Is there anything you want to say . Sometimes it is worth letting you take three minutes to tell us what you want us to hear. Brown i temper myself with commitment. I find myself in this commitment being the only viable alternative for 1992 to restore stability to this country. It is the premise of my case that the governing elite is stuck. It is paralyzed. It cant take the necessary corrective action to restore vitality to this country. The level of despair and suffering and injustice has no historic precedent in history of our nation. Folks in washington are acting as though there are some problems out there that it is pretty much business as usual. Two interpretations of 1992. One is there are some problems that ought to be corrected. There is another view, there is something profoundly wrong with what is going on in the politics and governing processes of this nation. I take the second view. I believe the social fabric is unraveling. That the central state is aggregating to itself authority that would shock and dismay our founders. That Civil Liberties are being eroded. That injustice is the experience of millions and millions of americans in a way that is absolutely intolerable. When i see millions of kids who do not have a mother or father or received tens of millions in poverty and despair. When you see the exile of a whole generation of americans be it a black, latino, white, red, asian, it is not right. Political corruption, mass cynicism at the process, failing competitiveness, a loss of decent high paying jobs is combining to unravel the fabric of this country. The only way we can restore the upward you and this country is to make a challenge to the governing elite and to overcome their resistance. I would say by record i have always been for protecting the underdog, for environmental protection, innovation and creativity of all kinds. My record, i have always been for reform. My record is very clear. I am not a saint. I have been in politics for 20 years. I grew up with a politician at the dinner table every night. It was politics. It was labor leaders, jewish leaders, San Francisco irish politics. That is my upbringing. I also have a moral commitment to justice. That is not the market as closet dictator. That is a community that cares and works for people. This community is not working for all the people that live here. The gap is growing. The chattering classes doing very well. The chattering class consists of people at this table. The media, the lawyers, the politicians and the rest of the people who earn their living by their wits, their mouth, their pencils. There is another group of people who dont have a job or are losing it because they make cars and people down in mexico are really to do it for a fraction of what they will. That is the challenge. I came here in 1976 and i went through harlem and i saw bond outbuildings and it shocked me. Carter went there and made certain statements and nothing happened. Ive been doing this campaign. It is still there. It is still there. And down in congress they are not even willing to vote the Mayors Program of 28 billion to assist the cities of this country. They are not willing to fully fund headstart. The money is there. They came up with over 100 billion for s ls. They came up with a pay raise of 40,000. The money is there. Economists are saying spend more. There is no theoretical or political reason for not having a renaissance and revitalization right here at home. The only thing that prevents it is the gridlock, the inability of the present system to function and respond to this mortal challenge. That is what my campaign is meant to achieve and to respond to. I am here offering people a clear choice. It is a legitimate it is a protest but more than that. It is a choice to restore vitality to a decrepit political process that is discouraging half the American People from participating and my invitation is joined together and in coalition we can restore this country to its original commitment to opportunity and upward growth in each generation. We appreciate that. If everybody who asks questions could identify themselves, that would make it easier for the governor to respond directly. City hall bureau chief. When we start with the tax question. Are you asking new yorkers to commit political suicide with your tax . Are you going to restore deductibility for state and local taxes . Gov. Brown i will save new yorkers more money in my tax proposal than any deductibility offers them. Deductibility will be more than compensated for by the savings on the personal tax that ive proposed in substitution of the mess that exists in the revenue sharing and commitments of the cities that my campaign commits itself to. This is part of an integrated strategy to rebuild the cities and industries of this country. The only study of my tax proposal by the citizens for tax justice is logically flawed. All we are saying sympathy and fairness. I am representing those who have lost all advocacy and im not here to in any way disadvantage those that are suffering the most. I want fairness and simplicity. We have to improve and make it better. David, did you want to complete the question . I dont get it really. New hampshire has no state or local taxes. New york has among the highest in the nation. Does no deductibility we will still be paying those taxes. Gov. Brown but you will save more by broadening the base and lowering the rate. New hampshire still wont have local and state taxes and we will be paying them and wont be able to deduct them. Gov. Brown yeah, but wait a minute. What youre saying here is you need a federal tax. That makes you feel better if you have a high federal tax against which to deduct. Instead of paying it 100 , sure. Governor brown but wait a minute. I just want to capture this here. If you have 100 and you can somehow offset it with estate tax, what is the difference if you pay the state tax and you have a federal tax to offset against it . You are happy because there is a burden on you that you can lighten by the payment of your state taxes. If the burden is not there in the first place you are in the same position. The reduction of federal tax that im proposing will put you in a better position than you are today. With a larger federal tax and the deduction that you then try to cushion it with. The local and state tax will be there no matter what. Mr. Brown but if you are lowering your federal taxi will save enough money that you will come out ahead when you net out the loss and adaptability. The increased savings. The other point of this, youre getting hung up on very small issues. This country is losing its capacity to save and invest. Every Economist Says we need to find the savings and investment. They say that the business tax im proposing will be the most efficient collector of revenue. It will be progressive. If we have to cover the first 15,000 in income we can do that with a slight adjustment so that if you make only 15,000 you wont have to pay any tax. This is a large collector of revenue. That is why some people like the added tax. The flat tax is my own idea and i combined them because for most people the payroll tax is the most progressive. You cannot deduct state tax against your Social Security and medicare tax and for most of the people in the world that is the biggest tax burden. It is only the high income people that get the advantages you are talking about. For the person making 25,000, the payroll tax is the big not that he has to cover, and i am offering a rent deduction for the first time. A deduction for charity, for mortgage interest and moreover this is a concept that is open to improvement. I have seen studies and we can make them available to you, whereas if you move up by a very small amount you can have enough money to rebate to low income people making 15,000 or less and cover them from any burden that they might incur. Joe nicholson, medical science editor. I am going back to a question that someone talked about sunday. We had an extraordinary coincidence in the newsroom yesterday. My colleague on the right and another each did separate interviews with two people who did not know each other. Both were men of stature and High Integrity and both told similar stories. I interviewed kurt wolf, news director of channel 11 and a host on channel 31 and 13 at times. He told me he had seen you take a couple of puffs on a marijuana cigarette at a private party some years ago. Fred dickers source told him the same thing. Mr. Wolf did a taperecorded interview i have here. My question would be, can you tell us, have you ever tried smoking a marijuana cigarette . Mr. Brown no. Ok, that is your answer. Show it to me. Here it is. Mr. Brown who is the individual . This is kurt wolf. He answered the question. Lets not printed out for. Over. s not play it mr. Brown i dont know that individual. [indiscernible] you say you have never taken a puff of marijuana cigarette in your life . Mr. Brown i dont recognize that name. If you had more elaboration i wanted to go back to the meeting we just came from with Jewish Community relations council. The other people wont know that during that meeting there was an interruption there was a lot of back and forth between that. I would like to ask you having had a chance to think about what happened there, what does that meeting tell us and you think it was a mistake to have chosen reverend jackson as your running mate . Mr. Brown it is not a mistake and i hope it is not too late to heal the divisions and animosity between the black in the white community. The Jewish Community and the black community. We are a country that in certain respects i consider a very profound crisis. I am running to create the stability and justice that will allow america to be what its forebears intended. Because of the feeling that jackson is antisemitic. I do not believe he is. I believe the blacks among other groups in society are seeing their youth destroyed. The highest cause of death among black kids under fouryearsold it is aids. [indiscernible] that you are theologically advocating antisemitism in the black community. You spoke of a particular rift. You make it sound like it is merely a matter of poverty. That poverty generates antisocial behavior, when we know many people who are poor are not antisocial. You sound like an apologist at times advocating antisocial behavior. Mr. Brown keeping this country in the failed condition. The country is the cannot also. Mr. Brown do not give me that blame america stuff the republicans use at their convention. I heard jean kirkpatrick. That language just mirrors people are not responsible for their own behavior . You not response before your own behavior . Mr. Brown i believe in accordance with the tradition i was brought up at the age of seven we reach the age of reason and are capable of sinful behavior. I very much believe in personal responsibility. I also understand as a student of history and someone was going on around the world that if you go to a poor nation like india and the punjabi you find the violence because of caste and poverty. You walk in these communities. Ive stayed at a homeless shelter in the last two weeks where there were women and their kids living in broom closets. This is america and these people feel alienated. You that they do. And are they better . You bet they are. I am committed to this country, to make it strong and harmonious. That will never happen on the path we are going on. I was trying to ask a specific i do not want to debate with you. Mr. Brown i think he is raising a good question. I was try to ask a specific question. You said there was particular rift between the black and Jewish Community. And i wondered what you thought was the cause of the particular rift between the black and Jewish Community. Why would black resentment focus itself against jews. You acknowledge there is a phenomenon. Mr. Brown in los angeles, you have against korean grocers. Yeah, we do. Mr. Brown in these poor countries where people start fighting each other. Anytime you have people who are feeling stressed they look for a scapegoat and they find someone who was on the outgroup who has a different language a different skin color, a different religious tradition and they identify that as the source of their problems. It has nothing to do with if this person is jewish or catholic or that person is a mexicanamerican. It is just the human nature of having a solidarity with ones own group and attributing evil to the outside group. That is being exacerbated in this country. It is not a particular characteristic of one group over another. That is the truth of the matter. It is just the normal business and the level of despair is out there. I mean, i have sat on Radio Stations. I was on a black Radio Station in chicago and the asked do you support a congressman and i said of course not and they looked at me like you dont. And i saw the gap in interpretation. Is what really concerns me and i think the answers not to excuse antisocial behavior. I embarked upon an antichrome anticrime program. The answer is not to excuse antisocial behavior. I embarked upon a prison Building Program second to none. We doubled the number people convicted of felonies from 18,000 to 19,000. My record on crime is tough. I also knowledge that you need a community where everyone has an opportunity. When you see mothers with no husband and kids living in a broom closet it is a formula for explosion and that is happening not to just a few but to millions. They see on the one hand the affluence and of the other hand utterly to short conditions. The spread of aids, the lack of jobs. The disempowerment of black manhood, that is expose of. My anticrime program is full employment and a living wage. There will still be people who are criminal who will do terrible things and they should be punished. Im not saying you end evil. Certainly my background in belief in original sin and human nature as a constant. Does not change that. Social conditions exacerbate things. The level of murder in this country was 300 now it is Something Like 2000 year. I believe it is social conditions and the priority which bush and the congress are still talking about is not acknowledging the extent of the alienation. I could have told you this would happen two months ago and i knew this would happen. I knew it was going to be a division. But my campaign is about truth. I will tell the truth no matter what happens because i think this country is at risk unless somebody has the guts to stand up and say the emperor has no clothes. We are not going to make it out. This concept of a living family wage, to what extent is it different from the welfare system which does provide a living family wage . Of you and advocate expanding the welfare system if it is more of a living wage and of so, where do you get the money . Mr. Brown im an advocate for having a president in Political Party it that every american has the right to life, liberty, pursuit of their own happiness, which requires a level of economic security. Now how we attain that . By cutting the military budget, converting our best research and technology and investment to a civilization civilian revitalization. All the different ways we can do that, it can also take the form of earned income credit, direct payment. It can take the form of Public Service jobs, civilian conservation corps. A whole variety of ways that everybody can have an opportunity. All im saying is the reigning doctrine more money in welfare youre saying. Mr. Brown no. Welfare is pathology continuing to exist. Raise elite prosper and their pay. And we are sitting around in rooms like this and talk about people are dying and nobody is doing a darn thing about it. We have the money and the time in a variety of ways to make this country available to all its citizens. And part of that is yes, im against the fast track to mexico. I want a civilian conservation corps to enroll hundreds of thousands of young people. I want a Training Program but all the lists people give you are fine, but we have to make the commitment and acknowledgement that we are not living up to our social responsibility and that is killing the country and ultimately it will undermine everything we stand for as americans. I want to call on another member sitting around this boardroom. Jack newfield . Jack i heard what you said about black jewish tensions coming out of despair and poverty but how do you explain the fact that the most vocal antisemites in the country are part of the elite . Congressman savage, minister farrakhan. Professor jeffries. Isnt it something that has nothing to do with poverty and despair . Mr. Brown they exploit it. When conditions continue with no hope you are always going to be finding people who emerge to press the hot button. What im saying is the answer to the rise of antisemitism, the rise of hate crimes, homophobic attacks, is to create a stability based on opportunity that we do not have available to all americans. Has your potential Vice President , jesse jackson, told you he regrets his involvement with Louis Farrakhan . I mean, given your comment ms. Around you heard his, yesterday that he said about new york city. Brown you heard his comment yesterday that he made about new york city. He does not have an alliance as far as i know. I reject mr. Farrakhan and anything like that and i believe if my Campaign Offers the opportunity to make the shift to domestic revitalization that in its absence will not occur and the erosion will continue. I do not see anything in clinton or bush that acknowledges the depth of despair. That is what people have to get through their head. The hatred and the animosity building up amongst people who see no way out is threatening the foundation. We have the money, we have the genius that we can not create a welfare state but create an opportunity through jobs through investment here and recognizing the threat is not a Russian Missile but the social disintegration that comes from despair and lack of income and jobs. Amy if i could just get back to the even the people that have been your most vocal supporters sort of say you are flying by the seat of your pants. In order to silence them, why have you not ordered someone from your campaign to crunch the numbers . Mr. Brown we have. It works out it is amazing. There are hundreds of billions of dollars in tax loopholes and tax breaks. That is what is holding the economy back. This is a program which everybody talks about. Lets stimulate and strengthened the economy. The economy is stagnant. This is a program to lower