Or thousands of these request that same old this person and they cannot in good faith for coated must release them. And yet we still have more money going to i. C. E. , of officers whose unions are tied and that communities are risk. The simple question. So what happens if the person is reckless driving as the officer approaches to find out the individual is illegally in the country . What happens . That the town hall people say turn them over to the feds for deportation Security Officer say they will not even Pay Attention unless there is multiple offenses. That is absolutely the case. If he is doing his duty. Thats correct. But to protect those local citizens they will not come get them. Correct. How would you comment on this situation . Have you given any thought to that . I have. First, the code of federal regulation is very clear and says was the local Law Enforcement officer receives a dictator from i. C. E. They shall maintain custody for no more than 48 hours the is but there is the expectation to maintain custody. Congress has given i. C. E. The authority to issue the detainers and the expectation is they should be complied with and more than 90 percent of the sheriffs and the country want to comply even the police chief in the selfdescribed sanctuary jurisdictions have testified they comply fully with all i. C. E. Detainers better issued so it isnt a question to be illegal or unconstitutional. They are an accepted lawful instrument for i. C. E. To use for those to pursue with deportation so the problem is the Obama Administration has introduced confusion by changing decades of the interpretation of the regulations that they have for congress now all of a sudden said this is just a request would be for there always considered obligatory of course, a sheriff would always honor a detailed request from the u. S. Marshals, where u. S. Military police or the appropriation office if one of those agencies issued a request there would not think twice but just the fact is Immigration Enforcement that makes it controversial. The administrations policy was done without any bagel foundation over the objections over there very senior career people at that agency. To the extent there is any confusion in my opinion they have instigated that confusion with the administration with the goal to the goal action and it could have been solved with a sanctuary bill that you wrote and introduced. That is the answer. 287g officers have of unity that could be offered to any Law Enforcement officer receives the detainer from ice. That is something we need to solve. I. C. E. Issues that before theyre released that are they willing to turn the person over . Oftentimes they do provide the detail her before they are due to be released. Eight can solve part of problem. But the biggest problem is after that timeline over 90 percent of the time there is no i. C. E. Officer to collect the individual or customs our Border Patrol and the sheriff can no longer hold the individual they must be released. Thank you. Dr. Of a bike tuesday on the tradeoff that you mentioned the relationship with enforcement and Public Safety one of the main differences with the Priority Enforcement Program as of predecessor is that pep in the mitt certain forms of cooperation between dhs and local Law Enforcement agencies. How does the pep program work with this . How does it enhance Public Safety . Thank you. The program relies on the exact same information sharing and to identify potentially removable noncitizens who are arrested. It tries to respond to two different problems that secure communities a majority of the people deported never committed a crime or a minor offenses that was the first career four years of the program that is was generated such a broad backlash and not just San Francisco or new york there are hundreds of cities and towns around the country atlanta, a wichita kansas kansas, led the maintained that pep does you all may take custody of those to come through the criminalJustice System if they have committed a serious crime. Instead of someone who was pulled over because that is what generated the backlash. It allows communities to negotiate because Many Police Chiefs that represent all large city police and many other organizations have argued to have those mandates to compromise the efforts of those departments that have strong relationships with their communities to do policing so they cannot report crimes or cooperate so many a jurisdictions have found there rather have more limited cooperation. Is there any data about Public Safety or a certain approach . We dont have data on pep it is only in existence six months but there are some big studies of the security to secure committee as it was rolled out it had no discernible impact it is always ben Immigration Enforcement program. I just met century cities forces and on and the whole point is to build trust with the committee and on a macro level what effect has that had is any data regarding that . Record i have not seen that data. Some of my colleagues have argued that i. C. E. Removals we have recently season seed is supporting fewer people but what accounts for these removal numbers and what does it say of the overall state of enforcement . If you look at the overall numbers there remain at record high levels 1 2 to eight dash four the year 2014 there were four more removals the administration has removed over 400,000 every year since 2010 and every year the administration there has been more removals then in the year of Prior Administration but now we see a sharp increase suborder removal of border removal they have been shifted to respond to the Child Migration surge with the big increase coming from Central America almost all of those in the formal removal proceedings so also there are resources to combat the smugglers better at the heart of the flows but looking at the numbers to evaluate security unauthorized immigrants are down by 1 million it is a sustained drop the first time we have seen a drop after 40 years of increases now a seven your drop and border applicants also had a sustained drop looking at traditional and authorized immigrants for those apprehended at the border but then the numbers continue to drop. Increase still see pure apprehensions. I am out of time may ask your indulgence . I think it is a short answer. Senator cruz cited 12 million deportations during the Clinton Administration. You just said there were more deportations in each of the gears of the Obama Administration than previously. My math says it does not compute. That is pretty good man math. I did not go to m. I. T. But i was good at math. 12 million over eight years even i can understand that. I think senator cruz was talking about border returns with the your years we had huge volumes of border apprehension because the security is not as good as it is now an 95 or more were turned around so with the Clinton Administration there probably were 12 million maybe not that high but there were Border Apprehensions not quite that high a probably a little off but the number of removals of formal return to deportations over the course of the full eight years were probably between 400,000. So the numbers he was doing apples and oranges. Yes. Formal removal of verses turned away at the border. Yes. Prior to the Bush Administration and the highest removal ever was and below 100,000. When he brought that up i knew something was not right. Thank you for your indulgence and all of you for your service. What did happen with the number began to plummet as part of their removal it was a misrepresentation to hide behind the weakness that was occurring. But they ask for enough money but yet in 2014 the only removed 315,000 and 2015 only 235,000 and only 63 were criminal. Them guessing they are counting border removal numbers can you briefly comment . First of on the issue of the Chilling Effect there are some excellent studies done rather radical operation of agencies compromises Community Policing and it is clear that isnt supported by the data or the surveys of the Actual Experience so there is a lot of reformation available but with deportation they were talking about anyone deported by i. C. E. Or Border Patrol. He was counting apples and oranges against the apples and oranges count hundred the Obama Administration i believe it is entirely consistent with the office of immigration statistics has reported in the annual your book. I think it is pretty accurate but the Obama Administration did differently but they started to take Border Patrol cases that formerly was counted as a return to process as a removal so that would bring up artificially the number city or not counting all deportations. If mexicans cross the border on lawfully then they can be stopped at the border and immediately sent back . The accelerated way is through expedited removal. But when people come from Central America, they can claim asylum, they cannot immediately be sent back to mexico so theyre in the united states. And what i hear is they turn themselves to the officers to say take care of that and what happens frequently . Yes. From what i hear is they turn themselves in and Border Patrol is required under current interpretation to turn the families and children over to Refugee Resettlement to process as unaccompanied minor of the familys offer the opportunity to apply for asylum and then to appear at a Court Hearing in the future so it is a generous for multiprocessor they could get that to expedited removal like any other crops are but the choice is made to allow them to have a hearing rather than use expedited removal. Defect. Normally the asylum claim comes later. Mike understanding is when we have the huge flow increase which you are sending a message to Central America you have to turn yourself in. They claim they were running advertisements in Central America but they didnt change the policy. Now were having another surge as the top officers stated you normally see a decline at this time of the year but it is still increasing. So what is your opinion with regard to the necessity to have a clear immigration policy . Before somebody leaves their home to put themselves at risk tollgate need to know there will be apprehended and they will be deported . Or we could have a plummeting of the attempt. What theyre telling the Border Patrol is they came because they knew they would be allowed to stay so we need to change that incentive to change the policy they get Text Messages on facebook with pictures of the notice to appear to send back to friends and family in their home country so people are coming because they know they are allowed to stay and unless it changes they will keep coming. They dont Pay Attention to the law on the books they are worried about what will happen in under the current circumstances they will be turned over to Law Enforcement for a secure place for family members or others. Are you familiar with the 287g . I am. I remember when that got started you were to the Bush Administration and they were a little slow they get nervous so they have to have a big Training Program they can arrest the mayor of the town but not somebody who was a legal in the country but anyway. And the bill was passed and they added 287g contracts which is essentially taught the local Law Enforcement what they could do and how to cooperate in identify criminals. It has declined by more than half certainly it should have been nationwide in almost every jurisdiction. It is staggering because that number will go even lower. There are two principal problems in particular for the sheriffs to participate in 287g. It is an exorbitant cost to the jail operations because they have to convert the facilities and as you know, that is an enormous financial burden on a few dipodies was that originally the situation . Get was not. Alabama was one of the first dates to be approved. That cost can be staggering if you look at the border counties texas to california with the exception of san diego county, the cost to be compliant with bankrupt that sheriff. Talking about new facilities, a close, beds, a Security Camera systems, of the training alone for the deputy to understand the programs requires 14 days away from the office to be compliant in the i. C. E. Training procedures it is a staggering cost in the 287g program there are very limited funds to reimburse when they have to pay their own expense. Absolutely. was sitting here looking up that discussion my head almost exploded given directly to the sheriff will put a right into the requirements we would be glad to help the federal government. Fabulous. Now if there is an incentive if you have a bad person you want him removed from the country but i thought the federal government could spend more money without that was awfully long. Is 14 business days. Five weeks. A think thats right. It is staggering. And learn how to handle yourself. In eight i was in arizona one of the most remote counties in the country and the highest transit point for illegal immigration. 16 sheriffs deputies if they participated in the 287g behalf to be out of the office to meet the training requirements that cost is borne by the county not i. C. E. They may tie it one dash paid lodging or the air fare but the deputies are not doing their job but now our training so the share fast to pay overtime to cover. So if it is a financial backbreaking exercise. We met last week and this is an issue we have to fix and there is a solution there. We will work with you for whatever it takes but 113 million is returned and reprogrammed because they didnt spend it when sheriffs and counties are going broke, send us the money directly dont give it to the governor sent it to west. I think that is good advice. With 2 million criminal aliens in the country, it seems to me the administration utilized the expanded 287g to identify any of those and now they commit to other crimes on a regular basis is that a concern . Most definitely. About half of those are at large and that is an estimate that i. C. E. Came up with when the program got rolling. It isnt so much finding criminal aliens because they get the alert when the fingerprint is taken if they match but the problem is also that many of those illegal aliens are not known yet because as they crossed the border illegally they were not apprehended so there is nothing to match and in some places i was told by a supervisor a few years ago that rand their program said 50 percent of criminal aliens in the jail were not identified through fingerprints. Requires an interview. Some more is required in just matching fingerprints that is why have a problem with this century cities blocking access because now nobody has any idea of who these people are or where they are from or if they are removable. If they are released than they have the ability to go about their criminal activity and i. C. E. Officials will tell you 50 percent of criminal aliens released for one reason or another will go on to real friend. Thank you it is an important issue but were deliberately undermining with the Immigration Law as it encourages people to come to america of lawfully to make up mockery of those two patients the way to, denying the American People to select people by lot to improve if they serve the National Interest and it is very bad and the president has no right the legislation he wanted did not pass to carry over in this fashion and i think it demonstrated today the failure of our system in that one area promised would be pursued with criminal aliens. 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