But the average boilermaker we now can say with some authority from the surveys we were just recently taken is much more likely to have a job, to have a goodpaying job, to have a job they are fulfilled in and to be thriving in multiple domains of wellbeing than those who went to other schools. Its our job to push all those numbers further up for the generations ahead. Well leave it there. Mitch daniels, Purdue University president and former governor of indiana. Thanks for being with us this morning. Enjoyed it, thank you. On the next washington journal, diane okay lee of the National Institute on Retirement Security discusses how prepared americans are to potentially outlive their retirement savings. After that, Mickey Mcintyre of compassion and choices looks at laws in place across the u. S. This comes in light of a 29yearolds decision to end her life following a diagnosis of terminal brain cancer. Plus your phone calls, Facebook Comments and tweets. 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Let us know what you think about the programs youre watching. Call us at 2026263400 or send us a tweet. Join the cspan conversation, like us on facebook and follow us on twitter. Next a debate on the safety of gmos. Joul hear from consumer advocate Jeffrey Smith and biotech entrepreneur Gregory Stock from the vail symposium in midmarch. This is two hours. Our guest on my far left is Jeffrey Smith. Hes an International Best selling author and film maker. Hes the executive director of the institute for Response Technology and a leading consumer advocate promoting nongmo choices. His books include seeds of deception, which is the world east best seller on gmos. For those who are interested, jeff will be speaking this saturday at noon at true nature healing arts. Im sure you can find that on the internet. Gregory stock, who is to my immediate left, is a biotech entrepreneur, best selling author and public communicator. Hes a leading authority on the broad impacts of advanced technologies in the Life Sciences. He founded the program on medicine, technology and society at ucla school of medicine in 1997 and served as its director for ten years. While leading a broad effort to explore technologies posed to impact humanitys future and reshape medical science. Dr. Stock has catalyzed debate about the social and Public Policy implications of molecular genetic. One of you please raise your hand when dr. Stock is here and ask what that means. And about how to most effecti effectively translate progress. Among his books, redesigning humans our genetic future. With that, let me turn this over first to Jeffrey Smith and well look forward to your presentation. Thank you. How many of you ski . Im in the right place. So forgive me if i have raccoon eyes today. I was in vail for the first time. How many of you are farmers . Lets hear it for the farmers. How many are gardeners . How many eat . Now make a note of it. Theres more people that ski than eat here. Strange place. Were going to talk about genetically engineered foods. Soy, corn, sugar beets, alfalfa and papaya, you can ask me to say that slower during q a. Now the reason they are on our plates is because of a sentence in the fda policy from 1992. And that sentence says that the agency is not aware of any information showing that gmos are significantly different. Therefore, no safety testing is necessary. No labeling is necessary. So Companies Like monsanto, who had previously told us that agent orange and ddt were safe, they can determine on their own and maybe get it right this time, that their u gmo seeds and the crops they produce are safe. Now it turns out that that basic sentence, which is, in fact, the basis for the u. S. Policy overseas, its for the state department, et cetera, et cetera, it was a lie. It was complete fiction. We didnt know about it in 1992, but we found out about it in 1999. Because 44,000 secret internal memos from the fda were forced into the Public Domain from a lawsuit. Not only were they aware u that gmos were significantly different, it was the overwhelming consensus among their own scientists that they were different and of high risk. That they could create allergies, toxins and nutritional problems. They repeatedly urged their superiors to require longterm study. Every time they read the policy, they noticed that more and more of their science was removed from that policy till one person wrote, whats become of this document . Its basically a political document. It doesnt deal with the unpredicted side effects. The person in charge of policy at the fda, the political appointee, was michael taylor. Monsantos former attorney. The fda was given instructions by the white house to promote bio technology. They created a position for him. His policy ignored the Scientific Consensus at the agency and then taylor became monsantos Vice President and chief lobbyist. Now hes back at the fda as the u. S. Food safety czar. Now, is it true that gmos are dangerous . Well, unfortunately, one of the scientists at the fda predicted correctly that, without required safety studies, the companies would not even do the normal studies that they would do because theyre not on the fda list. So we have very few safety studies, but enough for the American Academy of environmental medicine to evaluate and discover that the rats and that the mice that were fed gmos had gastrointestinal disorders, immune system problems, organ damage, accelerated aging, reproductive disorders and dysfunction of regulation of cholesterol and insulin. They said this information is not casual. It is a causal relationship based on standard scientific criteria. And on that basis all doctors should prescribe nongmo diets to every patient. This came out in may 2009. In november of that year, i went to the aam conference with a video camera and started to interview the doctors who had been prescribing nongmo diets. Up until this point i had been representing scientist around the world. Independent scientists who found that the entire approach to genetic engineering of food was completely premature. That we did not yet have enough information about genes, dna, the inversion process, to safely introduce it and expose it to the entire population who eats, which is most of you. And we could not release it with confidence into the environment with the selfpropagating pollution of the gene pool without lasting effects of Global Warming and Nuclear Waste because it becomes a permanent background to the genetic pool. The only thing that lasts longer in genetic pollution is extinction. So i was interviewing these scientists and translating their concerns so that everyone could understand. And anything i wrote in book form was looked at by at least three scientists. And when i spoke, i, you know how scientists speak. They may say, converging lines of evidence suggest that i might be chilly. Nothing is definite. But when i started asking these doctors at this conference, they did not speak like scientists. They said gmos cause inflammation. Gmos cause my allergic patients to have more allergic reactions. One woman said that she prescribes nongmo diets to every patient and everyone gets better. Now, i was skeptical. For years people would come up to me and say, i react to gmos. When i take them out of my diet, i feel better. And my skeptic brain was saying, how do you know . But maybe its true, but probably not. How do you know . I was looking for sort of background scientific trends. But not individuals who would react or not react. But here were doctors, so i was skeptical. I said to this woman, what percentage . She said, 100 get better. Well maybe 98. So i asked her again how many patients do you have that you prescribe nongmo diets to . She figured it out, 5,000 over several years. Can i come to your office and talk to your patients . She said, sure. I went there with a video camera. Somebody was 25 days into a nongmo diet, they had lost ten pounds, their skin condition was clearing up, their Crohns Disease had cleared up, irritable powell in six weeks. Another doctor invited me to their office. So many dramatic improvements. Then i started asking rooms like this how many of you have removed gmos and noticed an improvement in your health. And ive been to 95 lectures in the last two years. And every single time i ask this, the most consistent reaction is gastrointestinal Getting Better. Theres also headaches, brain fog, energy issues, weight loss, allergies, asthma and also behavioral problems with kids, autistic problems. Now, when i ask people, as i did in the doctors office, how did you avoid gmos . Theyre not labeled. And they often say they buy organic or they reduced processed foods. As soon as they buy organic or reduced processed foods because im representing the Scientific Community i throw up my hands and say, too many cofactors. Maybe its the diet. Probably its the diet. But is it the nongmo aspect of the diet. Is it the reduction of the chemicals that are not used in organic . Is it a reduction of the chemicals that are not found in processed foods . But at the same time i started visiting farms and veterinarians who had taken livestock off of gmo corn or soy and put them on nongmo corn or soy and the animals got better in the same problems that the people reported Getting Better from. And there were no cofactors. So the danish pig farmer said in two days his massive uncontrollably diarrhea that hed been facing for two years disappeared in his pigs. They called it diarrhea, in the Chicago Office it was called irritable bowel. You can match them one after the other. Then i talked to veterinarians who dealt with pets. When gmos were introduced gastrointestinal problems and immune problems. They would tell their patients pet owners to take their animals off the gmos and theyd get better. I have videos of pet owners repeating the same thing. Now we see a pattern in the animal feeding study, gastrointestinal a immune, reproductive organ damage et cete cetera. People Getting Better from these same diseases and disorders when they remove gmos from their diet. Pets and livestock get better from these same diseases and disorders when taken off of gmos and these same disorders and diseases are on the rise in the u. S. Population paralleling the increase in the use of gmos and roundup which is the herbicides sprayed on most gmos. Now theres a big variety of disorders and diseases that i just talked about. How is it that gmos might impact weeds. If you look at gmos theres two main traits. The pesticide producing corn and cotton. They produce a dt toxin which breaks open little holes in the stomach walls of insects to kill them. Then theres herbicide tolerant crop s mostly roundup ready whih is designed to absorb roundup and we eat it. If we look at the characteristics of these two toxins, it can explain the variety of these diseases and disorders. So lets start with roundup, about 85 of the cropsous there are sprayed with roundup or hosh ba sides so the crop doesnt die because its genetically engineered with a viral gene thats been inserted. Roundup was the subject of a review paper last year. And the authors linked it just looking at the biochemical properties, to cancer, heart disease, obesity, diabetes, autism, parkinsons, alzheimers, multiple sclerosis, anorexia, aggression and depression. They just came up with another article two weeks ago linking it to gluten sensitivity and celiac disease and death by kidney function. Now the way roundup works is it chelates or binds with nutrients with Trace Minerals and making them unavailable to plants, making them unavailable to us. So thats one of the actions in our body that it can deprive us of important nutrients. Its also a potent antibiotic. How many people here have heard that gut bacteria is important for health . Okay. Its like a gut bacteria revolution in the medical conferences where i give lectures these days. Theres many, many talks on gut bacteria. Gut bacteria is critical for digestion and immunity. Now, roundup is an antibiotic. It kills bacteria. But its selective. It kills the beneficial gut bacteria but not the e. Coli, salmonella and botulism. So it might cause an overgrowth of the negative gut bacteria. And that was confirmed in Laboratory Studies and is linked to possible botulism outbreaks, et cetera. When it messes up the gut bacteria, that can affect the immune system, the digestive system. It can produce something called zonulin which can cause leaky gut, holes in the gut walls. And if you have holes in the gut walls, undigested proteins can get in there causing immune reaction, inflammation, allergies, autoimmune disease, its also linked to cancer, Alzheimers Parkinsons and other diseases. Roundup blocks a certain pathway called the shake and make pathaway. Doesnt matter what the pathway is but monsanto says humans dont have the shake and bake pathway, so it doesnt matter if it gets blocked because it doesnt get blocked in us. But our gut bacteria uses the pathway to produce transcript to fan which is the precursor to serotonin and melatonin. This could explain the mood changes and sleep issues and depression that go away when people get a proper diet and have enough tryptophan. So theres plenty of specific details that roundup does including endocrine disruption which it can messup the reproductive capacity possibly linging to birth defects and it also is linked to cancers. So just roundup in high concentrations in our food can link to all of these different diseases. But it has a strong competitor in the bt toxin. Now, the toxin breaks little holes in the stomach walls of insects to kill them. It wasnt supposed to have any impact on human beings, but a 2012 study found that it did, in fact, break holes in human cells and the conclusion said just like as in insects. Now, if it breaks open little holes in our stomach walls, our intestinal walls, it also can create the leaky gut that we just talked about. Now, not just it doesnt just allow the undigested food proteins to get in there but also the bt toxin and the roundup. So in the blood of Canadian Women that were tested, they found bt toxin and roundup. In fact, in pregnant women it was in 93 of their blood and in 80 of their unborn fetuses. Now, if it gets into their blood, another study with mice showed that it caused damage to the red blood cells. So it might be causing damage to our blood cells. Then when it gets to the unborn fetus theres no well developed blood brain barrier, so it might get into the brain. We have a holepoking toxin that might be in the brain of the offspring of this generation. Now, another i talked to a scientist, several scientists who talk about the bt toxin in the blood saying it probably would wash out very quickly. Now, if it washes out very quickly, why would 93 of the pregnant women in canada have bt toxin in their blood if it washes out quickly . They must have some constant source of bt toxin. The author speculated that the bt toxin probably came from the milk and meat of animals fed bt corn. I think theres another plausible explanation. In a 2004 study they found that part of the roundupready soybean gene, thats the soybeans that can be sprayed with roundup, transferred into the dna of the bacteria living inside our intestines. And that that bacteria was unkillable with roundup. This suggests but doesnt prove that when the gene from genetically engineered crops transfers to gut bacteria, it continues to function producing genetically modified proteins continuously 24 7 inside our digestive tract. Now, they didnt study to see whether eating a corn chip could turn your intestinal floor into living pesticide factories. What do i mean by that . Corn in the United States is produced with bt corn and roundupready corn. Now, the gene that produces the bt toxin is in the corn. What if it transfers to the gut bacteria and continues to produce the bt toxin . That might explain why 93 of the pregnant women tested had bt toxin in their blood. Because they are producing it continuously inside of us. Now, this was never confirmed, this was never tested. Which is a tragedy. Because were feeding it to the entire population. But if you just look at the qualities of the bt toxin and roundup, it could explain all of the different reports were hearing from now thousands of physicians prescribing nongmo diets. Ive actually counted about 5,000, 6,000 in auditoriums where i spoke when i asked for a share of hands as to how many are prescribing nongmo diets. In 2007, 15 of americans said they were avoiding or reducing gmos. Last year 39 . So we are seeing a change and a lot of it is the concern by the medical community. Now, unfortunately, the biotech industry has earned a reputation among observers as being underhanded and, lets say, not so appreciative of the facts when scientists discover problem, according to nature and other publications and interviews ive done with t