Transcripts For CSPAN2 Key Capitol Hill Hearings 20151014 :

CSPAN2 Key Capitol Hill Hearings October 14, 2015

To the extent you can in the public forum to make sure that they are appropriately addressed and that could be a number of these things. Just to highlight one thing in particular given the nature of how the terrorist threat has evolved, i think it is incumbent upon the federal level to share as much intelligence as we can with state and local Law Enforcement. They do an excellent job at the federal level of detecting investigating and interdicting terrorist threats almost on a weekly if not a dalia basis and ive been constantly impressed with how their methods have evolved to match the threat but it highlights that its also critical that we get information out to state and local Law Enforcement as well so that they are aware of what we are seeing is a. With respect to the potential coming to the United States it is we are trying to do the right thing. We are trying to do the other right thing. Its something that we have learned how to do better screening people. The experience we have we didnt do it as we should have in the first decade with the iraq he rescued she is, so we have to go back and do it and we learned a lot from it so we are more effective as a Law Enforcement National Intelligence security screening folks that says there is no such thing as a no risk enterprise and there are things, there are deficits that we fae. I am not comfortable talking about them. I dont want them to know what we might be that thats how i sum it up. With regards i agree totally with what jim said. We should do the right thing by accepting more but have to be careful in doing it. We have improved the process for vetting the security standpoint and refugees admitted in the country and im committed to making sure that we maintain a process. You mentioned the encryption ways to make sure we are trying to protect against the criminals into the conversations are under way can you tell us a little bit more about that . We are having conversations with the industry because i think in part it focuses on everybodys mind and understood there is a conflict between israel and the safety and security and Public Safety and so the industry is not a monolith is lots there is lots of Different Services and products being provided that all people care about the safety of america and also care about privacy and Civil Liberties and so we are talking to each other about how can we accommodate both of those values again this is about how can we get you in a position to apply with a court order we are not looking for volunteers to sneak in anyway but how can anywhere but how can we get to replace technologically but also really important conversations with our allies around the world to care about the same values and the rule of law and care about the safety and health of the together come up with a framework that would make sense and embrace the rule of law and accomplished and maximize both of the values into the last group was the state and local Law Enforcement and this is a problem that affects state and local Law Enforcement because child abuse cases and Domestic Violence car crash cases, all those things cops and sheriffs have are affected by the work that an encryption has gone from a notch and available from sophisticated people which has always been to a default so cops and sheriffs try to figure out where this child went so we are engaging them because this affects every community in the United States. There is no simple answer. Folks arent questioning as much as they showed that we recognize we care about the same stuff. Its always good to give us a todo list. We can help the legislators. Thank you, senator. By the way the suggestion on the prioritization if we set it up as the number one criteria family members we can do dna testing editor would certainly be a helpful plus for the families to be financially responsible so i think that its setting the criteria for the prioritization and would be helpful. Senator tester. For folks being on the weather and then they go dark if you talk about technology and the like out and working in the private sector when you responded to the Ranking Member. The question i have is do you have adequate resources and this can go by the board because i know that you work on it, too but do you have the resources and the power to be able to technologically stand . The answer depends upon a number of things. The ability to hire we were left with from the impact to the last sequestration. Thats the first thing. The second thing i dont know what we faced is the new normal. That is this summer we were following dozens and dozens of people all over the United States 24 accident and that is only easy on tv so to do that we have the resources from the criminal cases to make sure we cover these folks and we disrupted a lot of those people and our great colleagues in the military have made some progress degrading some of the capabilities and their socalled caliphate so i dont know what we experienced this summer if it will be the new normal and if it is and i will be prudent about coming back and asking. I agree with everything said there are demonstrable cases where we have seen our ability to track individuals of some suspicion is hampered by the means of the communications so i would just ask Cam Technology take the darkness to light . With help from the private sector, yes. Around the board you collaborate while. How is it working was it working with state and local Law Enforcement. Give me the lay of the landscape i dont care which one you want to talk about. I think that its in a very big place they would be the people to check with on this but the joint Terrorism Task force and Fusion Centers account the country connected in ways they werent before and the chiefs and sheriffs understand the new reality has changed and its not a washington focus toward new york focused. They were hearing more completely from all of this at the table but they need to know. The Ranking Member also talked about it takes more than a military to reduce the terrorist threat. Would you agree with that statement . Your role is in reducing the drastic threat. As Congress Wraps up this year and anyone of you can answer this but it would probably be you what with what you prioritize the needs to do, two or three things, for you to be able to do your job . We need to get done to repeal the sequestration so that i can do all the things. Its going to be very difficult to meet all of those priorities if we have to work with the sequestered budget. Thats one, two and three. Has there been any comparison with terrorist actions in this country and other countries in the world . Are we more targeted or are there the same threats around the world . The phenomenon that we have all described in these and other factors that are potentially connecting by consuming their media and seeking to act on their own behalf hour concerning population of those individuals as the director described described and weve all described. Our partners have a much Larger Population of those potential actors. Several of them quite a bit larger than ours, so by the relative comparison on scale i think we are in a sense better off with some of our closest European Partners. Thats by no means makes me feel sanguine about our own efforts at the level of resources director indicated to be able to follow and track those who may turn out to be a concern for metabolism perspective. But our European Partners are more challenged because they bring to the table often considerably less capabilities to Homeland Security equivalent and Homeland Security equivalent and ministry of interior and Domestic Security Service to pull counterterrorism Homeland Security enterprise is considerably less welldeveloped and theyre looking for help to figure that out. Is that because they choose not to fund its . At the rapid emergence of this variant in the french threats. It wouldnt be as surprising or comfortable with the capability to deal with the kind of al qaeda threat and affiliates as they understood. The threat has changed in a pretty dramatic way as we tried to outline a set of challenges some of which are particularly resource intensive for the Law Enforcement and intelligence organizations. This isnt within your purview but is there anybody it seems to me whats going on in the middle east now and it extends far beyond that is crazier than ive ever seen in my lifetime and i dont think that is an imagination. Theres just stuff going on that makes no sense. Is there at least from my perspective it makes no sense. Does it seem to be going upside down fax . You are dealing with the threat on this end. Is there anybody trying to ask questions why they are so effective and i know that its a communication and all that but theres got maybe there doesnt. What is the reason for this stuff is there something going on in the world that we could have some impact on that wanted delegitimize these folks . We could have a whole hearing on this and your right its not directly within the purview of the three of us. My Immediate Reaction to the question is that there needs to be more of a global message and a global theme to counter the message to the muslim world about what the the state supposedly represents and so my judgment is that in order to try to counter what we are seeing, the volatility volatility that we are seeing particularly iraq and syria is a more amplified the global message about how in the muslim world in particular the efforts and energy should be directed towards younger people in a positive constructive way. Thank you all for the jobs you do. Secretary johnson, i agree sequestration was a really stupid idea. But theres ways of solving this and its called the prioritization and i completely agree it is a top priority and we are going to treat it that way. I want to thank you for being here and for your leadership and i want to just start with a question for you secretary johnson in New Hampshire we are facing a Public Health epidemic with opioid and heroin abuse and we have had a situation where we have had 60 increase in drug death. Thank you for reviewing the transcript of the hearing that we had in New Hampshire of this committee which was the head of the Administration Acting and the director from the office of National Drug and control policy. So they testified but also we heard from the police chief of the largest city and the chief said something thats really important and thats right in your wheelhouse which is they were responding to a shooting in manchester and they had officers going to an apartment unknown to us previously and we found it to be a drug house and from that we did an investigation that led from lawrence massachusetts had directly to mexico. So now we know that there is a Mexican Drug Cartel that is fueling heroin to the streets and that is alarming. We know that this is coming over the Mexican Border and its really cheap on the streets right now and obviously this is a very complex problem and there is strong Bipartisan Legislation we are working on across the aisle. But can you tell me what more we need to do to interact more drugs especially heroin coming over from mexico and how are you working with mexican authorities on this issue and also others including the fbi, the dea because this is a Public Health epidemic. First, thank you for contacting the appeal hearing. I found the testimony and remarks and lightening and you put the spotlight. From my perspective interdiction is the key. Introduction of the southern border is the key and what we have done in the department is provide the southern Border Campaign strategy which is a consolidated strategic effort to bring to bear all the resources of the department on the single problem which includes people and narcotics so that isnt just cbp but its also immigration Customs Enforcement and hsi and we are generally moving in the direction of a coordinated strategy which includes the dea. I would like to do the same thing on the northern border and my hope is that at some point the congress will codify the southern Border Campaign strategy into the law and give the Additional Resources we need for the work on this effort obviously interdiction is the key. I wanted to ask you one of the things we know that the people who are addicted lawenforcement telling us rightfully so we cant arrest our way out of this problem but they want to focus on the kingpins. They want to focus on the cartels. We saw from secretary johnson what he just said in the interdiction piece. They are more interdicted in the country. The answer is working close to the dea strategy focused on what he called transnational organized crime so the big syndicates and cartels do just what you said to drive up the cost for them and to walk up lock up them and their lieutenants to make it harder for them to try to get drugs in the interdiction being a separate piece of the strategy we are working hard on every single day but it is an enormous problem because of the shift you talked about. One of the issues the chief raised that we talked about i just want to see if you have any insight on this. They have a model they are working on and i dont if they understood it was a part of the model has a sort of partnership as i understand it. Are we able to bring a similar model together to work with the task force in New Hampshire and i want to iowa to get your thoughts on that kind of a model is. I cant remember the test. It isnt the bureau specialty that we have certain capabilities we can bring to bear so we tend to bring it to bear in the task force which is both. We have the administrator in New Hampshire to work with us on this and committed to see it from the fbi that looking at are there better ways we can use this and make sure we are all working together in a cohesive fashion. Director coming you talked about the estimate of 250 americans have traveled above them if it isnt secretary johnson or your testimony if you traveled or attempted to travel to participate in the conflict and we are worried about the participation and one thing i wanted to ask about is we had an effort where we have been arresting people across this country very aggressively and as i understand we have close to 50 arrests. Its important for the American People to understand this is happening quite frequently the department is trying to aggressively work with Homeland Security to address these individuals on the terms of arrests that are being made. They are part of our strategy to do two things that my travel over to the caliphate. Let them although maybe they will get killed up there or maybe they wont. We certainly dont want them coming back or going to hurt the partners. Spec thats the future we will be talking about the next three to five years. We also want to send a really scary message because what we see in the travelers is they are getting incrementally younger and more females. It is a great way to find a life and so we are trying to send a message that its a nightmare especially for a woman that if you play around with this this he will end up in jail for a long stretch to try to change that behavior. I know my time is up but who are you a resting and what is the background of the individuals tax you said more women. Are you in countering younger people, is this centered in one community or something we are seeing across the country . The is there is no Geographic Center in part because the way the message is going out and there are kids and adults who are seeking meaning in their life so that resonates with those groups. There isnt a particular demographic. Theres the location to age the travelers early on from Something Like 18 to 63 but what we have noticed is that its early that its early so this is in that its Early Services and a high confidence rate it seems to be a drifting younger with more girls. And by girls i mean women under the age of 18 with whom this method of social media is resonating. And my hope is we may see some early signs indicate signs in the data but the message is getting out to families and young people first its a nightmare, dont go there thinking of course, women and girls are being raped. And this is a joy ride you this is a joy ride you will get in serious trouble if we get wind of it and go to jail for a very long stretch and we are doing both of those things are important in driving the numbers down but the time will tell whether we are we are making progress. This is something we are all very concerned about. Appreciate you all being here. Thank you, senator and for your leadership on this issue. The the generals appear only in protecting five to 10 of Illegal Drugs coming in from the southern border really indicating how unsecure the border is. So i want to thank secretary johnson and by the way we were talking about the border metrics metrics to build a threepart language to be done i think next week so hopefully we get that passed as a first step and id happy to we have been working on helping you codify

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