Such amendments as may have been adopted. Any member may demand a separate vote on the house and any amendment accommodated by the committee to the bill in the nature of a substitute in part a or amendment number 1 in part c. The rule provides each such amendment in part b and part c of the report may be offered only by a member designated in the report, shall be considered as read, shall be debatable for the time specified in the report, equally dividing control by the proponent. The rule provides one motion to recommit with or without instruction. Following the rule directs the clerk to add the text of 219 as housed be the house as a new matter at the end of hr152. Conform the title of hr152 to conform the text of hr219 as passed by the house, assign appropriate designations and provisions for short titles within. I thank the gentlemen. Any discussion or amendment the rule . Yes. Gentlemen d. I have a question, mr. Chairman, just for clarification, am i understand the loomis amendment that requires a waiver because of rule 21, which is legislating under the propses bill . Thank you very much. Id like too yield if i can to the gentleman from oklahoma. The gentleman is correct. It does provide for a waiver of prohibit base on legislating on appropriations measure for one amendment beyond the base text, the mulvaney amendment. This is consistent with past practice where we will provide a waiver for an offsetting amendment to a bill with an emergency designation that violates clause 2. In 2009 we provided a waiver to the offsetting amendment. More than 40 other amendments debated by democrats and run rudses required waivers because they changed policy as the commit reys bipartisan tradition we did not provide waivers for those amendments. I appreciate the explanation, this is a new precedent. I hope theres some flexibility when the democrats have amendments that may require similar waivers, that we be given the same courtesy. Mr. Chairman, i have an amendment, one amendment, that is i move the committee make an order and give the necessary waivers for mr. Tierneys amendment. That i cosponsored, number 48, which increases the emergency funding for fishery disaster i assistance and removes amounts not for sandy relief. Further discussion, although in favor, aye. Aye. I would ask for the clerk to report. Miss fox. No. Mr. Bishop. No. Mr. Coll . No mr. Woodal . No. Mr. Webster, mr. Webster, no. Jayce rob,. Host foreclosure mr. Burgess, no. Ms. Slatter. Aye. Mr. Become governing. Aye. Mr. Hastings. Aye. Mr. Poll. Aye. Mr. Chairman . Chairman no. For yeas, nines. The amendment is not agreed to. The gentleman is wreck wreck d recognized. Mr. Chairman i make the move that number 73 would provide 125 million toward the emergency watershed protection program. Is there further discussion . Vote now be on the amendment say aye. Aye. No. No. Amendment is not agreed to. Mr. Chair, i question a we ask the clerk to ask for a roll call. Miss fix. No. Mr. Bishop, no. Mr. Kole . Mr. Wood annual no. Mr. Knew gent. No. Mr. Webster . No. Miss hoytman, no. Mr. Burgess. No. Miss fodder, aye. Mr. Mcgovern. Aye. Mr. Haysings. Aye. Mr. Poleis. Aye, mr. Came . Injury know. Clerk will report, four yeas, nine nays. The amendment is not agreed to. We now move to the motions made be the advice chairman of the committee. Toness favor say aye. Aye. Those opposed, no. The amendment passes, and we would go ahead and recognize mr. Coll will be happening this rule on the floor and the gentlewoman would be mrs. Slater who would be handling that. I do not expect any further business that the rules committee will be making this week, and will stay in touch as you and i do about further any further time we would meet, and show to committee is now in recess. Adjourned. [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] the House Rules Committee is done for the day. After the debate on hurricane sack direlief funding, setting guidelines for tomorrows house floor debate on the measure. The house will start on the bill at noon eastern on cspan. [inaudible conversations] s. Coming up tonight on cspan2, the Community Indicators features a discussion on technology and innovation. The Los Angeles Mayor, Antonio Villaraigosa talks about his push for comprehensive Immigration Reform, and later, Arizona Governor jan brewer delivers her state of the state address. Theres a new ebook on the market called how the technology can fix the budget and establish obamas legacy. The coauthors are both fcc officials. Reed hundt in the clinton administration, and blair levin spent time there as the National Broadband plan. Gentlemen, thanks for being here. Mr. Hundt. Your books subtitle. How can technology fix the budget and help us over the socalled fiscal cliff. Guest that is the subtitle and its a bit of a mouthful. The fundamental idea here is if you spend time in Silicon Valley, spend time in detroit where the Automobile Industry is being rebuilt. You spend time outside the beltway you see that america has the potential to generate abundance for its own citizens and for the world. You spend time only inside the beltway it looks like a zero sum game, looks like lose lose and who is going to lose the most is the gist of the negotiations. So what we tried to say in the book, what are the lessons of the Technology Sector, that comes from the optimism in the Technology Sector and how they can give us ideas we can pass into law here in washington, dc. Host you talk about two different platforms in your book. What are those platforms . Guest the basic idea is how do we drive abundance by looking at areas where that can absorb private capital, where private capital wants to go into, where government has appropriate levers and can drive productivity throughout the entire economy, the two were focused on are what we call the Power Platform, the energy grid needs to be redone, and the knowledge platform. We dont we need to do some work on the networks, which is to say broadband, but its really about how do we apply it . How do we deliver band width that can change education, change health care, change all government services, we get faster, cheaper, better, the same phenomenon on our phones and in our networks, we want to see in public goods and Services Like education and health care. Host mr. Levin, how important is speed when it comes to improving our economy . Guest depends on a variety of different uses. For example in medicine, were now moving to a place where we can have wireless sensors improve medicine and thats great. But business uses and other thing things, cameras, geneomic medicine, theres faster networks, president clinton was was dell and he said we cant expect our businesses to compete internationally if they only have access the speed of korea, and he is absolutely right. Reed hundt, energy is included in your book on technology. Why . Guest to quote the smashing pumpkins, we all know what were after, we just have to get there faster. We all know we need a clean energy economy, where its really, really cheap to buy the energy and where the energy that youre buying is not polluting the atmosphere. Not causing a greenhouse gasses that are driving up the temperature and producing droughts and is not producing a number of other healthrelated effects from air pollution. We all know this. We know what were after. How were going to get there . The way we discovered in the book is, its pretty simple. Could you have the federal government buy all the new things that are necessary and then give them away . Not practical. Not going to happen. We dont have that kind of capability in the federal government to add the deficit. So you have to open the door to private investment to do this job of rebuilding the Power Platform in the United States. Host and the Technology Aspect of that is . Guest Technology Aspect is manifold. And Price Performance improves every 1824 mocks. In the last year we have gotten into the innovation cycle in batteries so by the end of 2020 electric vehicles will actually be price competitive with grassdriven cars. The problem with these things is that we cant wait. We cant wait because of the environmental effects and we cant wait because we need the economy to grow quickly right now. So the book lays out a whole bunch of different ideas for bringing private investment much more quickly into the job of rebuilding the power grid. Host on this show, a series on the International Power plant, and he doesnt necessarily agree that the internet is completely green or is terribly green. What is your thought . Guest he is right about that. People say that data centers in the United States account for 2 of all electricity consumption. If it isnt exactly that number it certainly is the biggest single new element of demand in the whole electricity area. And where do they put data centers . Putting them in finland or canada or on the shores of major rivers because they want the atmosphere to be really cold and they want the electricity to be really, really cheap. Theyre trying to deal with the engineering demands of dataer ins. These are stop gap solutions. We need a Clean Energy Platform that includes, as the president often say, all of the above, lots more natural gas, lots and lots more solar, more wind, better transmission systems. Heres the beauty. It all will require a trillion dollars of private investment and because of Technological Breakthroughs and new financing ideas the electricity at the other end of the change will actually be lower priced than electricity today. Guest when we started the National Broadband time, we start width the question, what are some key problems that could be potholes in the information highway . What are some things to worry about . One of the interesting things i didnt anticipate was a number of companies that really wanted to deliver great connectivity and great application. Theyre worried about the problem, about the amount of power it takes to run these data centers. Turn out that was beyond the scope of the broadband plan, but its a concern of everybody. So we need to do something things like what rita is working on over the years, to enable us, but the other point is, it is green to deliver goods and Services Using band width and chips instead of atoms. So theres a lot of thingness the economy where we know this where is the economy is going. We want to do it faster, but we also want to do it in a sustainable way, and the United States should want to lead in how we do that. Mr. Levin in the politics of abundance, there are several instances where you say the president could act on his own without congressional approval. What are some of those instances . Guest well, we lay out, for example, in the area of education, we i think the secretary of education has done great job of laying the foundation and now its a question of how to accelerate it. Certain things where the president works with the department of education could, for example, create a Data Exchange system which allows to us digitize and personalize education, very similar kind of thing in healthcare. So all kinds of Different Things the president using executive authority as in fact they have laid the foundation for already, could act to really accelerate that Movement Toward the digital platform. Host where does Congress Come in. In. Guest in a number of places. We lay out four traits we thing congress should take part in. Ill mention one related to broadband. There is a hightech ceo that suggested theyre a trillion dollars of savings if the government moves all its business and services to the digital platform. We propose a baseclosing Like Commission where are you get the ceos in the room, make them look at those problems and have very specific solutions, and then basically get congress an up or down vote on what to do. Theres didnt in order to do that you have to be able to use the savings in the up years to buy new equipment which is more efficient and things like that. We need to make sure that everyone in the country is online. If were going to move all the services to the digital platform, which we want to do we cant leave anybody behind. So thats one where Congressional Authority is necessary. But there are some others. Guest some other examples. Lets take Corporate Tax. It seems likely there will be a year long debate about Corporate Taxation here in washington in 2013. Most businesses are global in some respect. Not all but most big businesses for sure. If youre a big business and you look over to champion youll over to china, youll see promises to have 15 Corporate Income tax rate. You come the United States, you have no predictable, dont know what it is, and the current rate is much, much higher than that. We need reforms that say to businesses, we want you to invest here in the United States. While were having this big debate about Corporate Tax reform, lets include in it specific reforms for the Energy Sector that in fact are designed to attract a maximum amount of new investment to build a Clean Energy Platform lets have it by a subpart of the Corporate Tax reform debate. Another example . The carbon tax. The carbon tax is a broadbased tax that does not in fact have to have a big impact on consumers. It could be placed on electric utilities, something they avoid by moving to clean energy so they dont have to pay it. But if we had the carbon tax it would help close the deficit and would be a stimulus the utilities to move to clean argue. Thats the second idea. The third, many states now are following the lead of connecticut, the first state to have the state green bank that couples with the private sector in finances for solar or electric utility grid rebuilds or Energy Efficiency members. Lets have the federal government loan money to state green banks at the extraordinarily low rate. These are a handful of different ways to provide the financing support and the tax policy support for massive private investment. Host are we going achieve some of the goals in the politics of abundance, what the role of the sec. The sec can take the lead on a handful of topics and should provide policy ideas that congress and the executive branch will need to work out together. An example would be of what the fcc can do it can reform the erate, the program we were involved in, back in the 90s, so that the things that School Districts buy under the erate are closer in description to modern technology and are really not just the old things that arent as efficient as the modern technologies permit. Host in your book, you spend quite a bit of time comparing today to the clintongore era, and what occurred in the 90s, what worked. Guest what worked was that there was this massive private investment starting really in the middle of the decade, that, to a surprising degree, drove plus surpluses in the federal budget, and george will pointed out it was really the internet that drove that wonderful period where we werent arguing about falling off a fiscal cliff. Rather we are were arguing about what to do with the surplus. Guest i think that lesson is a lesson you can see at other pointness history. Wherever you have Economic Growth, its often due to the fact theres a technological change going on. So we had railroads, we had steel, we had cars. What was great about the 90s, in part because i think some of the policies we adopted were really there was a wonderful consensus in the federal government about the deregulation of the Telecommunications Sector that worked extremely well. There was an underring thats was a sector that could help drive growth, and the lessons is about how we unleash private investment. Get rid of the tried may have made sense 20 for years ago but dont make sense now, and how do we deliver public goods and services bet for all americans, and that was what real asking that question of each other is what led us to write this book. Host given what you just said, and what is your take on what the itu is doing right now . When it come 0s to the worldwide internet . Guest the itu just finished their work. I cant say ive had an opportunity to eexaminer examine it in detail or have a chance to talk to a lot of friend who were over there. I certainly like a lot of other americans, am very worried about countries that believe that what we need to do is regulate the internet more or have countries simply suppressing both the expressions of speech as well as the economics of what the internet can be. There are certain countries that want to protect Certain Industries and have ideas in mind to do that. So, i would put myself as kind of nervous about that. I think we ought to be moving in the direction which is more about openness and Economic Growth and the Free Expression of ideas. Host reed hundt, when it comes to the internet and politics of abundance, your book, theres a real role for government. Is that fair to say. Guest absolutely. Lets talk about the power grid for a second. Theres one thing we dont know how to change. You can have a Wireless Industry in communications but when you t