So there were more Prisoners Released since any point since 2009. The 54 men who have been cleared from the weeds out of the 122 that still remain there. And we and others are pushing for their release as soon as possible as soon as they can be transferred to countries where they will be protected from rights violations. We need to prosecute the people against whom there is genuine evidence of wrongdoing. And we need to release the rest. So as i talked about earlier, this is one way of doing it hopefully not a hideous case like this one, thats another way of doing it, we see a greater momentum but far more needs to be done if this is going to close before president obama leaves office. The map we have time for one more question. I want to know if you feel as his lawyer that you have enough opportunity to get your hands on all of the information and that includes how if it was proven, that it was torture, and is in background enough to throw out any case against somebody . To answer the first question, no, we have not seen everything the government has kept a great deal of information from us that we need and that we believe is exculpatory and in favor. We cannot determine often where somebody who has said something who it was, who reported it we cannot get much information that we need but we continue to keep secrets even from the lawyers that have security clearances we cant get the information that we need to really defend him. We have to go to guantanamo, its expensive to get their if he writes a letter goes to a secret place and gets put in a secret for and we have to go and read it if we want to write to him, everything takes about a month in each direction. Its not like representing anyone else. So the government is doing this intentionally so becomes difficult to represent. It is very hard because we have the same kinds of constraints. He is not the only person who has been tortured. There are many others still remaining. And they still have not been enough to secure his release. And i think part of this is to tell the story and help people understand that the same generosity that mohamedou has towards americans and individuals is a generosity that i hope that we have towards the people of individual human beings to determine us on a casebycase basis to ensure the release and put an end to the ongoing travesty that is guantanamo cell today. I wish that mohamedou could have been here to present his book himself. Whats up so that he will be able to do so but im confident that when he does and hes able to view the video, that he will certainly appreciate this to his book and his cause. Thank you very much. [applause] so we will be glad to stick around. Is also has had his signature, so we can stamp your book with his signature. So please come and get the book its available. With the u. S. Senate in recess all week for president s day, a tv in prime time continues on wednesday night. Starting at 8 00 p. M. Eastern, michael pillsbury, author of the open hundred your power and a journalist about the air of spring. Once upon a revolution, and the egyptian story. George freeman wrote flashpoints, the emerging crisis in europe. Cspan2 provides live coverage of the u. S. Senate floor proceedings and key Public Policy events for 15 years the only channel committed to nonfiction books and authors. Like us on facebook and follow some. Reporter . Mark krotov published the book the Senate IntelligenceCommittee Report on torture. They talk about the decision that is commonly known as the torture report. [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] i am rick macarthur, the publisher of harpers magazine. How many subscribers here . And i am delighted to welcome local hopefully be an endless series of collaboration between the culture and harpers. But culture is a proudly independent bookstore on the Upper West Side of manhattan harpers magazine is one of the oldest and continuously published monthly, and a fiercely independent outlet, the best in American Literature including fiction, reporting criticism and photography. As part owner of the store, we hope to work with chris, over there. [applause] definitely give her a hand. [applause] as often as we can to bring enlightening authors and issues in front of a Live Audience of authentic readers and book buyers. Tonight we are fortunate to present an extraordinary book, the Senate IntelligenceCommittee Report on torture. That is senator Dianne Feinstein expose of the Central Intelligence agencys program in the wake of 9 11 of interrogating and torturing detainees held in secret prisons around the globe. In keeping with knives theme of independence, the cia torture report is published by novell house, a company that epitomizes the importance and necessity of independent book publishers. Who else but dennis and Valerie Johnson would have converted this massive but highly readable text into a book in such a short time. An amazing feat of publishing ingenuity that we are going to discuss with the editor of the book, mark krotov of Melville House. Well also we will also be guided to some of the most salient features a contributing editor of harpers magazine and in International Lawyer went expertise and human rights in the march 2010 issue he wrote that the National Magazine awardwinning expose quandt hondo suicide and he has done followup reporting on the story for harpers and we will publish his review in our april issue which comes out in march. He is also author of lords of secrecy and after mark and scott get to talk, we will have time for questions. And when you want to it ask a question, wait for someone to ask you a if you need a microphone. Before we start, lets emphasize that this socalled report is actually a good read a narrative with an authors voice vividly gruesome description, lots of irony and a frightening conclusion. It merits being purchased by the general reader. I admit that i approached it with trepidation, assuming wrongly that it would amount to a dry collection of facts that could easily be summarized in a few pages. But on the contrary. To fully appreciate senator feinsteins considerable congressmen and that of the principal writer you really need to view it as literature and immerse yourself in the text. This is much more than a horror story of Government Employee gone brutally wild trampling on the bodies of victims while they trample on the rule of law, it is also a story of deep government which is to say unaccountable and tyrannical government beyond the reach of elected officials. And it really should give pause to even the most for rent defenders of those practiced by the cia. Please buy the book and read it not just to support null the house, but also to educate yourself free of the mediation with too many axes to grind. For all of the faults and there are many this reported a tribute to what is left to our tattered constitution and its leader at system of checks and balances. So lets get to the conversation and i believe that we will start with mark. Thank you very much. Thank you. [applause] thank you so much for that extraordinary introduction. And i should say anyone who takes a commitment to the journalistic truth seriously if they are not a harpers subscriber, they are making a mistake. There have been very few outlets sort of in the post9 11 era that have cast serious light on domestic policy and harpers magazine is one of the foremost in that effort and i am so thrilled to be speaking with scott, who i turned to for years, over and over again to bring this injustice to light. It is a remarkable thing that he has done in his journalism and with this book. And i am so looking forward to diving into it. I would like to speak briefly about how it is that at Melville House seeking to publish this report to speak a little bit about the kind of you know, the kind of Literary History of this genre. Because it is a genre. And we will talk about the origins of this report which are as interesting as the contents. Publishers have been publishing reports like this for decades the one report was quickly turned into a book that became a bestseller that sold a million and a half copies, he became a book and sort of the modern era of this report i think really begins with this and the starr report is sort of an instrument documents but many of us came to it not by downloading it through the dialup connections and trying to logon to find it, but we saw in our local walmart and there it is a great article published the day before this was released and in that article there is an interview with the founder of Public Affairs press and he says that we are going to publish this report, we are going to stop what we are doing and spend the next 72 hours putting this into a book. The publishers pocketbook says in the same article that we are not going to do it, we just dont think that we are going to make this kind of commitment. The same day a press release goes out and you can find this online the post says and so the appeal was too great. So if you want a book addition there is a pocket edition and then of course there is a 9 11 Commission Report and the financial crisis inquiry report, kind of the two modern analogues to this document. And so what i would really like to stress and what i think is an important distinction is that those reports were published in collaboration with the publishing houses and in the case of the financial crisis i think you can find this in the New York Times article overtime, the report is actually held up by a couple of weeks to allow Public Affairs to typeset in print and distribute this report simultaneously and theres question as to whether this represents the most noble effort to do this. Certainly at the time it was released there was a recognition right there available for everyone to buy. And we notice that this was not going to happen with the torture report. Which many have said and i would stress is the most significant report of its kind in our lifetime. We looked around, there didnt seem to be many stepping forward. The week before was published, there was an article in Time Magazine that said basically we have been trying to reach Dianne Feinstein trying to reach the committee and there is a no go. That seems to suggest there was not going to be an official edition but it also seemed that this would most likely not be doing it. Its founding 2001 has been publishing politically engaged work that is aimed as much as possible to kind of push back against mainstream consensus in the political narrative of the Bush Administration. We publish the book torture taxi, which actually was a book you can find the first photograph in pakistan to come up again and again in this book and it was called cold vault. But those were not photographed even by the Washington Post and so this made itself known. And so there are other books like this. We felt that this made sense to do and then we decided to do it. That is when things got complicated. Because the report was released on the morning of december 9 and we looked at it and, you know, it was a pdf report poorly formatted so much that he wouldnt want to bring home to mom. Not only was it redacted which we will get to but the thing itself was poorly formatted and it seemed to have been printed and rescanned. It did not make for a kind of organic reading experience. But we quickly decided was that this was going to be an enormous challenge and that this itself was the opportunity we didnt think people were going to sit at home on their couches and read this and adjustable pdf. We thought, okay lets put as much effort into this as we can now and we will try to come up with something clean as we make the time. And we did. You know, over the course of the production process we were dealing with a lot of various production glitches that we can sort of discussed. What also struck all of us to team effort was how consequential this report truly was and is literary how significant this work was. And so before we do its actually the story of this publication that is the contested difficult, english story behind the report released. I think one can say that it reveals as much about negative influence as the Central Intelligence agency as the documents within. So lets start there. What are the precedents for reports during the Bush Administration on the cia at the ready a maximum a sickly there is nothing, we had a special Commission Link and too bad intelligence. This led to the iraq war, but we have generally very little oversight being performed by either congressional committee. So we come down to this. And of course, i think that we here really aggressive pushback. Okay its the sport in seven, the preaching thing that was unleashed on them but if we go back to the beginning we discover that no actually the cia invited them. And it all goes back to the destruction of a waterboarding session by an unidentified cia agent and we subsequently discovered that that was Jose Rodriguez a very senior official and it wasnt just one tape at 92 tapes, it was all of them that had been storied and this was reported on the front page of the New York Times and got quite a bit of interest immediately from the Oversight Committee and they said we seem to have missed something, maybe evidence is being destroyed, there were queries about what had happened exactly. Michael hayden, then the director of the cia had a quick series of meetings with the chair and Ranking Member and told them not to worry because there is redundant evidence of everything. So even if the tapes were not destroyed we had contemporaneous written records and cables to cover everything. So there is nothing lost as a result and he said i dont expect to i dont expect you to take my word for it, so invite you to go through and read all this other evidence. So it starts with an invitation from the cia the fact that they like to suppress right now. And a staff member from the committee went through these cables from various outposts and came back with a quick summary and the summary was that its very clear what we read in the cables that the program does not correspond to what was briefed to the committee. There are different techniques being used which are much harsher, its much larger in scope and some it seems far more severe than anything we were told about before. And the Committee Leadership presented us with a dilemma and we have this sort of sample probe being told that you have been misled about this and what to do and then a decision was talked about almost unanimously to go ahead and commission a full indepth review of all of the cia documentation from the beginning. The scope of review was also a matter of some controversy from the outside and right now you will hear prominent leaders in the Senate Republicans saying that this report is no good because it doesnt deal with what was going on in the white house and other agencies of the government only looking at the cia, some of the same republicans are making those comments, insisting that that they sell. They insisted that there be no review of what is going on inside the agencies and they were honestly afraid that the results could be politically embarrassing to the white house and other Senior Administration officials. So from there we get a launch of the program and it becomes a multiyear exercise which is really quite remarkable. Okay. So what you see going on is exactly what goes on in american commercial edition. With the cia saying that we are entitled to do independent audits and reviews before we turn it over we have to have 20 of time to do that. Because we are dealing with topsecret matters, we are going to put in place all of these special precautions which are going to take years to put into place before you can even get down to starting the process of the review. And we are not going to allow you to take these documents to the secure document room at the senate. No, you cannot do that, you can only view them in a secure facility of the cia. And we will not allow you to house these documents or records and that is just unsafe. And that we will turn them over to you for your use. And so the these details become report later on. Then the cia well we need to do a complete review of all these documents before we let you see anything, the review is for relevant and privilege and if we have any lawyers here what is part of this with the Senate Committee. And we dont have anybody on our staff now is really available to do this review. So we are going to hire contractors so secret that we cant show it to the senate, but we are going to higher contractors who have never seen the documents and would not otherwise be able to see them to do the review for us not put too much of a burden on the staff, and i could that could take many months before that can possibly be done. So it years and years it develops on this and it is a very conscious effort to slow walk the entire process and drag it out year after year after year and as we get down to the end, there is some amazing twists and turns in battle over specific documents and evidence. One particular event occurs that the cia staff working in preparing these documents for transition, they have also been commissioned by the director of the cia had had to prepare for him a summary of everything. So tell the director what it is. They prepare this for the director and by mistake apparently this summer he winds up being loaded onto the Senate Computer and they say, this is amazing because they are drawing the same conclusions that we are drawing about these documents. And so the same conclusions basically. And that is the bottom line, no actionabl