Line for others. Hello, thanks for calling. Ms. Miller from columbus, georgia. Go ahead, you are on. Caller okay. Good morning cspan, thank you cspan. Mr. Woodhouse i have a question. We hear a lot about immigration and my question to you is do yo have any idea how many Illegal Immigrants are in the state of North Carolina that did not come across the border from mexico and i will be waiting for your answer . Guest i dont, i dont andt. I think immigration is a complicated issue that we have seen that is not only roiling our state and our country but its roiling the world. One reason britain left the eu because they couldnt control their own borders. America has got to have people of goodwill on all sides comee together to try to solve this immigration question. We have Illegal Immigrants in North Carolina just like any other state. We have a lot of people that are offering great value to ourty wo society that are undocumented. This is a very complicated issue and there is no one party or one political side thats ever going to fit this issue. Its going to take everybody coming together and little bit a by little bit solving along the way to try to develop some. Host one more call for our guests and this will be from craig who lives in wilmington, North Carolina. Craig, hello there. How are you . Caller all right. My question is why did northinir carolina get rid of the scholarship. They no longer offer teacher fellows scholarships. Guest our governor North Carolina has offered the largest teaching pay raises of any governor america. We have done a lot of things to try to get our education compensation system up. We have offered Liability Protections that the democrats didnt offer them. Thereve also been some hard choices that have to be made when democratic governor left republicans with a three billion dollar budget deficit. A lot of difficulties had to be figured out. Lot off i think republicans have done a pretty good job on paying our debt that, getting the economy going. And doing it without raising taxes. Host a couple of are viewers on twitter pointed this out and this is a statement he made with a made with a brother in our network in december couple of years ago. The brothers are made famous by given airtime one to see how family relit relations are going. Guest i think it will be better for everybody when this onection is over. Host Dallas Woodhouse is with the North Carolina party serving as their executive director as we take a look at the battleground state of North Carolina. Mr. Woodhouse, thanks for your time. Guest thank you. The russians hacked into both campaigns in both 2012 and 2008. The difference this time is the release of the data. Before the tech emails, donor List Campaign strategy upon it research, this was the third time they have done it. Whats different now is they use it for political use. More from our discussion on the state of North Carolina, the focus of todays washington journal. The segment we talked with the political journals from that state. Its about 45 minutes. Host joining us now from North Carolina taking a look at that state has the battleground state, jason finan the copublisher of the blog talking about politics and also served as a democratic strategist and also a longtime observer of democratic politics. Mr. Pearce good morning. Thanks for joining us on cspan. Called guest thank you for having me. Host polling showing Hillary Clinton up by a couple of points. Will that remain or other factors to consider . Guest we have a couple of weeks. Got a c this has been a pretty in predictable election so who knows what might happen but i think shes in very good shape. North carolina is a really close day. We have been closely followed for the last two cycles. Same. Nobody is going to win a blowout here in any way. Most of the polls show her up. Her debate performance particularly helped a lot. There seemed to be a lot of democrats turning out for early voting. Think democrats feel pretty good about her chances. Lina. Host you wrote this about her on a recent blogpost. I will read a little bit about it. He said if she could introduce americans to likeable character with a plan for the future she will do more than win. She will get her presence presidency off to good start. You may talk about that first portion at likeable admirable character part . Guest i think a lot ofofwhy people have a plastic image of her. Shes been in politics for so long and builtup so many scars. She has been attacked so much, she and her husband so i dont think people have gotten a real sense of who she is. I think thats a great thing about the debates. I think the debates made a huge difference in how people see her insert a major difference in ho. People saw donald trump. That is all worked for a favor. Host the fact that both of these candidates have unfavorable numbers that are high, what do you think about her current favorable numbers and you think that will change as far as now until election day . W and guest i dont think at this point she can do much about the available numbers. This race is going to be decided by undecided voters and by the turnout. Democratic turnout, republican turnout. The democrats as a set are very enthused and very organized. I think in the end that could be what makes the difference in this race. I think shes done a great job overcoming what negatives she has and the positive she has shown in this election. Ho just one example just to stay in their facetoface toetotoe with donald trump for four and a half hours prove she has the stamina and the temperament and the toughness to be president. Host i know you dont speak for the Democratic Partyoe theyre in the state of the hilly Printing Campaign but to have a sense of her on the ground get out the vote operation and how elaborate it is and how effective it is . Guest ive got a lot of friends who were involved in campaigns and know a lot more about that aspect of modern politics than i do. They tell me it is a very impressive operation which rivals the president obama had in 2008. What i hear about that as is good and on the other side it does not sound like the republicans are wellorganized. They have a pretty bad between disconnect the train state republicans and the trumppublicn campaign and its level of organization or disorganization. Host North Carolina politics, the battleground state our focus on the final sigmas program call and ask questions questions of our guest 202 7488000 for North Carolina resident 2027 for a 2001 for all others. Mr. Pearce talked about undecideds. Whatever questions they are asking and what do you think Hillary Clinton has to appeal to for those questions they may be asked . Guest what does she have to appeal to . I have a hard time understanding undecided voters at this point in the campaign. You wonder what it is they dont know and they cant make up their mind about. You have to guess theres a lack of enthusiasm for either candidate. I think what Hillary Clinton did in the debate and particularly in the last debate was made it. Clear the contrast in temperament, personality, stamina if you will, judgment, experience, ideas. Every possible measure you could hold in a president , i think shed be trump that and trump helped turn off a lot. It may be all she needs to do for the next two weeks is go somewhere and hide and let donald trump keep talking. Host as far as democratic turnout, we saw some some earlier number saying 2. 7 million democrats in thee se state. How many of those detained will turnout come election day . Guest i cant guess about members. What i do know is the first two or three days of early voting appeared to be heavily democratic. An awful lot of women were voting. Long lines here and wait county which is the biggest voting county in the state and orders statewide and president ial elections. The question is what is the republican turnout going to be because i dont sense they have the same enthusiasm for their counties that democrats have for there is. Host as far as the seat itself there were some recent stories about how its changing in itsts demographics. Do you sense that there is a change among people moving into the states, students in the state and does that benefit Hillary Clinton and longrun . Guest its not going to benefit her this time. Her we are still a closely divided state. We are fastgrowing state. North carolina is a big state, one of the roughly 10 biggest dates. People moving in her all the time. Its a great place to be. I dont think it makes a big difference now. Thatroad wrote the North Carolina is where the jobs are which is primarily metropolitan areas in a tent to attract people with college degrees, the blue believe in education and opportunities for more people. I think over the long run thats going to be a good thing for democrats but we are split right down the middle this year just like we were in 2008 and 2012 in every election in between. Host lets hear from john. He lives in chapel hill and he is on with our guest, jason finan. John, good morning. Go ahead. Caller good morning gary and good morning america. Thanks for having me on. I just want to make a couple of comments. The kuikuro. North carolina but had to leave over 50 years ago because i couldnt get a job here. In returning in 2012 just want to say that north carolinians are still fighting a civil war and it is a state that governor curry and senator. Burr and others have just tried to take us back to where the state was. So, i have party voted. I voted for hillary. My whole family voted for hillary because we think thats the only chance the state has incoming into the 21st century so i hope that those people who have not voted will get out and vote for hillary. Vote for moving the state forward or else we are just going to be a longterm state that people look down on that has poor education, that hasn, poor medical care, because governor curry and the republicans have decided that they just dont want to help poor people and they want to raise taxes on poor people. That is what has been going on here. Host john, thanks. Hanks. Guest could i just say it meant . I agree with everything he said and i think he captured a lot of what is driving the democratic enthusiasm that i talked about. Its not just about the president ial race. North carolina has a long history of being a progressive state. I worked for governor jim hunt for an awful long time and we were known when he was governor is one of the fastestgrowing states and one of the state doing the most for education. We have teacher pay up to the National Average. We were attracting all kinds of new Industries Even though we were losing jobs in Traditional Industries like manufacturing and tobacco. So the status come a long way and i think theres a strong sense now of a lot of north carolinians that we have slipped back since the republicans tookk over especially since governor mccrory came in four years ago. He came in with a reputation as a moderate, an effective governor or a main mayor of, charlotte for a long time. Uldn he just couldnt translate that to the governors office. His problems are just recent. They really go back his session in 2013. But it was clear the legislature was driving things which made him look very weak, something is never over, and the legislature was driving the state and a the radical white wing direction. A lot of things the caller talked about, voter suppression, cuts in education, herding Industries Like the Film Industry like we talked about earlier. This is a chance to get it back. Its a remarkable thing when you consider it. We are sitting here talking about an incumbent republican governor and an incumbent republican senator in the Southern State who is in real trouble for reelection. Thats the market into some major feeling in North Carolina like the caller expressed. Host florida, on our line for others. Diein, good morning. Caller good morning. Mr. Pearce i would like to ask you to make a statement that i believe would be possible to give amnesty for all those peope people who have been involved in past abortion providing activities are in a kind of abortions per curry meant. And given that, would you still be in favor of the murder of blacks for the purpose of furthering the education of adults . Guest i have a hard timeme following your logic there. I think she was talking about abortion and i think one of Hillary Clintons best moments c in the debate in her political life was when she took a very clear and sound position in the last debate about this. This is not something the government ought to be messing with. These are difficult situations. I this is a decision by menotti make for themselves and i understand people have awfully strong feelings about this. I think she has a reasonable position. Host you call the state of progressive state and to jessica we talked about the religioustw makeup of the state. Their tugofwar between those ideas especially when it comes to topics like abortion wax. Guest there is a tugofwar and for that matter there has been a war throughoute our political history. Ever since the end of world warr ii europe into ribbons flowing through North Carolina politics. Theres a progressive stream terry sanford, jim hunt strain who believes in education large in the cities and that theies universities and liberal churches. There is a conservative strain like the jesse helms represented for a long time that comes out of small towns in rural areas and the more conservative. We have been fighting these battles forever all of my life. We used to just fight it out in the democratic primary between conservatives and progressives. Now its become the same fight, modernized updated to todays issues between democraticissues parties that are progressive in the Republican Party which is conservative. Beyond that in North Carolina the Republican Party has gone pretty far right to an extent that most north carolinians who like that down the middle mainstream approach are very in touch with. Host 202 7488000 correct or carolina residents 2027488 001 for all of theirs. Jason finan is our guest. He copublishes a blog second of politics. We heard about his experience in the state. Mr. Pearce tell us about this blog and its unique nature. Guest at makes it unique is its a democrat and republicans. My blogging partner used to work for jesse helms. In fact he and i met when we were negotiating the rules of the hud debates in a night 1984. We start a blog in 2005 and we give credit to the fellow who worked for howard dean. Matthew was one of the pioneers campaigning. Carter and i actually have a nonpolitical client that we were working on together and we met matthew. At the end of that time matthew said you guys up to do a blog in carter said what is it log . Matthew explained it to us and set us up and we went after it. We try to do more than just repeat partisan talking points. Carter and i have done that to death. We beat each other up for 40 years. Now we have sort of enjoy trying to get people a behind the curtain look at how politics works. How a Campaign Works and why politicians and campaigns do the things they do and sometimes so make any sense. Host frank in tulsa oklahoma on our line for others, frank good morning. Caller good morning. And then interesting debate or talk or whatever. Here f i was fighting the communists according to my knowledge and trying to keep them from coming in our front door. A couple of years later they passed the abortion law where they could slaughter of the unborn and to this point we have slaughtered about 50 million just here in the United States. If you are christian i have heard you throw some christian terminology and heard you talk about churches and stuff. You know thats forbidden by god and god set up an institution of marriage back in the first book of the bible, the first couple of chapters. You can. About what marriage is and there are no men with men and womenri with women getting married. I dont see any addendum that god has installed in the scriptures since. Ip guest im probably the least qualified to argue scripture with anybody but i do know this. People read the bible and read Different Things into it and take Different Things out of their religion. The things that jesus taught in terms of treating others as we would have them treat us would be a pretty good way for us to work in this country. Host let me turn to the topic of the h. B. 2 law that was passed. We up to previous caller what he thought the longterm might be especially in this election cycle. What is your take . Guest well its been a disaster for republicans. It its a classic political miscalculation. They created this issue. They call the special session of the legislature to pass it. Nobody saw the bill before with pass. Mccoy signed it the very same night and then people realizing what was then and we started having real economic damage. Companies decided not to come here. A lot of companies that were looking at North Carolina to locate here pulled away. North carolinas pride as well as its economy when we start losing the ncaa and we started losing acc basketball tournamens basketball was born in North Carolina and it belongs in North Carolina. We have to keep it here. Li i think that vantage is really really damage is really severe and you see a lot of legislative candidates trying to back away from it. This whole thing about it was charlottes fault, what charlotte was doing was passing an ordinance against discrimination and theres no other way to say it. Sort of the last