Moderator mr. Sub i will have plenty of time to talk about it that we need to move the discussion on. Another big race has been self dakotas views of the eb5 Investor Program. We will get to that coming up next. Moderator welcome back to our senate debate. South dakota voters have heard a lot about the state administration of the eb5 immigrant Investor Program during this campaign. Moderator Chuck Grassley has been working to root out corruption sewer question to the candidates is will you work with grassley to improve the program or should the program be eliminated . Lets start with you mr. Howie. Howie they somewhat we have seen in south dakota im hardpressed to say i would support the program. We have seen all of the things that folks are really wary of everything from missing millions to fbi investigations and we dont know yet if governor rounds is a partner of those investigations. Certainly it seems like the 1. 6 million that his company took from the eb5 committee would be worth looking at. I believe it transcends honesty and integrity. The eb5 program itself picks winners and losers and in south dakota south dakota taxpayers were the losers in the winter seems to be friends and cronies of former governor rounds. I think its time that we do Something Different in washington d. C. And thats Something Different is not spend more of the same career politicians that send someone who has got the record of standing up to powerbrokers and even parks officials when they are wrong and frequently they are. Moderator lets go to mr. Pressler in question. Pressler i would favor new immigration bill and i would vote to repeal it. The issue is corruption at the state level and that is why we havent it hasnt been examined and looked at. Based on my experience and ones first year in United States senate if there is a problem governor rounds and the people of south dakota might find themselves of find themselves with a weakened senator for five or six years. That is why its important we shouldve had an should still have a complete statement of fact from governor rounds on this matter. Theres a great deal of corruption in this program. I recently brought the head of the fbi the leading corruption founder in the United States agent goode to south dakota who endorsed me and he said we need to elect honest people with honest reputations to the United States senate. He felt so strongly about the issues in the south Dakota Senate race that he came out here as a volunteer and endorsed me based on the issue of honesty and he said in this race we have to be very careful because there are so many unanswered questions. I would point out that governor rounds of his first in the senate will be and it could be harmful to the people of south dakota. Moderator governor rounds lets go to you. Would you repeal this program or improve this program . Rounds i appreciate senator grassley support. Senator grassley is a friend of mine in his campaign for me. He has been very gracious with his time and ive appreciated that. Ive met with him several times. Senator grassley will look at all federal programs. This is one in which he has been around since 1990. Every federal program out there should be reviewed. Theres nothing different between this one and the rest. Make sure thats something we have i done in south dakota. In south dakota we have taken the facts and on the bus to review them. This one can be reviewed as well and i would support that. In fact as a shared with other people there lots of federal programs out there that need to be reviewed. Take a look at the failed federal policies that are there now. Take a look at obamacare. That has got to be repealed and replaced. Take a look at the failure to allow us to build pipelines including the keystone xl. Look at whats going on right now in western south dakota and eastern south dakota because of a federal program to build the pipeline. If we could go we would have farmers and ranchers who do get there bring to market. Thats an economic boon to south dakota thats not going to happen. Record crowds in south dakota we cant get it to market. We can get paid because of the federal program that they are not taking care of. This president shouldve had that policy overturned a long time ago and it wont happen when harry reid is in charge of United States senate. This president s policies are on the agenda. They are on the ballot in a vote for anyone up here is a vote for the continuation of president obamas failed policy in south dakota. Moderator we will give mr. Weiland a chance in a shaking his head. Weiland i have said from the getgo that this is a bad program for the country and its turned out to be a bad program for south dakota. I would vote to repeal it. One of the first things i would do. This is big money on steroids. This is selling a path to citizenship for half a Million Dollars to wealthy Foreign Investors and anytime you have an intersection of big money and politics that breeds corruption. We have seen a lot of that here in south dakota. There are more questions about eb5 than there are answers and i guess im disturbed about both about mike rounds. He has not been willing to stand up and take any responsibility. He has not been willing to go under oath and answer the questions. He has not been willing to basically tell the truth. When i hear him talking about the jobs that eb5 five created twitches five created which is 30 been debunked by the south dakota press corps like the jobs he talked about the keystone will create. This is nothing more than halftruths trying to convince people to vote for someone that i believe gordon howie is hard to trust. Ive heard him talking about medicare and how its going to be rocked by obamacare which has been debunked by the National Press. I have heard him talk about wanting to close down bosworth air force base because i got support from some progressive group. Ive heard him talk about how he didnt know that there was a deal in southfield going on between mr. Boland and a private group that he set up. Its time for some truth and honesty and ive been talking to people and if thats what they want for their next senator then i think mike needs to come clean tonight. Moderator a quick rebuttal on this issue mr. Howie. What you have to say dead to this discussion . Howie i believe we have seen an exercise in professional d. C. In this whole race and frankly im not going to vote for rick weiland. I dont think thats a surprise to anybody that it aggravates me and most south dakotans when we hear one of the candidates Say Something that he knows is just not true. Governor rounds you know that rick weiland is not going to close Ellsworth Ellsworth air force base. Why do you just tell the truth and while youre at it when you give back over the 1. 5 million at you and your company took from folks of south dakota. Are you ready to do that tonight . Lets come clean and restore some trust in your candidacy. Moderator mr. Pressler what would you improve about the program . Governor rounds would use date tonight why the autopsy is than suppress . The people of the state wants out. We have been talking in circles but lets get to the heart of the matter. He was her secretary of commerce in your Office Every Day for eight years. We have not heard a statement for me as to why you think he committed suicide or was murdered or whatever happened to them. This will be dug up by the press if you were in the senate. He should tell us tonight. You have not been taking responsibility on this issue. Have you been taking responsibility and what do you have to add . Rounds this is the kind of trash talking has been going on for over a year and a half. Its been any window and misinformation and mr. Hou whiskey is a flatout lynn. This is not the way we should handle this in the first place but this is what we had with regard to this particular program. This is trash talking. These folks dont want to talk about the real issues that are important to south dakota such as the failed obama policies. They dont want to talk about it because they dont want to talk about the issues surrounding the keystone xl pipeline and issues surrounding their support for obamacare. What they want to do is take as much time away from the real debate issues here so they dont have to defend the failed policies of barack obama which has the president himself has said are on the ballot this november. A vote for any one of the individuals besides myself is a vote for the failed policies of president barack obama. Moderator quickly on the p5 and we will move quickly on to the other issues. Howie south dakota wants a leader someone whos willing to take credit for the good things that happen on their watch watch but not willing to take responsibility when things go bad. We havent seen that from mike rounds. He is willing to throw everybody under the bus instead of being willing to stand up and say i have made some mistakes and im sorry but lets move on. He talks about the issues. We have several debates and forums with gordon how he and senator pressler that he chose not to show up to. We were talking about the issues of me sitting at home complaining in his paid Television Ad funded by big money. All we want to do is trash talk and talk about eb5. I hope the people of south dakota are listening tonight because you have seen the real mike rounds. He doesnt speak truth to power. Moderator thank you mr. Weiland. According to our legislative poll 60 of south dakota and support building the keystone xl pipeline and 30 are posted. Moderator or question for you is do you think the keystone xl pipeline will benefit south dakota do you support the project . This question goes first to mr. Pressler. Pressler i feel strongly that the Keystone Pipeline should be altered in montana and north dakota and midwestern refineries. To hault oil all the way down to louisiana coast to coast and then ship it back to south dakota in the midwest costs 1 dollar a gallon in terms of your fuel costs. I believe strongly that we need to american pipelines and they should be made into an american pipeline. President obama can alter it or demand it be altered. To go to nd eastward to the refineries in chicago minnesota and wisconsin keeps the oil in the midwest. If we haul it to louisianas governor rounds suggests and all the way back by train and truck it will be about 1 dollar a gallon more on your fuel bill when you are filling up your car. At the threepoint pipeline plan and i resent governor rounds saying that we have not discussed that. We have had all these debates where i presented my plan and he has not attended. We do need to buy plants and north dakota. Its better environmentally to move oil by pipeline than by train or truck that well have to haul it back to louisiana by train and truck under governor rounds plan. I would go to see president obama and say please demand that the xl pipeline be altered so it doesnt go across our precious water supply. We have very little potable Drinking Water and south dakota and i want to protect the obama water reservoir. It would stay in the region and your gas bill will be 1 dollar less in diesel fuel 1. 50 less. Moderator mr. Rounds you obviously support the pipeline. Go ahead. Rounds i do support the Keystone Pipeline and i support it for a couple of reasons. Number one its a shovelready. Private industry knew then that we were going to have literally 1 Million Barrels a day coming out of north dakota. This president has failed to respond to that and even though his own state department has said there will be 42,000 jobs created directly and indirectly and south dakota 3000 jobs. Over 20 million in tax revenue coming in and this is the company that wants to come into our counties and schools and south dakota in western south dakota. This is good for south dakota and also good for america because it allows us to continue creating an Energy Independent country. Keystone xl pipeline brings not just canadian oil down but also 100,000 barrels of north dakota crude. Thats trained we wont have to be taking oil out of north dakota and that makes it available for bringing grain out of south dakota. Some people would say thats just a drop in the bucket but right now we have more and more oil developed and north dakota. During the same time these farmers and ranchers along the rail lines in south dakota are getting less on a per bushel basis than they would otherwise. Heres whats happening. Ill be interchange is a severe filled with trains going to north dakota that are blocking the way so our trains cant get to where they normally go to drop off corn. We have corn sitting on the ground in me sitting on the ground and soybeans sitting on the ground. It will take two weeks to get our grain from south dakota to where they would drop it now takes three weeks which means that producers have to rent those rail cars or an extra week and that extra cost comes directly out of their paycheck. This is an economic catastrophe waiting to happen and we are seeing it happen because this president failed economic policies in this misunderstanding about how to get the oil to market safely is hurting us directly. This is wrong. Moderator we need to move on. Mr. Weiland can respond. Do you support the keystone xl pipeline and do you think he will benefit south dakota . Weiland i dont and it wont. Very easy. Just do your homework. Mike is getting his information from big oil. He has everything to gain we have everything to lose. This is not a we are talking 3500 permanent jobs in 1800 temporary jobs. Thats like macys hiring holiday workers for two weeks. This is not Energy Security for south dakota or the country. This is energy thats being pumped to pipeline down to port arthur texas and is going overseas to be used over there there. It has nothing to do with Energy Security. This really is the new argument coming from big oil because it has nothing to do with freeing up the rail lines. Thats another big oil argument that they are trying to make. They have lost the ones on jobs and Energy Security. They want that to go to the east coast not to port arthur texas. Theyre not interested in putting in the pipeline but big oil is so desperate and have people like mike rounds in their hip pocket unfortunately that they are willing to say anything they can to convince the American People and go been south dakotans the biz and now they are 60 out there that think its a good deal but you have been hearing the propaganda from mike rounds in the Oil Companies for far too long. It would have been easy to rick weiland to rollover latino its at the heart of this . We are talking about a pipeline that if kids build, it could basically wipe out the aquifer. We have a lot of farm families and ranchers who are out of business. They have been on the land for five generations. Is it really worth it for no jobs and no energy and the whole grain thing that mike is making a . Is it worth it to run a pipeline through this country . I dont think so. Moderator we will give mr. Howie a chance to weigh in on this. Howie thank you. I agree with most south dakota set this pipeline is a net gain for south dakota and frankly for america but the larger question is are we going to have the United States senate that will Work Together and develop a comprehensive Energy Program . We have seen that seau by the kind of leadership that demonstrated with Mitch Mcconnell and harry reid. They have both failed us miserably. So yes i think there is a net positive but i just cant stop my time without challenging the governor. He sat here and said it was a flat out lie that his company took 1. 6 million from izzy p5 committee for his company. Im just asking you, do you categorically deny the press reports . Moderator we are talking about the keystone xl pipeline. Anymore and the keystone xl . Howie im waiting for response from the governor. Moderator mr. Pressler lets move on to you for a bottle on the keystone xl pipeline. Rounds you cannot carry north dakota crude in the same pipeline as a persons oil and thats a lie told to us by the Oil Companies. The original keystone plan was to move canadian tar sand oil to louisiana. Now that they are under fire they say we will put north dakota crude in there. You cant. I looked at an engineering report today. That would be impossible to do so our shippers should not be told that we need to american pie lines to run in north dakota, two american pipelines taking up two midwestern refineries and bring it to south dakota. This is absolutely absurd. Moderator mr. Browns a quick rebuttal. Rounds with all due respect to senator pressler ive talked to the individuals building the keystone xl pipeline and they have made it clear that they have reserved 10 of the allowable space on the pipeline to bring north dakota crude which is a light and sweet crude. Its different from the tar sands coming out of canada. Its not intermix. Set up in separate segments to run through the pipeline. One of the things the opponents to the keystone say is they will contribute to global warming. It will reduce the cost to the American Consumer by 6 cents a gallon. I dont think farmers and ranchers will burn more diesel. The other part is this. Those same Petroleum Refineries are actually right now this is a replacement for venezuelan crude. We have become more Energy Independent. We are actually moderator mr. Weiland we will give you a chance to talk. Weiland the 10 demand talking to folks exploring and pulling out the bakken sweet crude . No. Big oil is a conspiracy going on between keystone and mike rounds wanting to build this pipeline. The folks out there want to send it to the east coast. They dont want to senator pipeline to texas and over to china. Its not about jobs. Its not about Energy Security. Certainly not about br