Time, you were on a deadline. You have a condensed period of time. Theres some things you want to get in there to do two things i really wanted to get in there are, number one, the islamist influence in the education system. Thats one of things i want to get into, a special at the university. And number two, which i want to mention real quick before come back to the education system, isis belief in islamic prophecies. The islamic prophecy angle i think is fascinating. Isis believes right now that these are the last days and that they are the guardians the great warriors of the caliphate of the apocalypse. And i believe there will be a showdown with the west in syria wednesday, according to their interpretation of islamic prophecy. Sunnis and shias discrepant somethings when it comes to prophecy the isis believes the last days are at hand. They are the vanguard of islam and they will lead the armies of islam to victory over the west in a climactic battle will occur in syria were isis controls onethird of the country right now. Wanted to get in the book but since it didnt come im getting at here for you now. Very interesting. We look into the ideology. Its an apocalyptic, prophetic ideology focused on armageddon just as the iranian ideology by the way. Different interpretations from the two sides, but sane indie games. The jihadists when and we die. The education system, the universities have become a cauldron number one, for rampant, vicious antisemitism. The American University system it exists. In our greatest institutions of Higher Learning by the way. Not just some backward school, division i Excellent Schools specifically in the california system have begun open for and the semitism. Not only that we have professors who were openly antisemitic in some cases antiisrael antiamerican for that matter but the main thing on College Campuses is the a group im thinking of in particular the Muslim Students association, the msa. Its a muslim brother connected group, a radical Group Present on hundreds of College Campuses across the United States and canada. The Muslim Students association. So big problem in the education system. Some of our textbooks at the secondary and High School Level are whitewashing islamic conquest in islamic history, some major problems to me before another book. I have stunned you all into silence at this point. Pakistan has the weapons, so does the soviet union, now russia. Marc stein said by 2016 will be more than 50 muslim. Pakistan may be with that today but all you need is i need is, until it is a regime change but just a new room at the top and they could wind up being as bad as iran. Is anything being done along the lines on being the. [inaudible] of areas but we have shown in certain countries in the middle east, north africa and the muslim world that when a machine is going to topple, we are not going to do much may be to stand in the way to assist the more democracy minded forces. And pakistan to me is one of the top three most dangerous issues right now. Because the imminent possibility for the past several years that continues that jihadists could overthrow the pakistani regime and get a hold of those nuclear weapons. And then, look, we are talking iran. You already have the islamic bomb in pakistan but and if jihadists sees pakistan, all bets are off. To me its a massive threat of cauldron. Of course, were keeping tabs on it at the governmental level. I cant speak from firsthand experience, but i hope were keeping tabs on it. But if the regime is going to fall the Obama Administration has seen there is regimes fall and islamists come to power and gain strength whether its libya, yemen, egypt. And did nothing to stop it. So ive a great conference in which anything to stop the regime falling in pakistan. Im concerned about another thing to mention real quick, saudi arabia jordan, egypt. I mean, saudi arabia right now is building a fence across its northern border with iraq to keep the isis. Iran and isis are encircling saudi arabia and all that oil. They are encircling jordan, and encircling israel of course. What are going to do . A few years ago i would say we will never let jordan or saudi arabia fall, never. We have too many interests. Oil and everything else. With the way things have been going the past six years expect the unexpected in the middle east and in the muslim world. Nothing is off the table. That might come inside the beltway it will tell you that, but i may work inside the beltway but im not of the beltway. And ill tell you the beltway stillstyle thinking, man, has gotten us in a pretty dastardly place right now in the middle east the general sisi in egypt, it must be mentioned, we are looking for moderate Muslim Leaders to speak at the this is the one guy. King abdullah had had his back up after the jordanian pilot was horrifically burned, but general sisi is going out on a limb and is standing in egypt on new years day calling for a reformation in islam. In a room before a room full of imams and sheikhs. Thats bold, courageous. A few days later he goes into a Coptic Church with a coptic Christmas Eve celebration and stands with coptic priests and says, we are all the egyptians. Note egyptian president has ever done that going into a church like that public league, boldly. Hes gone on record time and time again to hes a man who was crushed, for now, the Muslim Brotherhood in egypt, largely. Hes fighting isis in the sinai peninsula. Hes fighting alqaeda. He has a strong relationship with israel and he is cracking down on hamas tells. And shes a practicing muslim. This is the kind of guy we should be rallying around. Youre not going to get any better in egypt. Thomas jefferson is not turning around the corner in cairo. You will not have a jeffersonian democrat in egypt but what you have right now is a guy who approaches opposes you has a Good Relationship with israel and is friendly with america. Yet we are isolating him shunning him. In my view, it the Obama Administration in a Perfect World the Obama Administration would like to see Mohammed Morsi back in power. I say that without hesitation. A few weeks ago we had a Muslim Brotherhood contingent at the state department, the muslim brother, the granddaddy of all the islamic terror groups. Folks, we would not be having this conversation about isis if it werent for the Muslim Brotherhood. Isis came out of alqaeda which came out of the Muslim Brotherhood. The Muslim Brotherhood is the granddaddy of them all. It spawned alqaeda, hamas. Its the original terror movement. Yet they are now, along with iran, our friends. And we have been at the state department. And that the state department we have the Muslim Brotherhood delegation, some of them holding up the Muslim Brotherhood for finger salute. Isis has the one fingered the brotherhood holds up four fingers. At the state department. A terrorist group identified as such i saudi arabia, egypt other middle east countries to the Muslim Brotherhood are terrorists in suits. Suits. Saying anything so as isis as i mentioned earlier. Tactics are different. The Muslim Brotherhood are like termites. They burrow into a host society and eat away at it from within. Isis wants to chop your head off now, tell you now. They make no bones about. The brotherhood is much more savvy, much more eloquent much more stealthy. Saying anything, two legs of same endgame. The stealth jihad the brother sasha i dont how i got off on the cancer but it needed to be said. Balsam brotherhood, not our friend. [inaudible] he is a fish that float in the sea that we all live in. The fact of the matter is that he could never have gotten the nomination, he could never do what hes doing now except for the rest of the democratic party. Hillary clinton was no better on the Muslim Brotherhood than barack obama and in our own area we have comments who feeds the state department and its just one of them who is endorsed by the jewish, and was voted for by all our friends and neighbors and nobody says anything. We all say its Barack Hussein obama. Know, its Chris Van Hollen too, and the people who vote for Chris Van Hollen. Its our friends and neighbors. There are people and i go to the more religious synagogue, that vote straight obamathen holland and you cannot talk to them. The reason to get away with it is because we still treat them like friends and neighbors. We think thats a legitimate point of view. That is not a legitimate point of view if youre a jew. We dont act on that basis. Do you have a question . Anymore questions . [inaudible] im wondering about hacking computers, hacking the state department or Law Enforcement and also second question is, i know the isis is very wellfunded. Could you speak to where some of those funds come from . Yeah, two great questions. Number one with isis and the cyber jihad look these are guys who i mentioned earlier are very savvy with technology, with the media and they do have a cyber hacking team as isis. There have been consistent ports are the past few much theyre trying to hack in to the personal information of u. S. Military personnel and u. S. Law enforcement. To me that they very, very scary thing. They have published addresses of u. S. Soldiers on the web to are they the real addresses, old addresses . Not quite clear but the intent is thereby isis absolutely to hack into sensitive not only sensitive economic kind of sites, but also into the personal lives of u. S. Soldiers. Because of the end of the day he got to remember why would they target u. S. Soldiers . Because they view, the jihad is you u. S. Soldiers as the tip of the crusaders speaker we are the crusaders and their eyes a the modernday crusaders. The defenders of the cross as albaghdadi has called america. They believe we are the modernday crusaders and the Crusader Army is epitomized by the u. S. Military. So every not every time but many many times when you see these isis plots broken up they are targeting u. S. Military installations when theyre broking up in the west. Targeting american soldiers and then the cyber realm as well. I forget the second part of your question. Im sure it was profound. Funding, it is profound. Funding, a few ways. Money makes the world go round. It makes the jihad go around. Private donors from the persian gulf region, saudi arabia the emirates et cetera private wealthy donors there who are sympathetic to the jihad pouring money into iraq in serious. Another way theyre doing it is by leading antiquities. Remember this is the heartland of the bible where jonah was where jonah stem the prophet daniels tomb and iraq in some parts of syria have some biblical significance. What isis is doing, they will go into museums, they will seize antiquities and they will sell them. Another thing theyre doing is they are just good oldfashioned pillaging. When they conquered mosul, the second largest city in iraq, a conquered the central bank of mosul and at least 400 million isis took from the conquest. Then you have the illicit oil were isis has conquered oil fields in iraq and syria and they are selling some of that oil on the black market in the middle east and turkey syria, lebanon, iraq, iran. And according to some accounts they are making to 3 million a day in the illicit oil trade. So lots of different kinds of Revenue Streams coming. And the traditional look, you see the town, you see those you make them pay tribute and to levy exorbitant taxes especially on nonmuslims. You levy and exorbitant tax on them on both the multiple Revenue Streams without a doubt. Do we need to wrap it up . First of all, i cant thank you enough thank you. Thank all of you. Thank all of you for coming. Erick is an incredible friend. He is the voice of intellectual courage and moral integrity, and of the truth. And i am very privileged to be here. [applause] you are watching 48 hours of nonfiction authors and books on cspan2s booktv. Television for serious readers. Thanassis cambanis report on the 2011 egyptian revolution and profiles two of its leaders and liberal architect and a pharmacist associated with the Muslim Brotherhood. Good evening, everyone. Im david cohen, and i love doing introductions here. Im carless husband but one of the reasons i love doing introduction is politics and prose is a beacon in the standard setter under its current ownership of brad graham and the wonderful staff here about having civil discourse and dealing with difficult issues and demanding issues. We did that last night and were doing it tonight, and weve done many of the books of history policy books, novels that deal with demanding issues in either the middle east or in the islamic world. And so we are really pleased here to welcome Thanassis Cambanis and celebrate the publication of once upon a revolution, an egyptian story. Is going to talk about this himself so im not but it is we out to reflect a little bit about the arab spring and how the u. S. Really had no idea that it was going to happen. And even people who worked with ngos in egypt really didnt know it would happen. I had a conversation with a person i work with who was telling me he had been working with children and telling me something is really going to happen, but no one is listening. It was an early signal, three or four weeks or so before that things are beginning to stir up and it reflects on how little we often know about whats going on in Artificial Life because our official life doesnt begin and try and relate to people who are not part of official life. Mr. Cambanis has told us a store here of two people, but more than that, it is a story and the importance of journalists. He is a journalist. He is here from beirut, and this is really the first major presentation for this book. We welcome him again. He had an earlier book four years ago and was a politics and prose, so welcome back. And in telling this story he brings in a sensibility of history and culture, its a story about how we have to have major understanding of rapid change and how to figure out ways to prevent and stop violent extremism. So by using journalism and history and culture by being probing, my understanding causes, i listen to people, particularly is two major characters, begin to identify patterns and their significance. This is the kind of contribution we need, and we need to be talking about it. You all get your chance to ask questions and have a discussion after the initial presentation. So lets welcome Thanassis Cambanis to politics and prose. [applause] well, thank you very much for that very warm introduction, and thank you to all of you for coming tonight. I am so excited and so honored to have the chance to carry this story. Telling the story of egyptian revolution at age 40 has been one of the most really inspiring and exciting things ive been able to do in a long, mostly dismal career of writing about failed invasions and occupations and wars, sectarianism and sort of the daily grist of a middle east correspondent. And its been a really dizzying journey. And most of you if youre here tonight it aint you paid enough attention to know how badly things seems that things seem to have turned out to be the you have probably followed in the paper each of the utopian days of revolution turned into the restoration of the old regime. You probably read about the wars in libya and yemen and city, and you probably have seen the whole bevy of groceries about the arab spring turning into winter. Tonight i want to take you back to the beginning of this historical process that exploded open onto the consciousness of the world in tunisia in december 2010, and then more i think cinematically and more intensely with Tahrir Square in january 2011. And i want to talk a little bit about the arc of history that were watching unfold. Because lost in the daily politics, again very depressing scorecard of repressive regimes versus dissonance dissidence, lost in the numbers game is the realization that today we are watching a new kind of politics a new kind of world being built in the arab world, being invented by erick citizens have taken charge of their own destiny after literally generations, have sent you a more of being polled and ordered and manipulated into not having a voice and not feeling like they have the strength or power to define themselves as citizens. When they say half a Million People but when hundreds of thousands of people poured into Tahrir Square on january 25, 2011, i was far away in new york city. I had been covering the arab world for almost a decade. I had chronicled firsthand the mishaps and tragedies of the u. S. Invasion and occupation of iraq, and i had spent a lot of time talking to and looking for the activist and his defense in Civil Society people who were toiling away with very little hope that their labors were going to bear fruit to the people working against the oppressive regimes with little to no dilution that the work was are going to unseat the tyrants they were opposing. I talked to these people in cafes, sometimes in places where theyre able to speak quite openly because the regimes didnt take them seriously. In egypt the Civil Society activists were under almost no pressure in the late mubarak era because the bark knew no one was listening to them. They were free to organize, free to talk not