And by the end the good bobby was the dominant personality and the one who ran for president and he would have been what i think wouldve been a great president is not coincidental that barack obama and Hillary Clinton look as their role model to Bobby Kennedy being the one they want to model after. As we and i would like to say one last thing, in introducing me bill jumped i wrote books on strange topics including superman and i would like to present this shirt to build green. I wont make you put it on site, can we give him a wonderful ground of applause if for nothing else, reading the book. Thank you very much. [applause]. He could not have known that thats what every one called me when i was mayor. [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] good evening, everyone. Thank you so much for coming and spending a bit of your evening with us. We have two credible historians and biographers and all around great people. The authors of the new book, and we will talk about Thomas Jefferson and other things, so welcome to all of you and again, thank you for beg with us on this beautiful night. I want to start with the title of the bill, most blessed of the patriarchs, which you talk about in the presence of the recovery from a letter that Thomas Jefferson writes in 1773. Hes in paris and hes playing to go back to monticello in virginia and hes writing a letter to angelica. Hes ready to Angelica Schuyler church in london talking about his plans to quebec to monticello and reads i have my house to build, my field to form and to watch for the happiness of those who labor for mine. They live with me. s other shall be as fortunate in due process of time i show imagine myself as blessed as the most blessed of the patriarch. Annette gordonreed, why do you talk a little bit about it was in that seemingly a knock with a knock with this paragraph. What was it about that language that in intrigued you and made you think about this is the title. The title was somewhat controversial. We had to fight drug quotes because this was a jefferson quote about himself and we did not want people to think we were calling him the most blessed of the blessed. Because on the most blessed of the patriarchs. Peter might be able to get away with that work i could not get away with that. But, we thought it was intriguing because it is so different from the idea of being the apostle of liberty, a republican, a person who saw himself as an avatar of the enlightenments, calling himself something that calls to mind an ancient patriarch, biblical, ancient times in another letter he refers to himself that living at monticello as a patriarch, so he at the same time he views himself as a patriarch, so we thought we would try to unpack that as they say because we have sort of come to a point where there is a set picture of jefferson and a lot of what people are doing and writing about him is writing about what they wish he had done or that they are angry that he did not do and we wanted to try to figure out what did he think he was doing, sort of unimportant thing, we think, to try to cover. You are trying to get inside his head as much as you can. We wanted to draw attention to what seems to be a paradox because the past as is wellknown as a foreign country and our ideas that jefferson studies have been distorted by the need to make him speak to us now and we wont be able to draw anything from jefferson until we can put him in his place and that was our goal. How do you think he interpreted that patriarchy he is talking about . He wasnt embarrassed to use the term and i think thats something we need to explore and that was the point of this. How could he say this and what does it signify and the point of departure for us is that the world he created for himself at monticello is fun foundational to his career in american history. s public life is not disconnected from his private life. If you want to understand jefferson, you have to put those two things together. And seeing himself as a patriarch is accepting this position in the world. This was a person who was born at the top of the hierarchy of virginia. He was white. Hes male and the first son. Hes tall, intelligent, welleducated and he sees himself as having a special role. Its interesting to think of someone whos sort of in the mill of nowhere who decides hes going to be a mover and shaker in the world, that he will sort of make his mark and he actually aims to do that through a force of a personality that is very selfassured, confident, you might say arrogant anyway, but certainly believing he has a special place and patriarch to us is a negative thing for most people, maybe. Its a problematic concept, but it was not problematic to him at all because he thought he was doing this the right way and thats the thing that people forget. Its important keep in mind that jeffersons career is to eradicating aristocracies speaker. We think the 030 words. Jefferson saw himself in operating a new regime and did not reject this fundamental notion of the centrality of the family and the household for the future of the republic and thats what he is celebrating is the role he is playing in his household. Does that notion of patriarchy extend beyond the household, beyond monticello, his family and his workers to how he approached the presidency he did not think of himself as a patriarch. That was washington. He may have thought he was really the father of the country , the real father of the country, but i dont think he he did not see himself as a patriarch of the people, of americans, i mean, the people were supposed to be the rulers, but i think his understanding of family and how people should relate to one another was central and came from his conception of what family was like. He conceived family was supposed be like that at monticello. Remember the Nuclear Family and most americans lived in Nuclear Families and some of you probably still do, but jefferson thought it was natural and that was a keyword for him. The family comes together naturally and he imagines the republic is the most natural form of government, in selfgovernment, chu to the nature of him being and therefore the United States will be the kind of model to the world. Lets talk about the structure of the brook a bit because you approach it in an interesting way. You are not focused on his political life in his time of president. Give chapters on music and privacy and how vital privacy was to him. Talk a bit about how to you you came to that approach and why you approach it that way . We wanted to try to show what we thought was important to shaping jeffersons life and he was born in chadwell and then one thing happened and then the other thing happened in another thing happened. The idea was to have things that were important to him and sorted key to his personality. We start out with patriarchy and unpack that and how he became a patriarch. The second section is traveler it talks about the influence of france and what happens to him when you leave monticello and goes out into the world and the last one is enthusiast and thats when we talk about music and visitors and things that are not sort of influences that shaped him, but not your typical not that not way and i do is to get inside his head in a fashion and not sort of just a laundry list of details. If we successfully integrate his private life into his public life, then we can show how the performances he orchestrated his house then appeals to him and in a way that microcosm of how he imagines the world should be, civil conversation, music in which everyone knows that part in the harmonized. Theres a political meaning to all of this that is profoundly basic to his political philosophy. Jefferson is you can never know who he is and we think thats stupid, foolish. He has been called a sphinx. Well, jefferson himself made a big deal about his privacy. That privacy is foundational to how he understands his public life. Take this simple idea, in a republic citizens are equal and they have to consent to the laws that the majority decides on and that consent has to be truly voluntary and come from the selfdetermination of individuals, so how do you protect individuals from insidious influences . How do you take for instance the common person out of the mob . How do you avoid the usual problems or path ologies of democracy because democracy was a dirty word. Put a bunch of people together and they will get drunk and if they have a governments and they control the government, what would they do . You would pass laws and that means you would redistribute property, so how do you lift people up is a big challenge and crucial to the lifting people up is a new conception of consenting self and jeffersons project was a self fashioning project to make himself someone. He wants to exemplify how unenlightened republican citizen can become wellinformed and become a part of a new kind of public life based on informed consent. He sees himself as an example of all this, there is an arrogance to this, this idea that he is the National Teacher and an example to people. Thats what monticello is supposed to be. If you have been there you go into the indian hall in the foray and there is all kinds of paintings and sculptures and everything and the idea is that these are things he has brought back with him from france to show to people and he will show people how to be in bottled in civilized behavior, so its an interesting idea to say i am an example of something that i want other people to see and this is how you model yourself in a way to be educational to other people. Speaking of the consenting self and obviously a whole category of people what is she going to ask . Obviously trying to rent the seminal book and spent a lot of time looking into the family, the extended family of Thomas Jefferson, did you come to a different understanding of how he viewed slavery cracks you said 70 times there was the fatal state as he described it. Spend time talking about how when he goes to france he said in france slavery became solely domesticated in his mind. What is that . Before he went to france jefferson had a reputation as a being anti slavery. Of the first indication of this is when he is in his 20s any copies in his commonplace book price of a poem that talks about the evils of the slave trade and as someone yanked from his native land and brought across the ocean to labor for someone else and he as a young legislator wanted to introduce legislation of emancipation plans, which was nowhere in virginia and he wrote about this and hes he had a reputation as being anti slavery. When he goes to france, and he sees france society. You leave your country and you think there are bad things about your country and you go someplace else and you think, at least we are not like that. That was his attitude. He is in france during the prerevolutionary period and people are starving. Theres unrest, riots, all kinds of things and he said we have problems in america, but this place have a lots of problems and its just on the road now to the able to solve some of those problems because he was in favor of the french revolution. It gave him a sense that we have time to solve our problems as well and the other thing that happens is hes in france with jane and Sally Hemmings who are his wifes half siblings and he begins to treat them there in a way he pays them wages and he is starting a practice that he continues when he comes back home. Whenever he is in a city and hes mixing enslaved labor and free labor he pays everyone. Hes living there with these people who have an opportunity to be free because every person who partitions or freedom in france was granted, so like a pro forma thing, which jane and Sally Hemmings couldve done and while hes there hes living with what will become the face of slavery for him in a way. Jefferson and he continues this when he comes home, he sees himself as a slave owner through his relationship with the people who are the closest him, but thats unrealistic because they are not the people down the mountain. They are not the bulk of this is his wifes family may have a completely different relationship to him than the others. Sally hemmings brothers lots of times he did not know where they were, i mean, they had their own time and went out and kept money and he would call them back when he needed them for something, so thats a very different relationship that he had with them from over 700 people that he owned during his lifetime. This was a tiny group of people pulled out, so he sees himself as a slave owner through those relationships and we think france heightened that for him and they do come back with him. They dont to stay and slavery becomes domesticated. Hes thinking about them as members of his household and how he treats people in his household, but that as i said is very different. A sense of reciprocity than. They are not symmetrical, they are not equal, but like family members he has created what he thinks is a kind of family that extends and i think thats using the right word when she says this is how he sees or wants to see slavery and the other crucial thing to keep in mind is that jefferson earns urgency of doing something about slavery varies with the geopolitical situation. In the American Revolution enslaved people could run the british lines enjoying the counterrevolution later on in the revolution and what becomes the possibility of uprising in the hemisphere could spread to the continent during the war of 1812. The british come again and its another opportunity and moments like this jefferson says, my fellow republicans, we have to do something about this. I know slavery is a unjust institution. We need to act and the solution, of course, is emancipation. He never backs off from that and then we have to send them to another country, expatriate and is his. Whenever, he thinks about maybe in the trans mississippi, but we might need that territory. Now, not there, california. There is a black republic. Its not recognized as such, but maybe after. He goes through all of these possibilities, but the important thing is that when the piece comes the urgency goes. When the piece comes than he sees himself and i think this word is crucial. As a master he is a steward and has a responsibility just as the father in the family has responsibility and he has a responsibility to look after the happiness of those who labor for mind to borrow another phrase from that letter that we started off with in our title and then we have a kind of domestication that annette is talking about and that is we are trying to create a sense within this household of good treatment, he is wanting to improve things and rationalize things. There are ways, in other words, in which he can practice the enlightenment at home and make things better while we wait for his fellow virginians to see the lights to use that again and then come to the collective decision that we have to do something to and this unjust as. Because he does not believe that there is what he would call a republican solution to the problem. That is to say white people of virginia were not going to vote to do away with slavery. Thats not going to happen during his lifetime. He prayed that it would, but he realized that would not happen at the time and would and by the time it was a crisis he realized it could and put in much the way it ended and that is with a war and that is not something he would have contemplated. Jefferson and haiti is fascinating because when he first hears about it a writes a a letter to his daughter hes like the negroes have taken over the island and we he was sort of like is this the age of revolution and then all of a sudden he hears that lots of white people are being killed and then the tone changes. Its not its one thing for white people to kill for their freedom in france because he supported the french resolution by longer than people think he should have, but for the black republic at first its okay, but then when they started killing then its not okay. Of course, that reinforces the idea of Regional National difference and i think one of the key terms we play is the idea of race, which doesnt have a fixed meaning at this period. Its equivalent to nations, people, race in the modern sense ethnicity and if enslaved africans and African Americans are a distinct people, nation, race then how could they possibly live with the people who had enslaved them . But there would be no peace and thats the thing that really gives people a problem because we congratulate ourselves and think, well, we are in better and enlightened and living together in peace and harmony. Yeah, right. Oh, come on. We get along. Im happy. You are happy. Youre happy. We are kind of getting along we are getting along, yeah, that he doesnt have the confidence. How could blacks love a country that has treated them so poorly . This is him saying i know what i would do and he is transferring and basically saying thats the downside of what nation is a great big family. How long did it take for the laws to change on interracial marriage in america, i mean, we are talking about basic stuff for jefferson. What i want my daughter to marry black people, this is insane. That idea of the naturalness of the races mixing. Except its interesting we talk about this in the book that its a very very its the attitude of the conqueror. White men have access to the bodies of white women, black women, native american women, but not the other way around and so really for jefferson in the state of virginia when hes talking about mixing, hes talking about the horror of the mixing of black men having access to white women. Thats the problem. He didnt have any problem the other way around because he knows that in slavery, slavery is a laboratory for that kind of thing. In his own household. His fatherinlaw. People in virginia in general. Its clear that this is something that was a big part of life during that time. Think about the implications of a abolishing artificial hierarchies among white people that is aristocracy, monarchy, all white people are created equal, but you can do that, but then you draw attention to the additions that you consider natural, not artificial. To have a king, what does a king do . Its just descended from a french bastard. There is nothing legitimate about monarchy, so you abolish all those things and we agree on that and celebrate the first great modern republic the notion that he goes to france and arrives in 1784 and he promptly flees the quarters because he spoke very little french. He studied french and did lots of things, but his Language Skills were not there. He knew how to read french and speaking a language is different i mean, difficult. Its one thing to study thing a line which, but then actually speaking the language and their normal way of speaking and pulling it all together, he read french well and he could understand people, but he had