To discuss funding to combat the disease and his role advocating for those living with hiv aids. Here is some of the highlights for this weekend. Friday at 8 p. M. Eastern, a history tour looking at the civil war. Saturday, the communicators visits a technology fair. And on sunday pat buchanan. And surveillance Transparency Act at 10 p. M. On afterwards the weekly standings. And on sunday morning we tour casper, wyoming. And then the negro leagues monar monarch. And an interview with herbert hoover. Let us know what you think about what you see. Email or call us. Join the conversation. Like us on facebook or follow us on twitter. Next a discussion on the conflict in ukraine. It was part of this years 2014 freedom fest conference in las vegas. It is 45 minutes. You are probably wondering what i have done wrong to be dragged before congress 75 times to testify. Never been indicted. It is a great pleasure to be here with you today, ladies and gentlemen. Our topic today is hot spots around the world. I gave a talk on ukraine last year and that was before it heated up. Mark thought it would be a good idea to look around the world and see what happens. We have no better panelist than the group today. We have gentlemen who have immense experience working in american areas of the world and i think you will enjoy what they have to say. To my far, far right is david keene and david is now the opinion editor of the Washington Times and oversees all of the editorials and Washington Times is in the process of expanding. They are doing a National Digital edition. I suggest that you all subscribe because that makes it easy for you to get my weekly column also, plus all of the others. It is great newspaper and it is growing unlike most other newspapers in the world. David is a good part of this change. You may remember david for many years was chairman of the american conservative union. And also president of the National Rifle association i know a lot of you would be opposed to that. But he has done great things all his life and been in and out of government and had positions guiding president s. And to the far right is herman pirchner. He has been the longterm president of American Foreign policy council and they do great work looking at all of the hot spots around the world and trying to anticipate what is going to happen long before it does. You could sort of say they are different than the Obama Administration buzz because they look ahead. And herman doesnt have to pick up the newspaper surprised on what happens is because he and his staff have been there, done a great job anticipating it. He was out on the ukrainerussia difficulties not too long ago and they turned out a great publication and i suggest those of you with a few extra dollars may want to join the American Foreign policy council. I expect all of you here are interested in Foreign Policy. It is low oversight and investigations overhead operation but they do great work on Foreign Policy. And doug bandow is to my right. I have known him from the Reagan Administration and he is a senior fellow at the Cato Institute and he is one of the worlds most prolific authors dealing with Foreign Policyment we will do a general section rather than us specializing because we all have experience in various parts of the world and a lot overlaps. As we were speaking earlier, one characteristic is the world has gotten smaller and that is true because the plane ride from tehran to north korea is short. So the question is is that the middle east, asia or wherever . We will start off with david keene because he is my boss sometimes. I would like to begin. I have one my line before that. David is going to set the stage of the great global struggle that is going on among the Political Forces and then we will get into more specifics. David . Thank you, richard. I would like to begin with great selfpromotion to suggest you need to subscribe to the Washington Times because bandow writes as well. The pages are open to pirchner as well. So it seems to be a nobrainer for the audience. Actually, it is, i think, important that we are meeting on these subjects today because the American People are confused as to what the stance of the United States ought to be in terms of Foreign Policy and our place in the world. They have gone through a period in which our Foreign Policy is dominated by folks that think perhaps the world could be remade in the american image without much relationship or und understanding of different cultures and the like. One can argue in the middle east, we are struggling with the shadow of the great war and celebrating hundred years of its beginning. I guess celebration is the wrong word. I remember kernel house, the advisor to Woodrow Wilson, said he had a busy day because they spent that morning redrew redrawing the map of the world but finished by noon and had a great lunch. That is the attitude that dominates some folks in the Foreign Policy area today. And we pay the cost with blood and money. On the other hand, those in reaction to that are saying that the United States cannot be involved at all. And that the best policy for the United States is the policy we pursued in the early days of the republic which was to trade and stay away. Even then they dealt with pirates when they interfered for our perceived rights to trade in other parts of the world. So there was never complete separation from trading. The question the American People are struggling with is what are the interest of the United States that ought to be protected. That knows to some extent to the question of whether you are, for example in the middle east as we did in an earlier age with the communist period, are we facing existential threats or threats regardless . Or is it another threat . Do we have an obligation to export democracy to the world and try to remake the world in our way. If we should do that would it work . Can we afford to withdraw from the world and ignore the problems developing . I like to point out that of modern president s the two president s who lost fewer people than any other in foreign wars were Ronald Reagan and dwight eisenhower. Both known as people you could only push so far. So the bases of the reagan policy was if you were Strong Enough you dont have to go to war. People know what the limits are and dont go far. You may remember reagans comments and he said it is about time we teach the people there is new management over here. The problem the American People face is what do we do nowthe ma do we proceed. As always in the face of Foreign Policy questions and defense policy questions that is linked to specific problems, their sources and their meaning for us. And i think that is why these topics, these hot spots if you will, are so important to discuss today. Thank you very much. I will stay up here. Would you . Herman, picked up with david left off. Thanks for your comments, dave. I want to pick up on one question you raise and that was the question of islamism versus communism. I have to say in many ways the problem of islamist is going to be more difficult than the problem of communism. Communism promise utopia and when it wasnt happening and it was scene by the sons and daughters running the countries this idea of creating paradise on earth went away and then the fear went and china eevolved an the soviet union collapse. Imagi imagi imagi imagine laden going to allah. The idea that you may go to paradise by killing innocents is a problem of terrorist and other problems associated with islamicism exist. You are dealing a multitheological war and it is war we have little way. How you can be involved in theo logical discussions about islam if you are not a muslim. American Foreign Policy council publi publi publius a work on islamic movements worldwide. The hard cover is 1150 pages but there is an online edition. In the course of looking at the great depth of this islamic problem. You understand what a long standing struggle it is going to be to deal with islamist and islamism in the many forms that exist worldwide. I want to switch to ukraine briefly. That is the title of the panel. Ukraine is playing out in the following fashion. You soon will have two cities in the eastern part of ukraine that will be surrounded by forces loyal to the ukrainian government. In the cities will be a couple thousands rebels that are largely taking orders from moscow and russian intelligence. Maybe there will be a negotiated settlement where they leave and go into the russia. Maybe there will be a fight. If there is a fight, the militants from prorussian forces are likely to try to make it as bloody as possible by positioning themselves in hospitals, old age homes and so forth. They will do that with the hope that things become so disruptive that putin will move in russian forces. If he choses to do that, the ukraine army has no capability of standing with them. They believe probably be in kiev in 23 days. That will be the foreshadowing of tense relationships between russia and the west. It will be the beginning of what will be a long guerilla war in ukraine. Ukraine has history of that. Anticommunist forces fought many years against soviet forces. And there are tens of thousands of ukrainians with arms that will harass the russian army if it sits there. When you get to this point the consequences are unpredictable. And i have probably eaten up my opening time. Well get back to that more. First doug is going to talk about the middle east aspect or whatever he wants. I like that idea; whatever i want. We live in a world that was created by the bosnia terrorist that triggered world war one and many of the countries we are talking about were created by the conflict. The are a number of hot spots but for the most part they dont directly threaten the United States. We came out the world war ii with opponents of Nuclear Weapons and trained School Children to get under dex desks. When Collin Powell commented he was running out of enemies but neither came close to stalin in terms of the horror they can impose. We are looking at a world of chronic conflicts as opposed to accute and they will be us in a number of ways. If you look around the world, there is a world full of messes out there. We see the israelipalestinian Peace Process for the 400th time. You look at egypt and you get to chee chose between a dictatorship or a muslim brotherhood. We look at syria which is driven by a civil war where there is a government no one likes and the other side includes folks that one around crucifying christians and the people they dont like and shooting School Children if they are thought to be blasphemy. Iraq we see is falling apart. And one of the main forces against the government we supported are the opposition in syria. So it is this odd situation of opposing the government in syria that is fighting the bad guy but in favor of the government in iraq that is fighting the same bad guys assuming our friends in washington get this straight which is a lot of competence. There is a negotiating process going on and a little hope it will turn out positive. I am not holding by breath and no one wants iran to have Nuclear Weapons but launching attacks on them should be avoided. The North Koreans are busy and now mad because the new movie the interviewer is out there in which two actors want to assa i assassinate their president. China has sharp elbows in the south china see. The vietnamese want us around now. Getting to ukraine and the cold war in a sense is being recreated. It is a difficult situation. But the reality is no one in europe want to go to war with ukraine. Which means the russians have the capability to do what they want and i expected putin is bound. The ukrainians dont like it if they have subjegated and putin grabbed the only area are russian population. You bring in 60 or more ukrainians that is not going to be stable. And moldova with same situation. The good news is the United States can standback and assess each carefully. There is no reason we have to jump into all of them or some of them. It will vary how we want to get involved. The world today gives us more options than what was termed as the evil empire. Luckily there is no evil empire today. We stand alone and have options we didnt have during the cold war. To pick up on all of that, one of our colleagues at the Cato Institute was a man who was putins economic advisor. Putin was moving toward denat n denationalization and than reversed the course and renationalized the Oil Companies and andre and putin seized ceased getting along and now he is here at the Cato Institute and much happier. But he returned from ukraine recently, he does go back and forth to russia some, too. So far he has been okay. We do worry about him. But his view is that putin wants to recreate the russian empire. Not the ussr but the russian empire. And many of you have probably forgotten the russian empire what year did it actually have the greatest land mass . Anybody here remember . 1867. Then they sold alaska to us. And then it shrunk after that. It dominated Eastern Europe and what we look at as the sans and everything today. Andres view is putin is going to nibble around the edges like in georgia, crimea and the main part of ukraine now. I would like to get the views from the fellow panelist on this view. David . I think that is correct. You cannot fault a leader of a country for acting in his countrys selfinterest. You can be upset because it may clash with your interest but you cannot fault them for doing that really. If he is outmaneuvering you he maybe better at it than you but isnt necessarily evil. I think, and this is without excusing anything he did, but what happened is two things. Both sides look at from the eyes of the old cold war ignoring the fact countries dont have permanent friends but permanent interest. Secondly, we are in the world in which policymakers dont know a lot about history. We spent millions in ukraine promoting the idea that ukraine should be moving toward nato. Ignoring the fact putin wont find giving up the warm water port. In crimea the fact they want buffered states because they fear invasion from the west. We will just turn this into one of our countries. Not realizing the russians wants to keep ukraine as part of their orbit about a hundred times more than we wanted to get it. And as a result we added to the problem. Earlier, and this always goes to one of the reasons for the breakdown of the russian u. S. Approach if you will will. You remember the baltic crisis in which the United States decided that selfdetermination required an independent kosovo which was serbia. The rushes who have always considered the southern slavic people to be their protector. They were protectors of the slavics. And they were outraged we would allow a part of a nation state that wasnt a nation to exercise selfdetermination and breakoff. If you listen to the russians they have saying we have the right to do what you did in the baltics because we have russians living there and you said they should not live along slavs. From a legal and historical standpoint this whole thing is muddled in part because of putins ambitions whether they are regarded as legitimate or not and in part because we helped muddle things up and encouraged or at least forced him to act on those ambitions in ukraine. Am i wrong about that, herman . I agree with what you said in the baltics. They were discredited when nato was used offensively in the balt baltics because their argument against the hard liners was no need to fear the west. Nato is strictly a defensive organization. But lets go back to ukraine and other parts of the former soviet union putin has designed on. In 2011, russia passed the expansion of the con federation and that was the law used to annex crimea. It sin line with the thinking of the nationalist about the creation of a greater slavic state. That idea was put forth many years ago and others have picked it up. You have a man now who was formally russias ambassador to nato and now the deputy Prime Minister. He is russias nationalist number one. We wrote 15 years ago no matter how unrealistic it is today we must come out like germany after 40 years. Russia has had longterm designs on the territoryies. Ukrainians remember the 2 Million People killed by the force famine the in the 1930s. More than that. And the empty homes were filled by russians that came from other parts of russia. If you go as far in russia as to the Pacific Island you will find many people with ukrainian names. This is not a global competition. He cares about border security. You do it again to us in ukraine, and theres an elected leader there who is proour side. You overthrow him, organize a street revolution, you want them to sign up with you, talk about nato. I think he is ambitious and opportunistic and also prudent. So while perhaps he might like to have a russia that looks like russia in 1860 or something, my guess is he realizes he wont get it. One problem on ukraine its two countries. So, the question of what he wants, how much hell take, a lot of opportunistic. You get crimea and now you play the game ask see what comes out. And you cause ukraine trouble. The new leadership recogn