Political orientations happened to have come to a conclusion that is similar, but whether they colluded to do it or execute it, i dont see the evidence of that. I believe that the way in our democracy that you respond to points of view that you disagree with is not to try to shut them down, but rather to provide alternatives and america the owner manual, i think, gives a lot of examples of where people have done that. As an example, here in florida, there had been a county which had had an antidiscrimination ordinance that did not include gays and lesbians and other transgender individuals and the Lbgt Community came together with the Business Community and instead of this being exclusively a human rights issue, it became a combination of human rights plus the adverse effect that failure to provide protection to that important segment of the population was meaning in terms of lost jobs, and lost Economic Growth for hillsboro county. That coalition, which came together from different perspectives, but with the same objective, was an i believe to get the county to reconsider and adopt not only an expanded human rights ordinance, but also a Registry Program that preceded the gay marriage constitutional steps that have been taken by the federal court. So, the fact that a people see something that they dont like is not a signal of being indifferent or leaving the field, its a signal to suit up, find other people who share your opinion for whatever reason and go to battle effectively. Host and lets hear from irene, who is in pine meadow, connecticut. Irene, youre on with senator bob graham. Caller hi, senator. Actually its bristol, connecticut and my question is, do you see in the future any changes in the Electoral College because our a couple of our president s have not been our president s, theyve been elected by the Electoral College, the popular vote had won. Do you see any changes in that . Is there a possibility . Pragmatically, no. The Electoral College is of of considerable benefit to smaller states. Thats why it was adopted back in 1787. It was part of the great compromise that led to our constitution. One of the contending issues in a number of areas, including representation in the congress, was between the big states who said we have most of the people and the small states who said, if the system is tilted towards the big states, we will be disadvantaged. So, theyre all kind of compromises. This is one of them. But i today i think its unlikely that states, which are small in population, and therefore, have a disproportionate influence on the selection of the president , are going to give that up and it would require three fourths of the states to vote for a constitutional amendment for them to do so. I dont think its likely to happen. Host and our last call for senator graham comes from kathleen in rolling bay, washington. Kathleen, youre on book tv. Caller thank you, govern governor or senator graham. Im sorry. Yes, im worried, many people are worried about that President Trump will pull out of the paris accords. Im really involved with many Environmental Issues and id like to know how what you think about this and how we can assume that President Trump and his staff will look at this issue, considering that President Trump does not believe in climate change. Guest well, i certainly believe in climate change. Its hard for anybody who lives in south florida not to believe in it. Were seeing on a consistent basis the effects of climate change. We have particularly associated with high tide, periods of time when the sea water is coming up through the storm pipes rather than going than the water, surface water going into and down into the pipes. Weve seen a consistent pattern that every year is warmer than the preceding year, which was warmer than the year before that. I think its something that we need to believe with. I really believe if you were a conservative which says lets dont take unnecessary chances, that the consequences of Global Warming being a nonreality, which i think are very minimal, is that we have a more Sustainable Energy system. We have less pollutants in the air. The consequences of it being true and not dealing with it is disastrous. So, i believe a person who abides by true conservative principles would say, lets deal with this problem because the consequences of failure today to deal with it are so enormous. I hope that arguments like that might be persuasive. I think donald trump is fundamentally a smart person. He understood what it was going to be necessary for him to get elected president , but now, lets see and give him a chance to function when the decisions are not theoretical or rhetorical as in a campaign, but they are real life and will have an effect on the 315 million americans for whom the president is responsible. Host here is the book america, the Owners Manual you can fight city hall and win senator bob graham, and coauthor chris hand. Senator, as always, we appreciate your taking calls on cspan. Guest thank you very much for the opportunity. Host coming up in a minute, Washington Post reporter Wesley Lowery. Here is his book they cant kill us all about his reporting in ferguson and baltimore and well be taking calls with him as well. After that, youre going to hear from jane alexander, author and actress. Youre going to hear from James Carville who is here at the Miami Book Fair earlier this week, scientist james glick, and authority stephen johnson, best seller, hell also be taking your calls, dave berry, senator Bernie Sanders today as well. Thats all coming up and you can find it all on our website, the entire schedule at booktv. Org. We will be right back with author Wesley Lowery. 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This is the 33rd year that the festival has been held. And held on the campus of Miamidade College in North Downtown miami. We are now joined on our book tv set by Wesley Lowery, the author of this book they cant kill us all, Ferguson Baltimore and a new era in americas Racial Justice movement. Mr. Lowery, where did did you get the title for this book . The title comes from a sign from a vigil after antonio martin. After the grand jury decision become two years ago now to not charge the officer in ferguson. One of the reasons we stuck with it, we thought it captured the ethos and feeling of so many of the people who had taken to the streets the last few years. Theres been a shooting and seemed like its happening for a certain period, but were going to rush to the streets because theres power in numbers. Host do we have any idea who left the sign . We dont. Thats one of the demonstrators one of the nights, there was a few dozen properties, it wasnt one of the massive nights, but i remember seeing that and making a note in my notebook, it captured a lot of the feeling that id been seeing and hearing from demonstrators. Host what was your feeling in ferguson . I got to ferguson, two days after Michael Brown had been killed and i with the post coverage congress. A very different beat. And i happened to be free, a back packed. And i covered a senate race in michigan and we were having a conversation around the office, hey you see whats going on in missouri, whats our Coverage Plan . I initially offered hey, i can call some of the congressional representatives and call for a federal investigation, get a d. C. Ish scoop. An editor said, can you go, get on a plane . I should sure, why not. Got on the plane and went to ferguson and landed on the 11th for what i thought was going to be a fewday assignment. I thought tomorrows paper, maybe get a feature story for the weekend and be back for sunday football that weekend at home. Instead ended up staying in ferguson two, almost three months. Almost fulltime, we had a ferguson bureau there. And as i was there, on the second or third day i was there, myself and another reporter were actually arrested during the coverage of the protest. And we were the first two of what would end up being dozens of reporters at some point in time were taken into custody by police there. There was day after day of demonstrations. There were mass arrests. People being arrested at times indescriminately and at times with cause and we were caught up in that and a whirlwind and i became one of the figures of the story. Host Wesley Lowery is our guest. Youve heard the beginning of the story. If youd like to call in and talk with him about some issues surrounding ferguson, the black lives Matter Movement, et cetera, and some of the racial issues that the country has faced in the last couple of years. We want to hear from you. 202 is the area code, 7488200 if you live in the eastern time zone, 8201 for those of you in the pacific time zone. Is this a black and white issues were facing or black and blue issue . The. Guest in some ways both. We know this is a country that as president obama would describe it was an original sin. We built racial ininequity into the fabric of our nations, weve spent hundreds of those, we didnt spend the first years doing anything about it, happy with the way we had it. But making up for that. Because of that theres a historic relationship between black communities and law enforcement, that dates back to the days when Police Officers were slave catchers. Theres always been historic relationship. Its interesting, the former Chicago Police superintendent gave a speech recently where he talks about so many of the policies, whether it be during jim crowe, whether it be people who were leading the lynch mobs or enforcing housing or School Segregation historically have been Police Officers. The police have for all of American History been the face of physical oppression for black and brown americans. Sometimes we talk about how can we rebuild the relationship or restore when in reality we need to be talking about creating a new relationship because theres never been a Good Relationship between black americans and the police. Host Wesley Lowery, cleveland, ferguson, baltimore, minneapolis, new york, charleston. We had a black president during that time. Is that coincidental or is there a connection . I think that cuts in two directions. First, you know, i do think its coincidental weve seen unrest and Police Shootings every year of our modern history. This was going on during the bush years, during the clinton years. We might not have been talking about it or covered it as a media in the same way, but these issues always existed, but i do think that the presidency of barack obama activated a level of activism and political anxiety that perhaps had not existed prior to him and i think that worked in two different ways. First, in the book i try to pro vile many of the young activists who go to the forefront and become the faces of the protest movement. Many of them had their entry into politics through the election of barack obama. Voted in 2008 for him or 2012 for him, 20somethings, many for the first time. Many canvassed to are him. And i think very often the turn of phrase we needed to have a black president to understand the limitations of a black presidency, right . Barack obama was elected on this mandate to change washington as we knew it, to bring us together. As the speech he talks were not a black america, a white america, a hispanic america, in the Election Night speech, he said were not a collection of blue states and red states, but were a United States. He was incapable of bridging this gap. Our politics are more divided if not more so. So many voters, so many people who projected onto president obama the hope for a different country for a different world, for a politics where outcomes and experiences would not be defined by race, then became remarkably frustrated when that prophesy was not coming true. That Trayvon Martin was still dead and we were having conversations about race and ethnicity in colleges and cultures and seeing diversity issues in our popular culture, and ill never forget an activist looking at clair mccaskill, the senator from missouri during a town hall and she was encouraging the protests, encouraging activism, but she said, you know what you guys need to do register to vote and turn out, what we often hear how people should politically engage and i remember an activist saying, i voted for barack obama twice and Michael Brown is still dead. That the president could not erase the history. Host they cant kill us all is the name of the book. Wesley lowery is our guest, a reporter with the Washington Post and lets take some calls and hear from ryan in sedona, arizona. Hi, ryan. Caller hi, how are you doing . Ive go the a few comments to make. Thank you for writing your book and standing up for us people, but im a White American and if i was black in america, id probably be dead. Ive already been denied health care for a preexisting condition. Ive already been locked up in prison for something thats now legal. I was fired from my job because of the economy. Im trying to be the best american i can possibly be and now im suffering from other Health Conditions that ive also been poorly cared for in this free country that we live in. If we did go back 40, 50 years ago, you know, 60 years, and white women treated poorly with black women, indian, black americans. Host tell you what, ryan, i think weve got your point. Wesley lowery, is there a larger picture that we can draw from your book and tie it into ryans experience. Guest of course, ryan, i appreciate the callin and sorry for what sound like a difficult set of circumstances. I think that we all as americans can empathize with each other, one of the things weve seen ove