Usually the major dorms had a Radio Station. Statio i did that for about six weeks, made a tape, got a job at w itl. The be itl lansing michigan, mic which was a big countrywestern station. Number one station in lansing. I was a weekend dj and i hated Country Music and i discovered that i absolutely loved Country Music. I was a teenager in the 60s and it was like rock n roll was nothing. I worked there for a year or so and that in did an allnight showg. , progressive rock show ad then went back to woodland ended news for seven years. Then i got out of that in 2002,. November 2002, thanksgiving we were living in vermont and luis flew back to michigan, to visit her family for thanksgiving and all the way there all i couldbe get was it was odd, it was like Sean Hannity Show repeated itself three or four ship times on the port and were and he was doing a live remote from habitat for humanity and he was called at hannity for humanity and liv talking about no liberal will get this house, which kind ofndh offended my sensibilities, butoo more than then iw was thinking half of the country votes democratic, roughly. Not like we are a totally red country. We are a purple country. There has to be a market for the left wing version of what hannitys doing, thought i wrote an oped for Common Dreams probably around december 2002. It basically was a Business Plan i have been in radio. E and been inha the business. I know how it works and here is it was how you can do a it from a h business part of you and upou cn programming point of view and put that out there. Then thought in 97, we had sold in ad agency in atlanta, so we were essentially retired. I thought it would be fun to try this out see if we can do this. H so, putting my money where my mouth was, so we found a Radio Station burlington, vermont, that would put me on the air fon two hours on a saturday morning after the swap meet and for a few months there i didnttwo hor morning show, about half the mon calls i got work is that john deere tractor still available. Moing but, again we made a tape and took that to america radio network, which at the time wasa . The only Progressive Radio Network in america, preceded error america. It was owned by the uaw. They picked me up and put us on 29 stations and serious xm ore sirius at that time. Xm was a competitor. Thats how the show started and thenti and shelly asked me to come out to chicago and meet with them. They had read my article and were thinking of starting a Network Based on what i had written about and they startedot air america. O after a year or so of competing with air america, maybe two years or whatever it was they started syndicating my show. But, i was owned of the show and ye i think i was the only show my ring of fire was the other one. The only two shows that werehe s actually owned by the host as oppose to the station. , host why do you think air america when under . Osed t guest i think it was a ho mixture of thingsst. Amera when the biggest was was they were wa undercapitalized. Back when he was in the new Nixon White House and have proposed or signed off on a proposal for some to call gop d which was an early foxnews and a nixon could raise the money, so it never happened and then he met murdoch and murdoch said sure, lets do this. They lost 100 million a year for roughly five years before they made any money, so you can say, sean hannity last of them said in the aggregate baby 400 million. Is in that a terrible failure . No, thats not after the fifth year they caught an audience and now they make a lot of money. When air america declared m bankruptcy i think that conjure fa Something Like 16 or 17 millioa overki five or six year timefra. When not a lot of money for a ove f National Radio network. Particularly, one part of their Business Model was leasing. Rado so, i think beingwo undercapitalized and there were some management problemsio and some of the people in management really shouldnt have been there and there were some programming issues that i disagreed with and that theyhere mire creating some programs tham were more Like Television and radio and theres a real big difference of those mediums. B i think the real big problem is that they were out of cash a. Pl host in several of your books you refer to yoemurself ab serial on spin your . Guest yak, i started my First Business when i was 17, a tv repair shop and stereo repair shop. Host a head shop. Bout beinga guest in the back of a head shopes and we called at the erotic electronics and joint with a tv antenna and then we got a little less hippie andthea what i was doing the guy who owned the head shop, i rented a shelf from him for 25 a monthd then people would bring electronic equipment and and it i would pick it up and take it home and fix it. I would bring about the next day and he would collect the money and he took a percentage of the money to. Reed a s we grheew out of that shelf in money and took a per about four months and moved down the street and rentedk a place and ended up with for technicians and six or seven employees total. My soon to be wife was our bookkeeper and it was the firsts business i ever owned and also the only business that i started that went down in flames. I learned a lot from that, an awful lot from that. Yeah, and then after that we th. And then started an herbal tea company, an Advertising Agency. We moved to 78 and started a community for kids reading 83 we moved back to atlanta and. Started a travel agency andk to built up from nothing after age. About 6 Million Value and got on the front page of the wall street journal. Sold it and 86 and moved to germany with our kids for a year living at and working with therr Nonprofit Organization i had been working with since 1978. We had base the community for these kids on then we came back and 87 from germany and back to atlanta and started an Advertising Agency and that is the company i sold and 97 and we moved to vermont to retire and start the radio show, which turned it was going to be a hobby and now im doing four g hours of media every day five days a week. Host where are you living . Guest . In the southwest in washington. Host when did you start and white did you start writing books . Hog guest again, this goes back to my childhood. My mom was an english major and graduated from msu back in the late 40s and her aspiration c was to be a writer and she held writers the way people today think of movie stars. My dad had 20000 books in the house. A he had organized like a library. Of w very organized guy. I started writing as a youngeryd teenager and by the time and moved out of the house with i was 16 i had paper may butterball rejection slips. Beoom wa i just kept doing it and now iyd have got i think around 25 books i in print. Host the first several books you wrote were about attention deficit disorder. Guest first several i published. I had writtent. Ok probably 10 o2 books before that, but none were ever published. Arthur c clarke says your first million is your practice and thats true. Add and thatan was a product of two things. I was the executive director of. The residential Treatment Facility in New Hampshire. My wife was the program director. So, my job principally was tmpo raise money and do publicity and things like that. But, i noticed that virtuallyith all of the kids came in were coded as hyperactive or back then it was referred to hyper kinesis syndrome, hyperkinetic children in these kinds of o things and in 78, the year we started that i think the year before that feingold publishes y book, white is your child hyperactive. He proposed it was food thathado these children were reacting tod with a functionally allergy. He was an allergist by the way, so he had a certain biased. We did a study on our kids over sixmonth time putting them on his diet and weight down at a 34 kids we had one kid we could turn on and off like a light switch with his diet, but hehis also hwead horrible psoriasis. Ia they seemed to make his psoriasis worse, so i think ford a small subset of the population there is that allergy connection , but foremost i think its a way of brain trwiring ani published my First Published piece on that around 1980 and it was the journal of molecular psychology t suggesting that it was not a disease, but simply a of having your brain wired to. When one of our children was diagnosed with adhd in highferew school in the 80s and the psychologists that in the room with him and said forget about going to college, you shouldm become a car mechanic. And youre good with your hands. Go by the way, if youre going to be a car mechanic work on the foreignmade cars because they make more money. At this point my son is like in tears because he wanted to go to college. I thought this sucks and this is a terrible way to describe this, so i wrote my first book add a different perception ando essentially two of my sonsy to saying youre not broken theres nothing wrong with you. Son of different skill set than mant other kids, but there are also a lot of people in your tribe and he has a masters degree in science business of his own, god bless yes, i wrote a couple ofin books. N became a National Best seller and may publisher was like i bem want another book in another book. Host who are we talking about, this is a quote from you, he is a poster child for add and if he didnt have add we wouldnt have the United States of america . Ational stseller guest probably been franklin. Is been a while since noith wr , this those books. I po in fact, in add a differenthave perception i quoted a couple ofa people and as i recall its beee , sirlin, Thomas Edison richard whats his name, same differen name as the guy who married elizabeth taylor. Host burton . His name, guest yes, burton. He was such a classic and probably Richard Burton given his bouncing around what not. Host why do you say that about been franklin . Guest if it better franklin never held one john for more than job for more than three years and reinvented himself over 30 times and literally gues changed his profession. He lived all of the world. Yes. He he was easily bored and i think add can be for a person who isf who has a lower iq is more of a challenge and for person like franklin, who was a genius andho had add it can be a useful culmination. I think for everyone it can be a useful commendation. Host would you say he was a serial on your . Guest yes, he definitely was an inventor and writer and publisher like i said he helped gues create United States t of ameri. Host 2004, what would joseph and n jefferson do. Where did that but come from . Guest i wrote that the because because i kept encountering revision of history specifically and particularly about jefferson. It was kind of a resurgence of hi interest in jefferson, largely after 911, but there are about r couple of historians that imte1 not sure have degrees in history who were suggesting that jefferson was a bible thumping christian and that its part of this whole america was founded on christian values and there are several very well organizations pushing and a number of other myths about jefferson that i thought wereffo important to knockdown and just told actual story of jeffersons life and what he did and what hr was promoting. Host i think you write about the fact, living in New Hampshire you discovered some jeffersonian material in the how she were living in. One guest yes, and vermont, actually. And thats what really got me into it. I had forgotten about thatishe. W hous passes. The we bought this house in 2001, i think it was and in the attic there was a couple of boxes of1n old books in the attic of the Carriage House that was attached to it and they were horribly weather damaged. Whoever had the house before us just left of them there and in fact they had been left for a long time. There was 10 or 20 volume set, because a 20 volume set of collectiveve writings of Thomas Jefferson which had 0sonly beens published once. It had his personal diaries and all of his letters and autobiography and all of thiss f stuff and i spent a year ihise mean, i was quote retired and io spent a year just reading andleo living inside jeffersons braina and then like i said im reading all this stuff in the world thas completely contradicts what i just learned and i realizedcompd there icis something to be said for a objective bull voice ini history and jefferson in a lot of his writings was thinking about the posterity, think about his own reputation, presented ao himself well, as you would expect. Y, thinking abou but, the history is fairly r clear. Led me to that book and that also led me to when i startedr writing that book the first led draft became the book under equal protection, actually. Jefferson would be horrified by the idea [inaudible] by the cooration guest for small the corporate and its modern formr although the British Indian company was the first modern corporation, Queen Elizabeth the first charted it in 1600 in the First Corporation was the golden hind and she did that and made a fortune. Her and the members of parliament. In 1770, three, jeffersoniament. Published a pamphlet called a pd summary view of the rights of british americans, as i recall. Its been almost two decades since ive read this stuff. It was basically a booklet about how to be a good british citizen in north america. A that was in the summer. W the late fall or early wintet england was suffering through a recession, a serious serious recession, worldwide recession. U so, they passed that tea act, d so which were some reason most people think was a tax increase on tea, but what it was actually, the east india compano was almost all owned by members of the British Parliament and members of the royal family and the company was like going down the tubes. It they had a monopoly on most of the businesses in the United States andar t was what everyone drank. Of the people didnt drink coffee in the early colonies and every block for every other block at a tea shop and it was kind of this Cultural Center and so the tea active 70 and 73 was the largest tax cut at that point in time, corporate taxcut in the history of the world that not thatesor east India Company had over 10 Million Pounds as i recall or whatever it was, a massive co amount ofmp tea in stock in thek and they had already paid taxes on. So, it was a tax rebate on allo, of that stuff, so they got monet lack from the government. S a tal the goal was to sell that tea into north america because the problem they were having in t north america was about half of. The teeth being consumed inthe r these tea shops was from quote smugglers, the Dutch Trading Companies are trading tomug american Trading Companies and was being brought in illegally. They tried to stop the trade ans they would cooperate back to captain kidd, lets hire a pirate and stop. There was no way to stop it, so al they decided tol undercut it, o the British Company was bring it this super discounted teat s in. The United States and the citizens from philadelphia up to boston freaked outso and started this Huge Campaign to block tea from even coming in and in charleston they prevented them from coming to the harbor. But, they finally docked in boston. That led to basically a Million Dollar in todays dollars act of vandalism. They vandalized three of the ships quietly, respectfully, heterestingly enough. I tracked down a copy of the only eyewitness accounts and got the original book that was published in 188i 3. Publhed it was George Roundtree hughes w and it had a long title. In fact, he was the guy that tit came up with the phrase Boston Tea Party. They had all sworn an oath of silence to each other and this was 50 years later and pretty much everyone else was dead and he had been 16 or 17 years old when he participated. So, he wrote the book and it wos remarkable. It was an act ofve vandalismhe e against the Largest Corporation re in the world. So, when you say why would jefferson be horrified by the idea that a corporation was a personso, after the Boston Tea Party jefferson stop talkinga about how to be a good citizens in the United States of the uk and started talking about separation and this led right to 1776th, so in a very real way america was founded by a revolt against Corporate Power. Host thats what you write i ti on equal protection, theotec American Revolution was intact provoked by the misbehavior of a the british corporation. Our nation was founded in an antiCorporate Power fury. Guest its true. Host one of the things i picked up in your book was that. We were not an aristocracy, the white men who formed our nations were not necessarily an erica stuck rich landowners. Ocra guest that was one of the most fascinating things i gotach out of reading jeffersons stuff and digging deep into the history of that era. T that is in what would deep int jefferson do. O there have been a couple of good it histories about thats, publishd since