Israeli intelligence. Whether orother other countries policy workers want to go to war they were not deeply divided. People of goodwill can disagree about the 2nd part. A lot of about what americans were told. A very good article americans knew. Five days after michael and i wrote the story we learned about the and put it in the new york times. I would have liked it to been on the front page but it wasnt. So i think its i know if you are involved in the debate of the time you feel strongly and mightve felt pressure but all people like me had to go on over to get at that moment and then subsequently the finding these different panels. Like the famous case involving curveball. The german intelligence were saying dont trust the sky. Thats my case. Im not going to drag all the rest of you. Once again people have different memories. Man. You should write an article or something about the classified part. He said there is only an unclassified report. Wheres your article of the classified . I did not report on mobile biological labs. The group which i was embedded came across one of those labs. They were convinced i was there reporting on them. They were convinced that these labs were for biological production. The 1st story about that than the cia issued a white paper saying that. And then i went back in june, tf whom is now dead. He was still in britain. One of the people who told me the cia has got it wrong. Read the weapons hunt and synthesis of biological lab, got it wrong. Agent not live. He got it wrong. It into the 3rd article. These labs actually appear to be for weather balloons. The stuff, look, i, look, i wrote this book so i could talk about mistakes i made. Its important to look at mistakes we make so we can understand how to not make them again. But when you stop doing that , when you stop going back and asking questions that is when you fall into convenient patterns of thoughts that fits your ideological preference or something you want to believe. It is important every now and then for all of us to get out of our comfort zone. I showed you how the estimates are put together back and talk to some of the people who were presumably doubters. You talk to me. And i try to go back and look at the stories and really hope that with your article and others ten years from now someone else would go back and take a different look at it and have a greater understanding. The only thing we can agree on this the war as it was spot on what are not it was justified. Thats why its so important we only have a few minutes left. Take three more questioners. It will come back to judy. I just wanted to ship the controversy. Yes. Do you also have a related question . I tell you what i didnt do, i never wrotei never wrote about valerie plane. I never wrote a story about her. I dont believe my job as a journalist to zoning. Other people can do that. I didnt think that was my job. I was so consumed about how we got this wrong. I have been out there covering their search day after day, hundreds of places. We dug up everything from fighter jets. The iraqis said everything. I came back with a list of questions. That is what i was focused on. I came across a record, tell you how it happened. Her husband had written story, an oped article saying that is where that they live people died begin saying that he had gone to niger to look at some of the intelligence. And so i began investigating whether or not that was true. I thought i have learned about it was talking to Scooter Libby about the failed intelligence. It was only years later that i discovered that my testimony have been because i have misinterpreted is very brief notes. I felt horrible, absolutely consumed with guilt. I had testified against Scooter Libby. But when i began researching what room number and what we dont want one of the most common and was part of the dissent. And they testified against him differences between with these people told the grand jury and the fbi. I was very open about my views. Once it was determined by the cia, determined long before the indictment there was no damage to hair, no damage to National Security or any source at home or abroad. There was a special prosecutor. It went on and on and on. Consumed aa huge amount of newsprint, more than that time. I subsequently learned through interviews Scooter Libby very early on was one of the few people issue strategy. A really interesting colleges, manually turning not once but several times, look at the conversation. Thats quite a story. This is not a casual reference. You have to ask. Another one of the people who would not talk to along with fitzgerald. We promised to wrap up at 8 00 oclock. With close out the questioning. Four people event. It . There was no one ever charged with leaking. Speak in the microphone. The judge said your going to have to testify yourself. Whether you would not testify in his own defense. Your testimony teeseven you met with them on june 23 discussing 2nd string and at that point mr. Wilsons wife worked at the cia. That was not correct. He did not tell you that. No. I had those references were incorrect. As parentheses two purposes , to reverend that someone was interviewing a question but if missionary heard in the 2nd was to take note of something that was interesting that the interviewee have been saying so when i saw let me put it this way, the 1st reference my wife works in bureau. If Scooter Libby had leaked the name to me he would never have said she works for the bureau. State department which was recover after us. Person shall its always she worked at the state department say. I remember that only after learning what are cover was. Never. But that conflicts are other key statement. Before the conversation. There were two conversations. The whole point of this book not that book which i didnt write. Nobody hundred. Its a transcript. Julie will be sticking around. Memories of faulty and even notes are faulty. One reason i wrotei wrote the book is i wanted to tell what i now know and have learned. The more learned why thought it was kind of a travesty that occurred with so much going on. Final question and then we will break it off. Different question. Question. Certainly related to the conversation about getting it right and wrong of being limited to the facts. I am interested, given your experience middle east how do you suggest we evaluate this . Sticker out for breakfast. Its a pretty short answer. We think we know. I dont. I dont know what he means. Centrifuges by 2020. I know we found two facilities that he lied about that iran lied about. On fox news i had taken the position. When i saw undefended the interim agreement. I think it worked out well. But i think we have to wait and see what the president comes up with. I dont know what thats going to be. 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She will be talking about her new book called my life on the road. Counting up for previous books, bunch of bestsellers. We think this is her 7th. And once you read this am sure your going to find it is compelling and engaging as a writing always is. To do a proper introduction, the entire hour which i dont think youll me to do. The Advocacy Group she has conceived and nurtured, features she is given, campaigns she is organized and she is one. Im going to mention a few of the top highlights. The cofounder of ms. Magazine in 1972. Founded the National Womens political caucus. That was one of the 1st politically centered Advocacy Groups for women. And in 2013 she received the nations highest civilian honor. [applause] perhaps less quantifiable. This year impact of words and ideas and the political and social discourse of the country over more than five decades. In her new book, it is one story. The road she has traveled of the people she is met, but she has read from ideas she has considered from an itinerant childhood to her eventual discovery of what a real home means fairly late in life. A wonderful writer, superb storyteller in the woman his willingness to speak truth to power is given back month for the fights of the rights of women, peoplewomen, people of color, poor children and pretty much everyone in societys margin. Like many of you in the audience i suspect anger up on this magazine. I probably myself a feminist ever since. And i know that i am not alone in deeply appreciating you have literally spent your entire life giving voice to the aspiration and ambitions of hundreds of millions of women worldwide. Families, communities, countries. Thank you for being an inspiration. Tonight gloria will be in discussion with another influential activist and advocates, Maxine Waters. [applause] out on her 13th term representing a diverse ten fascinating district. Congressman waters is earned aa reputation over career for being fearless, outspoken, relentless, and above all effective. An unstoppable legion of change. I grew up in california where she fought for the divestment of state Pension Funds from south africa in order to protect affirmative action. I determined leader in congress in the National Democratic party, true champion of equality and social justice. If you had a chance to read the book you will learn the Maxine Waters 1st cause path set a seminal event back in 1977, National Womens conference in houston. Lets just say the world has never been the same sense and for the better. Join me in welcoming Gloria Steinman and congresswoman Maxine Waters. [applause] well, this is the beginning of another book is all i can say. Do you all no each other . There are so many people i know. We have to organize tonight. Were going to talk for a bit. Trouble is going to result. But this is the conversation. We have a lot to talk about, but we cant talk about it in front of all of you. She changed my life. I met her in 1977. The wonderful conference we had in houston. Ive never seen anybody like her. And bella was one of glorias dearest friends in life. Shouting better all the time why do you let her talk to you that way . And she said this is the way we talk to each other in new york. I remember that so clearly. If you know, you know that she shouted at you about how terrible something was. Maybe youre right and she went on. I could see her looking appalled. And so at the Conference Many of us not knowing what we were supposed to do and how we were supposed to do it. So as days by we started to try. How a lot to say. We dictated to her much of what we wanted to say to the minority plank she asked to join the board. All the ideas i had great opportunities for women, feminist. I was able to get many of them signed and the law. One that i will share with you was at the time i was in the state Assembly Insurance companies would not pay for the buildup. With the start of these proposals became an unsolicited. My life changed. I ended up in new york every month or so and met so many different people. I had not met before in my life. Here was this woman with a should have been a model. Organizing and working. Way outside the box dating a black men. [applause] we organize where he will end up the gloria has written really does tell you she is what she cares about and the experiences she has had. It is wonderful reading. I wont tell you more except gloria does know what an impact she had on my life in so many ways. The story she told, i remember them all. When i read about her mother in the book is like talking to gloria all over again and she explained to me, what happened in her life with her mom. Thank you, gloria. And you know, maxine has always been in the forefront. Just now i was thinking about your struggle in california to keep the cops from doing internal searches of women they stopped for traffic reasons. And there was just such another story in the press. But what we have discovered about the mistreatment of women, black lives matter, maxine has always been there. And if any other woman wins the presidency [laughter] it will be because out there proving that women can be respected authority in public life. All of those women and maxine especially have demonstrated that womens authority in public life is okay, normal, good, positive because otherwise i think we are so used to seeing women only childrearing. We associate female authority but nurturing and emotion and things inside the home. We co male authority as rational and appropriate. You know, i think that is part of the reason that it is hard for some women and especially for men. I think about it when i see some of the grownup guys on television saying ridiculous things about welcome im thinking about 2008 now. You know, big of these guys are saying across my life i see here. She reminds me of my 1st wife waiting outside. And i think it away they felt regressed childhood because that was the last time they thought they saw woman in authority. Maxine has so helped to change that to open up the space for female talent of all kind in public life. And i am just so grateful to that. The problem is we dont get to see each other enough. We are really here [laughter] you know, as i said, i started my trips to new york and met wonderful women. I could recall i could but i wont many of the meetings we had. Talk about marlo thomas and those meetings. We had talented women who were true feminists command i want to tell you, you might be a littlea little bit surprised. For me to identify myself as a feminist back in the day, you cant be a feminist. That is why womans thing. So wrong. To me black women invented vera filling every motel and campground within 500 miles and we were a little afraid of all bikers in one place. We have learned that the bikers travel in packs. And treat women like possessions and may see other women as sexual fair game. Pass the last trees in Indian Country we eat in the homecooked trucks, sit around like its a trend on blankets and when it rains, the rainbow stretches from sea to sea and fields of sweetgrass become as regular as flowers. Only when we return late each night or cabin lisi motorcycles in the parking lot. While walking in rapid city at your bikers they to his tattooed woman partner, shop as long as you want, i will meet you at the cappuccino place. And i assume that this is an aberration. Im trying to remain both inconspicuous and openminded but im hyperconscious about a room full of boots and very few women. In the booth next to mean a man with chains around his muscles and a woman in leather pants and an improbable hairdo are taking note of my presence. Finally the woman comes over to talk. I just want to tell you, she says, how much this magazine has meant to me over the years. [laughter] and he what i wanted to ask isnt one of the women that you are traveling with alice walker . I love her poetry. It turns out that she and her husband have been coming to this valley every year since their first married. Lakota warriors found refuge because of the calvary that got lost every time. And her husband stops by on his way to the cashier and suggest that we see the huge statue of crazy horse that is being dynamited out of the black hills. And as she gets ready to leave, see that purple harley out there . The big gorgeous one . That is mine. I used to ride behind my husband and never took the road on my own. And then after the kids were grown i put my foot down. And he says he doesnt have to worry about his bite breaking down or getting a heart attack and a totally nice bow. On my own again i looked out at the barents stand and tortured rock of the badlands stretching for miles. Ive walked there there and i know that close up the barren sand reveal is layers of detail page and cream it turned out to have intricate openings. What seems to be one thing from a distance is very different close up. I tell you this story because it is the kind of lesson that can be learned only on the road and also because we believe that inside each of us has a purple motorcycle and we have only to discover it and ride. I love that. I love that. [cheers] [applause] i thought he would enjoy that also. I loved it. And even more than the actual story and the lesson that is taught in the story, the way the ride is so wonderful. And the descriptive nature providing this landscape is so wonderful. Its like you are talking to her. I know that she had some other things, but i really wanted you to hear that. Should i read this and then we should Start Talking to each other . All the years of campaigning have given me one clear message. Voting is in the most we can do but it is the least. To have a democracy you have to want one. Still i realize that at the beginning of the 1980s going to missouri to campaign for harriet woods in her u. S. Senate race and there are people here that remember her period she was a great candidate in her path was