I guess we will come to see technology as like smartphones something every day. Its already moving into class, google classes. I think we will come to see it like a fork or spoon or pair of glasses. It wont be anything special but at this point it is so captivating and magical i think that we can ge give ourselves tt a little bolder lee and uncritical. So my book is an effort to push to just think and gain a little perspective and make sure that those tools designed to serve us or not enslaving us. So the book is a warning shot . I think that igod is a deep appreciation for the people that created these technologies. I appreciate how theyv they hae helped us manage abundance intod too much but it is a chance to say the careful that you dont place too much faith in technology and too much magic is something that is really meant to serve us rather than drive us. Igod is the name of the book how technology shapes our spiritual and social lives. Craig detweiler pepperdine is the author. Booktv is on facebook. Like us to interact with booktv guests and viewers, watch videos and get uptodate information, facebook. Com booktv. Now on booktv encore booknotes. Irish chain was on in 1997 to talk about her book the rape of nanking the forgotten holocaust of world war ii. The book documents the atrocities upon the people by the Japanese Military during the early years of world war ii. This is about an hour. G cspan author of the rapete of nanking the forgotten holocaust of world war ii whentn did you first think about writing this for . Think of guest well, it goes back a long way. I mea n, i learned about thiss event when i was a little child but i didnt really think aboutk writing the book until i finished my first one ratherfinr thin and after i had attended a conference in california thatded was devoted to preserving the history of this event. Cspan what was the rape of nanking . Guest for the greatest atrocities. In december 1937, the japanese swept into china which was then nanking and was there for six to eight weeks they butchered, raped and tortured hundreds of thousands of chinese civilians. 300,000 people ultimately died during this massacre and they raped and estimated 20,000 to 80,000 women during this period. Cspan way is. So did the later discovered between 20 to 80,000 . Guest its hard to ascertain between the numbers. Women were reluctant to come out against the fact that the time. Brian mack on page 59 theres a gentle man here. Was he . Guest he was a doctor that back in 1937 he was one of the soldiers that committed atrocities. Bria cspan have you met him . Guest this was taken from an article that the story was so compelling that i had to put it in my book. Cspan before i read this tony would story it is. Guest are we talking about the story in the article itself . Cspan guest he is a doctor now and he feels so terrible about what he did, so he has put pictures of some of the atrocities in the waiting room of his clinic so the patients of him could see what he did in nanking. Cspan iron member being driven on the truck piled through thousands and thousands of slaughtered bodies. While the dogs at the dead flesh as we stopped and pulled a group of prisoners out of the back than the japanese officer proposed a test of my courage. She spat on it and with a sudden swing brought it down on the neck of a chinese boy cowering before us. The head cut off and tumbled away as the body slumped forward with blood squirting into great fountains from the neck. The officer suggested i take it home as a souvenir. I remember smiling as i took the sword and begin killing people. Why did you put this in their . Guest i wanted to show people that a defeat for soldiers were implicated to commit violence. This isnt a story that was an isolated incident. This was happening throughout nanking committee and the massacre all the way up to the capital and they even held contests in order to desensitize the japanese soldiers from feeling reluctant in committing these atrocities. Cspan we have a picture here of the corpses along the river. Where did you find this picture . Guest that one came from a japanese correspondent who took that picture printed in several other publications. So its really that isnt the most gruesome picture. You may not want to show the audience some of the others that are in my book. Cspan we do want to show the pictures so that they can see, not the picture on the other side if we can pick it up, that picture right there. Whats this . Guest the one on the right . That is a member of heads that have just been put out. This was the typical scene in nanking. Beheadings, they would put heads up on posts like the picture underneath so that people could understand what it would be like if they continue to resist japan. Cspan and where was this done . Guest it was done throughout nanking but also china actually. Brian mack was was the history that they were in china in 1937 and in nanking . Guest in 1937 the japanese found an opportunity to promote war with china and its called the mark opel low bridge incident and we probably dont have much detail, we dont have much time to go into that, but it escalated into a fullscale war, and the japanese invaded shanghai in the fall of 1937 and they had originally thought that the war would take place only three months they thought that they could conquer china in a matter of months but when one battle a loan in one chinese city dragged onto that, the japanese were anxious to i think make an example of the city. They were furious and frustrated and that is the mood of the soldiers were in as they marched from shanghai to nanking. Cspan where is that in china . Guest in a band at the river. Its only a 2 miles away. Shanghai would be on the coast of china and further in land and the city is right situated at the band of where the river courses to the north and then turns to flow towards the coast. So when the japanese swept towards nanking call they had to do was encircle it from three other directions because the river itself formed a natural barrier. Cspan have you been to nanking . Guest several times. In the summer of 95 i was there for several weeks actually, just one time. Cspan what is your personal connection . Guest my father was born in that area. And my family actually, my grandparents used to live in nanking shortly before the massacre itself. Cspan cspan diva number the first time you heard about it . Guest i dont remember they must have been in grade school at the time and my parents were professors at the university of illinois that were telling me about the nanking massacre and they said that the killings had been so intense in nanking that the river literally ran red with blood for days and they said that people were being accepted pieces hacked to pieces. Its hard for me to visualize and i wanted to learn more about it so i went to the local library to see if i could find anything about it, and there wasnt a single book in english. I couldnt find anything. Cspan but did you do next . Guest as a child i probably just forgot about it and i didnt think about it for another 20 years. The rate in nanking didnt intrude in my life until i was married and i was living in Santa Barbara and a film maker friend of mine told me that he had two friends who had heard that people were filming a documentary on the rate in nanking, but they have problems appearing and funding for the distribution because the japanese influence in this country and thats what piqued my interest again. I located the filmmakers and talked to them and one of them who produced the documentary in the name of the emperor told me that there was considerable chinese activism on this event and that if i was interested i should contact this particular organization that is called the alliance for the preservation of the truth of world war ii and as it turns out, this particular organization was hosting a conference on the rate of nanking in december of 1994, so since i was in Santa Barbara and the conference was to be held i just drove up and attended the event. Now, what i wasnt prepared for was the fact they had poster size pictures of some of these atrocities and i was seeing these pictures for the very first time coming and i was virender i felt sick to my stomach. I really thought i would have to go home because i was so ill and i resolved to do something. This is so bad and yet no one had written a book about it, so i figured that it was time to take initiative. Cspan who is this woman appear . Is she alive . Guest yes, she is. Cspan and what is the story . Guest in 1937, she was a teenage wife of a technician who had fled from the city of nanking on top of the train and she was left behind in the city and she ended up fighting off three soldiers who tried to rape her. They stabbed her more than 30 times. Cspan where does she live now . Guest she lives in nanking. Cspan did you talk to her . Guest yes i did. I spoke to her for several hours and i felt like a time traveler because i saw this picture of her when she was still in hes teenager and when i met her face to face she was almost 80yearsold. Cspan what does she look like now . Guest she is very feisty, shes very strong. One of the strongest women ive ever met. She is she has so many wrinkles now that theyve covered up the scars when she was younger the scars on her face were horrible. Cspan again, she was stabbed 37 times with bayonets. Guest thats correct. Cspan even under anything else about the story, where was she when she was stabbed . Guest she was in the International Safety zone that was organized by the foreigners of nanking to protect them from the japanese and we will probably talk more about that later but at the time the soldier had his eye on her when he went down into the basement where she was hiding and he tried to rape her but she would prevent being raped, so luckily she was bigger than he was so that when he lunged when he came for her she ripped the bayonet from him and she threw her back against the wall and started grappling with him and she ended up using him as a human shield against the other soldiers trying to stab her and protect him but she was using him as a shield to prevent from getting slashed. Cspan out of she survive . Guest just barely. One bayonet stab her right in the stomach and she eventually lost her baby, but she fainted and she was almost buried alive by her family that didnt realize she was still alive but someone noticed the bubbles of blood frothing from her mouth and they rushed her to the hospital where the american doctor Robert Wilson saved her life. Cspan now, shes now 80 sh0 someyearsold. When you talk to her how many times did somebody ask about this over the years . Guest i think other reporters have talked with her. Im not really sure. Cspan you talk about your dad being born near there. What about your grandparents . Guest my mothers parents were in nanking in 1937. My grandfather actually was in the city as the japanese were bombing it into this just an incredible story of how they were almost separated forever during the chaos and the mass evacuations. Cspan i read the story that was more aboubut was more. Guest when the fighting in shanghai escalated, it became clear to my grandfather that his wife who was then a young woman in her 20s wasnt really safe and he didnt want her to be in the city foa city where the jape bombarding the hospitals and schools and so he sent her to the home village near the city and when he went back to visit her in the village and journeyed back he didnt realize the entire capital was moving in my hand and by his particular unit was leaving and he had to get the word to my grandmother to join him in another city so they could leave that whole region. They were to meet because i think in the railroad tax as he waited for her she waited for four days and he didnt know that it was just taking a long time because the railroad had been bombed out and everyone was trying to get out of there, so he waited and waited and eventually it got to the it got to the point that he really had to make a choice. He would either leave the city and leave and maybe never see his wife again or he could wait for his wife and his daughter and then meet up with them but missed the boat out of the region knowing that that area would be overrun by japanese soldiers. And he was so desperate right when he turned to leave he screamed out her name. He screamed about and in one last it happens that my grandmother was in there and she stuck her head out and yelled back and it is because of that cry they were reunited because otherwise my mother would have never been born and they never would have seen each other again. Cspan when did they leave china . Guest they didnt leave until shortly before the 1949 communist revolution. So, that would have been sometime in the 1940s. Cspan are they alive . Guest unfortunately both have passed away. My grandfather lived up to the 94yearsold. He passed away in 1993 coming and my grandmother died this last summer. Its very unfortunate she didnt get to see the publication of the book. Cspan did you talk about the materia material into the . Guest my grandfather because he was a poet and an artist and a book author and hed written about some of this in his biography but i did have a chance to interview my grandmother as well before she died. Cspan where did you grow up . Guest illinois where my parents were professors. Cspan how long did you live their . Guest exactly 20 years. My father was offered a position i guess when i was about one. I went to school there at the university and left i think at age 21. Cspan ar cspan or they stole their . Guest they are. Cspan where did you go when you left . Guest i worked briefly as a reporter at this usaid press deletassociated press and then Hopkins University writing Seminar Program where i received my masters degree then i got married and moved out to california where my husband is working. Cspan where do you live now . Guest sunnyvale california which is the heart of Silicon Valley. Cspan use it in the book the japanese have never apologized for this. Guest thats correct never officially apologized. Cspan like . Guest i think theres really no reason for them to do so unless they were pressured to do so. Cspan why hasnt someone pressured them to do so . You compare it to what the germans have done. Guest i think demographics has something to do with it. Some of the activism behind the events was fairly new but the cold war has a large role in the violence of the japanese and the chinese and the americans on this issue. After the communist revolution, neither the prc were dargo c. Wanted to pressured japan to pay operations and apologize because both of them needed to japan as an ally against each other to be needed at japan as an economic and political reason and the United States. Fullstop japan as its ally of in the communism in asia. Cspan in 1837 how many people live in nanking . Guest before some of the evacuations about a million people. Cspan what was the relationship in china and japan was going on in the world and what was their relationship . Guest in 1937 . Is by that point were intense. In the summer of 1937, japan had attacked shanghai. The war had already broken out. For hundreds of years it wasnt something that just started in 1937. There is a long history of animosity. Cspan what is the reason . Guest reason for . Guest animosity. I dont know if we have enough time to go into this, that there has already been the war between is the first sign i japanese war and there had already been numerous attempts by the japanese to carve up parts of china. They had already seized by the 1930s. Cspan what is it the japanese character that led to this kind of slaughtering blacks would you find in this process . I assume you ask people about that. Guest its very complicated. Another historian sai said tryio peer into the japanese mind is like trying to stare down a cold. Its very difficult often to find out the motives. I would say that if you are looking at the soldiers themselves you will find that many of them have been so brutalized before the massacre that the nanking massacre was an episode in which much of the pentup frustration that they had experienced had exploded. They were systematically hazed for years. You have to imagine just how intense the Japanese Military experience was. He had to end her getting sloshed around by the japanese officers. I mean, there were japanese soldiers being forced to wash their underwear. They were treated almost as subhuman in their own army and asked that ha have been suggestd that those that had the least power and had become the most when they do gain some chance to unleash the frustration that was thought up inside. Cspan how much discussion have you had with the japanese people about this event . Guest i had the opportunity to talk to a group of japanese students were studying in san francisco. And they were absolutely shocked to find out what happened. I mean, they had been kept in the dark about this all their lives. They said that the textbooks contained only one line on the massacre that was referred to as the incident, and i remember that when i showed them some of the photographs one woman burst into tears, so its clear many of the japanese people to this day dont really know what happened. I mean, the ignorance in japan on this event and on other atrocities is appalling. If you look i talked with a College Professor in japan and he said that when he mentioned to his students and remember these are College Students that japan had been at war with the u. S. Many of the students asked him which side one. So in other words they are not being talked about this in school and the ministry of education has for decades censored this event and others from their textbooks. This has been the subject of a 30 year lawsuit between the japanese government and famous historian. Cspan cspan is there a chinese Holocaust Museum . Guest there is a nanking museum. It has a big number 300,000 inscribed but thats about it. Ive met people in los angeles that are interested in building a chinese Holocaust Museum. Guest you said the house of representatives got into this . Guest thats something different. That is the bill. Cspan i mean into this whole issue. Guest thats right. William who is a democrat from illinois introduced a bill in congress that calls for the japanese to officially apologize to the world war ii victims and pay reparations and the rate of nanking is only one aspect of the bill. There were many other atrocities such as the Korean Comfort Women issue, the medical experimentation the japanese had conducted including without anesthesia and american and chinese prisoner of war. The baton death march. There are so many instances of wartime atrocities mentioned in his bill and they have more than 30 supporters in congress. Cspan what was the killing contest you mentioned earlier . Guest there were two lieutenants who wante