a little bit. Its amazing to me. Ive been here for what, two years, you have and have a better grasp on ordinary americans and these people are paid to know. What all the speed 11, and think on the flight of the book i list darth vader. I think what you all have in common is they all had a natural disposition to irritate the establishment. In their own way with varying degrees of substance all accomplished something. I dont like the fact donald trump clearly doesnt read. He doesnt read books. I dont think as much of a grasp of detail but then again neither did reagan. His instinct so great. His instinct are fantastic and there are things i like about him enough for me to be a fan. I dont like the fact he doesnt beat, im not going to lie. Marilyn manson, you know, much smarter and every knows by now because i see an interview with him to realize the shock drop persona versus a guy getting it is, they are the supers and delete the same things, but theres a lot of thought that is cut into Marilyn Manson the creation. I think the more that i make inroads into doing interviews like this the more the people realize the same as going on with me. With madonna you realize shes a brilliant business one. Even if shes shoving things, a band on stage and all the rest of it. I dont think this is i think this is true. Imagine madonna in the 90s or videos being banned by mtv, and it created a sense it was irresistible to everybody want to see the video. The baby was also great and the music was also great. Mtv was been in a recent debate under 40,000 stupid. Thats really what turned into a megastar. Whos the closest to that today likes is it me . Driver that sounds like its great. Guest i think it is very think its stupid i think im madonna in the 90s. Cspan is for particular audience but is not a major Mainstream Media broadcast. I havent been interviewed once, not once. Barnes and noble with the fight and to get my books, even in stock. They had these great out buttons with the stock couldnt even order cook some really shady stuff is going on over there. Simon schuster dropped it. Host you can turn into great meaty. Guest of course i did. I have a very interesting phone call i recorded that a make today a Vice President of Public Affairs which i will talk if they keep this behavior. And yes, that is a threat. I have all of these hills to climb. You know this from regnery better than anyone, that the sorts of hills you have to climb as a conservative or so his perceived as conservative versus liberal. Imagine like i but no Mainstream Media interviews. Ive had no Mainstream Media book reviews. Im never on television. Host and yet the second or third week your book was, you with the number one selling book in the country. Guest i was a number one selling book in the country in week three and their times permit number five on the chart. And by the way, they described as an altright provocateur despite the fact chapter two of a book is titled wide altright hates me. I did a good im not and all the rest of it. But what it demonstrates, i do want to get into it because its too collocated and boring but you can read the book if youre interested in what i think that all the rest of it. What it demonstrates is that not only, they are not reading it and disagree with it is too dangerous. They havent opened a copy of one of their own bestselling books. The New York Times is expecting to get times bestseller list, nobody in the building has opened a copy of it. Host this happens directly all the time. We are very familiar with that. But in the end in the end, im not sure it matters anymore. It used to matter a lot more. Im not sure it matters anymore. Guest think of it this way. Conservatives have this optimistic view of things. Two things i would say. If the press gave me the same kind of love attention and lavish praise, which they give to amy schumer, completing a desert on the basis of nothing, talented warthogs, if they gave me that level of gushing attention, because on the same just whatever politics really, i would nestled a couple hundred thousands of books. I wouldve sold a million come for real. My book is actually good and that stuff is trash. If Simon Schuster hadnt wrongly terminated our contract protection because they said one day they were gloriously happy with the manuscript and the next day it unfit for publication. Really . No. What did it is that this calculation to what the buddha said we will do so much liberal business from hanging onto this guy the end of the book will be really successful and profitable, theres a huge risk to guess what . You aint and how to do that so you have to pay. Theres a provision that there is no provision of it in the contract. You dont get to do that. In the contract, in a legal document itself at a nurse unit contract like that, they refer to as controversial and provocative. Thats why the one of the book. If that had that happen in 19 number lookup is a wouldve now. I think with 75 or 100,000 100,0 preorders when Simon Schuster canceled the book and i was in february in the book was in out until june. I wouldve had 200,000 preorders, one of the biggest books in a decade if that have sent if they had not canceled. It would even colossally profitable. I have been against all the odds, the whole publishing industry, nobody would touch it. I have against all the obscure the city New York Times bestseller. By the time im done with it, im guessing by the time im done with it i will make sure i will do whatever it takes to make sure that i suck to what a few thousand copies this book and we do well on course to doing that. Just so that i can show people the purchase orders from the disorders because the book of skin that was all know about are always so for under. My book in particular cells have the in ebooks and a lot direct. Host its a really interesting publishing story. Ive been in publishing conservative books for 20 years and its fascinating. Guest nobody covers it, here we are covering it. Guest for the first time because in Publishers Weekly the bookseller have only published stories about disappointing Sales Numbers and about the fact, and they are such lies. They see the book skin of his and they dont add up to what i said. Not realizing this book is vastly disproportionate sold direct to consumer because thats how we wanted to happen because we make more money that way. And disproportionate ebooks and all the rest of it. My audience is so young. They all have kindle and all my other iphones. All this kind of stuff. Anyway, theyre kind of trying to insinuate without saying that im like but the number and all the rest of it. I got the report from the people who print industry are books. We are doing great. I made 1. 2 million in month one. Host so you respect people who read as to why. Watch her Favorite Book . Guest the book that i would pick up and read over and over again, so antigenically to the categories. Your Favorite Book is an impossible question to answer. Politics, i think ann coulter is so underrated as the pundit because nobody reads her books and only see her kind of stirring the pot on tv than what some people read her books. We sold a couple hundred thousand. Guest of course conservatives read her book. I am saying her critics dont read her. As a result i dont think anyone realizes how funny she is. Shes so funny. Shes the finest conservative. I pale in comparison. Host the great thing is that all issues funny like you shes also substantive. She has a lot of she works really hard and theres a lot in her books. Guest and she is like, shes got the same thing i have, the same thing steve bannon, a juggernaut. Totally unfazed by the imaginations and lies that the left. Shes like a steamroller. What a she, 13 times fence bestselling author . The reason she is that is not just because shes funny and smart but because she just doesnt give a hoot. Say what you want. I mean the right community. Every time shes on tv she demonstrates it. I think she is very underrated. As was philosophy goes, i like kierkegaard. Host of course. Guest i like nietzsche. Try to give me a quick concept, thumbs down tomorrow . Thumbs up, thumbs down. Bellmawr . Guest traffic comes upbecaus. I wouldnt mind writing a book in one day. He show gets what, three, 4 Million Viewers a week. Mine would get 30. Hes fighting with other leftwing host. Theres nothing on tv for conservatives. Host how about sarah palin . Guest say again. Host sarah palin. Tragic im so sorry, i cant hear you. Trauma i said sarah palin. Tragic sarah palin . I love her. I love it. I think, but look, ive met it. I think she is funny and genuine ananswers. She was thrown into world that maybe she did not operate and very badly managed abernathy assistant. I think she was desperate adventures to liberally sabotaged from right and left both sides. I think that shes a person could perhaps the most unfair in public life after me. I think shes great. Host colin kaepernick. Guest next. Host is that a thumbs down . Guest i dont mind a bit of theater and drama but i want some stop that and he has nothing to say. When you listen to him hes parroting talking points is that on the internet. Garbage. The only reason by the way his jersey sales went up so so people could burn them. [laughing] host i like that statistic. The pope. Guest that was a mean question. You are paying me back for something. I dont know, how much am i allowed to be saying out loud without being excommunicated . The previous Pope Benedict is, was my favorite. Deep, deeply, deeply religious intelligence brilliant theologian. Beyond my understanding in many ways, spiritual, kind and decent and wonderful. I think the the previous pope was tremendous. This pope seems to crave, i think this pope wants to be the new john paul ii. The problem is he doesnt have the charisma or the intelligence. He seems to run his mouth about things in a very unhelpful way. He press also is being badly managed and badly advised because he has people around him, its a good idea, imagine this. You are the hopes headed fumigation using its good to have a go about is that people around him. Guest you give a thumbs up to trump but heres my question and maybe my last question for you. We were talking earlier, you are both disruptors. How does a disruptor counter disruptor candidates up to succeed as president . What do you see for the future of donald trump . Guest so youre a structural problem in this country. The american system, the political system works really, really, really well with exception of the president. Made is supposed to be like this but lets just say its a cork come in here and this is a in europe we have a Constitutional Monarchy which mean you vote for the ceo think about it and corporate terms, you vote for the ceo but the president , the front of house, the whatever, monarch, thats of the system to be honest. In france you have an elected president and an elected Prime Minister and the president has all of the trappings of monarchy and all the expense that comes with it, but it doesnt seem to be much. 2 their existence sometime. Really end up being, like examerican presence is still cost the taxpayers like tens of millions of you, kind of like the french city present, like whats the point of view . In america the president and the ceo is the same person. Not only is the president the guy who projects the image, he projects as politics and his personality and represents america on the world stage but he also runs the government. He makes decisions about the inner workings of the federal government. Thats a problem because everybody who gets elected to the presidency is only really good at one of those jobs. Trump is a spectacular president in my view, spectacular at projecting things that americans have been lusting for some strong, strength, America First of all the stuff. There will be a wide range of the pendulum that. People think hes a clown from all the rest of it. I think the think it was atlanta came up with Trump Supporters taking seriously, not literally. Everyone else takes him literally at the dont taken seriously. The Trump Supporters are getting it right. I like him, i like him as president of the country. As ceo, i dont think his natural destructive instincts which works so well rhetorically on the campaign trail and of the president ial side of his role, i dont think i wellsuited to navigating the corrupt mess of washington, d. C. ,. Host its interesting because he was the ceo. He was a businessman. Guest but he was ceo of his own company structured how he wanted it. I company that functions unlike the federal government which doesnt. The reason i talk about Silicon Valley versus, to one of the early questions, the reason i talk about Silicon Valley more is orwell was wrong polys didnt appreciate the full horror of the situation or orwell thought the government was going to be one, to be done to door. It is private corporation because the government is too incompetent. The federal government cant do anything right. Private corporations are ruthlessly efficient and when they decide to go in social justice direction with the Corporate Social Responsibility and the Human Resources and diversity Vice President at all the rest of it, an entire subculture that you should not exist. When they decide to go that way, they are dangerous. Silicon valley, you go to search, google engine just got fired and prompted someone else to leaked to the press that there is active suppression on social justice principles of Google Search results. You search for american inventors on American Google and youll get like a sea of women and black people in all the rest of it, and all power to them but theyre not people invented the telephone and delightful. They want to know the famous once invented all the stuff around us. [inaudible conversations] want to know what kids were supposed to learn in first grade. Guest in school. He wanted to make the lightbulb, the computer . In this particular interview, bell, right . In this particular interview we dont want to get edison, sorry. Bell, telephone. Got it