[inaudible conversations] good afternoon. Welcome to the Heritage Foundation are Louis Lederman at turin. We welcome those joining you on the heritage. Org website as well as those who will be joining us on tv in the future. Make the last courtesy check their mobile devices have been silenced or turned off. Always appreciated by the speaker. As watching online communal come to send questions or comments anytime emailing speaker at thine heritage. Org. We do have copies of defeating jihad available for purchase in the lobby if you would care to purchase one following the program. I know i guess well be glad to autograph them as well. Posted in our hosting our discussion up in a nice session today is james jay carrots find out. He serves as Vice President of our cats are named shelby for National Security and Foreign Policy. Hes also the ew richards and fellow here at heritage. [applause] dr. Sebastian gorka serves as an itc one or at the Marine Corps University. This is where, full disclosure. That is supported by the Marine Corps University foundation, which is a fabulous organization. If you want to check it out, maybe make a donation. That would be great. When he gets up and talk to understand the incredibly scholars and work firsthand the marines and soldiers in people from other departments to come to the Marine Corps University. And help them understand the challenges the world today. Its an Extraordinary University and we are extremely proud that seb is part of that. Hes also a professor with u. S. Special Operations Command from the joint special Operations University racers is legal in start your special operations combating terrorism. More importantly, seb has authored over 140 monographs, books, chat areas, writing on this broad swath of issues that deal with this issue of extremism and global terrorism. I think the most important credential is i would defy you. This should be a test. I would defy you to go into the office at the dni in one of the intelligence agencies for any combat command around the world and find somebody that has the added need reefing with seb gorka. Hes the man who briefed the people fighting this war on the realities and observations of the bill. His views are extremely listened to an influential and import. So when he writes a book about how to deal with this long war, which seems like its getting longer all the time, for people who care about the issue care about the country and security, challenges to peace and prosperity in the world today that we had to take time out and listen to what he has to say. We are excited to host them here to talk about his book. So seb will talk a bit. So if you have a question, if you would raise your hand and recognize and wait for the microphones. The folks listening can hear the question. State your name and affiliation. We will run not to the end of the hour. Thank you for being here. Please join me in welcoming seb gorka. Thank you so much from so much, jim. Thats an introduction my father would be proud and my mother wouldve believed. Is wonderful to be here. Thank you for inviting me and specifically. I wouldnt have my position or been able to write this book without support of the family found my position as mcu and also made the writing of this book possible. Majestically my team is present. Thank you for getting me past the finish line. Omar comments needed. Let us talk about why we wrote this book. My day job is working with the marine corps, special operators and fbi to understand ideology whether its al qaeda, hamas or rss today to get inside the mind of the bad guys. One of the reasons im in an unusual position is not because they grew up in the middle east are a come from an arab culture. It is because the experience of my family. My parents lived in hungary during the communist dictatorship and my father is actually responsible for creating a secret Christian Catholic underground organization and university to push back on the takeover of his beloved hungry. Unfortunately he was feeding to the west end msx and then announce the desk of one kim philby. After a few months of undermining the soviet and helping to stop the spread of communism, my father and his friends as a result my father got a life sentence in a communist prison starting with two years in solitary in two years down a coal mine after that. This is the story with which i open my boat. I didnt want to do it, but my wife said americans love a good story. I open it with a story of my father. My father been liberated from a communist article prison by the revolutionaries in 1956. Escaping finally making their way to the west. My father didnt know hed been for trade to the massive refugee camp where you want to go and he said the united kingdom. Thats how i was born a british citizen and eventually move to hungry after the fall of them but now im a very proud american citizen. The reason that i did in fact decide to include the story was a very simple one. I grew up with the mothers milk of freedom and democracy, just instilled in me from day one. Because my father is gained from a communist dictatorship, from the prison, i understand before i could walk the fragility, the important than how fragile it is and how Ronald Reagan was absolutely correct that the loss of liberty is always just one generation away. So what i saw the events in realtime 15 years ago was on a day like today, beautiful, blue clear skies. When i saw those two planes flying into the twin towers of the world trade center, i literally hundreds to that the totalitarians are back. They may not be communist, but they are totalitarians. If you read the works that and farm groups like or al qaeda, it is clear that america is what again facing a global totalitarian ideology. In the 20th century, weve vanquished and then weve vanquished the soviet union and marxism. Today we are facing is similar ideology that sees itself and it will pull them are as competition. It is no accident that key g jihad authors come you must read this story really begins with him from an egyptian said qutb. His milestone is a very, very strange mixture of fascism, communism, all wrapped up in the religion of islam. Its these people you must read and understand if you wish to understand the threat to america and what it truly is an existential threat. These people will not renegotiated. Anybody who thinks you can set down with either the taliban or al qaeda or isis to negotiate about your future, they are living in an alice in wonderland fantasy. The only thing you can negotiate about is how you will be killed. Will you be decapitated, or to live or crucified or will you be enslaved as a person who is not recognized as a human being because youre not in most him. That is the reality. It is completely analogous to attempting to negotiate with hitler. It doesnt work. You can negotiate with the fascist about which they will put a human. That is about the extent of the negotiation and we are again in this war. The rest of the book beyond this recognition that the new totalitarians have arrived is my game plan on how to defeat them. It starts at the lessons of funds to. If you would a war come you must know yourself. Not our enemy. We have Political Correctness outofcontrol. The last 15 years and fortunately it gotten under the bush administration. But now it has reached cataclysmic or portions. When the white house tonight classified unclassified memo and the discussion of religion and counterterrorism training for the fbi or for military, even saying that the word jihad was prohibited, we entered the new age in which you put become impossible to effectively win this war. The student of mine stated in his dissertation and he will go unnamed, when the enemy gets to control what you are allowed to say about them, youve already lost the war. And that is where we are today. When a man in traditional arabic dress runs at a peace officers cruiser in philadelphia, pumps the whole back of his glock semiautomatic by policemen and afterwards as is for the glory of god for all the new mayor of philadelphia says just a crime. Then were living in a monty python fan see absurdity. The fact is you can only defeat an enemy if he wonders and them under a terms. When they say they are trained 11 fighting for allah, you do not get to wipe that out. If you do that, you are censoring the intelligence cycle. It would be as if somebody had said this we are preparing to storm the beaches and somebody in americas bad luck, guys. I know your parachute, your rifle is ready, but whatever you do, dont mention the word nazi because you could offend because you criticize nature name criticize nature and impaired criticize nature name. I use as my template the template incredibly successful during the cold war. We want to go markets a totalitarian ideology with two seminal documents, to secret documents that have since been declassified in a use these as a starting point for my strategy against other jihadist. The first is the now famous secret telegram, to washington in 1946. Fedex name to it as soviet union and why is he behaving in ways that are complex article to the post pieces of europe. That document was the enemy threat doctrine analysis but in military terms. It was an incredibly accurate description of the personality that made it very clear that this nation and its allies are motivated by ideology that will not stop unless we are destroyed and that is why it is the next potential threat to america and her western allies. How did we go beyond . The incredible paul meets that was passed by the Truman Administration to write the plan on how to defeat the soviets. In the document National Security council, he read a 60 page plan on how to defeat the soviet union from the outside by delegitimizing it ideology of the workers paradise. That document was unlike any government document ive ever seen. Let me just read to you if i may one shirt thing that the very beginning. In the book defeating jihad, i reproduce both of those classified documents in their entirety at the back of the books you can read them. Let me just give you an opening section and ask yourself a question. When i read these words to you from formerly topsecret government strategy, ask yourself how many times you hear language like this today in unclassified government documents, president ial statements from the rose garden. Tell me of a talk like this anymore. The fundamental purpose of the United States is laid down in the preamble to the constitution. To form a more perfect union, the justice ensure domestic tranquility provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity. In essence, the fundamental purpose is to assure the integrity and vitality of our free society, which is founded upon the dignity and the words of the individual. Do we have government documents that talk about the dignity and the words the individual . We understood back then and we need to remind ourselves that today it is organizations like isis or al qaeda. What is to be done . I work with dod for five years, six years, too long. I am a little bit of that death by powerpoint, but im a recovering powerpoint user. A major share to sites with you. What is the message of my book . Heres a very simple message. Al qaeda and isis has to be recognized as such. Its not the function of poverty or lack of education or what administration likes to call local grievances. Who of the 19 hijackers on september 11th were born in Palestinian Refugee camps . What was the lack of political enfranchisement that jihad suffered being a very welltodo i. T. Manager in the gulf. Im not sure i understand that the local grievances are todays individuals to behead fellow humans be some campus. They have ceded to totalitarians before and we can do it again. Let me be explicit on this. It is no accident that it took americas involvement and leadership in both world war ii and the cold war to defeat nazi. That is not an accident. It is a function of the fact that america, we are the only nation founded on the principles of liberty, freedom and the individual dignity of the human being based upon their being made in the image of their creator. This is not an accident. And it will take americas involvement in again to this new totalitarian, but only if we can remove a threat assessment and hands takes of this war. They are total and football. It is easy to isis and its ideas of caliphate of theocracies. There are 6 Million People living on the territory of the caliphate today. There are 80,000 armed jihadist. Thats not a theory. Thats not a crazy idea of a man in a cave somewhere. Thats a reality. They have rd issued official manuals that the Islamic State on what you can or cannot do with your slaves. Explicitly or sex slaves, including women that you now own because they are his cds are christians. How was it im going to get political for a second because i dont for the u. S. Government anymore. Why is that we are talking about Harriet Tubman on american dollar bills or substandard access to toilet when women are being sold into sex slavery now . Does someone not see the incongruent transgender toilet versus sex market today. Slavery is having a today. There needs to be an understanding of what is going on in the world. So what is to be done to quote a certain individual who may be familiar to you. Number one, we have to be honest about who the enemy is and what they want. No more censorship. Lets get politics out of National Security. The idea that you are not allowed to talk about the enemy using the word the enemy uses to talk about themselves. That must end. Also, we have to be honest that it is not a function of poverty or lack of political enfranchisement, but that it is pure evil. It is the evil that we see that represents the greatest threat to america. There are other problems. I will admit. Russia is a spoiler in north korea, but not climate change. Sex slavery today. Crucifixions and beheadings based on what religion you profess. That is the primary problem. Could censorship out, allow professionals to do it they been trained to do and then the second part operationally. America should not be the face of the war against the Global Movement for many reasons. They should be our sunni allies. Countries that were are close to within the past, specially charging means egyptians and others. They are the primary victims. Let me be clear here. The People Killed our fellow muslims. But his cds and christians and yes i understand that, but it demanded the cage, victor dini and Fighter Pilot who emphasizes the primary enemy of these individuals. As a result we must support nations on the frontline, like egypt, the kiwi can mature into the face of this war. But as anyone who served in this region knows or has traveled there, that will never happen by itself. You will not see an arab sunni coalition, not the one created today by the administration. 61 nations . There were two muslim nations in the room. Two. Not 61. Talk about the reality and real Arab Coalition to fight on the ground will never happen unless those governments and most people trust that we are behind them all the way that we had their six as we say in the military. Those government and nation do not trust america today. If i were a sunni moderate, neither would i after the last 15 years and especially after the last 7. 5. We did have the next chief rebuild bridges that have been burned to the ground because the most reasonable sunnis think that america is now on the side of the shia extreme. 150 billion nuclear deal with iran have drawn conclusions that we dont care about cairo. We are on the side of the mullahs. That has to be addressed. This war will not be one without us being part of the solution are sunni allies on the frontline. Explicitly from the cold war, we have to have a strategic level counter push in the propaganda or information more domain. We are bitterly not present on the battlefield of ideas. Im not denigrating the work or psychological operations units on fort bragg. They have limited. They are corralled. They are not permitted to do anything about the tactical level. Just as in the cold war, we must have a white house driven counter Propaganda Campaign that shines the light of truth against our enemy and the totalitarian ideas and ultimately delegitimize his their ideology of global jihads. Today this is their primary problem. From the streets of paris to brussels to deadbeat, jihad as a lifestyle is far too popular. When you have the director of the fbi testified openly that isis is more than 20,000 social media pot farms and posted within 50,000 postings every day, it is time that we started to push back. It is only then when jihad becomes unpopular, when we support a version of islam that is portrayed by Richard Damien said egyptian colleagues, that we will eventually win this war and defeat the new totalitarians. That is my plan and a nutshell. If you have any questions or you want to know more about the book, it is available outside of the foyer. My website has lots of information about the vote and Everything Else that we do. Lastly, if you want to know how bad the threat is, the company my wife and i run high some reports on the domestic threat of cases in case youre still wondering how serious a threat is, if also available online. Weve got time for any questions from the floor or if they are being emailed in, the floor is all yours. Andrew, please. Hi, i guess one curious question of course he mentioned a key component of your strategies. Trying to develop other alternatives islams website al qaeda, isis, taliban. I guess thats the 64,000 question. Assorted developments do you see your groups you would support . Great question. So when have we seen arab or muslim nations function in ways that are commands there up with the standards of liberty, democracy and Representative Government or at least the rights of the individual. To be completely honest i see two functioning examples. The turkey and the hash making about jordan. Those are the on