Medical marijuana. I heard something in that area about it endo cannabinoid system that is unique to mammals and therefore we have some kind of receptors. Is that on anybodys, how are we doing on that apartment against propaganda . Guest they always have receptors in our break for every issue their something new and exciting. I think the timeframe is accelerating. We are doing two things. I dont want to take up too much time but with converting some cancers into chronic diseases, the best example is we took care of patients with this disease and they were uniformly fatal. Now they can take a pill and they live a perfectly normal life span. The pills after well dont work. The pharmaceutical industry has developed five followup bills that they were. So those patients are living really perfectly normal lives taking a pill everyday like a vitamin. They still have the disease but that conversion to chronic disease. I think some of the therapies studies are working simply. Some patients with lung cancer, the tumor is not quite going away but its not going either and theyre just staying there with into therapy. I think thats the change thats going on. The thing that the cancer act but also anger a lot of people was it opened up a grant system to all of the country. Was a Cancer Research in many european country. In fact, it would be a Clinical Trials program in europe except that we set it up. We set up and operating office in belgium and got them all going. Now they do very well. But it was a Cancer Institute a set that up. People who made major discoveries have done it with u. S. Dollars. That was the big point come we didnt know where a chore might come from and, therefore, we shouldnt restrict the grants just to the United States. [applause] i like to think the doctor and elizabeth are very much an amazingly informative and if anyone had lots lots of good questions. I hope you will come up and meet with our speakers, and thank you so much for coming. [applause] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] okay, ready to begin. Im Bradley Graham with politics and prose along with my wife, and on behalf of the entire staff, thank you for coming. A few quick administrative notes. Now would be a good time to turn off your cell phones or anything that might go beep. When you get to the q a part, if you have a question please make your way to this microphone here because as you can see we are filming both for our Youtube Channel and also for cspan booktv he. We would like to be able to hear your question. Also it uses the microphone, others in the store can have the question as well. At the end before you come up to get your book signed, our staff would appreciate it if youd pulled up the chairs youre sitting in and leaned them against something that looks like it will not topple over. This evening we are going to hear about it pretty remarkable true story, one that hasnt really been told before. Historic public author and journalist Julian Borger halls of the worlds most successful manhunt. This manhunt targeted 161 individuals wanted for war crimes in connection with the balkan conflicts of the 1990s. Remember, that was the period when the term ethnic cleansing emerged as a kind of euphemism for the wholesale slaughter that was once again taking place in the heart of europe. Those responsible for this brutality the identified and indicted subsequently by the International Criminal tribunal for the former yugoslavia. A special court in the hague created in 1993 by the united nations. It was the first time that a global court had been established to pursue war criminals and ended up engaging in an even more substantial hunt down the search for nazis after world war ii. I 2011, all 161 of those indicted had either been captured or killed or had surrendered or committed suicide. Now, a lot of the manhunt was conducted in secret, and involve special forces from a number of countries, spy agencies, even and attracted tracking unit inside the Hague Tribunal itself. But their achievement and the subsequent trials have set a precedent for how International Authorities can bring justice to bear against those responsible for mass atrocities and other crimes against humanity. Through much dogged reporting, julia who is an experienced register list, has pieced together this amazing story. He strong on more than 200 interviews with soldiers, intelligence officials, investigators, diplomats and others. And he also attend access to files of previously secret British Government documents. He covered the bosnian war for the bbc and the guardian living in sarajevo in the mid 1990s. In 1999 he returned to the balkans to report on the kosovo conflict. He is currently World Affairs editor of the guardian and is part of the team that won the guardians of 2014 pulitzer for Public Service journalism for coverage of the Edward Snowden files. Julian tutt book julians blog the butchers trail has received very favorable reviews from both its abundant detail and gripping narrative style. It was called a vivid page turning account, and your journal a box set quote, this fascinating tale is difficult to put down and reads the best written true crime. So please join me in warmly welcoming Julian Borger. [applause] thank you very much. Thank you very much to politics and prose for having me here. I really loved in the public state they referred to as distinguished refer to as testing which witches were not used in connection with me since my mother i would be maturely great in my early 30s. Thank you very much to all the friends who have come out here tonight. If they would hear my publishers of the press who took a sudden leap of faith in publishing this book, and realized just how big a leap they have taken when they came back to me after reading it and sang why are there so many names ending in federal. Although i was pleased to see a lease initial in the amazon rankings ending in turn one. First bestsellers but has taken off of that one is the number two was mr. Hitler and the realists others mein kampf. What the publisher said, there are too many names ending in ich. It really says so much about the problem of the west, western intervention in bosnia and the balkans. Perhaps its because so many names ended in ich edit also seemed very comforted that it took three years to stop that war and to stop the killing. And it was my hope with this book to kind of breakthrough that barrier and focus on what is universal from this story which is the issue of mass atrocities, the issue of International Humanitarian law and the enforcement of that law. Because what are the hardest, tough problems in Foreign Policy then and now. Bradley said i was in bosnia during the war and afterwards, and my colleagues who were there, and i, were astonished after the war when there were 64,000 nato troops in bosnia, a they didnt go after these people would been indicted for some of the worst crime since the nazi terror. And actually made a point of avoiding going after them. In fact, that policy only change just after i left the region and 97, but i kept tabs on it and saw the arrests, gather momentum, and finally they got down to the big fish, Radovan Karadzic. They got him in 2008. Ratko mladic in 2011, and finally they got the last guy. I wrote up a magazine piece at the time because i thought it was striking that he was a u. N. Mission that it actually and completed. They had 10 161 names on the lit and it took a long time and they finally completed it. And in doing quite a short magazine story it occurred to me it became evident to me that there was a much bigger story underneath. Had to be, that have to be told the want of a vast and sprawling manhunt. If you talk to intelligence and special forces people who are in the business in the late 90s up to 9 11, more than likely they wouldve been involved in that manhunt one way or another. It was the biggest to put a special forces troops anywhere before 9 11. But it became, it was buried under layers of secrecy because it involves intelligence and special forces, but also it came to, was interrupted midway through by 9 11 and in all attention was focused on the war and terror, which is then that directly segued into the people who are looking for the war criminals in bosnia went off immediately and went to afghanistan, went to iraq. The first renditions were from sarajevo, the people have been involved in that manhunt we need to the Hotel Hollywood and picked up a jordanian, egyptian, and they as far as i know a few days after 9 11 with the first people to undergo, suffer rendition to the respective countries. Ive found out very hard to find out what happened to them since. But i did find the man had an extraordinary story from the very beginning. The first operation, arrest operation, specifically for the hague war crimes tribunal was called operation Little Flower which was a sort of pickup team, a mixed Multinational Team under the u. N. Flag which in a way does show all the best that the u. N. Can be. It was a group of people brought together serving a mandate. It was a diplomat general, an american diplomat general who lives in this town, an american prosecutor, Tim Williamson am a british bobby from stratford, ichat, site detected and a polish special forces unit. They concocted this elaborate sting operation to what other war criminals over the border so they could be arrested. They did so pretty much without the knowledge or the approval of their own government. This act of, maverick act open the floodgates. Because then nato was in bosnia did what it all. They called Mission Creep to go after the worker most. They were there. They said he to peace and they dont want to do anything else. After that it became much harder to make the argument that its highly for our troops because this was a bunch of u. N. Officials and some untried, unknown polish soldiers. So they set up a joint operation and stood guard, the uk, u. S. , france, the netherlands. The original idea was to have a multinational, big multinational sweep and pick up everyone pretty much at the same time involving going in to the headquarters with guns blazing. It was never clear to me what that actually meant to do this or they created an operation that would be so scared the politicians that they would cancel but it was never put to the test because the whole thing was torpedoed by an espionage in sex scandal that came to be known a french major whose job it was to go up and down the road from sarajevo to parlay and the cia became convinced that the flow of information was going the wrong way and that he was giving away far more information than he was collecting from others. Ca complaint about them. He was recalled to paris in debriefed by the french hierarchy sent it back and kind of gave kind of a shrug. And it occurred, u. S. Intelligence officers on the ground, maybe this was an individual act but it was a french force protection that they would let us know well be going in and be looking for some of your guys but if you want any trouble you might want to stay out of that area. The end result was the same. But they ended up leaving sarajevo eventually because one night a young woman came in to Police Station in sarajevo, complaints shed been sexually assaulted quite violently by him. And this was presented to the french generals on the spot and he was out within an hour leaving his property, clothes and possessions behind them. Whether he would set up a whether this was something, remains unclear but the result he was out and francoamerican military intelligence relations were very much a soured for the following years. And after that, didnt count for everything. Everyone went their own ways. The british started off in the dead about a dozen arrests in their zone bring it within their rough edge techniques that theyve perfected in northern ireland. Then attach who were operating under the weight of the guild of having been soldiers who were supposed to protect. Vineyard the u. S. Who learned men hunting techniques there that they would take on in the war of terror is. And you had the germans who went into the action for the first time in this manner, in the First Time Since the Second World War and took the first casualties since the Second World War in this manner. And, finally, the french, the most reluctant participants whose first time out turned out to be a real disaster. They killed the guy and almost killed a bunch of kids who are traveling within. Then went on to capture one of the biggest prizes of all. So by the time 9 11 when everyone was shipped out to afghanistan and into iraq, a lot of the small fry had been hoovered up, but what that meant is its the big fish, the people are given the orders had gotten away. By seeing the small fry being picked up, they fled to serbia and croatia where they found safe haven. And the next stage in a minute was about putting the pressure on those government in belgrade and zagreb to do the hunting themselves. It meant economic pressure. And ultimately the big fish were only arrested when there was fundamental political change in those countries, and then in those countries intelligence agencies. What ill do is only an excerpt about the final, when Radovan Karadzic was finally arrested in 2008 after those political changes happened. So by 2008, Radovan Karadzic is europes most wanted ma man d its greatest embarrassment. The selfdeclared republic the foremost psychiatrist and put had carved out of boston have brought death camps, mass executions and genocide back to the heart of a continent that it fooled itself into thinking it is let such abominations behind. The atrocities in bosnia had drawn expressions of horror and outrage from the capitals of europe, yet it had taken three years to stop the killing and 12 more years had slipped by in which the west combined intelligence agencies supposedly stretched everything you to find the perpetrators. Yet karadzic, the wartime president of boston is serb republic and high priest of ethnic cleansing, remained at large. And every day he was at liberty called into question the worlds promises to sit in judgment on the killings if it failed to stop. The pursuit of karadzic have been marked by false starts, blunders, but trails and near misses, from the abortive negotiations over surrender, the spy drama of the affair and the consequent long running francoamerican spat followed by a series of what the american ambushes that the fugitive always managed to avoid, either by the landlocked either by blind luck, tipoffs, or highly sensitive those for danger. When out of the blue lock for once abandoned the fugitive in favor of his pursuers. One of the many dormant phone numbers on the bia, thats a serb intelligence agency, list suddenly rang after four years of silence. More interesting still, the person using the same card in question was Radovan Karadzics younger brother and staunchest defender. He was a blustering smalltime businessmen preoccupied with defending himself against charges of killing a young woman in a drunk driving incident in 2005. But who was he calling . The voice on the other end of the phone was unfamiliar to the bia eavesdroppers. It was mailed that highpitched with the belgrade accent. But the conversation told them nothing more. A couple of investors was said to take a look at the address to which the machine and phone number was registered. They returned having discovered his name was dropped on top which, if somewhat eccentric old character bulletin with a high rise apartment drops outlined the street named in honor of the first man in space in a shabby remains of the concrete socialist dream that was new belgrade. About the bushy white beard and glasses he sported a top not type with a black bow harsh distractingly on his snow we have. Dabic made a living as a new age mystic, offering spiritual cures for chronic diseases and everyday maladies but in the world of alternative medicine he was a minor celebrity with a regular column in the National Magazine healthy living, a parttime gig representing a Connecticut Company and while the sexologist aimed at rejuvenating the sperm of infertile men. The therapist in question claimed that the sluggish sperm would start moving faster if dabic placed his hands in their facility. Dabic seemed an unlikely acquaintance for the hard drinking splenda to everyone who attended to show little interest in alternative lifestyles. So the bia officers dug deeper. The more you look into life of this whitehaired shaman, a stranger a. According to a second the records, dabic came from a town west of belgrade halfway to the croatian border but there was one rather glaring discrepancy. Was another track in dabic with exactly the same data for the dispersion look nothing like the looming scandal figure in new belgrade. He was a squat former construction worker with short gray hair and a drooping mustache who grew tomatoes and make plum brandy. He barely strayed more than ive miles from his birthplace in his entire life and didnt even own a mobile phone. The record show only one drag and dabic had been born there in the 1940s, so one of these two men was clearly an imposter and it didnt take Sherlock Holmes to the dinner has been to figure which. Theres other styles that didnt fit of a spiritual healer. He could have a dozen mobile phones. You some of intimate contact with nationalists and being against the Hague Tribunal. Bia office will send back to 257 gregarious street to hang around and take a closer look strolling past him in the road. The officer turned, returned with a startling suggestion. Perhaps this meant was that the mysterious link to Radovan Karadzic, the survey listing of suspected if you cut off the top not, shaved the beard and remove the causes, dabic could be karadzic himself. But by this time word had reached